Your smartphone is not a privacy concern because it is what it is and you know exactly what it's doing it's a connecting device, you can throw it away, leave it home etc, but can you do the same with your car when its whole purpose is something else?
Been in your Google settings lately? I haven't been in a few in a few months, but went in yesterday & there's a scary amount of new bullshit collecting data. WTF is "Google passes"? There's a shit-ton more settings that all collect & share your info & data.
It's been intentional. The real problem and cause is how many AMERICAN CITIZENS that simply do not care about serious things. This is a major issue in Europe, where they vote for it to be guarded, and they create the GDPR to defend its citizens. Americans have no idea, because they're too busy figuring out other basic things in 2023.
If you live in modern society, it's going to happen. Most of the data collection is valid, but there will be bad actors as well. You could move to North Korea and live without modern technology to avoid this, if you like.
I recently sold my 1969 Chevelle wagon. Before that, my '68 Camaro, before it was stolen i was running into problems finding parts. The power steering bracket was impossible to find. New or used. My uncle ended up welding one for me from scratch. I was so mad when the thief ended up with my hard to get part. But then again, they probably put on headers, which would have eliminated the power steering, which breaks my heart even more thinking that bracket ended up in a trash heap. Sorry i went off topic. All this talk of old cars, i do miss them terribly, ...the sound, the feel, the simplicity, the smell,( lol). but i don't miss the long braking distance.
I have 2 vehicles pre 2015. I am still wondering what we will do when these vehicles are toast. I want a basic vehicle like the Toyota IMVO but we can't buy simple A-to-B vehicles in the first world due to "economic issues." How can we boycott cars? The data vampires know this..
Ahhh yesss, that is why my car is over 30 years old. I keep it tuned up, with good tires, no car payment, no privacy or hack issues. Thank you, Father Yah!👏
Old school 100% ! Since 2008 cars have been spying. I left the automotive world in 2013. Way too much bs was coming out I wanted no part of. I try to tell everyone to buy older that 2007. Nobody listens. Gotta keep up with the world.
My car's not *that* old, but it's 2001. Old enough that it has a throttle cable (which is honestly a requirement for me to actually be able to comfortably drive it), and does not have the ability to connect my phone to it
I’m sure there’s something buried in the fine print of your contract that you sign during the purchase , they’re very smart about these disclosures things, if it’s not disclosed then you probably could sue for invasion of privacy
When you buy the product you agree to the terms and conditions. If you read the EULA fire every app or web page you wanted to use. You would never access the internet.
For some people, personal privacy is not an issue. Health and Fitness Apps know everything about users. I found out they were tracking my steps when my phone was turned off. These apps got the number of steps wrong sometimes. That was strange. I Deleted both.
I bought a new 2023 Rav4 this year. When I picked it up at the dealership, the salesman was surprised when I wouldn't download the Toyota app. Every time I get into my car, the screen says, "user profile not loaded." I just clear it and continue on as a guest in my own car. 4 wheels and an engine is all I need.
This is also a BIG issue with car rentals. People connect their phones, then return the car without thinking about it, never realizing that the next renter might gain access to everything the car collected from the phone (texts, contacts, calls, etc.).
@@ganymeade5151Privacy from who, marketers. The State of California will soon be charging mileage tax, VMT. How do you think that is going to happen. Utah and Oregon are considering as well. Privacy, Right! Lol.
These manufactures should have a fat class action lawsuit. Because many top brands dumped tons of money into propaganda saying why the right to repair needs to be removed from repairing your own vehicle or shops. Their claim in court was for your privacy/security of your personal information.... And then what do these parasites do.... Here ya go! Them spying on you and invading our privacy, stealing/selling your personal data.
DONT FORGET JUST HAVING YOUR CELL PHONE ON YOU IT RECORDS EVERYTHING YOU DO WALKING,DRIVING,SITTING ON YOUR TOILET,TAKING A SHOWER,WHAT KINDS OF FOODS YOU BUY,WHAT YOU SAY IN FRONT OF YOUR PHONE EVERY SINGLE THING YOU DO OR SAY IS RECORDED ON YOUR PHONE.
Even when your phone is turned off, Fitness apps can record the number of your steps and where you go. The one I used did not record the right amount of steps. That was strange; so I Deleted it.
This is such an important privacy topic today and needs to be talked about! The general population, I believe, is so obsessed with "apps" because they provide that instant gratification due to the sense of control, power and to some extent, importance (because they're doing something or making something happen). The natural extension of the "app" is to what we do everyday; drive. I've often told people, I don't want to drive a laptop or a phone and have never connected one to any vehicle I've owned. Integrated head or infotainment units get replaced and antennas get disconnected (hard wired music is all I need) and I'll use stand alone (unregistered) GPS units (only if I don't know where I'm going). Even these steps likely don't stop all tracking but it's a start...Thanks Naomi; you've got one of the best channels on YT!
Yes! Your phone conversations over Bluetooth in your car are VERY LOUD outside of your car, too! Might as well be using a megaphone for those "private" conversations!
Right, I hadn't realized how loud they were until the last couple of years. Were they always like that? You can even hear people's Google Maps instructions.
Make sure your phone's bluetooth is off when riding with someone. Their car will search for any signal to link to. The dumbest thing I hear is "well I don't have anything to hide, let them spy". 🤦🏻♀🤦🏻♀
Thats not good enough. How do we even know the "disconnect" or "turn off" button we see on our phones really logically turn these things off? I wouldnt be surprised if all the buttons in the settings of these iphones/andriod google phones are all 98 percent fake buttons that dont actually do anything. This is y right to repair is important. So we can easily open our paid for hardware and physicall disconnect the adpaters like wifi, bluetooth and etc.
@@NO-FILTER-EXPERT yeah exactly, its like... when you turn the function off you are disabled from using the function but the background functioning remains active just as if you had it turned on
Next video: Anti-virus software scans your files and gets a copy of every file scanned. Think about it. Scammers and hackers are computer/tech savvy. The only way they get personal information from you is by selling [spyware] products to consumers.
I had a 2020 Grand Cherokee stolen from in front of my home 2 years ago. With all this terrific tracking and data collection technology, you’d think that the vehicle could be located. I logged into my “Guardian” tracker within 20 minutes of its disappearance and it had already been disabled. The police absolutely did nothing, not even coming over at all. The insurance company mailed a me check and I mailed back both key fobs and title. It’s unbelievable that a 3 ton vehicle can evaporate like a fart in the wind, never to be seen again. I firmly believe that there are people somewhere on this planet aside from the thieves, who know exactly where that Jeep is and who now possesses it, whether it’s in North America or Africa, including camera feeds.
I can guarantee a member of the oppressed used parts for theirs they A. probably wrecked sliding around the city. .B they wrecked running from someone. C. Blew up banging off limiter doing donuts and burnouts. I’ve seen it a lot in Philly. They steal the vehicle to commit crimes or just part it out on the street. Take what they need an leave the rest to the other volunteers with similar Mopar vehicles. Not just Cherokee. I bet there is a Chrysler 200/300 somewhere with your engine in it and probably the seats. The diff is probably in a trackhawk or challenger someone blew up doing burnouts.
I'm assuming that your stolen Jeep had push button start??? Anything with that feature is easy to steal. We have a Jeep Cherokee and we've never had it get stolen. My advice is to cover up the VIN code in the driver's side window in the dashboard. Also cover up the one in the driver's door. We cover both VIN numbers with cardboard and have never had a problem. Thieves can literally generate a throw away fob to disable the security system with nothing more than the car's VIn numbers. It takes about 5 minutes to do it, especially when the vehicle has push button start feature.
Well done! As a 20 year vet of the automotive tech industry working with every OEM and the majority of dealers in the US. Your videos is a well needed wakeup call. I just gave an interview this summer and the hook was "Does my car know how much weight I gained during COVID?" The short answer is yes....the how and why would blow your mind!
thx for lending your opinion and sharing your genuine and ptolly authentic view from the standpoint of an industry experienced professional. Respect + thx.PS scary how 99% of cars don't have security partitioning so once your on the BUS you have FULL admin access to every function and sensor on that cars featureset and sensor suite, potential steering but def your braking and accelerator, etc. this means their has definitely been research into simply puttting a cd into your car could feed malware to your cars bus to FLOOR the gas but appear as a normal audio disc. NOW we well know that there have been massive security vulns baked right into the early bluetooth stack standards. eg WPS req'd for WIFI certification yet crackable by any kid or even other apps eg even other vehicles..
For a deeper perspective on this excellent presentation, I recommend reading, 1. "Three felonies a day" by Harvey Silvergate, 2. "Confessions of an economic hitman" by Perkins, 3. "The Master Switch" By Tim Wu. The gameboard has been set up this way for a reason. Your worst enemy is wrapped in a patriotic flag, has endless funding, runs the military, police, prisons, and judiciary, and can not be "voted out" off office. Information (even planted false information) is there most powerful weapon.
Yes agreed. Such theories are seen as paranoia but is in fact waking up and alerting people to what was perhaps a bit paranoid is now the awful truth. The world has changed but many people haven’t moved with the awful changes that have been introduced.
If I wasn't clear enough on that post they looked at the past week & months, & put it an hour after his quitting time & they found exactly where he normal was at that time which for most people is where they're living at. They can do this for ANYBODY.
I consider myself more than knowledgeable about privacy and Internet Security, but this video has blown my mind. I always knew that there was something that could be collected from a vehicle but that was me thinking in case of an accident some investigating team would have come and physically query the vehicle on behalf of an insurance company. But after watching this video I am more than worried that data is being siphoned away without any notice to myself or my wife. I just purchase a new vehicle with all the bells and whistles for my wife and this video makes me not even want to get anywhere near it.😮
Yeah I think this vudeo took a lot of us by surprise, ha. I think basically a car without a computer on board - or rather possibility to have gps and computer on board not just buying the cheaper option of a car model that is missing the feature -- should be fine.
Don't connect your phone or use any of the apps available for it. A friend who's an FBI agent told me that. Don't use on star, etc. There's really no reason to have all those things anyway. It's not like you're ever far from a city or people, unless you drive to Vegas... Wait, yeah, even then you're never far from any place. Why do we need on star? It still won't stop a car jacker, or alert you that someone is following you. Those things will depend on his old fashioned common sense and keeping aware. Nothing is fool proof, but staying alert is key to most situations. In my opinion, all those extra doodads can reduce your awareness to your surroundings since you're relying on that crap to keep you safe. I'm just saying.
There is an object in all vehicles dating back to 90s maybe earlier known as the black box. It collects data just before an accident. Speed g forces when brakes are applied if at all lights when the airbags deploy when the car finally comes to a stop etc. whenever the Insurance adjuster looks at the vehicle for damage. They also collect the data from the black box.
@@wrenchaholic_ the black box is the least of your worries because it is pulled for investigations only during an accident, defect etc. Some manufacturers don't let insurance companies have it even like with Tesla. Really it is passive collection like OnStar, app services, phone services etc that is more concerning. Atleast with a phone you have more control where the device let's you disable permissions but it is usually not the case with the car. Imo, I like to use a spare phone or preloaded USB for music. You can also install a tablet center console to your car which you can then control permissions on Android. Ofc it is more work than the standard equipment and in the future at 2026 the cars are required to have remote kill switches, so it might even be illegal if you take out the center console and it messes with the switch.
Thanks, Naomi for yet another eye opener about our privacy's slipping away with new tech. I look forward to future videos on ways to stay private- with my phones and vehicles- enjoying them in privacy.
Most of these are theoretical issues. Most cars are not recording your audio or sending you data to the cloud. The amount of wireless data involved would be prohibitively expensive. Also, the moment you buy a car, the car companies already know pretty much everything about you, like your address, where you work, your income, etc. There's not much incentive to spend lots of money to track you going to work, the grocery store, movies, etc. Aside from legal issues, most of the data will be not useful from a marketing perspective.
@@mementomori29231I have to agree with this.... to a point. I think the key aspect to this is the associated Car apps. You're right, they are likely not sending video/audio data (most of them), as that would be alot of data, but the tracking and usage info im sure is sent.. but through your phone.. that way the User is "paying" for the data transmission, probably without knowing it. Most of that data they dont need instantly. So they could also follow the setting to 'wait till its on Wifi' that way the transmission speed is less noticeable.
This reminds me of the news report I was reading some years ago. It was about a guy who caught his smart TV collecting data from his private network, and whatever was connected to that network off into the ether. Even when the TV was off, and even when he opted out of that service. For this reason, none of my smart TVs are connected to the internet, and their wifi are turned off. It also stopped me from getting a Ring doorbell camera, an Alexa, and even an Xbox 1. My car isn't new enough to have any of the features described here, and the Bluetooth is all but useless since I can't stream music to the radio, so I've never connected to it. My mobile device provides all of the data they're gong to get from me.
Tesla is a master at collecting and storing your data and personal info through their cars. They claim they do it anonymously, but they know which car it came from and they know who owns the car. So their anonymous claim is 100% BS.
@@GladeSwope Yeah, he considers WeChat to be Kickass and wants Twitter/X to go that way also. An app for everything. I mean, what could go wrong right?...
Tesla records everything you do from the car. Some of it can be obtained if you have a subpoena for it. And of course, there are the non-secret video recordings.
If you don't know about him, look up the work of Noam CHOMSKI. Paranoia is justified in this Big Brother world. And then there's Edward Snowden, of course.
As a used car dealer, let me reassure you, 99% of you don’t erase your personal data from your car when you sell it. And we, as used dealers, see everything.
Indeed yes. My used car, I knew exactly where previous owner lived, and some of the favourite places. That was without even looking for it (just saw it when I wanted to put my places in there).
@@sl4983it’s never totally gown because of the hard drive in the vehicle. There is a factory reset just like a phone that will clear all data but it’s still on the hard drive where ever that may be.
When location services came out I was constantly telling people that even primitive cell phones could be tracked by anyone who really wanted to as long as you're in range of more than one cell tower. Nothing on your phone is private either.
@@geraldscott4302yea but wont function after so many years ur fone wont work in more and more areas when cell fone companies update their signals ur old fone wont work
@@LuckyCharms777 actually your phone will listen to you whether you're on a call or not. Do an experiment: talk with someone about something specific you didn't ever buy - some brand of shoe or something. Have your phone around. Afterwards go to your computer and just browse the news and pay attention to the ads you get: I bet you will get a lot of ads for the shoes you just talked about...
Technology is so scary. I admit, I do like having a phone at my disposal in case I need one BUT before mobile phones we managed to get by just fine. We would be so much better off if we could just go back to the “old days and the old ways”.
No, we’re free. You just have to protect your rights and possibly not buy a car that you’re paying somebody to take your rights away from you. You have the legal right to privacy. You don’t have to give it up. That’s a choice making
Anyone remember the 2009 cash for clunkers program that eliminated all the low tech cars , I’m sure this was by design to usher in the beginning of the higher tech vehicles. Technology is like an addiction,the consumer demands the latest and greatest but don’t realize all the privacy they give up , even if you tell people, especially the younger generation they still don’t get it , they think your nuts
Could be. The vehicles were destroyed on purpose. Fixable vehicles. It created a used car parts shortage. Stinking O but head President then is the puppet master even now.
Thank you ❤ thank you for saying this! When that happened, this was my very 1st concern. I have older cars & I REFUSE to buy anything newer than 2006, I add EVERYTHING aftermarket. The last GREAT year for a lot of manufacturers. The next best of the newer class after the Clunkers program is 2015-16. Then the surveillance ramped up tremendously for the last dying actions of the Obama Administration.
@@RtistiqSkubie , cash for clunkers came right when vehicle technology took a step up , also I’ve seen stories that in 10 years or less you won’t be able to insure lower technology cars
It's amazing how people will fall in line when they'll get free stuff.... Will happen with the chip in your skin... If you want Universal Basic Income you'll need the chip... And people will line up
@@Mikey196601 bruh that should be illegal as hell & definitely taken to the Supreme Court. The amount of spying technology in your vehicle has nothing to do with it your older model operates.
This is part of the reason I'll probably never own an electric car. Thank you for talking about this Naomi! You wouldn't sell someone a phone without wiping it. A car should be no different. My car is over a decade old. So not too worried about my CD player recording conversations. 😂 I prefer un-smart cars.
smart is synonymous with "spying device" waiting for the exact time when you're a threat to an elite's interest - at which time "enemy of the state" occurs.
It is not just electric cars, most cars are doing it. Have you noticed the new infotainment systems no longer have satnav included to make you plug your phone in?
Another good reason to have an old car! Ours is 2004 and does not have anything digital or any way to connect your phone. No camera. No GPS. (Not to mention no car payments and really inexpensive car insurance.) I'm not paranoid about it, but I still don't like anyone having access to stuff that's none of their business.
One may say; "Thankfully I have a vehicle that can't collect, or send data", but some information is still collected, even with a "dumb" car. I remember reading an article in the early 2000's about an accident regarding a corvette involved in the crash. The driver was almost cleared of the charges, that is until an officer investigating the crash learned about the cars "black box" which set the precedent in investigations moving forward. This "black box" contained just enough data to prove that he was speeding right before the crash.... The crazy thing is this "black box" was meant to be a diagnostic tool for the airbag system. All cars have this "black box" nowadays, if it has airbags, ABS, stability control, or any driver aid, telemetry data is collected, and stored in those little computers in various places inside of the car
@@happydog2191 This is true, but once your car is in the possession of law enforcement, they can pretty much do whatever they want. If you total your car, and it gets towed the insurance company pretty much owns your car, and if your car is part of an investigation, and in law enforcement's possession, they can have their way with your car, and it's data
@@happydog2191 unfortunately, you'd have to look for an 80's and older vehicle. I suppose one could remove ABS, and airbag system, but there would be complications going that route, especially newer vehicles lol
It is especially bad when you consider that the customer is paying for the cameras, microphones, etc. when they add on blindspot monitoring, lane change warning, etc. And then the car manufacturer makes even more money when they sell not only your data, but the video and other data of the roadway and surroundings that your car collects while you're driving.
I bought my vehicle new in 1996. If the cassette deck transmits information, so be it. I have no cellular phone anyway. Where I live, they are worthless. I found the vehicle is EMP proof, though that is not why I bought it. It was a Ln experiment the Canadian and American Navy did in 1996. I got curious and went to visit one at a showroom. I found it to be so attractive that I went home with it. She is still with me today. Everything is manual on it, including lights, transmission, and brakes. She is such beautiful spartan perfection.
Hi Naomi , I live in a 23 year old motorhome/rv with a non bluetooth radio that only plays out of the left speaker . For once in my life I am more than happy with my choice . Am really looking forward to this series and I twigged on to this subject some years ago with new trucks/hgv/lorries . I noticed that as I was a long distance driver these new trucks would be waking up , usually late at night , and I guessed they were sending info about the truck back to the manufacturer. I never in the world thought they could be doing all this too . Will be keeping a close eye on your next vids xx .
@@paulhare662 My radio does not have any wings , left or right . But I do like things that just work and work how they are supposed to . 😉 Peace brother , I wish you well on your way .
With all respect, I doubt that anyone would be interested in your data anyway. That's unless you're operating a meth cooking lab in there or something🙂
@@ButchNackley I'm pretty sure that if the car doesn't have cameras, GPS, and internet connection he's gonna be fine. They can only track what they have sensors for
@@ButchNackley Some luxury brands probably did already, but the regular cars didn't, at least not en masse. You could get a rear view camera and a built-in GPS in some top of the line trims, but not the internet connection. Apple Car Play and Android Auto weren't a thing either
@@cmertonthat all depends upon standards - which we absolutely have the power to change. If there is interest and knowledge, we begin to be able to take a stand. All of it is kept obscure for this purpose.
@@cmertonNo the government has the right to block things for the safety of their citizens, don't let them get away with being ignorant and acting dumb because they like that they can use your information too. Their job is to crack rules on everything, including what kinda food is okay to consume, to how many hours and days off a company has to pay its employees, and all the way to privacy or safety issues with cars and other electrics.
Naomi - thanks for posting this information. This kind of data collection and spying on drivers is crazy. I didn't have any idea it was going on. It makes me want to trade my 2021 Toyota in for a 1966 diesel truck.
This is the second time I watch this video.. it's amazing how much worse this is than what I had picked up on from last time. needless to say, i'm sharing the video and have been speaking to family and friends. Thank you for all your amazing work!!
@@gregorylyon1004 i live in Northern Virginia. The car was purchased in 66 by my Father brand new. I spent a LOT of time welding plates in the trunk and on the body for the rust. Original engine, refurbished, didn't need a rebuild. Problems with the outer frame, small repairs because as a convertible it has an inner and outer frame. The inner frame is solid. It was worth every penny.
Absolutely true 👍 Cars have built-in listening stuff... Particularly electric cars 🚗.... The same when you say something inside your home like Google or Siri and others they harvest your information and other data and will share to others.
As all previous NBTV videos: amazing, super scary and, at the end, it leaves a smile on your face. I can't wait for the 2nd part. PS: We have to stop using the "smart-" prefix and start using the "spy-" one instead: spy-TV, spy-phone, spy-car, spy-watch ... and so on.
@@NaomiBrockwellTV Spy-car .... Aston Martin DB5? As well as all the other spy quipment. I would prefer surveillance phone etc. Or we could use Rob Braxman's Zuck or Zucking phone, car etc. As in being Zuckerberged or Zucking = Sucking data. Maybe we should find another word due to it's triple entendre. Edit: How about Spook cars, phones? Keeping on the spying theme.
I have seen BlackHat videos of a guy who was able to connect to his car's computer system by accessing his cars tire pressure sensor thru a radio and was able to control features in another nearby car like turning on windshield wipers and turn signals.
Recently my windshield fluid was low and I saw the light go on in the car, then I got an email notification saying my windshield fluid was low… this is my first time owning a new car so it definitely made me feel weird that my car has my email address.
Just now running Inssider, I can see an Audi with a wifi hotspot on. As for connecting your phone to a rental car or van, don't do it, it's a very bad thing as they download a copy of all your contacts off your phone onto the vehicle. I had 6 rentals through my work and 3 had multiple people's contact details stored on the inboard computer, one had too many so I had to delete all of them in the end due to the constant error messages popping up everytime I started the van. Also use a faraday holder for your keyfob, so easy to steal the connection between the key and car, in a matter of seconds a car can be stolen. It's becoming more and more of a problem worldwide. The days of hotwiring are long gone now.
Every time I see a video like this, I feel even MORE thankful that all three of my cars are from the 90s. Happily giving the finger to the car-spies since 1991, baby! lol
Naomi, I'm a 71 year old anti-government old codger. I recently came across your channel and would like to commend you on it, your altruism, social conscience and delivery. I knew all this stuff was going on, but not the science behind it. Thank you for teaching an old dog new tricks!
This is probably new information to many, but the movie 2001 space odyssey did clearly show the two astronauts who went to the garage to privately talk in their pod car, only to discover later that the computer would still know what was said
@@headpump yes, I don't recall if the video mentioned it, but the USA automobile of about two model years from now, is required to visually study your driving behavior and then, if it can see a problem, the car will take over, park itself while calling the police to provide assisting help ... But on the other hand, drunk driving is then a non issue with designated AI driver care to transport you home safely ... The trick is don't drive, and don't talk about your business while the driver is listening
While I'm sensitive to personal data issues (I'm here, for once) a killing feature of connecting your car to your phone (the car's app on it) is that you can have info on its position. A very little thing, I know. Plus other features, but this is for me one the most important. BTW, a suggestion, if possible, please give us alternatives to get the features we leave on the table once we renounce to these data sinks. Offering solutions would make (IMHO) for a much better message than just making once realize the risks.
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They should encrypt the data with your public key so that only you can read it. It's not rocket cience.
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Excellent video!!!! More need to know about this! Godbless you for speaking out on this. We need more people like you to talk about these subjects, that aren’t typically talked about.
It would be helpful to have a list of a precise year each car manufacturer's make and model began spying on customers so that customers can make an educated decision when purchasing a used vehicle. Or a chart for each make and model by year. I suppose Privacy4Cars could easily do this, but instead they want you to submit your vehicle's VIN to inform you what's what.
I’ve been told by an engineer involved in this that it started with the year 2000 models and it included your vin badge by your dash. So it’s deeper (nefarious) than expected.
Problem is that even after people become aware of this, they still don't care. They might act outraged for a few minutes, but the convenience of connecting their phone to their car will quell that outrage within a couple days (if not a couple hours). The reality is, there's probably no stopping this. It's to the government's advantage for this tech to exist, too, so they won't pass any laws that protect consumers. Anyone who wants a car that doesn't violate their privacy is pretty much consigned to driving vehicles from last century.
The issue is, the APIs used by phones and cars are "black boxes," closed source, so we have no idea the full extent of the data that's being harvested. Most alarming, to me anyway, is the point you made about how people are fully compliant, and complacent, about the epidemic of data collection in all aspects of their lives, and so even educating them about their cars collecting and sharing data, they're reaction is, "yeah, so? I love my android carplay! I love car tech!"
There is a reason why I drive a old (considered and antique it is so old) vehicle! This video breaks it down from A-Z! I saw this coming when OBD II was incorperated into a vehicles computer system. I knew it was just the beginning of what the future would hold.
The car reports EVERYTHING back. It's all ready for Pay Per Mile to be introduced next after we have been scammed over 20MPH limits as people don't want to take responsibility for their own actions and not play chicken.
I don't know why people are surprised, how many on tube send information to google, that would be everyone, unless you have a degoogled phone, they've been doing data collection for decades and people don't care so when you have Android car infotainment systems, guess where it's going, luckily 2 of my cars can't connect to the internet 1994 and 2007
Dont forget you can stop the permissions of these car apps on your phone, choose the ones you dont want it to access like photos etc, if it helps who knows but worth doing
I have a Mirage which the only high tech thing it has is Apple CarPlay & Android Auto which I never connected because I was concerned about this exact issue. Thank you for bringing it to light!
I hope that a future part of the series will tell us that there are still new cars being created that have these features removed. Otherwise, we'll all be hunting the 2nd hand market for used cars (and depending on the demand... shooting up the prices). I don't even like those automatic door opening ones because when it breaks it is more expensive to fix & causes more problems when broken.
One of the things I really don't like is an electric parking brake. Being in the UK most of the vehicles are manual so you don't have a parking pawl like automatics have, I hired cars with one and with the delay of operation it is hard to tell it worked. A couple of time the car rolled a few inches before it came on.
They tune in on your cellular device and through your home and work computer systems...not just your car. And cameras are watching your every move...the Ring camera and Alexa are spying on everything in its sight and recording every sound.
This is the first video I've seen on your channel. I almost never comment on videos (oh and I think this is on my wife's account somehow) but I gotta say you've done a magnificent job!!! And also this makes me love driving my 1969 Chevelle even more!!! And yes that's my daily driver.
Thanks for getting the message out there! It's shocking how little information is shared with end users. Eg a rental car had all of the previous renter's personal information, including their home address, call list and stuff! When I use a rental car, I make sure I reset all personal information before and after I use it, disable whatever telematics I can, and use my own USB charger or wireless charging instead of the built in USB ports. When pairing bluetooth, I deny access to my contacts and call list. Can't save myself from eavesdropping mics in the car and telematics though.
problem is, it's companies doing rthe spying and working with the gov to create servers for that data, government needs to be the ones doing it if they want our forensic data, not companies
I have seen a crime video where the criminal turned off his phone and the police got a warrant to collect the cars computer and was able to track his route. That was hella dystopian to me, Makes me never want a newer car.
I build this stuff for a living and this video is more detailed than I even knew but, in the USA there are no laws yet so they are for sure grabbing as much as they can before that happens. Also, the biggest offenders rite now are Tesla then Nissan! GM recently got caught selling the data to Lexus Nexus and is in court over it.
No matter how hard we may try surveillance is everywhere such as phones, laptop, desktop, Alexa, Google, smart TV, Smart phone, IPad, credit/debit cards w/chips, etc. not to mention the millions of cameras surrounding us daily. Big brother is constantly watching. So is exhausting.
So true even if you have old car cameras everywhere, even at your job. I'm so sick of it. I remember the 80s song. I always feel like somebody watching me ain't got no privacy.
If you opt out of data sharing with the manufacturer, the dealer still then shares your data. You literally have to opt out from everyone who had the car - including repair shops in some cases :(. Beyond creepy and needs congressional action immediately!
Good luck with that. The government is not supposed to spy on you without a warrant, so they buy the data that is shared by owners to these companies. When you buy a second hand car privately, the previous owner may have already agreed to give all the data. It might not be possible to revolk this consent.
@@anthonysach Agreed. Eventually, someone will break the dam and the floodgates will open. I.e. data in your car computer may be collected, but conversations still legally require consent. There is no auto sales contract which explicitly gives dealers consent to listen to private speech or conversations, so if they do so, they are violating law. California is a “two-party consent” state, meaning that it is illegal to record a conversation without the consent of all parties involved. So if you want to record a conversation in California, you must inform all parties involved in the conversation and receive their consent before recording. Consent to one party does not extend to all other parties nor to all future conversations or speech. Eventually someone will sue and win. It just may take a while.
@@anthonysach Also, installing software on a privately owned vehicle without explicit consent to collect data or record speech is literally wiretapping and destruction of property by wire. No data collected in such a manner would be legally admissible. I’m sure people doing such things would also engage in contract fraud to cover their tracks, because that’s how sleazy criminals operate.
@@2Dcmbr7 it has nothing to do with a sales contract or the dealer, it is the manufacturer's privacy policy which many do not read but agree to. They will certainly come unstuck with the two party law as will all home gadgets like Alexa and Google that listen at your home constantly. The buyer may well have to agree with the privacy policy or the unit will not function as it has to be constantly listening to operate. Visitors to the home or passengers in a car who have not consented are recorded so these companies are already in violation of that law and I have not heard of any litigation happening yet.
What struck me once was a feature on my car called “ bird’s eye view “ where you can see your vehicle as you park to assist you. When I backed into my garage , I was still able to see my car AND inside of my garage. I thought.. SOB’s can see inside my house if they wanted via satellite!
This is one of the reasons why I prefer old cars. My newest car is from 2007 and doesn’t even have Bluetooth, it does have iPod connectivity which is good enough for me. The only data it’s capable of storing is my climate control and stereo EQ settings. I guess if you’re desperate you could bust a window and steal the SD card from my dashcam or my Garmin nuvi but that’s it, I feel completely safe having private conversations inside it :) I test drove a Polestar last year, nice car but the level of Google integration gave me the heebie jeebies, no thanks
Yeah either that or if the car can function without being able to phone home(or maybe disable antennas) then data should be safe. I drive a 2015 WRX and have a BlueTooth aftermarket head unit. Not much people can do if they somehow connect to it. It does not have any sort of connection with XM radio etc. It does have a drive by wire gas pedal and an ECU so a EMP will kill the car. Only way around that really is to get a really pre-ECU car. At least I'm good with my car for data collection which it basically has little to none and never communicates with any homebase.
My previous service van, a fleet vehicle, still reports it's location. I get a monthly report from the fleet company. The scary thing is I received a notification that the system had been reset once it sold at auction
Most of the companies running those trackers sell the data to police in the UK, it feeds in to their ANPR system to boost the number of vehicles shown and accuracy. There are also SIDE FACING CAMERAS on posts in North Wales and Chester, UK, the police gather data from ANPR and then cameras to look through the side windows of vehicles - which is one reason the Law stops you tinting them too much. They cross reference this side picture with the front one and run it through PNC to see if a person is wanted. If not, they record it all. There is one massive Palantir type Database that stores all info from ANPR, side cameras, speed cameras (that were also used for 24hr surveillance filming and ANPR), roadside bluetooth and WiFi beacon monitors etc. This is also cross referenced with phone info, IMEI and IMSI, subscriber details, financial databases showing bank details, passport usage - absolutely everything about people. Then you get contact chaining to work out who knows who with a Maltego type approach. It will show which criminals have been together, who was on the same road etc. Then the tagging database, the base units G4S fit in homes have monitored not only the tag of the criminal it was intended for, but every other tag in the vicinity, working out who knows who, who was nearby etc. There is a lot people do not know. Make sure you put your VirginMedia box in a cupboard as a lot had cameras inside to enable police to watch you in your own home. NOTHING you do is private...
@@Bond2025 The tracker in my van sends an email to the boss if I brake too hard, accelerate fast, go around a corner too fast or of course speed. It also has cameras front and rear. Not that they retrieved the footage when someone rear ended me to help with the claim. And has an app that gives me a driving score and shows all of the above. I have 2 old VM routers they didn't bother to collect as they went out of date and one faulty one. Time to open them I think. Only ran them in modem only mode with my own vpn router atached.
These days, we have absolutely no privacy when we have a cellphone. These phones literally collect our private data every time we use them. I'm actually considering getting rid of mine. And my vehicle is 15 years old and has no screen in the dash for calling. But it does have ON STAR. I have not ever had it activated but every once in a while, it will speak to me. And tell me that something is wrong here
im overseas and it costs 5$ a day just to have roaming. the company makes sure it bings you daily to get the money it seems, so I leave it in aeroplane mode.. Really need it in a Faraday cage to be safe, just take it out, use it and shut it down again
@gregorylyon1004 i just saw a news report that a woman just started a class action lawsuit against onstar because they sold her driving information to multiple insurance companies and they jacked up her insurance 800%!
@@natemarx4999 I'm interpreting this as you saying naomi is like the only reason you still use youtube. But you can get these videos elsewhere as well, so it's not a reason to be on youtube on its own.
I need to permit my car insurance to track my driving to receive a discount. Many car insurance companies do this. It is the driver who decides to do it or pay more for car insurance.
I hate driving down the road and the person next to me, you can hear both ends of their phone conversation from their speakers. Pretty sure there is a privacy setting where they can change that. Either they want everyone to know their private life, or they are too unaware to know. Either way, its kinda frustrating to me.
I don’t know how many people don’t know what “in perpetuity “ means, but for anyone who doesn’t, it means they will keep your information forever like even if they were somehow to agree to stop recording they likely never delete any of it.
I never attached my phone to my ‘23 car, nor did I ever voluntarily sign up for “app radio.” I listen to the regular AM/FM radio and pull over if I need to take/make a call using my phone not my car.
I do connect a device to my 22 car for music, but that device is a 7th Gen iPod Touch that I mostly use for listening to MP3s that are not on a streaming service. I also have been doing my shorter trips via ebike that cannot track me. As Louis Rossmann states: "You're not paranoid if they're after you."
Many modern vehicles have an integrated GPS + 4G/5G modem module that provides navigation & other in vehicle connectivity services. All that I have encountered use a SIM card that's soldered on the PCB of the modem module, so you won't be able to easily remove it to protect your privacy. I know too much, yet not enough about this... as only those on the inside know exactly what data is being collected by each carmaker!
The problem is that removing the SIM or disconnecting the modem may flash a service error in the car and it could be programmed to shutdown if not repaired in a given time.
My son and I just learned this. My son’s 2021 truck sends real time information to a big ins company on how you drive, where you drive, how many times you pick up your phone, how many time you brake,if you speed in a school zone 🤬🤬🤬 frightening.
Thank goodness my mums 2011 Mercedes is very old and it can only plays CDs and listen to the radio and Bluetooth is only used for handphone calls and my mum opted out of the sos system in the car by not paying the bills for it.
People do all sorts to improve security on their mobile devices but then connect to unsecure devices with out thought. Your fridge may be spying on you.
Never imagined a car having more privacy issues than a smartphone. Miss the days where they were just an engine with four wheels
Funny in a way, as they still make those cars, but will not allow them to be sold in the USA.
@@michaelwright1602 For "safety" reasons I am sure.
Your smartphone is not a privacy concern because it is what it is and you know exactly what it's doing it's a connecting device, you can throw it away, leave it home etc, but can you do the same with your car when its whole purpose is something else?
Cars have had computers since the 80’s.
@@jnnxthat’s true
The silent creep of data collection is maddening.
What do you mean by silent?
Been in your Google settings lately?
I haven't been in a few in a few months, but went in yesterday & there's a scary amount of new bullshit collecting data.
WTF is "Google passes"?
There's a shit-ton more settings that all collect & share your info & data.
It's been intentional. The real problem and cause is how many AMERICAN CITIZENS that simply do not care about serious things. This is a major issue in Europe, where they vote for it to be guarded, and they create the GDPR to defend its citizens. Americans have no idea, because they're too busy figuring out other basic things in 2023.
It just makes it better for the communists/socialists that want to overtake the united states
If you live in modern society, it's going to happen. Most of the data collection is valid, but there will be bad actors as well. You could move to North Korea and live without modern technology to avoid this, if you like.
My favorite car is 36 years old. No electric mirrors, no heated seats, no cup holders, no privacy issues. I love it.👍
Those cars were built to last. Not the crap they sell today.
Yea but they dont care about that because eventually your car will age out.
On my wish list is the 1968 Shelby GT500.
I recently sold my 1969 Chevelle wagon. Before that, my '68 Camaro, before it was stolen i was running into problems finding parts. The power steering bracket was impossible to find. New or used. My uncle ended up welding one for me from scratch. I was so mad when the thief ended up with my hard to get part. But then again, they probably put on headers, which would have eliminated the power steering, which breaks my heart even more thinking that bracket ended up in a trash heap.
Sorry i went off topic. All this talk of old cars, i do miss them terribly, ...the sound, the feel, the simplicity, the smell,( lol). but i don't miss the long braking distance.
I have 2 vehicles pre 2015. I am still wondering what we will do when these vehicles are toast. I want a basic vehicle like the Toyota IMVO but we can't buy simple A-to-B vehicles in the first world due to "economic issues." How can we boycott cars? The data vampires know this..
Ahhh yesss, that is why my car is over 30 years old. I keep it tuned up, with good tires, no car payment, no privacy or hack issues. Thank you, Father Yah!👏
And it's probably very handsome compared to all the gym shoes on the rd. the last 20 years.
Replaced transmission?
Very wise
Old school 100% !
Since 2008 cars have been spying.
I left the automotive world in 2013.
Way too much bs was coming out I wanted no part of.
I try to tell everyone to buy older that 2007.
Nobody listens. Gotta keep up with the world.
My car's not *that* old, but it's 2001. Old enough that it has a throttle cable (which is honestly a requirement for me to actually be able to comfortably drive it), and does not have the ability to connect my phone to it
Time to start suing companies for invasions of privacy.
Yeah. Good luck with that.
I’m sure there’s something buried in the fine print of your contract that you sign during the purchase , they’re very smart about these disclosures things, if it’s not disclosed then you probably could sue for invasion of privacy
YEP Class Action Law suit sounds like a great idea 🤔
When you buy the product you agree to the terms and conditions.
If you read the EULA fire every app or web page you wanted to use. You would never access the internet.
@@cherylwin9364yeah, but they got all the angles figured out.
I'm so glad to hear someone do a video on this subject! I've been going on about it for years but nobody seems to believe it.
Yes, the disbelievers are making me nuts with frustration.
The USB is public??
@@sl4983They have public USB's in airports to charge your phone at least they did a while back. Where else did I see them?
@@MissBabalu102who you going to tell, next generation are completely linked to tech so things are normal for them.
For some people, personal privacy is not an issue. Health and Fitness Apps know everything about users. I found out they were tracking my steps when my phone was turned off. These apps got the number of steps wrong sometimes. That was strange. I Deleted both.
I bought a new 2023 Rav4 this year. When I picked it up at the dealership, the salesman was surprised when I wouldn't download the Toyota app. Every time I get into my car, the screen says, "user profile not loaded." I just clear it and continue on as a guest in my own car.
4 wheels and an engine is all I need.
If someone steals it can they put in a new owner?
Good question.@@recoveringsoul755
Smart move! A guest in your own car.
@@recoveringsoul755. Not without the pink slip 🤪
don't ever connect it
This is also a BIG issue with car rentals. People connect their phones, then return the car without thinking about it, never realizing that the next renter might gain access to everything the car collected from the phone (texts, contacts, calls, etc.).
U haul truck I rented had over 65 listed in the receiver with only 4800 miles on the truck
Wow
Why not just use the stupid phone hands free with speaker on?
This is the very reason that I NEVER connect my phone in a rental.
@@tierneemalinadeveaux4421 I've never even connected it to my OWN car. They DO go in for service, after all. Earbuds work great.
i've been distrusting of cars ever since onstar was introduced. people used to tell me i was being paranoid.
Amend the Terms of Agreement to provide more personal privacy. Also, accept only necessary cookies.
@@ganymeade5151Privacy from who, marketers. The State of California will soon be charging mileage tax, VMT. How do you think that is going to happen. Utah and Oregon are considering as well. Privacy, Right! Lol.
Do you remember when we were up in arms about caller ID?
It's almost adorable.
we were so sweet. so naive.
You can hide your caller ID
No. You're old.
@@ThaRealest616 You are really real.
I was 10 years old when caller id came out in 1993
These manufactures should have a fat class action lawsuit. Because many top brands dumped tons of money into propaganda saying why the right to repair needs to be removed from repairing your own vehicle or shops. Their claim in court was for your privacy/security of your personal information.... And then what do these parasites do.... Here ya go! Them spying on you and invading our privacy, stealing/selling your personal data.
Your right! What if someone is stalking someone! They can get all the info so easily
DONT FORGET JUST HAVING YOUR CELL PHONE ON YOU IT RECORDS EVERYTHING YOU DO WALKING,DRIVING,SITTING ON YOUR TOILET,TAKING A SHOWER,WHAT KINDS OF FOODS YOU BUY,WHAT YOU SAY IN FRONT OF YOUR PHONE EVERY SINGLE THING YOU DO OR SAY IS RECORDED ON YOUR PHONE.
Yesss all Phones
Even when your phone is turned off, Fitness apps can record the number of your steps and where you go. The one I used did not record the right amount of steps. That was strange; so I Deleted it.
That’s including any cloud connected device like Fitbit or Garming sport bracelet.
Get a rfid sleeve. Signals cannot get to you.
You shower with your phone?
This is such an important privacy topic today and needs to be talked about! The general population, I believe, is so obsessed with "apps" because they provide that instant gratification due to the sense of control, power and to some extent, importance (because they're doing something or making something happen). The natural extension of the "app" is to what we do everyday; drive. I've often told people, I don't want to drive a laptop or a phone and have never connected one to any vehicle I've owned. Integrated head or infotainment units get replaced and antennas get disconnected (hard wired music is all I need) and I'll use stand alone (unregistered) GPS units (only if I don't know where I'm going). Even these steps likely don't stop all tracking but it's a start...Thanks Naomi; you've got one of the best channels on YT!
Thanks so much for being here!
@@NaomiBrockwellTV u r awesome...i liked the little jig u danced too...haha
I used to down load podcaststo a USB memory stick. Plug it in and listen. Now I need an app and need to connect my phone. So I stopped listening.
@@geoffgeoff143you can still get to the file from the RSS feed...
Anytime I hear the word 'app' I run. Especially if it calls for an apple ID.
Yes! Your phone conversations over Bluetooth in your car are VERY LOUD outside of your car, too! Might as well be using a megaphone for those "private" conversations!
The silicon cars don't hold any sound in. We hear it all
Right, I hadn't realized how loud they were until the last couple of years. Were they always like that? You can even hear people's Google Maps instructions.
🤣🤣🤣
Make sure your phone's bluetooth is off when riding with someone. Their car will search for any signal to link to. The dumbest thing I hear is "well I don't have anything to hide, let them spy". 🤦🏻♀🤦🏻♀
Thats not good enough. How do we even know the "disconnect" or "turn off" button we see on our phones really logically turn these things off? I wouldnt be surprised if all the buttons in the settings of these iphones/andriod google phones are all 98 percent fake buttons that dont actually do anything.
This is y right to repair is important. So we can easily open our paid for hardware and physicall disconnect the adpaters like wifi, bluetooth and etc.
@@NO-FILTER-EXPERT yeah exactly, its like... when you turn the function off you are disabled from using the function but the background functioning remains active just as if you had it turned on
I have nothing to hide. Let them spy. They have been doing it way before this car phone connection story.
Why what are they going to find out if you ha e nothing to hide ? Why would it be dumb then ?
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Anti-virus software scans your files and gets a copy of every file scanned.
Think about it. Scammers and hackers are computer/tech savvy.
The only way they get personal information from you is by selling [spyware] products to consumers.
I had a 2020 Grand Cherokee stolen from in front of my home 2 years ago. With all this terrific tracking and data collection technology, you’d think that the vehicle could be located. I logged into my “Guardian” tracker within 20 minutes of its disappearance and it had already been disabled. The police absolutely did nothing, not even coming over at all. The insurance company mailed a me check and I mailed back both key fobs and title. It’s unbelievable that a 3 ton vehicle can evaporate like a fart in the wind, never to be seen again. I firmly believe that there are people somewhere on this planet aside from the thieves, who know exactly where that Jeep is and who now possesses it, whether it’s in North America or Africa, including camera feeds.
Sympathies K.
I can guarantee a member of the oppressed used parts for theirs they
A. probably wrecked sliding around the city.
.B they wrecked running from someone.
C. Blew up banging off limiter doing donuts and burnouts.
I’ve seen it a lot in Philly. They steal the vehicle to commit crimes or just part it out on the street. Take what they need an leave the rest to the other volunteers with similar Mopar vehicles. Not just Cherokee. I bet there is a Chrysler 200/300 somewhere with your engine in it and probably the seats. The diff is probably in a trackhawk or challenger someone blew up doing burnouts.
Most local police departments are too busy dealing with Homeless people to worry about your stolen car
I'm assuming that your stolen Jeep had push button start??? Anything with that feature is easy to steal. We have a Jeep Cherokee and we've never had it get stolen. My advice is to cover up the VIN code in the driver's side window in the dashboard. Also cover up the one in the driver's door. We cover both VIN numbers with cardboard and have never had a problem. Thieves can literally generate a throw away fob to disable the security system with nothing more than the car's VIn numbers. It takes about 5 minutes to do it, especially when the vehicle has push button start feature.
So called hate speech, takes priority these days. 😢
Well done! As a 20 year vet of the automotive tech industry working with every OEM and the majority of dealers in the US. Your videos is a well needed wakeup call. I just gave an interview this summer and the hook was "Does my car know how much weight I gained during COVID?" The short answer is yes....the how and why would blow your mind!
Is that interview online somewhere?
😂😅 they needed to determine the best hight for the next model . . .
thx for lending your opinion and sharing your genuine and ptolly authentic view from the standpoint of an industry experienced professional. Respect + thx.PS scary how 99% of cars don't have security partitioning so once your on the BUS you have FULL admin access to every function and sensor on that cars featureset and sensor suite, potential steering but def your braking and accelerator, etc. this means their has definitely been research into simply puttting a cd into your car could feed malware to your cars bus to FLOOR the gas but appear as a normal audio disc. NOW we well know that there have been massive security vulns baked right into the early bluetooth stack standards. eg WPS req'd for WIFI certification yet crackable by any kid or even other apps eg even other vehicles..
@Follow God:God loves you repent it will be worth it God bless you all💕💜♥️
Do you know when they started to insert the tracking devices in new cars? I drive a 1998 SAAB 95....
For a deeper perspective on this excellent presentation, I recommend reading, 1. "Three felonies a day" by Harvey Silvergate, 2. "Confessions of an economic hitman" by Perkins, 3. "The Master Switch" By Tim Wu. The gameboard has been set up this way for a reason. Your worst enemy is wrapped in a patriotic flag, has endless funding, runs the military, police, prisons, and judiciary, and can not be "voted out" off office. Information (even planted false information) is there most powerful weapon.
Yep. Just look at what they did to the patriotic Jan 6th protesters. Now compare that to what they didn't do to the ANTIFA and BLM rioters.
@@wildbill562 Truth! ... but we did recently hook up our phones to our new suv... how do you UNDO the connection from the car?
Yes agreed. Such theories are seen as paranoia but is in fact waking up and alerting people to what was perhaps a bit paranoid is now the awful truth. The world has changed but many people haven’t moved with the awful changes that have been introduced.
Biden??
I'm safe in my 30 year old beater.
I hope you wear a wife beater in your beater
This is why smart people love their beaters.
Some states make it a living hell, to own a older beater.
until you install a modern Pioneer head unit...
If I wasn't clear enough on that post they looked at the past week & months, & put it an hour after his quitting time & they found exactly where he normal was at that time which for most people is where they're living at.
They can do this for ANYBODY.
I consider myself more than knowledgeable about privacy and Internet Security, but this video has blown my mind. I always knew that there was something that could be collected from a vehicle but that was me thinking in case of an accident some investigating team would have come and physically query the vehicle on behalf of an insurance company. But after watching this video I am more than worried that data is being siphoned away without any notice to myself or my wife. I just purchase a new vehicle with all the bells and whistles for my wife and this video makes me not even want to get anywhere near it.😮
Yeah I think this vudeo took a lot of us by surprise, ha.
I think basically a car without a computer on board - or rather possibility to have gps and computer on board not just buying the cheaper option of a car model that is missing the feature -- should be fine.
Don't connect your phone or use any of the apps available for it.
A friend who's an FBI agent told me that. Don't use on star, etc.
There's really no reason to have all those things anyway. It's not like you're ever far from a city or people, unless you drive to Vegas... Wait, yeah, even then you're never far from any place.
Why do we need on star?
It still won't stop a car jacker, or alert you that someone is following you. Those things will depend on his old fashioned common sense and keeping aware. Nothing is fool proof, but staying alert is key to most situations.
In my opinion, all those extra doodads can reduce your awareness to your surroundings since you're relying on that crap to keep you safe.
I'm just saying.
I just bought new Toyota RAV4, last month , sounds like a routing to connecting my phone to car monitor , anything I can do now ??? Please advice
There is an object in all vehicles dating back to 90s maybe earlier known as the black box. It collects data just before an accident. Speed g forces when brakes are applied if at all lights when the airbags deploy when the car finally comes to a stop etc. whenever the Insurance adjuster looks at the vehicle for damage. They also collect the data from the black box.
@@wrenchaholic_ the black box is the least of your worries because it is pulled for investigations only during an accident, defect etc. Some manufacturers don't let insurance companies have it even like with Tesla.
Really it is passive collection like OnStar, app services, phone services etc that is more concerning. Atleast with a phone you have more control where the device let's you disable permissions but it is usually not the case with the car. Imo, I like to use a spare phone or preloaded USB for music. You can also install a tablet center console to your car which you can then control permissions on Android. Ofc it is more work than the standard equipment and in the future at 2026 the cars are required to have remote kill switches, so it might even be illegal if you take out the center console and it messes with the switch.
Thanks, Naomi for yet another eye opener about our privacy's slipping away with new tech. I look forward to future videos on ways to stay private- with my phones and vehicles- enjoying them in privacy.
I went to school for Cybersecurity and regularly follow tech/privacy stuff. Im shocked I had no idea about 90% of this.
Most of these are theoretical issues. Most cars are not recording your audio or sending you data to the cloud. The amount of wireless data involved would be prohibitively expensive. Also, the moment you buy a car, the car companies already know pretty much everything about you, like your address, where you work, your income, etc. There's not much incentive to spend lots of money to track you going to work, the grocery store, movies, etc. Aside from legal issues, most of the data will be not useful from a marketing perspective.
I think your school failed you then
Cause it’s all a fear mongering bs, none of the nonsense of this video is actually true
@@mementomori29231 2023 f150. Automatically tracks information and sends to cloud for Ford. It's in the manual. WAKE UP
@@mementomori29231I have to agree with this.... to a point. I think the key aspect to this is the associated Car apps. You're right, they are likely not sending video/audio data (most of them), as that would be alot of data, but the tracking and usage info im sure is sent.. but through your phone.. that way the User is "paying" for the data transmission, probably without knowing it. Most of that data they dont need instantly. So they could also follow the setting to 'wait till its on Wifi' that way the transmission speed is less noticeable.
As we saw from the Liberty safe incident, those who hold your data don't need to have a subpoena or warrant to share your data with the government.
When you hear public/private partnership, run.
A friend of mine was telling me that the government is listening to everyone’s conversations in their home. I laughed, he laughed……..Siri laughed.
And twitter, and the very FBI, entirely owned, used and abused by Democrats. Everything and anything can be turned into evil by evil people.
Yes the government listens to our conversations. I was talking to my father about something concerning the Iraqi war. Somebody cut us off.
nope
This reminds me of the news report I was reading some years ago. It was about a guy who caught his smart TV collecting data from his private network, and whatever was connected to that network off into the ether. Even when the TV was off, and even when he opted out of that service.
For this reason, none of my smart TVs are connected to the internet, and their wifi are turned off. It also stopped me from getting a Ring doorbell camera, an Alexa, and even an Xbox 1. My car isn't new enough to have any of the features described here, and the Bluetooth is all but useless since I can't stream music to the radio, so I've never connected to it. My mobile device provides all of the data they're gong to get from me.
😆 If only it actually worked that way.
@@user-zu5do6ri6r What are you talking about?
Glad you refused to pay for the privilege of being spied on. Tens of millions of western tech junkies need to follow your lead!
Tesla is a master at collecting and storing your data and personal info through their cars. They claim they do it anonymously, but they know which car it came from and they know who owns the car. So their anonymous claim is 100% BS.
@@GladeSwope Yeah, he considers WeChat to be Kickass and wants Twitter/X to go that way also. An app for everything. I mean, what could go wrong right?...
And the 8 hd cameras on the outside, im sure there are at least 2 on the inside
Tesla records everything you do from the car. Some of it can be obtained if you have a subpoena for it. And of course, there are the non-secret video recordings.
Tesla is probably the worst of all cars, cameras everywhere…
"There" tracking you & making you pay for it.just because there selling it,doesn't mean you Have to buy IT.All this is the definition of DUMB💡
In this day and age, being paranoid makes perfect sense.
As Louis Rossmann states: "You're not paranoid if they're after you."
@@ambiarock590well depending on how you vote, talk to people , have a different opinion then the average hive mind you never know
yeah, i have legit paranoia, and knowing these things i know only triggers it, makes it harder dealing with too
If you don't know about him, look up the work of Noam CHOMSKI. Paranoia is justified in this Big Brother world. And then there's Edward Snowden, of course.
"If the app is free, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT." Scarey ! ! !
Not scary, everything has a price.
not if the app is Free Software, but if it's proprietary, then yes, almost certainly
Cars aren't free. They're massively overpriced and they still sell your data
As a used car dealer, let me reassure you, 99% of you don’t erase your personal data from your car when you sell it. And we, as used dealers, see everything.
Indeed yes. My used car, I knew exactly where previous owner lived, and some of the favourite places. That was without even looking for it (just saw it when I wanted to put my places in there).
So how do you erase it?
@@sl4983 Google it. It's different for every car.
@@sl4983
Go through the system and delete it.
Usually controlled by the radio/infotainment center.
@@sl4983it’s never totally gown because of the hard drive in the vehicle. There is a factory reset just like a phone that will clear all data but it’s still on the hard drive where ever that may be.
When location services came out I was constantly telling people that even primitive cell phones could be tracked by anyone who really wanted to as long as you're in range of more than one cell tower. Nothing on your phone is private either.
Everything you type on your phone or say on a phone call is logged. The only way to insure privacy is to not use any form of digital technology.
Old school cell phones with no internet connection cannot be tracked with the battery removed.
@@geraldscott4302yea but wont function after so many years ur fone wont work in more and more areas when cell fone companies update their signals ur old fone wont work
@@LuckyCharms777 actually your phone will listen to you whether you're on a call or not. Do an experiment: talk with someone about something specific you didn't ever buy - some brand of shoe or something. Have your phone around. Afterwards go to your computer and just browse the news and pay attention to the ads you get: I bet you will get a lot of ads for the shoes you just talked about...
@@uweschroeder
It seems like my phone is more of a mind reader than listener.
I'm a Navy Veteran ,thank you shipmate for your courage . RIP to you both shipments
We aren’t as free as some of us believe we are. It’s sad !
Technology is so scary. I admit, I do like having a phone at my disposal in case I need one BUT before mobile phones we managed to get by just fine. We would be so much better off if we could just go back to the “old days and the old ways”.
We are the most propagandized and surveilled people in history
No, we’re free. You just have to protect your rights and possibly not buy a car that you’re paying somebody to take your rights away from you. You have the legal right to privacy. You don’t have to give it up. That’s a choice making
Were as free as we believe
@@territhompson5685Not if they start restrictions autos after a certain period because they dont meet epa requirements.
Anyone remember the 2009 cash for clunkers program that eliminated all the low tech cars , I’m sure this was by design to usher in the beginning of the higher tech vehicles. Technology is like an addiction,the consumer demands the latest and greatest but don’t realize all the privacy they give up , even if you tell people, especially the younger generation they still don’t get it , they think your nuts
Could be. The vehicles were destroyed on purpose. Fixable vehicles. It created a used car parts shortage. Stinking O but head President then is the puppet master even now.
Thank you ❤ thank you for saying this! When that happened, this was my very 1st concern. I have older cars & I REFUSE to buy anything newer than 2006, I add EVERYTHING aftermarket. The last GREAT year for a lot of manufacturers. The next best of the newer class after the Clunkers program is 2015-16. Then the surveillance ramped up tremendously for the last dying actions of the Obama Administration.
@@RtistiqSkubie , cash for clunkers came right when vehicle technology took a step up , also I’ve seen stories that in 10 years or less you won’t be able to insure lower technology cars
It's amazing how people will fall in line when they'll get free stuff.... Will happen with the chip in your skin... If you want Universal Basic Income you'll need the chip... And people will line up
@@Mikey196601 bruh that should be illegal as hell & definitely taken to the Supreme Court. The amount of spying technology in your vehicle has nothing to do with it your older model operates.
Oh wow! Thank you for posting this video! Privacy is a human rights and there is a extreme violation by our industries
Diving under the hood with Naomi to discuss privacy…sounds good to me 👍🏼 👏🏼
This is very much a real concern.
Folks, stay to the end. Boogie 🤙🏼
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This is part of the reason I'll probably never own an electric car. Thank you for talking about this Naomi! You wouldn't sell someone a phone without wiping it. A car should be no different. My car is over a decade old. So not too worried about my CD player recording conversations. 😂 I prefer un-smart cars.
Same here. In fact, I may trade in my 2021 Toyota for a 1966 diesel truck.
Absolutely, treat your car like you treat your phone! 💛
When I will be selling my 2002 car, I'll be marketing it as Privacy car.
smart is synonymous with "spying device" waiting for the exact time when you're a threat to an elite's interest - at which time "enemy of the state" occurs.
It is not just electric cars, most cars are doing it. Have you noticed the new infotainment systems no longer have satnav included to make you plug your phone in?
Another good reason to have an old car! Ours is 2004 and does not have anything digital or any way to connect your phone. No camera. No GPS. (Not to mention no car payments and really inexpensive car insurance.) I'm not paranoid about it, but I still don't like anyone having access to stuff that's none of their business.
anything over 2000 I think it was has a black box in it
One may say; "Thankfully I have a vehicle that can't collect, or send data", but some information is still collected, even with a "dumb" car. I remember reading an article in the early 2000's about an accident regarding a corvette involved in the crash. The driver was almost cleared of the charges, that is until an officer investigating the crash learned about the cars "black box" which set the precedent in investigations moving forward. This "black box" contained just enough data to prove that he was speeding right before the crash.... The crazy thing is this "black box" was meant to be a diagnostic tool for the airbag system. All cars have this "black box" nowadays, if it has airbags, ABS, stability control, or any driver aid, telemetry data is collected, and stored in those little computers in various places inside of the car
Great advice Ed, THANKS!
@@happydog2191 This is true, but once your car is in the possession of law enforcement, they can pretty much do whatever they want. If you total your car, and it gets towed the insurance company pretty much owns your car, and if your car is part of an investigation, and in law enforcement's possession, they can have their way with your car, and it's data
@@happydog2191 unfortunately, you'd have to look for an 80's and older vehicle. I suppose one could remove ABS, and airbag system, but there would be complications going that route, especially newer vehicles lol
@@happydog2191 As long as they're not John Deere tractors, you might be on to something lol
It is especially bad when you consider that the customer is paying for the cameras, microphones, etc. when they add on blindspot monitoring, lane change warning, etc. And then the car manufacturer makes even more money when they sell not only your data, but the video and other data of the roadway and surroundings that your car collects while you're driving.
I bought my vehicle new in 1996. If the cassette deck transmits information, so be it. I have no cellular phone anyway. Where I live, they are worthless. I found the vehicle is EMP proof, though that is not why I bought it. It was a Ln experiment the Canadian and American Navy did in 1996. I got curious and went to visit one at a showroom. I found it to be so attractive that I went home with it. She is still with me today. Everything is manual on it, including lights, transmission, and brakes. She is such beautiful spartan perfection.
Hi Naomi , I live in a 23 year old motorhome/rv with a non bluetooth radio that only plays out of the left speaker . For once in my life I am more than happy with my choice . Am really looking forward to this series and I twigged on to this subject some years ago with new trucks/hgv/lorries . I noticed that as I was a long distance driver these new trucks would be waking up , usually late at night , and I guessed they were sending info about the truck back to the manufacturer. I never in the world thought they could be doing all this too . Will be keeping a close eye on your next vids xx .
I'd get rid of that left wing radio.
@@paulhare662 My radio does not have any wings , left or right . But I do like things that just work and work how they are supposed to . 😉 Peace brother , I wish you well on your way .
With all respect, I doubt that anyone would be interested in your data anyway. That's unless you're operating a meth cooking lab in there or something🙂
@@pedtrog6443 So how about Google,Tomtom,NHS etc ?
@@Simon-390 do you plan on fixing the right radio or does the mono sound good by itself or doesn't have the budget?
This first video is an eye-opener and scary. Think I’ll hold on to my 11 year old car. Thanks for all you do here Naomi.
You need to go back more than any 11 years. OBD1 is where you want to be, for privacy.
@@ButchNackley I'm pretty sure that if the car doesn't have cameras, GPS, and internet connection he's gonna be fine. They can only track what they have sensors for
@@d.o.5238Didn't most cars built in 2012 have much of that?
@@ButchNackley Some luxury brands probably did already, but the regular cars didn't, at least not en masse. You could get a rear view camera and a built-in GPS in some top of the line trims, but not the internet connection. Apple Car Play and Android Auto weren't a thing either
@@d.o.5238 Correct. All I have is a rear view camera. No GPS, no connection to the internet. AKA Privacy
Yeah, this is an invasion of privacy and they need to be held accountable. We're not giving them permission to track all of that or any data 🙀
Maybe it's time to sue the government for invasion of privacy.
You didn't buy the car or tv from the government nor did the government promise you privacy while owning a car or tv, so your case is dismissed. Duh.
@@cmertonthat all depends upon standards - which we absolutely have the power to change. If there is interest and knowledge, we begin to be able to take a stand. All of it is kept obscure for this purpose.
Nothing you said would even remotely improve the chances of his hypothetical lawsuit succeeding. Duh.@@Gotprivacy-noyoudont
@@cmertonNo the government has the right to block things for the safety of their citizens, don't let them get away with being ignorant and acting dumb because they like that they can use your information too. Their job is to crack rules on everything, including what kinda food is okay to consume, to how many hours and days off a company has to pay its employees, and all the way to privacy or safety issues with cars and other electrics.
Should've done that when the Patriot Act was introduced back in 2001. Privacy hasn't existed then.
Naomi - thanks for posting this information. This kind of data collection and spying on drivers is crazy. I didn't have any idea it was going on. It makes me want to trade my 2021 Toyota in for a 1966 diesel truck.
This is the second time I watch this video.. it's amazing how much worse this is than what I had picked up on from last time. needless to say, i'm sharing the video and have been speaking to family and friends. Thank you for all your amazing work!!
And this is why I drive a '66 Chevy impala. No computers, no electronic ignition. No bullshit computers. No worries.
Easier to work on as well. 👍
A 66 Impala??? Where do you live, Arizona??? Up here in the rust belt those cars rusted out decades ago
@@gregorylyon1004 i live in Northern Virginia. The car was purchased in 66 by my Father brand new. I spent a LOT of time welding plates in the trunk and on the body for the rust. Original engine, refurbished, didn't need a rebuild. Problems with the outer frame, small repairs because as a convertible it has an inner and outer frame. The inner frame is solid. It was worth every penny.
As long as you have a tablet or a computer or a smartphone or even a ring, they will find a way to track you.
@@Lzrdman91 Who exactly is trying to track our movements???? The government??
Absolutely true 👍
Cars have built-in listening stuff...
Particularly electric cars 🚗....
The same when you say something inside your home like Google or Siri and others they harvest your information and other data and will share to others.
This was very extremely eye-opening! Thank you so much for making this video!
As all previous NBTV videos: amazing, super scary and, at the end, it leaves a smile on your face.
I can't wait for the 2nd part.
PS: We have to stop using the "smart-" prefix and start using the "spy-" one instead: spy-TV, spy-phone, spy-car, spy-watch ... and so on.
completely agree re "spy" vs "smart" prefix. Good point! "Surveillance Cars" is more apt.
rename IoT to IoS. Internet of Spies.
@@NaomiBrockwellTV
Spy-car .... Aston Martin DB5? As well as all the other spy quipment.
I would prefer surveillance phone etc.
Or we could use Rob Braxman's Zuck or Zucking phone, car etc.
As in being Zuckerberged or Zucking = Sucking data.
Maybe we should find another word due to it's triple entendre.
Edit:
How about Spook cars, phones? Keeping on the spying theme.
I have seen BlackHat videos of a guy who was able to connect to his car's computer system by accessing his cars tire pressure sensor thru a radio and was able to control features in another nearby car like turning on windshield wipers and turn signals.
Recently my windshield fluid was low and I saw the light go on in the car, then I got an email notification saying my windshield fluid was low… this is my first time owning a new car so it definitely made me feel weird that my car has my email address.
Just now running Inssider, I can see an Audi with a wifi hotspot on.
As for connecting your phone to a rental car or van, don't do it, it's a very bad thing as they download a copy of all your contacts off your phone onto the vehicle.
I had 6 rentals through my work and 3 had multiple people's contact details stored on the inboard computer, one had too many so I had to delete all of them in the end due to the constant error messages popping up everytime I started the van.
Also use a faraday holder for your keyfob, so easy to steal the connection between the key and car, in a matter of seconds a car can be stolen.
It's becoming more and more of a problem worldwide.
The days of hotwiring are long gone now.
Every time I see a video like this, I feel even MORE thankful that all three of my cars are from the 90s. Happily giving the finger to the car-spies since 1991, baby! lol
Naomi, I'm a 71 year old anti-government old codger. I recently came across your channel and would like to commend you on it, your altruism, social conscience and delivery. I knew all this stuff was going on, but not the science behind it. Thank you for teaching an old dog new tricks!
This is probably new information to many, but the movie 2001 space odyssey did clearly show the two astronauts who went to the garage to privately talk in their pod car, only to discover later that the computer would still know what was said
HAL was lip reading..
@@headpump yes, I don't recall if the video mentioned it, but the USA automobile of about two model years from now, is required to visually study your driving behavior and then, if it can see a problem, the car will take over, park itself while calling the police to provide assisting help ... But on the other hand, drunk driving is then a non issue with designated AI driver care to transport you home safely ... The trick is don't drive, and don't talk about your business while the driver is listening
@@headpump LOL the analog version of surveillance tech
While I'm sensitive to personal data issues (I'm here, for once) a killing feature of connecting your car to your phone (the car's app on it) is that you can have info on its position. A very little thing, I know. Plus other features, but this is for me one the most important. BTW, a suggestion, if possible, please give us alternatives to get the features we leave on the table once we renounce to these data sinks. Offering solutions would make (IMHO) for a much better message than just making once realize the risks.
They should encrypt the data with your public key so that only you can read it. It's not rocket cience.
A map and your brain. It's worked in the past.
how do you do that@
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Excellent video!!!! More need to know about this! Godbless you for speaking out on this. We need more people like you to talk about these subjects, that aren’t typically talked about.
It would be helpful to have a list of a precise year each car manufacturer's make and model began spying on customers so that customers can make an educated decision when purchasing a used vehicle. Or a chart for each make and model by year. I suppose Privacy4Cars could easily do this, but instead they want you to submit your vehicle's VIN to inform you what's what.
Yes
2008.
Hope that helps.
Thanks, but where did you get that info?
@Redeemed52597
I was in the auto industry for 25 years.
* I walked away from it all in 2013. Too much bs coming ~ now its already here.
I’ve been told by an engineer involved in this that it started with the year 2000 models and it included your vin badge by your dash. So it’s deeper (nefarious) than expected.
If all cars have SIM cards, then why can’t police locate stolen cars easily?
🤔 😮
It's not a case of can't...it's a case of won't.
@@masterj6926 are you saying the police are lazy as fuck?
Problem is that even after people become aware of this, they still don't care. They might act outraged for a few minutes, but the convenience of connecting their phone to their car will quell that outrage within a couple days (if not a couple hours).
The reality is, there's probably no stopping this. It's to the government's advantage for this tech to exist, too, so they won't pass any laws that protect consumers. Anyone who wants a car that doesn't violate their privacy is pretty much consigned to driving vehicles from last century.
If you find where the sim card is and pull it out, you can cancel most of it. Remove the antenna.
But buynlarge youd have to work hard.
The issue is, the APIs used by phones and cars are "black boxes," closed source, so we have no idea the full extent of the data that's being harvested.
Most alarming, to me anyway, is the point you made about how people are fully compliant, and complacent, about the epidemic of data collection in all aspects of their lives, and so even educating them about their cars collecting and sharing data, they're reaction is, "yeah, so? I love my android carplay! I love car tech!"
There is a reason why I drive a old (considered and antique it is so old) vehicle! This video breaks it down from A-Z! I saw this coming when OBD II was incorperated into a vehicles computer system. I knew it was just the beginning of what the future would hold.
I knew that data collection was taking place, but on this scale. wow. makes me even more confident to get an old car whenever I will get one.
The car reports EVERYTHING back. It's all ready for Pay Per Mile to be introduced next after we have been scammed over 20MPH limits as people don't want to take responsibility for their own actions and not play chicken.
My thoughts as well.
I don't know why people are surprised, how many on tube send information to google, that would be everyone, unless you have a degoogled phone, they've been doing data collection for decades and people don't care so when you have Android car infotainment systems, guess where it's going, luckily 2 of my cars can't connect to the internet 1994 and 2007
@@Peye-pv4cb i’m a privacy lawyer, and it suprised me that the auto-industry is doing this bad.. ofc its happening everywhere.
Dont forget you can stop the permissions of these car apps on your phone, choose the ones you dont want it to access like photos etc, if it helps who knows but worth doing
I have a Mirage which the only high tech thing it has is Apple CarPlay & Android Auto which I never connected because I was concerned about this exact issue. Thank you for bringing it to light!
I hope that a future part of the series will tell us that there are still new cars being created that have these features removed. Otherwise, we'll all be hunting the 2nd hand market for used cars (and depending on the demand... shooting up the prices).
I don't even like those automatic door opening ones because when it breaks it is more expensive to fix & causes more problems when broken.
One of the things I really don't like is an electric parking brake. Being in the UK most of the vehicles are manual so you don't have a parking pawl like automatics have, I hired cars with one and with the delay of operation it is hard to tell it worked. A couple of time the car rolled a few inches before it came on.
I have a 17 year old jumbuck. Even the radio don't work.
Good luck tuning in on her.
They tune in on your cellular device and through your home and work computer systems...not just your car. And cameras are watching your every move...the Ring camera and Alexa are spying on everything in its sight and recording every sound.
I hear you neighbor, but ironically everyone has a cell phone
Even that is a hit and miss. I rarely take it with me.@@Graciaplena12
all they need is a recall notice, then slide something extra in that data collects
The makers of my car have gone out of business it's 17 years old recalling it for anything is a big stretch.@@questcore636
The moment you connect to internet, all your life become public.
This is the first video I've seen on your channel. I almost never comment on videos (oh and I think this is on my wife's account somehow) but I gotta say you've done a magnificent job!!! And also this makes me love driving my 1969 Chevelle even more!!! And yes that's my daily driver.
Thanks for getting the message out there! It's shocking how little information is shared with end users. Eg a rental car had all of the previous renter's personal information, including their home address, call list and stuff! When I use a rental car, I make sure I reset all personal information before and after I use it, disable whatever telematics I can, and use my own USB charger or wireless charging instead of the built in USB ports. When pairing bluetooth, I deny access to my contacts and call list. Can't save myself from eavesdropping mics in the car and telematics though.
and this why 90's-mid 2000's cars will always be the greatest era of cars..
I loved my 2000 Honda civic which I had for a full 10.5 years and it was a very nice pre smart car 🚙
1996 era onstar would like a word with you
I really didn't know the extent of this. Thank you ever so much. You're a treasure!
A recent movie, Old Dads, shows a perfect example of vehicle surveillance. It’s frightening.
Watched that movie! It was so funny! 😂 And yes, that scene where they were recorded in the rental car was disturbing 😳
problem is, it's companies doing rthe spying and working with the gov to create servers for that data, government needs to be the ones doing it if they want our forensic data, not companies
great conversation Naomi
Next time you take a rental car, just look at all the Bluetooth connections previous renters left in the car.
I have noticed that. I wonder what use could be made of that data. I'm sure some creep has figured out a way to exploit it.
I work for Hertz. The amount of personal information left behind in rental cars is astounding and the rental companies do nothing to clear it.
Yeah?! Try connecting to them.... oh wait.... you can't.
been there, was an eye opener, made aware to not share anything with cars
@@ericchin739 these people are just paranoid. LOL
I have seen a crime video where the criminal turned off his phone and the police got a warrant to collect the cars computer and was able to track his route. That was hella dystopian to me, Makes me never want a newer car.
I build this stuff for a living and this video is more detailed than I even knew but, in the USA there are no laws yet so they are for sure grabbing as much as they can before that happens.
Also, the biggest offenders rite now are Tesla then Nissan! GM recently got caught selling the data to Lexus Nexus and is in court over it.
Thanks for sharing Naomi.
Thanks Ron!
Amazing content! I came here from darknet diaries and god damn, this is probably the best channel I've discovered in the past few years!
No matter how hard we may try surveillance is everywhere such as phones, laptop, desktop, Alexa, Google, smart TV, Smart phone, IPad, credit/debit cards w/chips, etc. not to mention the millions of cameras surrounding us daily. Big brother is constantly watching. So is exhausting.
So true even if you have old car cameras everywhere, even at your job. I'm so sick of it. I remember the 80s song. I always feel like somebody watching me ain't got no privacy.
You have to live in a country with no technology, no debit cards, credit cards, etc. Only use cash basically off grid.
That old Mustang car i always wanted is looking good.
Now we need to learn how to remove all data collecting and tracking devices on our vehicles. That would be a great educational video.
impossible, it's software based, it's hardwired
If you opt out of data sharing with the manufacturer, the dealer still then shares your data. You literally have to opt out from everyone who had the car - including repair shops in some cases :(.
Beyond creepy and needs congressional action immediately!
Good luck with that.
The government is not supposed to spy on you without a warrant, so they buy the data that is shared by owners to these companies.
When you buy a second hand car privately, the previous owner may have already agreed to give all the data. It might not be possible to revolk this consent.
@@anthonysach Agreed. Eventually, someone will break the dam and the floodgates will open. I.e. data in your car computer may be collected, but conversations still legally require consent. There is no auto sales contract which explicitly gives dealers consent to listen to private speech or conversations, so if they do so, they are violating law. California is a “two-party consent” state, meaning that it is illegal to record a conversation without the consent of all parties involved. So if you want to record a conversation in California, you must inform all parties involved in the conversation and receive their consent before recording. Consent to one party does not extend to all other parties nor to all future conversations or speech.
Eventually someone will sue and win.
It just may take a while.
@@anthonysach Also, installing software on a privately owned vehicle without explicit consent to collect data or record speech is literally wiretapping and destruction of property by wire. No data collected in such a manner would be legally admissible. I’m sure people doing such things would also engage in contract fraud to cover their tracks, because that’s how sleazy criminals operate.
@@2Dcmbr7 it has nothing to do with a sales contract or the dealer, it is the manufacturer's privacy policy which many do not read but agree to. They will certainly come unstuck with the two party law as will all home gadgets like Alexa and Google that listen at your home constantly. The buyer may well have to agree with the privacy policy or the unit will not function as it has to be constantly listening to operate. Visitors to the home or passengers in a car who have not consented are recorded so these companies are already in violation of that law and I have not heard of any litigation happening yet.
What struck me once was a feature on my car called “ bird’s eye view “ where you can see your vehicle as you park to assist you. When I backed into my garage , I was still able to see my car AND inside of my garage. I thought.. SOB’s can see inside my house if they wanted via satellite!
This is one of the reasons why I prefer old cars. My newest car is from 2007 and doesn’t even have Bluetooth, it does have iPod connectivity which is good enough for me. The only data it’s capable of storing is my climate control and stereo EQ settings. I guess if you’re desperate you could bust a window and steal the SD card from my dashcam or my Garmin nuvi but that’s it, I feel completely safe having private conversations inside it :) I test drove a Polestar last year, nice car but the level of Google integration gave me the heebie jeebies, no thanks
Yeah either that or if the car can function without being able to phone home(or maybe disable antennas) then data should be safe. I drive a 2015 WRX and have a BlueTooth aftermarket head unit. Not much people can do if they somehow connect to it. It does not have any sort of connection with XM radio etc. It does have a drive by wire gas pedal and an ECU so a EMP will kill the car. Only way around that really is to get a really pre-ECU car. At least I'm good with my car for data collection which it basically has little to none and never communicates with any homebase.
My previous service van, a fleet vehicle, still reports it's location. I get a monthly report from the fleet company. The scary thing is I received a notification that the system had been reset once it sold at auction
Most of the companies running those trackers sell the data to police in the UK, it feeds in to their ANPR system to boost the number of vehicles shown and accuracy. There are also SIDE FACING CAMERAS on posts in North Wales and Chester, UK, the police gather data from ANPR and then cameras to look through the side windows of vehicles - which is one reason the Law stops you tinting them too much. They cross reference this side picture with the front one and run it through PNC to see if a person is wanted.
If not, they record it all. There is one massive Palantir type Database that stores all info from ANPR, side cameras, speed cameras (that were also used for 24hr surveillance filming and ANPR), roadside bluetooth and WiFi beacon monitors etc. This is also cross referenced with phone info, IMEI and IMSI, subscriber details, financial databases showing bank details, passport usage - absolutely everything about people. Then you get contact chaining to work out who knows who with a Maltego type approach. It will show which criminals have been together, who was on the same road etc.
Then the tagging database, the base units G4S fit in homes have monitored not only the tag of the criminal it was intended for, but every other tag in the vicinity, working out who knows who, who was nearby etc.
There is a lot people do not know. Make sure you put your VirginMedia box in a cupboard as a lot had cameras inside to enable police to watch you in your own home.
NOTHING you do is private...
@@Bond2025 The tracker in my van sends an email to the boss if I brake too hard, accelerate fast, go around a corner too fast or of course speed. It also has cameras front and rear. Not that they retrieved the footage when someone rear ended me to help with the claim.
And has an app that gives me a driving score and shows all of the above.
I have 2 old VM routers they didn't bother to collect as they went out of date and one faulty one. Time to open them I think.
Only ran them in modem only mode with my own vpn router atached.
There is also a litany of companies like McDonalds that communicate with your car and harvest information as you drive by them.
These days, we have absolutely no privacy when we have a cellphone. These phones literally collect our private data every time we use them. I'm actually considering getting rid of mine. And my vehicle is 15 years old and has no screen in the dash for calling. But it does have ON STAR. I have not ever had it activated but every once in a while, it will speak to me. And tell me that something is wrong here
im overseas and it costs 5$ a day just to have roaming. the company makes sure it bings you daily to get the money it seems, so I leave it in aeroplane mode.. Really need it in a Faraday cage to be safe, just take it out, use it and shut it down again
@gregorylyon1004 i just saw a news report that a woman just started a class action lawsuit against onstar because they sold her driving information to multiple insurance companies and they jacked up her insurance 800%!
Naomi is the only reason to keep TH-cam.
She's not only on YT
@@wagmi_dude Well, this is TH-cam 🙄
@@natemarx4999 I'm interpreting this as you saying naomi is like the only reason you still use youtube. But you can get these videos elsewhere as well, so it's not a reason to be on youtube on its own.
Not a dig on the OP, her videos are also on odysee.
Naomi and Rob Braxman! 😏
I need to permit my car insurance to track my driving to receive a discount. Many car insurance companies do this. It is the driver who decides to do it or pay more for car insurance.
I hate driving down the road and the person next to me, you can hear both ends of their phone conversation from their speakers. Pretty sure there is a privacy setting where they can change that. Either they want everyone to know their private life, or they are too unaware to know. Either way, its kinda frustrating to me.
Calm down bruh
Driving a car old enough to not be connected anywhere is simply feeling good! (2013 Octavia)
2013 is very modern with too many digital stuff. If own 6 cars and my most recent is a 1990 model.
I don’t know how many people don’t know what “in perpetuity “ means, but for anyone who doesn’t, it means they will keep your information forever like even if they were somehow to agree to stop recording they likely never delete any of it.
I never attached my phone to my ‘23 car, nor did I ever voluntarily sign up for “app radio.” I listen to the regular AM/FM radio and pull over if I need to take/make a call using my phone not my car.
I do connect a device to my 22 car for music, but that device is a 7th Gen iPod Touch that I mostly use for listening to MP3s that are not on a streaming service. I also have been doing my shorter trips via ebike that cannot track me. As Louis Rossmann states: "You're not paranoid if they're after you."
Many modern vehicles have an integrated GPS + 4G/5G modem module that provides navigation & other in vehicle connectivity services. All that I have encountered use a SIM card that's soldered on the PCB of the modem module, so you won't be able to easily remove it to protect your privacy. I know too much, yet not enough about this... as only those on the inside know exactly what data is being collected by each carmaker!
The problem is that removing the SIM or disconnecting the modem may flash a service error in the car and it could be programmed to shutdown if not repaired in a given time.
@@anthonysach Unlikely
My son and I just learned this. My son’s 2021 truck sends real time information to a big ins company on how you drive, where you drive, how many times you pick up your phone, how many time you brake,if you speed in a school zone 🤬🤬🤬 frightening.
Thank goodness my mums 2011 Mercedes is very old and it can only plays CDs and listen to the radio and Bluetooth is only used for handphone calls and my mum opted out of the sos system in the car by not paying the bills for it.
but the sos system (now called eCall) can still be reactivated for tracking by bad actor.
@@-COBRA But I don’t think the sos system exist for a car that old though since I heard Mercedes shut the services down for their old cars.
People do all sorts to improve security on their mobile devices but then connect to unsecure devices with out thought. Your fridge may be spying on you.
This is a very scary reality, this segment needs to be on 60 minutes or some national televised program in the states
News is brought to you by 1) US GOVT 2) pharma 3) big tech and 4) car companies.
So there is no way they’d ever cover this story on the nightly news!!
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