This legitimately demystified the bow purchasing process... people are mostly basing their feel on their bias and whatever they hear from a shop / reviews. Very interesting experiment that should be explored more
Mmmmm, I don't think so. I've owned many manufacturers flagship bows and there are very distinct differences when you're actually shooting a bow rather just shooting for feel with a glove on.
Not a waste of time awesome information as always you guys. Very awesome to see how close they all feel when taking bias out of it. Thanks again MFJJ and Bow disciples you guys are making a difference.
This is an incredible piece of experimentation, it really goes to show how much advertising, reviews and preconceptual bias to a manufacturer can play a huge part in how you perceive a bow. Very interesting.
Great content as always. You do a great job of eliminating bias in your videos anyway but this really shows how much preconceived notions everyone has. Keep it up. Enjoy learning from what you do!!
I very much like this kind of test! I think doing a letdown on each bow and then shooting can separate the bows more. I also agree with someone's previous comment about shooting at a target wall as well.
This is EXCELLENT. I want to go to my local shop and try this as the shooter. I haven’t shot any of the flagship bows in the past couple of years. I think it would be great. They’d go for it to this time of year not being very busy if I was planning to buy one.
One of the best and funniest vid you make Its unbelieve how hard is to feel a bow when the grip is gone And how similar are all bows nowadays A really nice test👍👍
Very interesting video. Does a great job of eliminating bias based on brand by the draw cycle & shot. The only downside is when selecting a bow the grip & vibration can be important but the grip can give it away. Rather than a glove I wonder how it would go if you removed the grips & used tape or a wrap instead.
I think next time while doing this test, you should hook the the release to the string first. Then hand the release to the bow to the shooter, release hand before bow hand. Love the content as always.
I like the thought of doing all the bows till you're left with one. You could do the test like an eye doctor. Shoot 2 bows and keep the better of the 2 until your left with the best feeling bow.
Its interesting, confirms they all build nice bows and it comes down to brand bias as well as what the shooter likes. I would be interested to see him shoot like 5 years of flagships from each manufacturer together in a similar manner. I dont think you could tell a difference. Bow industry does a great job at marketing and making you want the latest and greatest.
Another surprising factor is the weight. The carbon bows weren't distinguishable based on this. Granted, I dont know what those bows weigh compared to the aluminum risers but based on the material and the purpose of a carbon bow, I would only assume that they SHOULD be lighter...
I'd like to see this done for a newer shooter/buyer. Like here's a lineup, at x price point, blindfolded but no glove so they can feel what the risers doing... Elimination style, when you're done this is more or less the bow you like.
I think you need to do this with the bows set up but make sure you use the sight mounts the bows are made to use so a Pic mount or bridgelock and see if it changed the feel of the bow
This shows that there are no real bad choices. One thing that would be interesting would be a group test at like 50 yards. Get everyone to try so you have a few different shooters. 3 shots isn’t really enough though unless you’re using a hooter shooter
I think a great idea would be to make a custom handle that can be moved to every bow. So that you have the same handle at the same angle. So that you can feel the vibrations. And the handle itself wouldn’t give the bow away. Since they all have the same exact handle.
Would it be possible to have the same handle on all bows, so that the glove isn't necessary. That way it would perhaps be possible to get a better feel of the vibration on the different bows. Also I like the idea of doing this at a target wall to eliminate the time between drawing and aiming. In any case, thanks for doing this. Very valuable indeed. Keep it up guys!
If you could buy a universal grip and put on each bow so you could feel vibration but wouldn't be able to tell what bow it was due to a specific grip design then that would be interesting. Like if you could slap the ultraview grip on every bow then you could test vibration and draw cycle without giving away what bow it is right off the bat
Target wall or closer to target next time. Too much time between draw and shot is likely why every score is so similar. Probably also too worried about shooting that nice fridge rather than concentrating on the bow, lol.
Josh good video without the grip feel makes the blindfold test more difficult. You made fun of James . But now you see what he tried to feel . But honestly I speak from my own personal experience. I never seen anything like that before. Good job guys.
It’s worth subscribing just for this video) In my opinion, guessing a bow model makes the assessment more biased, holding several models in your hands often won’t be enough gloves, so as not to recognize your favorite model, you need to use last year’s models, for example. I think the strength of such a test combined with the archer’s experience makes it as objective as possible, excluding marketing and personal bias. When checking the effect of medications, some patients may receive regular sugar in place of the expected pill, and neither he nor the creator of the medicine knows what and who received it, in order to eliminate bias in the assessment.
So choose your ATA (if you need a specific ATA), then do this blindfolded glove test with a selection of bows...then find out if the grip on your top pick feels good i guess???
Also, I'm interested in both Hoyt AND Mathews for their weight reduction and increasing width of limbs etc etc... But next bow will probably be a Bowtech for ease of tuning/tinkering... Have an Elite Omnia, but probably never go Elite again just for all the issues the Omnia has had so far... ( I learned heaps about tuning/tearing down and rebuilding a bow from it, though...)
Hilarious! Looks like fitting and selecting a bow should be evaluated and revamped, the grip should be evaluated based off of a sight style level. Ie. close your eyes draw and anchor then open your eyes to see what the level shows, if your having to correct your level all the time you’re never going to achieve your best especially at farther distances.
Good video, but when I walk into my pro shop, it's either Mathews or Hoyt. All other bow brands don't really interest me too much. This year I think Mathews killed it. I will say, however, that PSE carbon bow is pretty sweet.
I think it’d be worth putting a few layers of tennis tape to eliminate grip bias but also take away the welding glove. That could allow the feel of vibration but not give it away with grip.
I know this video has nothing to do with fletching but if you go and look at the Arizona EZ Fletch boxes. Read step number 8 very clearly, like this comment when you see it. 😏
Need to do this at a target wall. By the time you get aimed at the target you have forgot what the draw was like 😂
That's a great suggestion
Super solid point
I agree...but with 3 shots out of each bow
This legitimately demystified the bow purchasing process... people are mostly basing their feel on their bias and whatever they hear from a shop / reviews. Very interesting experiment that should be explored more
Mmmmm, I don't think so. I've owned many manufacturers flagship bows and there are very distinct differences when you're actually shooting a bow rather just shooting for feel with a glove on.
Of course.. and many purchases are just made out of vanity...
Even without a blindfold James called the Elite a Darton 😂. On the first one he handed Josh lol
Not a waste of time awesome information as always you guys. Very awesome to see how close they all feel when taking bias out of it. Thanks again MFJJ and Bow disciples you guys are making a difference.
This is an incredible piece of experimentation, it really goes to show how much advertising, reviews and preconceptual bias to a manufacturer can play a huge part in how you perceive a bow.
Very interesting.
You should do a trial blindfolded but have a few duplicate bows as well. You might end up eliminating one while keeping the other.
Great cooperation and a test worth having in mind when shopping for a new bow. Many thanks guys!
Great content as always. You do a great job of eliminating bias in your videos anyway but this really shows how much preconceived notions everyone has. Keep it up. Enjoy learning from what you do!!
I very much like this kind of test! I think doing a letdown on each bow and then shooting can separate the bows more. I also agree with someone's previous comment about shooting at a target wall as well.
Love the let down idea
This is EXCELLENT. I want to go to my local shop and try this as the shooter. I haven’t shot any of the flagship bows in the past couple of years. I think it would be great. They’d go for it to this time of year not being very busy if I was planning to buy one.
Great series of videos, I would definitely be interested in more like this.
Very fun to watch keep doing experiments like this!
One of the best and funniest vid you make
Its unbelieve how hard is to feel a bow when the grip is gone
And how similar are all bows nowadays
A really nice test👍👍
I think this was a great idea and a great video. Look forward to more of them
Great vid!. This is how I been wantin to test for a couple years now!.
poor Pooh Bear. She may never recover 😆 Awesome content on this one lady & gents
Iconic test
Yes. More. Tat was very informative. Thanks.
Absolutely outstanding test
This tells me that all of these flagships bows are ALL good!!
Yes, just gotta find the one that you shoot well. Beyond the feel, it needs to be a bow you shoot well.
You should judge draw cycle right after draw, then balance while holding, then shot after the shot, then guess maker after handing bow away.
The 1st one seems to be Elite, not Darton
Awesome, and eye opening.
Great video idea
Very interesting video. Does a great job of eliminating bias based on brand by the draw cycle & shot. The only downside is when selecting a bow the grip & vibration can be important but the grip can give it away. Rather than a glove I wonder how it would go if you removed the grips & used tape or a wrap instead.
I think next time while doing this test, you should hook the the release to the string first. Then hand the release to the bow to the shooter, release hand before bow hand.
Love the content as always.
I like the thought of doing all the bows till you're left with one. You could do the test like an eye doctor. Shoot 2 bows and keep the better of the 2 until your left with the best feeling bow.
Its interesting, confirms they all build nice bows and it comes down to brand bias as well as what the shooter likes. I would be interested to see him shoot like 5 years of flagships from each manufacturer together in a similar manner. I dont think you could tell a difference. Bow industry does a great job at marketing and making you want the latest and greatest.
Do more things like this lol very entertaining and stats are interesting
I love this. I would love to see you guys shoot and rate one round then guess brand on a second round.
Darton twice ? Was the first bow really the elite ?
I think you’re right
Yes the first bow was the Elite 🤦🏼♂️
Oh this is gonna catch on like wild fire 🔥
Yeah this will be a major part of how I choose my next bow if my local shop will allow it.
I think this was a cool test. The next time I buy a bow I think I will test it blindfolded to eliminate the name bias.
Yea, do more of these. I thought you would get more right than James. Hey, but what do I know? Anyway, it was very interesting.
This tells the truth. From someone that shoots them alot and he can't tell. In my experience I know certain grips I have problems with shooting left.
He got the elite right !! Dude handing the bows didn’t know what the bows were lol
Just one thing being able to see which ones you got right an how you ranked them a bit better but these are awesome videos
Great test
This amazing Dan and Tim next!!!
Cool test
Another surprising factor is the weight. The carbon bows weren't distinguishable based on this. Granted, I dont know what those bows weigh compared to the aluminum risers but based on the material and the purpose of a carbon bow, I would only assume that they SHOULD be lighter...
Great video
I'd like to see this done for a newer shooter/buyer. Like here's a lineup, at x price point, blindfolded but no glove so they can feel what the risers doing... Elimination style, when you're done this is more or less the bow you like.
So fun to watch.
I would say use a rubber like dishwasher glove so you can feel the vibration better and you would be on what feels the best with out biases
I would like to see this..testing Carbon VS Aluminum bows.
Ya should have put a piece of aluminum in front of the target on the last shot and told him he shot his fridge….great content BTW.
Love it guys more people to do it and an elimination.. get all the guys in the shop to do it
Love it!!!
I think you need to do this with the bows set up but make sure you use the sight mounts the bows are made to use so a Pic mount or bridgelock and see if it changed the feel of the bow
Thanks 👍
This shows that there are no real bad choices. One thing that would be interesting would be a group test at like 50 yards. Get everyone to try so you have a few different shooters. 3 shots isn’t really enough though unless you’re using a hooter shooter
Don't forget James to tap dem jewels too🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲
I think a great idea would be to make a custom handle that can be moved to every bow. So that you have the same handle at the same angle. So that you can feel the vibrations. And the handle itself wouldn’t give the bow away. Since they all have the same exact handle.
Would it be possible to have the same handle on all bows, so that the glove isn't necessary. That way it would perhaps be possible to get a better feel of the vibration on the different bows. Also I like the idea of doing this at a target wall to eliminate the time between drawing and aiming.
In any case, thanks for doing this. Very valuable indeed. Keep it up guys!
great vid. why was the audio so biazarre though?
This is awesome
Entertaining. I'm gonna watch the recent videos from MFJJ, Bow Disciples, Tim Connor and Elk Shape rather the presidential debate!
You didn’t miss anything!
You need to do this with Tim or some one and just keep handing them the same Bow over and over and see if they can tell
If you could buy a universal grip and put on each bow so you could feel vibration but wouldn't be able to tell what bow it was due to a specific grip design then that would be interesting. Like if you could slap the ultraview grip on every bow then you could test vibration and draw cycle without giving away what bow it is right off the bat
The only thing they agreed on… Bear is the worst 😂
Put a sandbag or heavy board on the ground that you put you toes against. That way you're standing relatively the same each shot.
I think it was cool. It's definitely entertaining and informational at the same time. Informative I guess
that first bow did not look lke a Darton bow.Great vid.
Sounds like a mini series...who's next? Tim C. maybe for starters.
Very interested I like these videos
It would have been nice if we would have seen the name of bow you shot so we would know if you got it right and what you thought it was.
This really shows how people have favortism. If you see it and feel it, your brain says yes or no lol
You have 2 dartons was one a elite? if you look at the first bow shot and the 7th
Personally, i'd like to see you attempt Falconry afterwards......... or welding.
Maybe some tennis racket tape on the grip to hide the grip some but not vibration
If there was a way to make the grips on all the bows the same with some kind of 3d printed clip on grips then you'd be able to feel vibration.
I think you'll see much more difference in target bows. Hunting bows all draw pretty similar target is a different animal.
Target wall or closer to target next time. Too much time between draw and shot is likely why every score is so similar. Probably also too worried about shooting that nice fridge rather than concentrating on the bow, lol.
How many Keystones were involved lol. But great video
Let's go! 🏹
Hold on! VAR call. The first one was a Darton and the second to last also a Darton?
Josh good video without the grip feel makes the blindfold test more difficult. You made fun of James . But now you see what he tried to feel . But honestly I speak from my own personal experience. I never seen anything like that before. Good job guys.
It’s worth subscribing just for this video) In my opinion, guessing a bow model makes the assessment more biased, holding several models in your hands often won’t be enough gloves, so as not to recognize your favorite model, you need to use last year’s models, for example. I think the strength of such a test combined with the archer’s experience makes it as objective as possible, excluding marketing and personal bias. When checking the effect of medications, some patients may receive regular sugar in place of the expected pill, and neither he nor the creator of the medicine knows what and who received it, in order to eliminate bias in the assessment.
Why was there 2 dartons on the list and not an elite for bows , not guesses.. ??
The second “Darton” was the Elite
This is great I dig the elimination idea
So choose your ATA (if you need a specific ATA), then do this blindfolded glove test with a selection of bows...then find out if the grip on your top pick feels good i guess???
Also, I'm interested in both Hoyt AND Mathews for their weight reduction and increasing width of limbs etc etc...
But next bow will probably be a Bowtech for ease of tuning/tinkering...
Have an Elite Omnia, but probably never go Elite again just for all the issues the Omnia has had so far... ( I learned heaps about tuning/tearing down and rebuilding a bow from it, though...)
Looks like the PSI was pretty high also but not mentioned
You should mix in some mid priced bows and see if he can tell you
Interesting
Hilarious! Looks like fitting and selecting a bow should be evaluated and revamped, the grip should be evaluated based off of a sight style level. Ie. close your eyes draw and anchor then open your eyes to see what the level shows, if your having to correct your level all the time you’re never going to achieve your best especially at farther distances.
Spot on!
How did you not mess up your doo
Good video, but when I walk into my pro shop, it's either Mathews or Hoyt. All other bow brands don't really interest me too much. This year I think Mathews killed it. I will say, however, that PSE carbon bow is pretty sweet.
I think you should do 3 shots not just one
First bow was Elite, not Darton
I think it’d be worth putting a few layers of tennis tape to eliminate grip bias but also take away the welding glove. That could allow the feel of vibration but not give it away with grip.
A bad tradesmen blames the tool
I believe the first shot bow was an elite. Not a darton
I know this video has nothing to do with fletching but if you go and look at the Arizona EZ Fletch boxes. Read step number 8 very clearly, like this comment when you see it. 😏
What’s the word on Boonie orders
Matthew’s was the only one with a drop away rest just saying
First bow was the elite not the darton
It actually showed bias, because he said they all feel the same but he guessed the brand, then gave a score.
The first bow was a elite not a darton.