Cleaning Records With Glue, Vinyl Gong, Groove Burn, Wet Play and More!
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My thoughts exactly!
And in this case we also need more glue.
We sure do!!!!
I gotta be honest. There is something about the sound of a little dust crackle on vinyl records that is soothing and makes me happy. Brings me back to when I was a wee lad sitting around and listening to albums and 45’s with my older sister in the early to mid 70’s. It’s quite soothing to me.
Hi Fran,
Peeling off the glue should take about 5 - 10 seconds if you do these three things:
1. be extra generous with the glue at the outer edges (creates a nice, fat lip)
2. at the outer edge of the record, place a small piece (1cm x 1cm) of stiff cardboard onto the wet glue so you have a "pull tab" to start the glue removal process. Cardboard should overshoot the record surface so that you can easily grip it without actually touching the vinyl
3. be generous with the glue on the rest of the LP (looks like you've done this in your video... although I'm not sure it was evenly spread... ) - this will ensure that you don't have any thin glue spots that stick to the record
Long story long: a nice, thick, consistent layer of glue is what to aim for. I realize that your glue expenses are going to go through the roof, but life ain't always easy.
PS, I use my finger to spread and push the glue in the groves and don't perform this process on a turntable - any clean surface will do. Using your fingers also helps in obtaining that even layer of glue.
Best,
Robert
What's your opinion about the effectiveness of this glue method?
@@gravit0nable On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd rate it a solid 8.5... even 9.0 when you consider that the method leaves zero glue residue on the vinyl... cleaning methods that leave behind any residue whatsoever are completely worthless, IMHO.
@@gravit0nable It is hit or miss; about 50-50 for me. Also, use an old credit card or business card stock to spread the glue, instead of using a brush of some sort. You'll probably need to do multiple applications of glue to totally clean a side.
I usually don't use this method to clean records. Instead, I use a mixture of isopropyl alcohol, distillted water and a drop or two of dish soap for the washing solution and store it in a spray bottle. I thoroughly saturate and brush in the solution, scrubbing lightly to work it in the deep grooves. It'll dry out eventually. I also play my records wet and saturate the side I'm playing. I use a sponge brush to collect the excess that is worked towards the outer edge due to centrifugal force and squeeze the excess closest to the inside center grooves. It kind of recycles the liquid coating as you play the side you're cleaning.
The theory behind playing a record wet is that the majority of clicks and pops are static electricity, since vinyl is known to be prone to static build-up. By wetting the surface, you're displacing the dry climate, which prevents static from being created.
The glue method works well. You have to use yellow WOOD glue. It’s PVC based, identical to vinyl. Also, use a thicker amount, which is easier to pull away when it dries (obviously takes longer to do so). The nice thing about wood glue, is if you mess up and leave pieces on it from not being fully dried, just do the process again, because it will dry out with the new application. You can see lots of dirt in the negative imprint. Be prepared to run the anti static brush on it again.
Hey Fran, just wanted to let you know that I really like your videos! Nowadays, so many people call themselves "Nerd" or "Geek", but you madam are the greatest of them all. Kudos!
Totally, totally agreed.
Nothing sexier than a hot chick that knows what she's talking about.
Hello Fran!
One of my favourite bands, Ultravox, had a reputation for releasing records on clear vinyl throughout the 80s. Turns out this was no gimmick - they had asked for their records to be released on virgin (i.e. unrecycled) vinyl, and were told it was reserved for classical music only. It then dawned on them that clear vinyl by its nature can't be made from recycled returned stock, so they asked for it as a "gimmick" and the record company fell for it!
Saw Midge Ure's acoustic set recently, sheer class.
Keep up the good work!
Fran, Try a wood glue next time as they tend to be a little more cohesive and flexible. Theres a specific type that's recommended for this exact process. Also try using more so you don't get those thin spots where the glue stuck behind.
Yes. Lay it on a little thicker, and make sure there are no blank/thin spots. Have done this for years on used records. Wood glue might be OK too, but plain old Elmer's white glue works for me.
If you have thin spots of glue that won't come up put more thicker glue over the area and let it dry then it will pick up the thinner older glue.
No.
Yes, more glue, different glue, and thick at the edges
Sounds like you need to practice a few time to get it down.
I learned a lot of stuff with this one -- thanks, Fran!
Fascinating stuff there on the different manufacturing methods, and ways to test the density of the vinyl!
8:50 That's why you always keep your old turntable when you upgrade it with a new one.
Also useful for things like vacuuming the records.
Fran, you have the groove. Thank you for your compelling and informative video.
Thank-you. You just explained why some of my records sound distorted, and some don't. I have records I've owned since the 1950's that still sound pretty good, and some from the 80's that are all distorted. I checked them out, and sure enough, i can feel the label on top of the vinyl! Who knew?
That was a very entertaining and informative! I've been collecting records (I don't call them vinyls! Ugh!) probably for 40 plus years. I learned the difference between the "biscuit" 7 inch records from the cheap "Penny" records! I always wondered why there is such a difference in quality! Thank you!
you should View/Film a microscopic View of a dirty Spot in the record before and after glue clreaning. including a Close Up View of the glue Film surface. if This works anything good, there should be something visible. like dirt on the glue or deeper Grooves.
Hi Fran, Thank you for the very interesting and useful information. Bravo.
Dear Fran, I have missed you! Again, many thanks for your excellent presentation and production. Cheers David
instead of glue, but much more expensive, you could use silicone. Peter Brown on youtube did something similar by cleaning a surface with it, but I guess the glue still works. Maybe works better with a thicker layer of glue that isn't so fragile
You need to use one of the yellow glues, like Titebond, and put way more, like twice as much, on so you get a thicker coat that will come off in one piece.
If you use TiteBond II and spread with a business card, you can get it thin and it will dry quicker. Bring glue to edge and pull off with packing tape.
@@spencerm5913 Tightbond II is my glue of choice. I’ve done literally thousands of records over the past 10 or so years. It doesn’t dry more like a rubber but rather, peels like a rubber. It then dries quickly into a more brittle kind of material but by then, it’s already done it’s magic.
@@crosscatch Yes, exactly. And the more records I do on any given occasion, the better I am getting the glue thin and even. It’s kind of fun.
@@spencerm5913 Tightbond glue - label with red - dries very brittlely. When you try to pull it off, it is almost impossible to get simple few pieces. It’s a mess. I think I took it off by soaking it and a few tough pieces. Tightbond “II“ is the only way I’ve done it with successful results.
Fran , What an interesting and informative video on vinyl media. learned so much in this brief youtube. Thanks for your efforts.
Wow my compliment on your explanation. Many new vinyl lover will learn from your lessons. Thank you.
"We're hardly making 90% profit on that." LOL Hats off to you for that one.
I have just made a video with several before and after sound clips from cleaning with wood glue and record skin/disco film (the official product), and I also show how much glue I use. I can't post links here, so please search for "SOUND CLIPS: Record cleaning with wood glue and Disco Film"
Okay, I'll try then: www youtube com/watch?v=gE9tRGEYFMY
Fran, you're the best, the real deal. What a joy to watch! I learned so much this half an hour. Thank you! I think more glue will do..
Great video about Vinyl Records! Thank you so much Fran!👍🎼🎶
Every time I hear someone talk about vinyl records, it reminds me of my dad telling me how my grandmother smashed his copy of Bloodrock's "D.O.A." with a hammer.
Kelly02895 "we were flying low and hit something in the air...". -DOA Bloodrock
Is it just me? I have watched this video numerous times just because I find her voice so damn soothing!
She's like Debbie Harry without the make up.
I suppose... One way or another she's gonna get'cha, get'cha, ect... !!!
No, it's not just you. I subscribed to her right away. This lady has a charm...I just came across her today. Very informative stuff. She clearly loves the vinyl...
Very interesting as usual, thanks Fran.
great video, very informative. You're a Professor of Vinyl!
Fran, I can't sleep, and I love listening to you talk, and I especially enjoy that you talk about things I know nothing about. Thank you for making videos :)
If it wasn't mentioned before but best to use tight bond #2 glues the yellow stuff.
Yes, and remove the glue with packing tape instead of using the fingernail.
Love your choice of music!
Fran rules! I'm from Philly, born in '51. Live in Boston, working in Used Record Store. LOVE the Lenny & Squiggy you were holding. Saw them as a band (early Tap players) and saw them in early 70s as Anthony & Leonard as a comedy duo. While in the store, ocassionaly folks would mention cleaning with glue. We didn't dare attempt it in the store, but do know
of some who claim to have tried it. I remained curious, so this post helps my trust issue. Your expanations of those early 70s 45s, was great. I have no idea why it took so long to come across your posets, but I'm sure glad I did!
The "cheaper vinyl" records were actually made of polystyrene and injection moulded.
I remember those. Sort of brittle.
What these layers and artists don't get is that exposing music can lead to more sales.
There even are labels which put complete albums on youtube for this very reason, it bumps the sales when listeners can decide whether they like the album enough to justify buying them.
Or people just listen to uploaded tracks for free...both sides of the story.
@@AttilaTheHun333333 yes, but there are some people who knows that musicians and producers and even the execs at these companies should be paid for the work they do, and will purchase albums they enjoy for this purpose. Im like this. i listen to stuff online, if i like what i hear, i buy it to support the artist and the company that brought their music to the world. If the music is not out there for me to hear, i will not buy it. Pretty simple math for myself and im sure many others out there.
The better aurgumnt is for the listener actually owning a “hard copy” of the music. In most cases it is also providing better sound quality, i dont have to pay internet usage fees everytime I want to listen to it, and I get some professional printed liner notes. I am more likely to “re-discover” the music a few years later...and again- I can own a material source in my hand to be played on various system without a bunch of codec BS.
Because it is uploaded by the record label. The record label and artist gets the ad revenue. It may not be as much as a record sale, but it adds up quickly with a lot of plays.
I have using the glue method for more than 30 years. Using more glue is helpful when it's time to peel it off. Using more glue leaves no residue. And the dried glue comes off in one piece. Secondly, give it more time dry; in my room, I give it about 36 hours. This guarantees an easy peel-off. The majority of my records are virtually silent.
I have countless records which are 50 or more years old, and which play extremely well.
Wet playing also I have been doing for about 40 years. I use De-ionised water. This leaves no residue as tap water does. I dry the records with ordinary paper tissues. Once again, nothing to report.
Keep up the good work - it's always good to hear what you have to say on this subject.
Blessings, Daz x
Great video! I learned that if I need to use glue to clean records, I will never get back into vinyl! This makes washing records in the sink seem easy, and I never did that back when I had vinyl.
Hi Fran,
I just subscribed to your very interesting channel. You've passed on a lot of excellent information. By chance. have you done a video on how to treat a warped record?
I'm sure someone will think I'm ruining my records, but I used some lukewarm water and Ivory Liquid dish washing soap to clean my records. I would only use my fingers to clean the grooves, then rinse and dry with a soft, cotton towel. For some of the really dirty records from Goodwill, I used an old "soft" toothbrush to scrub the grooves. It worked like a charm! I used this method on a bunch of 45's I recently got at the thrift store. It didn't scratch the record and got rid of the dirt, dust and nicotine/cigarette smoke. Try it on a record you don't care about and see if this works for you.
Regards, Tom
Hey Tom, your cleaning method sounds pretty good actually, other than the fingers.
For warped records, this is a real crapshoot but what you can *try* is get yourself two CLEAN panes of glass 12" square, put the record in between as a sandwich, heat an ELECTRIC* oven to a minimal heat (say 150-180 degrees), let it settle and distribute evenly, then put the sandwich in there and let it cool all the way. Might need to do it multiple times. It might work, it might not (I'd say my success rate is 30-40% at best), and you'll have a disc that's been weakened by re-flexing, but hey you started with a disc that was unplayable anyway.
*can't use a gas oven, it will get too hot. The electric rheostat makes the electric more controllable.
If you go back over that same record with TiteBond II you'll get all the glue you left behind out
Big ups from Philly, Fran! Love what you do, thanks for the tips on the sticky brush! 🦆
Thanks Fran! :)
Interesting video.
Have a nice weekend.
Sticky rollers are most likely just a very soft durometer silicone rubber. New or clean silicone rubber is very tacky without any special process or conditioning.
I heard it was raw vinyl
i admit ... I was drawn to this video because of the 'wet-play' teaser ...
LOL.
Wet Play with Fran would have really got the numbers!
Great site. Lots of interesting information. Thanks.
I use Elmers Wood Glue to clean old records. I put a lot of glue on the surface to insure there are no thin spots that will separate during removal. I use the edge of a business card to force as much glue as possible into the grooves. Be sure to put enough on the outer edge to form a heavy lip which helps to get the removal started and also forms a heavy ring which the sheet of dried glue remains attached to.
@fran - I found this in a discogs forum from 7 years ago...from a user named brunorepublic (not my words)
Styrene is...
- lighter than vinyl
- labels are glued on, not pressed into the record (styrene records are injection-moulded, not pressed like vinyl)
- has a flat outer edge, instead of the sharp one you usually see with vinyl
- doesn't warp like vinyl, but breaks much easier, feels more brittle
- if you tap the edge, it makes a different sound, rings a bit unlike with vinyl which gives a dull thud (this is hard to describe)
- often takes on a "matte" look
In practice, the main difference is that styrene wears out *very* quickly! A styrene record played many times will develop a steady "shhhhhh" noise throughout. Slip-cueing will give "cue-burn" much faster than with vinyl. Elliptical and micro-line styluses, which give the best sound on vinyl, are particularly harsh on styrene and wear them down even faster.
Most US Columbia 7" singles are styrene, lots of A&M ones too.
It took me a while before I could easily spot the difference. There are no Canadian styrene 45s to the best of my knowledge, and I didn't start seeing them until I had a few US 45s in my collection.
www.discogs.com/forum/thread/335362
Well you've done it Fran. Taken me down memory lane to the bad old days of vinyl and the commercial shortcuts and business decisions regarding that form of media. I was big into "hi-Fi" and had only a few 45's in my collection. I did get a stack of Demo records from a Radio station DJ(the only kind back then)most of which you would have no copyright problems with as even the DJ wouldn't play them on air, so no lawyer/copyright collector for profit would have bothered to file it with TH-cam.
I note that you were handling the record surfaces with bare hands. We used to use cotton photographic gloves to prevent finger oils which would attract dust into the grooves. You did not mention that so many records had their audio so highly compressed that groove noise was below the minimum sound level. Indeed the "wall of sound " idea made much of popular music disc noise of no concern whatsoever.
It is the clean, crackle free background of digital that even gives typical listeners an idea of why records became obsolete. In the early days of digital CD's (very expensive), there was a competing method of record making that promised cheaper(but still expensive) LP records. It was "direct to disc" recording which omitted the many steps from studio multi-track, each track adding a layer of microphone, plus pre-amp noise and the editing tape with its cuts poorly masked, as well as the multiple sub-master pressing copies used to make most other vinyl records. It was the 'limited edition' form of record. The dynamic range was much greater, and the grooves cleaner by far with so-called virgin vinyl used.
Re-grind of old unsold records was a common practice for those cheaper records whether LP or 45. That was the reason they tried so hard to get the cost per disc so low. DJ's would not play records that were not pressed in sufficient numbers to sell, and some just did not sell. So they were ground up and recycled into becoming the 'next great hit' . I used to marvel at the people I knew who could actually hear the lyrics of popular songs on 45's that were so noisy I could hardly bear to listen, they had been played so many times with the same, by then chisel shaped needle.
I love my direct to disc records. The dynamic range on some of them is stunning. More than any CD I've ever heard.
Try Flamenco Fever on M&K records. I used to sell a lot of stereo equipment with that record. Unfortunately the price of that record has shot up on Ebay from about $17 when it was new in 1979 to close to $1000 today.
There was also direct metal mastering for vinyl, these sound very good.
Paul Gracey ,
Can't help but wonder sometimes...
dbx recording should've become mainstream...
Pre-requisites vs add-ons sounded great : just a switched / bypassed inline pre-amp style device that would have enabled as good as and better qualities than CD playback using an existing turntable-needle-cartridge combination. No need for a 2nd, dedicated turntable-cartridge-needle in lieu of the dbx pre-amp bypass switch when one wanted to play non-dbx recordings straight through to the power amp input or external RIAA pre-amp.
An industry manufacturer really should consider bringing dbx back at the front end of the recording-manufacturing process as I'd have to think there are many listener markets that would do backflips for it especially when competing in most homes for equipment space in a streamlined listening area by playing both existing vinyl libraries as well as obtaining new recordings with dbx benefits yielding attributes of both vinyl and early CD playback... before the loudness + lower dynamic range CD recording wars.
For example, I know there are enthusiasts worldwide in the video game vein of interest buying up video game OSTs on vinyl over CDs if they can afford it because of the included character art and notes.
... Comin' back around to wanting to own something too as opposed to renting access to the music but with the added benefit of having something to look at and flip through, maybe read alongside the related storytelling within the music.
I have 19 DBX records with a 21 decoder. They were exciting and a revelation when they were new but a good direct to disc record doesn't have the strange pumping that DBX has. Some DBX records sound pretty distorted also. I played several DBX records recently. To make DBX work the encoder and decoder must be much higher quality which may make it too expensive for most people.
being subbed to techmoan put Fran in my recommendations... its about time the youtube algorithm works for once
Once again a fantastic Video with excellent advice. Subscribed!
Glad I watched this. I've been gently lifting my brush and getting all that static cracle, but now I'm armed with superior brush flicking technique! :D
I’ve found that tip useful also.
would casting silicone work better, or maybe resin? It would guarantee that it would come off in one piece at least.
casting silicone is actually extremely effective at preserving small detail, down to the micron level even. Resin I'm not so sure.
Well, silicone doesn't stick to anything, so i doubt it will be as efficient as PVA glue. You could use more PVA, you could use some kind of thin cloth that would help it hold together, and i think D1/D2 PVA is more flexible and less brittle than D3/D4, but i could be mistaken.
Thanks for this video Fran -- I never knew about the different types of vinyl. I have a bunch of 45s that I am going to check to see if there are any of the cheap kind.
I also was surprised to see that you have to limit samples of only 10 sec to avoid copyright infringement. My understanding was that Fair Use allows excepts long enough to make a point when used in another work. With text, this could be whole paragraphs. I would think with audio it would be quite a bit more than 10 seconds, but that's just a guess. Does this 10 second restriction come from Google just protecting it's own butt or did some court case get litigated and the precident was set at 10 seconds? I know years ago ebay wouldn't allow sales of 35mm trailers to be sold and claimed it was a copyright issue, which was a totally false claim, but their lawyers just didn't want the possibility of a studio coming after a seller and tangentially involving ebay. Point is, it was a bogus issue from start to finish and later they quietly dropped the restriction. Fair Use would protect you from any claim by some copyright owner somewhere coming out of the woodwork. But I understand how no one wants to have to deal with that kind of hassle even if you are in the right.
I take it you didn't need to follow the 10 second rule for the Airman!! album because it didn't have a copyright notice? Probably too old to have a phonocopyright notice ℗ ?
Great video.
I think I love you.
On a serious note, I too collect old vinyl and after seeing countless youtube videos on the virtues of glue decided to give it a go.
It does work well, the trick to using glue is simply applying a ridiculously thick layer.
To remove any small patches that will not shift (where the glue was not thick enough) simply put a very good sized 'gloop' allow to dry and hey presto.
Keep up the good work, thanks.
Fran is an audiophile! Who knew? I am glad to learn this as there are very few of us in the world.
Lenny & the Sqiggtones is possibly my favorite album of all time.
Squigaphone
I have been under the impression that the 'ribbed ring' was to lock into the ribbed ring of the 45 beneath, when playing a stack of records. Cutting down the likelihood of the disc slipping on the one below.
David Marks Yes that's what I found. When I played a stack and a 'non ribbed' one was in the mix it just wowed and skated over the records below.
thats exactly what its for, so they dont slip when playing a stack of records on an autochanger deck..
Thank you Fran!!
I have finally found someplace to put my LOVE.
I wish I was 40 years younger. :)
UJ
GREAT TO KNOW! THANKS! Still have the Records when I was Kid. - looong time - Now to work on Turntable. oh yes, Clean Needle?
I loved this video. FYI, the song that you played was the opening song in Shawshank Redemption. As a kid, I had Radio Shack record cleaning fluid that I played the vinyl wet with, and dirt was actually coming off and clogging the needle. It was interesting that you you pointed out the difference between cue burn, groove burn and the cheap and better vinyl. RCA had the Dynaflex records and you pointed out that they probably copied the cheap vinyl from. The other interesting thing is now they make DJing cartridges that have a conical tip instead of an eliptical tip. You need a little more pressure on the conical tip, but the shape of the stylus actually wears the grooves out a lot less than the eliptical stylus. The eliptical styli have better frequency response than the conical, but I think that Ortofon DJing cartridges sound fantastic and won't break the bank. I tried the wood glue method of cleaning on a record that was really beat up. I think that it was just so bad and scratched that the glue separated and it took me a long time to dig the pieces out. As far as your military record goes, I thought it sounded better. I think if you wood glue cleaned it again and maybe put a couple thick layers and pulled it off again, I will bet that all of the remnants come out and your record will be as good as new. Even though it was still pretty scratched up, I thought it sounded considerably better. Thank you for sharing.
I think I recognized the group that did that song at 4:45. Sounds like the Ink Spots.
dri50 it was certainly the them, I’ve an original ep
I had a high end stereo back in 1975 and used soapy water to clean records and played them wet ,worked great and did not damage them
Vinyl is treasure. Thanks for tips on preserving it.
try to play the negative :)
That's what I was thinking the whole time!
you can actually get a stylus that has a 'v' groove for playing the stampers
Don't, that's how you summon the devil!
You can bet that some lawyer is using a stop watch to check if you exceeded the fair use length of playing the record.. crazy world
Decades ago there used to be a large public domain for music and film - now there is almost none.
How do these people make homemade Star Trek episodes and Star Wars movies and put them on TH-cam with the music from, the films and shows and sound effects and all that without getting flagged for Copyright Violation???
I was thinking the same. Loads of my vids got flagged and muted, yet loads of other channels have exact same music and they have had it running for years. I don't understand.
I think snippet's of music actually promotes and develops revenue. it's all a bit sad this 'fair use' thing.
"fair use" is fine. It's the overzealous copyright claims causing all the sadness.
Major kudos for having a copy of Lenny and the Squigtones on vinyl!
Thanks for the video!
Nice DJ Mixer!
Funny, she doesn't look gluish!
Oh great. That's all we needed. A gluish princess.
I wonder if she like raspberry jam
El Kabong
Happy Glom Kippur.
...Youse guys...!
Three things: A thiker layer may help . Never play that " negative" of the record, it has diabollical messages for shure . And last, but not least, nice to see your legs ! (Lol)
That was a very nice presentation! Took me two years to find it... Does anyone remember the LENCO cleaning system - it was a separate small tubic tone arm filled with diluted alcool and a wet soft brush. It was used simultaneously with the other tone arm - the soud was fantastic but... when the liquid dried up, playsing the record by itself was terrible - crackle and pops all over... you had to use the LENCO tone arm again to get good sound. It took me years to recover all the LPs I had subjected to this system by cleaning them with detergent and lukewarm water... Never used the system again.
Good to see you again, Fran.
The "cheap" vinyl" 45s were made of Styrene plastic. Yes, it was terrible material fidelity wise, and for DJs that back-cued records on broadcast equipment the nasty lead-in noise on these round pieces of crap ruined your show whenever they came up. Columbia/Epic/CBS, Chrysalis/A&M, Casablanca/RSO, Warner/Asylum were some of the labels that went cheap with Styrene. I remember Columbia was the most notorious. A lot of reissue labels used it as well. The only way around cue-burn was to put those titles fresh on carts or get the DJs to needle drop them at the right instant and then bring up the level. I can't get that issue out of my head and it's been over 35 years ago. I programed music for my H.S.'s radio station.
"Thuddy" is the word of the day.
Hi Fran just watched an old video of yours from a few years ago when you had jet black hair. I have been watching your videos for a few months and I am slowly going through your old video's I really enjoy your down to earth video's that we can all enjoy.
It was fantastic to hear someone talking common sense on You Tube. I made the comment to some who did a post talking about the quality of music and asking people to hear the difference and I made the comment about all the processing and equipment involved and me then hearing it through a computer.
I worked in the Hi Fi industry selling Hi Fi equipment in central London for about 25 years. The idea of using PVA glue is not new and although I have not tried it I preferred to use a sticky roller. Fortunately Hi Fi reps can be pretty generous and I was given a clock from the Dual rep which I immediately mounted on a pice of worktop with a hole drilled in it then I had no issues of applying weight to the record whist trying to clean it. The PVA idea sounded good and one advantage of having a platter would be that you can not only apply pressure but you can also apply large amounts of glue without worrying about getting it all over your working turntable. You can remove the platter and wash it along with the rubber mat.
I packed most of my LP's away many years ago and have played CD's since. I hope I will be able to get one of my many turntables out one day and listen to analogue vinyl again. It does sound better. Then all I have to consider is do I build myself an ultrasonic cleaner to clean LP's.
Thanks for a very informative video.
Love the video, @fran, but oh goodness I'm happy to not use vinyl anymore! ;-)
I bet if you try going back to vinyl you'll be hooked very quickly.
Nahh. Just use CDs that don't have LOUDNESS WAR on them! That's really what the problem is/was; not because... "uh, vinyl is better."
I find her incredibly attractive....and I'm 20 years old lol
Holy shit I just found out she's trans!!! Hey no sweat off my back...she looks so hot
Greetings from the UK! The PVA glue method can work quite well, but a couple of tips... dilute the glue 50/50 with distilled water to make it flow better, add a few drop of dishwasher rinse aid - this helps brake surface tension. With finger, rub the glue mix into the grove with a circular motion of the finger to drive the glue mix into the root of the grove, then spread the glue mix - as you did - with an object to even it out so it holds together when peeled off.
Glue works, but you have to do it the right way. It needs to be thicker, if it is too thin it will break into slivers. The old version of elmers used to work better because it was less watered down, the current elmers is very thin so it shrinks down a lot which is why you need it much thicker. Next after you put the glue down take a piece of scrap cotton fabric and put it on a part of the record so that the glue soaks into the fabric, Make sure one part of the fabric hangs off the side of the record, this is makes it easy to pull the glue off because you no longer have to pick at the glue you simply pull the fabric that is embedded into the glue. Lastly you want to pull the glue when you see no white which means it is still liquid... but don't leave it a long time because if you leave it too long it will become brittle... The trick is pulling it when it is a solid but not a hard solid.
Fran, you are _so_ cute! Do you like girls ? :-)
Love that you even asked. I'm here to see what a queenager can do with his original Suzi Q 45s.
One of my favorite videos on youtube! :)
I like your style Fran. You are very easy to listen too and you're very intelligent as well. Thank you for a pleasant video.
I'll be back soon.
Take care !
Good stuff Fran.Thanks.
Hi Fran. I've seen a few people mention you need wood glue. I used Titebond II on an old Nektar album I found in the used record shop and laid it on nice and thick with a bit extra at the edge. I spread it with a 2 inch paint brush (soft bristles, not foam) to make sure the glue was all the way down in the grooves, spreading in both directions. The glue came off all in one piece and really cleaned that album up nicely. I think you should give this a second chance, but with Titebond, not Elmers.
Thanks for sharing your awesome channel, by the way.
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Your great !
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lol salty trigger person :D keep going mate, you are just starting!!!!
I really admire your experimentation enthusiasm...
Nice to see someone else with a Pioneer PL-518, very solid turntable.
I really enjoy your channel, keep it up!
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I wish I had have kept my pl-518. I bought it at a place called Dixie Hi-Fi on clearance. It ran too fast. The sad part was, the control chip was not available as a separate part. I kept that turntable for 15 years and finally threw it away. Then I started checking with another distributor for something else and right at the top of the list of that stupid control chip that I was looking for. Probably literally six months after I got rid of the turntable. That was entirely my error.
Wow I'm enjoying your vids ..reminds me when a kid and just taking apart anything electronic..wires speakers old radios..I miss those old tube anything the smell..bit of hiss..miss those days..thank you fran..truly ..made remember my young curious mind.and still am!
You can measure if a cleaning technique is working: Make a .WAV recording of the unclean record, clean it, and then do another .WAV recording (with the exact same settings). Now align the second recording perfectly with the first, reverse the polarity of the second recording and add it to the first. The result is a playable .WAV that only contains the difference between the uncleaned and the cleaned record.
Micro fiber rag works very well with window cleaner, and play wet then wipe again afterward, let dry and put away. The stickey roller has a chemical in its composition to keep it flexible that can transfer into the PVC and can soften it.
Thanks, Fran. Nice. I'm going to try the glue method.
I've used an old school discwasher cleaner for years. It doesn't eliminate all the pops and clicks, but hey it's all part of the warm sound that records are known for.
Thanks for this, I heard about cleaning with wood glue but never got around to trying it. One of my old coworkers years ago mentioned it to me, along with adjusting the skating weight using an old laser disk movie. So much random information out there in the audiophile world that you never know what to believe ^^;;
This is my latest sub, Fran you're the best.
Get that record wet first. Not soaking wet, a fine mist and add a couple drops of dish soap to the mist water to lower surface tension. Use a new fresh bottle of glue, Tite Bond ll has a longer set-up time which means it has a little more water in it, that's good. The glue will form water bonds with the wet record and get deeper into the grooves, also tap the bottom while it's wet. Thicker layer than you used is ok, but two thinner layers is best. Let each layer dry a couple hours, perhaps adding a layer of damp coffee filter strips laid around the perimeter for structure and something to grab. Let sit for a day in a well ventilated area and Bob's your uncle.
Poly(Vinyl Acetate) is also used as a paint primer on drywall because it provides a quick-drying vapor barrier, so that a very thin layer of PVAc will keep the next layer of paint from soaking into the sponge-like drywall. It also helps differentiate between the never-dry joint compound and the always-dry drywall.
The sticky roller is very cool and sticks to stuff due to very low surface tension when clean. It's being used now in neonatal and burn care wards because it sticks on a very intimate level with no adhesive, is hydrophobic (repels water) and comes off without trauma to the skin. It picks crap up and rinses clean and sterile.
The wet record does a couple good things, it creates an atmosphere that slows two things, the physical and electrical separation between needle and record. I'm guessing here and would love to know more from you guys but as the needle bounces out of the groove due to dirt and Aunt Betty's mascara the signal is suddenly lost and a pop is heard, or crackle as the needle rides out the rough terrain. Ideally the liquid would be thicker, more electrically conductive and it turns out, conductive colloids are ideal, but not advisable.
I try to stick to what I know and that's what I like about Fran. Good job, liked and subbed.
Also check out Creative Commons and Content ID vs Copyright in TH-cam HELP. I don't think you'll ever qualify for fair use, because the music, specifically, is irrelevant to your purpose: cleaning records. Maybe play it backwards at a different speed.
As for static control, they do have anti-static mats for the turntable platen. Secondly, Diskwasher (RCA) did make a Zerostat (Milty) tool to help with static. I also used the Diskwasher vinyl cleaner. : )
I could listen to you all day! 💖😍💖😍💖😍💖😍💖😍
blaawwhh. That sent shivers down my spine, dragging the brush across the grain.
I was a record mechanic at Capitol records (many presses and many thousands of stampers and many more albums from each one), and also one of the oldest living vinyl collectors. I think Fran is doing a great service with her experiments with the vinyl. Plus, she has a nice voice and she's just cute and nice, and smart! I agree with one of the commentators that wood glue works better, but watch that you get it off correctly, or your record will be toast.
The sounds I get off my Dell desktop PC is fed into my Sherwood stereo receiver (500 watts) then to two JBL speakers, which have 18 inch subwoofers, 8 inch midrange and magnetic tweeters. Along with a second set of Realistic studio speakers with 10 inch subwoofers and 4 inch piezoelectric tweeters. It's enough power to vibrate the walls if needed. I get crisp highs and thunderous lows. And everything in between.
The smartphone has a Bluetooth speaker that gets kinda close to the home stereo system sound quality.
Wow I have so many 45's..well bought it when I got a house with gf..I appreciate this video..yes a dj since 86..I have thousands of albums 12's that I can't part with..love your vids just came across them..and looking now 🙂
Brilliant Fran. Love uour videos 👍
I use a little paper tab when doing the wood glue method. It gives you something to hold onto to start the glue removal
I always just used a clean cloth dampened with rubbing alcohol before every play. The more important part is to only play an entire record side at a time to prevent skips from wearing into them over time.
Everyone I knew just called an LP an album.