I am not an expert of down syndrome but have had a couple of employees with D.S. If kept within their abilities they not only can function well, but in my limited experience are some of the most trusted and reliable employees you can find. They truly love the work, are grateful appreciative, and thrive for the opportunity to contribute. In my limited experience they are also warm, kind, and very loving individuals. For society to judge whether they should have the right to life I find appalling. We are no better than they are!
@Lucky Catnip “No one gets to make medical decisions about the inside of someone else's body.” That is not true though. Roe vs Wade is not based on bodily autonomy it is based on viability of the fetus which we incorrectly thought was 26 weeks at the time. If bodily autonomy were a justification for killing a living human being developing within its own mother’s womb then even partial birth abortions would be permissible. Make no mistake society does determine someone’s right to life which is why tossing a new born into a dumpster because a mother doesn’t want to care for it is a crime. We, as a society, put such a high value on human life that there must be a just cause to take one. Why then shouldn’t the unborn have that same right?
@Lucky Catnip Respectfully, the point being there is precedence to someone ‘being forced’ to take care of their child. You are correct that once born it can be given up for adoption. The question then is does a mother have the right to exterminate their child merely because it has not been born yet. If so why? You seem to be claiming (correct me if I’m wrong) bodily autonomy as the justification. Let me ask you this then: do you believe that late term and partial birth abortions should be allowed?
@Lucky Catnip The same thing that happens as a result to society not allowing a woman to kill her new born. What happens if she does? Typically prison and physiological help. What happens to unwanted children and who bears the cost? Orphanages, foster care, and society. Being an orphan is far from ideal but better than the unjustified extermination of a human life imho. Who bares the cost of pregnancy? The one who got pregnant and the one who get her pregnant. That is called self responsibility. If someone cannot afford it our social services cover the cost. That answer already exists. What is the benefit to society for not exterminating a living human being without just cause? I trust you do not really need me, or anyone, to answer that question.
@Lucky Catnip No ma’am I must correct you. A) I use the word child because it is by all definition an unborn child. A child means human offspring which is exactly what is being aborted. I do not use the word to emotionally manipulate conversation I use the word because it’s accurate and far more truthful. If the word and emotions it provokes is troublesome then that should be reveling to you. B) I bring up late term and partial birth abortions to prove what should be an obvious point: the justification for abortion is not the right to bodily autonomy. It is a senseless argument. If you believe a woman should get to do whatever she wants with her body and anything inside it just because it’s her body then you would be in favor of even partial birth abortions. It is still inside her body. That is ludicrous and should even be part of the conversation though. It’s a mere distraction. We all have the right to bodily autonomy. That already exists with or without abortion. That right under current law comes with limitations however. The current laws of abortion (as you yourself have seemed to indicate) is based in the viability of the unborn child. This is the subject. Why then even attempt to bring bodily autonomy into it. It is a mere distraction if not a cop out itself. If I’m understanding your question correctly society cannot force a woman to have a child she is determined to exterminate. Even if/when abortion is made illegal again there will be some who tragically take matters into their own hands, break the law, and kill their unborn child developing inside her womb. That is the sad reality. Just as current laws of murder do not prevent people from killing each other.
I feel just as strongly about valuing the lives of people with Down Syndrome, but I disagree with her on prenatal testing. So many special needs children are born to parents who can't afford to take care of them. Prenatal testing can help ensure that children born with Down Syndrome have happier lives.
What a wonderful world it would be, without so many "experts" and more truly maternal women like Deborah Love Bradshaw. God bless you, Deborah and bless every child born with DS. They are perfect in their heart and soul. They bring a capacity for true love and devotion into a world full of the need for understanding and compassion.
I coached six athletes with Down’s syndrome. They were the most genuine, honest, giving, and loving people I have ever met. I look back on those times with great happiness. Fortunately they all had loving parents. My life was enriched by my interaction with them and they taught me lessons I have carried with me the rest of this life. I am a better person for having met and played with them.
People with Down Syndrome can do awful things just like anyone else. Even as children (I speak from experience). Let's finally stop calling them "angels"... if you can't see that then do you really know someone with DS?
The answer to down syndrome is NOT finding a cure or preventing it from existing, it's allowing people with the condition to thrive like anyone else and accepting that they have a role in society just as much as someone else
@@Rudytrue Down Syndrome is part of evolution for our survival, you don’t seem to know much about eugenics and genetics. History shows us the genes associated with “diseases/disorders” are what enabled human survival. Have you ever considered school taught you science fiction? Mutations are a process that provides enhancement in adaptability and accelerates the pace of evolution. The sickle cell mutation causes sickle cell anemia which is considered a disease, in the mid 20th century an African geneticist observed people with the sickle cell mutation are more resistant to malaria infections, those without the mutation are more susceptible to infections. The mutation is more dominant where malaria is endemic and becoming more popular. The sickle cell mutation is a defence mechanism against malaria by starving the parasite of hemoglobin. As malaria continues spreading, the sickle cell mutation will become more popular in the areas it spreads to. Eliminate the sickle cell mutation and all humans will have sickle cell anemia. You and the majority of people are following the work of Francis Galton and Adolphe Quetelet. These so called disorders are not legitimate disorders, and disability is contextual. Do you think it’s a coincidence these ‘disorders’ were identified during Galton’s life even though they had already existed for hundred of thousands of years? Why was homosexuality in the DSM, how could of it got there? Because all these ‘disorders’ are social constructions, man made which is why the diagnostic criteria is just a list of social biases. Average = Normal = Social What’s not considered normal, is not considered social, which is why homosexuality was classified as a pathological disorder. Disorder = Statistical deviation. This was not until the 19th century, look up the term “normal” and see it wasn’t in common use until 1840, and originally meant ‘perpendicular’. What have perpendicular lines got to do with humans? Variation is the rule, not the exception, Francis Galton turned that over with confirmation bias, it was not legitimate science.
10:19 The absolute disgust and sneer in her face and voice here, tells me all I need to know. What we're seeing here is a mother trying to rationalize and defend a bad decision, emboldened by a Christian mentality
I've met people who have disabilities from physical to intellectual. Talking to them and understanding and see what they go through everyday. I asked a friend of mine who has cerebral palsy; "Would you want your child to have the same issues like you"? "He said, no! Reason, the ability to finding love, work travel and enjoys life simplicity for an average person you take for granted is difficult and nearly impossible for someone in my position". "A child with disability could have a meaningful life but when they become conscious of who they are and what they desire to become, thats when the problems really began. Suffering, anxiety being judge by others. the creep of depression fogging the mind due to lack of social interaction and realising due to your physicality your options are limited". "Is it worth giving a life worth of unworthy of life"? A child is hard work from the day they are born till the day they leave the nest. Disabled child is a lot of hard work, mentally and financial. The biggest worry, whats going to happen when parents pass away? The best possible solution for the future genetic screening of embryos, better investment in healthcare reducing likelihood's of birth defects. For countries that a social in nature, compensation and concealing for mothers after the abortion. Sadly society is still unkind to the disabled and the best solution is to prevent then to cure.
So then, one opinion should decide for all ? Did you ever heard testimonies from HUMANS with Down syndrom ? Testimonies from HUMANS who are survivors from a failed abortion ? You may find it really odd but, apparently, they do not all have the same opinion as your "friend".
The problem with your statement, "The best possible solution for the future genetic screening of embryos, better investment in health care reducing likelihood's of birth defects." But that's not the plan is it? The plan is to abort these and all that are likely to have birth defects, and who will determine what is a birth defect?
Did you ask him if he would have preferred to be aborted??. We all hate being who we are at times, our lives, how we live, wishing it was better. I have a Nephew who has Cerebral Palsy and he is fine. Everyone is different whether you have a disability or not. So when they eradicate Down Syndrome, Cerebral Palsy etc by 'putting them down'. Who will be next?. Lets see!!. Some elderly, well arthritis can be a curse and cost the taxpayer a pretty penny on meds, Cancer patients, it would save on the Cost of Chemo, Lupus Sufferers! and the list goes on and on. Once you begin making excuses for killing it does not stop. So let us not begin and maybe help one another. Now there is a thought!.
@@ianalan4367 🤔 I'm trying to figure out how you did managed to completely misunderstood my comment ? I have never be willing to kill anyone in my life and I'm against abortion ! Unless you got the wrong comment ... maybe you should read my comment again.
What is value in life. Even the most prominent important figures are forgotten in time. Odds are (with a normal child), their life will be meaningless to the world as a whole. The only true meaning is the love they give to their very small group of friends and family members.
Why would we want to ethnically cleanse a population that brings happiness, joy and love to so many people? My sister Is down syndrome and she’s the light and love of my family and we wouldn’t trade her for anything.
I worked with David at a grocery store for a couple of years or so. He was always on time, worked hard, friendly and extremely trustworthy. Humanity loses if we lose them.
I understand some people are morally opposed to abortion and so are not in favor of the current trend reducing Down syndrome birth rates. But I’m really surprised to see how many people can’t untangle their feelings for individual people they know and love from the disability those people have. If we had the ability to cure DS in vitro, wouldn’t they want to? Plenty of other disadvantages can give people the opportunity to overcome adversity (severe poverty, depression, addiction, etc.) but we don’t therefore argue there is a place for these disadvantages in our society and willingly inflict them on the next generation. We seek to fix them. And if the claim is that DS comes with some set of advantages along with the disadvantages (like greater cheerfulness or a gentle character) that make it not so much a straight loss as a trade-off, wouldn’t it be morally neutral for people to start selecting for DS then? Wouldn’t it be fine if we tried to increase the incidence rate, or even maximise it? If such a social movement started to gain a foothold in your society, wouldn’t you resent the burden they were placing on everyone else by generating so many people who need extra support? Or if the DS birth rates were for some reason going down naturally, would you seek to reverse a natural decline in this condition? If it’s your wisdom that allows you to see DS as a hidden blessing, rather than your empathy keeping you from seeing it as a burden, would you accept an offer to make it so you were born with DS? If not, why is it good enough for the next generation but not for you? I’m glad the incidence rate of DS births is going down and I’m glad that we’ve come to cherish and esteem people with DS instead of the way they were historically treated. If these are the final days of humans living with DS, I’m glad we got that part right before we lost the chance.
honestly Im so glad europe is using common sense down syndrome is not a private issue when they need public funds to live and the parents should be allowed to end a pregnancy that results in a child that will never be able to live independently
So because they might not be able to live independently they shouldn't exist well then maybe lots of people shouldn't exist because there are lots of kids who don't have down syndrome who still live with their parents because it's cheaper than trying to live on your own just because someone might have a harder time being independent doesn't mean they can't be and it doesn't mean they shouldn't exist I think your comment is very narrow minded and kind of rude
@@wendydenning5709 having a preventable dna issue is different than just being poor. these kids with ds are permanently disabled often requiring inpatient round the clock care at a mental hospital. not to mention they often pass by 40.
@@nicoleagostini9245 I feel like you're basing your comments on assumptions have you ever met a person with down syndrome or any other disability for that matter like autism or spina bifda to be honest most parents of kids with a disability like down syndrome wouldn't put their kids in a mental hospital they might put them in a group home or some of those kids might have their own place like you're assuming that because mentally they're not as what you would call intellectual that there aren't able to work or live on their own they can they just need a little extra help like from their parents teaching them how to do simple things like you said I feel like your comment is made on assumptions instead of actual facts and knowing people that actually have the disease or disability
@@wendydenning5709 you just agreed these kids get sent to facilities (funded by the gov) you just used nicer terms in reality they are a burden on the state. Sadly bring a child into this world that has a deformity that can be prevented by a simple abortion is nuts.
@@nicoleagostini9245 well it looks like I'm never going to change your mind which makes me sad for you I don't see these people as deformed I see them as the way they were made maybe that makes me a nut and I'm not anti-abortion just so you know I'm just anti people being against people who are different
When we think we have the right to decide if someone else lives or dies, we put ourselves in God's place. America is repeating the same mistakes that have destroyed every obsolete culture of the past. I hope we will repent and turn back soon.
The fact that this is even in discussion truly shows how fall we’ve fallen as a species. This kind if act is wrong in any case, but especially went it’s done bc the parents 1) Hate personal responsibility and 2) Refuse to unconditionally love their child no matter what, which is the number 1 rule to good parenting.
Hi my name is Laura Jayne Williams I have Down syndrome that is part of me every Thursday after work I put on my headphones on and put music on, I sing I make people happy, or wave to me cause I feel included that's what I do. I was an earlier to walk, talk, even eat and read than average people with Down syndrome do that is just me. Everyone with Down syndrome is different in there ways I am very lucky to be here where I am now. I work at Pan Pacific a 5 star hotel in Perth. My parents are still fighting for me since I was a child or a baby.
@@veekay3158 And what is the difference between an unborn fetus and a person? Real estate? Many babies with Down syndrome are murdered at a point in gestation when they would be viable outside the womb. If the fetus is viable, terminating a pregnancy doesn't have to mean terminating a life. But the mother doesn't really care about terminating the pregnancy as much as she wants to kill the baby, So the whole "my body, my choice" flies out the window and what she really means is "my baby my choice" with many politicians pushing for the legal authority to kill a baby born alive and the legal authority to kill babies born alive during an abortion. It is wrong.
It will be a little better world. 1st- you don't bring a creayure to face all the difficults that comes from having a mutation. 2nd- States won't have to spend resources on special condition or schools for them. 3rd- parents won't have to spend their whole life taking care of a child with a special condition. If you know your child will come with such a mutation forget about the feelings. Have an abortion and adopt from healthy parents.
as they are going with genetic modification maybe we will not abort but the future humans would be like machines stronger , smarter etc no defects but we will see is that immoral maybe but it is up for debate
Maybe you've not been there, so it's difficult to believe. At Least, she's admitted it had not been all roses. That, there's been serious challenges right from the beginning and for years.
I am not an expert of down syndrome but have had a couple of employees with D.S. If kept within their abilities they not only can function well, but in my limited experience are some of the most trusted and reliable employees you can find. They truly love the work, are grateful appreciative, and thrive for the opportunity to contribute. In my limited experience they are also warm, kind, and very loving individuals. For society to judge whether they should have the right to life I find appalling. We are no better than they are!
Ian Alan thank you I’ve seen people advocate for genocide of People with DS.
@Lucky Catnip “No one gets to make medical decisions about the inside of someone else's body.”
That is not true though. Roe vs Wade is not based on bodily autonomy it is based on viability of the fetus which we incorrectly thought was 26 weeks at the time. If bodily autonomy were a justification for killing a living human being developing within its own mother’s womb then even partial birth abortions would be permissible. Make no mistake society does determine someone’s right to life which is why tossing a new born into a dumpster because a mother doesn’t want to care for it is a crime. We, as a society, put such a high value on human life that there must be a just cause to take one. Why then shouldn’t the unborn have that same right?
@Lucky Catnip Respectfully, the point being there is precedence to someone ‘being forced’ to take care of their child. You are correct that once born it can be given up for adoption. The question then is does a mother have the right to exterminate their child merely because it has not been born yet. If so why? You seem to be claiming (correct me if I’m wrong) bodily autonomy as the justification. Let me ask you this then: do you believe that late term and partial birth abortions should be allowed?
@Lucky Catnip The same thing that happens as a result to society not allowing a woman to kill her new born. What happens if she does? Typically prison and physiological help. What happens to unwanted children and who bears the cost? Orphanages, foster care, and society. Being an orphan is far from ideal but better than the unjustified extermination of a human life imho. Who bares the cost of pregnancy? The one who got pregnant and the one who get her pregnant. That is called self responsibility. If someone cannot afford it our social services cover the cost. That answer already exists. What is the benefit to society for not exterminating a living human being without just cause? I trust you do not really need me, or anyone, to answer that question.
@Lucky Catnip No ma’am I must correct you. A) I use the word child because it is by all definition an unborn child. A child means human offspring which is exactly what is being aborted. I do not use the word to emotionally manipulate conversation I use the word because it’s accurate and far more truthful. If the word and emotions it provokes is troublesome then that should be reveling to you. B) I bring up late term and partial birth abortions to prove what should be an obvious point: the justification for abortion is not the right to bodily autonomy. It is a senseless argument. If you believe a woman should get to do whatever she wants with her body and anything inside it just because it’s her body then you would be in favor of even partial birth abortions. It is still inside her body. That is ludicrous and should even be part of the conversation though. It’s a mere distraction. We all have the right to bodily autonomy. That already exists with or without abortion. That right under current law comes with limitations however. The current laws of abortion (as you yourself have seemed to indicate) is based in the viability of the unborn child. This is the subject. Why then even attempt to bring bodily autonomy into it. It is a mere distraction if not a cop out itself.
If I’m understanding your question correctly society cannot force a woman to have a child she is determined to exterminate. Even if/when abortion is made illegal again there will be some who tragically take matters into their own hands, break the law, and kill their unborn child developing inside her womb. That is the sad reality. Just as current laws of murder do not prevent people from killing each other.
I feel just as strongly about valuing the lives of people with Down Syndrome, but I disagree with her on prenatal testing. So many special needs children are born to parents who can't afford to take care of them. Prenatal testing can help ensure that children born with Down Syndrome have happier lives.
She's just rich. And so is his son. Rich people can get their full potential. Not all of them do. But they can.
If you're not rich, then good luck.
What a wonderful world it would be, without so many "experts" and more truly maternal women like Deborah Love Bradshaw. God bless you, Deborah and bless every child born with DS. They are perfect in their heart and soul. They bring a capacity for true love and devotion into a world full of the need for understanding and compassion.
Boact with Daddy & mommy
Atoaf with Grandpa & Grandma
Massey with together
I coached six athletes with Down’s syndrome. They were the most genuine, honest, giving, and loving people I have ever met. I look back on those times with great happiness. Fortunately they all had loving parents. My life was enriched by my interaction with them and they taught me lessons I have carried with me the rest of this life. I am a better person for having met and played with them.
People with Down Syndrome can do awful things just like anyone else. Even as children (I speak from experience). Let's finally stop calling them "angels"... if you can't see that then do you really know someone with DS?
The answer to down syndrome is NOT finding a cure or preventing it from existing, it's allowing people with the condition to thrive like anyone else and accepting that they have a role in society just as much as someone else
No
@@Rudytrue
Down Syndrome is part of evolution for our survival, you don’t seem to know much about eugenics and genetics.
History shows us the genes associated with “diseases/disorders” are what enabled human survival. Have you ever considered school taught you science fiction? Mutations are a process that provides enhancement in adaptability and accelerates the pace of evolution.
The sickle cell mutation causes sickle cell anemia which is considered a disease, in the mid 20th century an African geneticist observed people with the sickle cell mutation are more resistant to malaria infections, those without the mutation are more susceptible to infections. The mutation is more dominant where malaria is endemic and becoming more popular. The sickle cell mutation is a defence mechanism against malaria by starving the parasite of hemoglobin. As malaria continues spreading, the sickle cell mutation will become more popular in the areas it spreads to. Eliminate the sickle cell mutation and all humans will have sickle cell anemia.
You and the majority of people are following the work of Francis Galton and Adolphe Quetelet. These so called disorders are not legitimate disorders, and disability is contextual. Do you think it’s a coincidence these ‘disorders’ were identified during Galton’s life even though they had already existed for hundred of thousands of years?
Why was homosexuality in the DSM, how could of it got there? Because all these ‘disorders’ are social constructions, man made which is why the diagnostic criteria is just a list of social biases.
Average = Normal = Social
What’s not considered normal, is not considered social, which is why homosexuality was classified as a pathological disorder.
Disorder = Statistical deviation.
This was not until the 19th century, look up the term “normal” and see it wasn’t in common use until 1840, and originally meant ‘perpendicular’. What have perpendicular lines got to do with humans? Variation is the rule, not the exception, Francis Galton turned that over with confirmation bias, it was not legitimate science.
Disagree with your first part, agree with the second part. If there's a cure, why not?
You’re not the one who has to live with it.
10:19 The absolute disgust and sneer in her face and voice here, tells me all I need to know. What we're seeing here is a mother trying to rationalize and defend a bad decision, emboldened by a Christian mentality
No hate like christian love
Its legal to abort a baby with Down-Syndrome at any stage of pregnancy in some parts of my country.
I've met people who have disabilities from physical to intellectual. Talking to them and understanding and see what they go through everyday. I asked a friend of mine who has cerebral palsy; "Would you want your child to have the same issues like you"?
"He said, no! Reason, the ability to finding love, work travel and enjoys life simplicity for an average person you take for granted is difficult and nearly impossible for someone in my position". "A child with disability could have a meaningful life but when they become conscious of who they are and what they desire to become, thats when the problems really began. Suffering, anxiety being judge by others. the creep of depression fogging the mind due to lack of social interaction and realising due to your physicality your options are limited".
"Is it worth giving a life worth of unworthy of life"?
A child is hard work from the day they are born till the day they leave the nest. Disabled child is a lot of hard work, mentally and financial. The biggest worry, whats going to happen when parents pass away?
The best possible solution for the future genetic screening of embryos, better investment in healthcare reducing likelihood's of birth defects. For countries that a social in nature, compensation and concealing for mothers after the abortion.
Sadly society is still unkind to the disabled and the best solution is to prevent then to cure.
So then, one opinion should decide for all ?
Did you ever heard testimonies from HUMANS with Down syndrom ? Testimonies from HUMANS who are survivors from a failed abortion ?
You may find it really odd but, apparently, they do not all have the same opinion as your "friend".
The problem with your statement, "The best possible solution for the future genetic screening of embryos, better investment in health care reducing likelihood's of birth defects." But that's not the plan is it? The plan is to abort these and all that are likely to have birth defects, and who will determine what is a birth defect?
Did you ask him if he would have preferred to be aborted??. We all hate being who we are at times, our lives, how we live, wishing it was better. I have a Nephew who has Cerebral Palsy and he is fine. Everyone is different whether you have a disability or not. So when they eradicate Down Syndrome, Cerebral Palsy etc by 'putting them down'. Who will be next?. Lets see!!. Some elderly, well arthritis can be a curse and cost the taxpayer a pretty penny on meds, Cancer patients, it would save on the Cost of Chemo, Lupus Sufferers! and the list goes on and on. Once you begin making excuses for killing it does not stop. So let us not begin and maybe help one another. Now there is a thought!.
@@liettebowes8263 Blessings!
@@ianalan4367 🤔 I'm trying to figure out how you did managed to completely misunderstood my comment ? I have never be willing to kill anyone in my life and I'm against abortion ! Unless you got the wrong comment ... maybe you should read my comment again.
The number of abortions today has no bearing on the number of conceptions tomorrow. Only if DS fetuses are never conceived would it be eradication.
What is value in life. Even the most prominent important figures are forgotten in time. Odds are (with a normal child), their life will be meaningless to the world as a whole. The only true meaning is the love they give to their very small group of friends and family members.
Well said
Why would we want to ethnically cleanse a population that brings happiness, joy and love to so many people? My sister Is down syndrome and she’s the light and love of my family and we wouldn’t trade her for anything.
Because it’s right
@@Rudytrue Based opinion
Sorry but abortion is necessary humanity should strive to make humanity a better race. Science to create the ultimate soldier.
because most of them are a burden on society
I worked with David at a grocery store for a couple of years or so. He was always on time, worked hard, friendly and extremely trustworthy. Humanity loses if we lose them.
I understand some people are morally opposed to abortion and so are not in favor of the current trend reducing Down syndrome birth rates. But I’m really surprised to see how many people can’t untangle their feelings for individual people they know and love from the disability those people have. If we had the ability to cure DS in vitro, wouldn’t they want to? Plenty of other disadvantages can give people the opportunity to overcome adversity (severe poverty, depression, addiction, etc.) but we don’t therefore argue there is a place for these disadvantages in our society and willingly inflict them on the next generation. We seek to fix them. And if the claim is that DS comes with some set of advantages along with the disadvantages (like greater cheerfulness or a gentle character) that make it not so much a straight loss as a trade-off, wouldn’t it be morally neutral for people to start selecting for DS then? Wouldn’t it be fine if we tried to increase the incidence rate, or even maximise it? If such a social movement started to gain a foothold in your society, wouldn’t you resent the burden they were placing on everyone else by generating so many people who need extra support? Or if the DS birth rates were for some reason going down naturally, would you seek to reverse a natural decline in this condition? If it’s your wisdom that allows you to see DS as a hidden blessing, rather than your empathy keeping you from seeing it as a burden, would you accept an offer to make it so you were born with DS? If not, why is it good enough for the next generation but not for you?
I’m glad the incidence rate of DS births is going down and I’m glad that we’ve come to cherish and esteem people with DS instead of the way they were historically treated. If these are the final days of humans living with DS, I’m glad we got that part right before we lost the chance.
It's not curing to kill the baby. That's not curing. It's eugenics.
Well said
honestly Im so glad europe is using common sense down syndrome is not a private issue when they need public funds to live and the parents should be allowed to end a pregnancy that results in a child that will never be able to live independently
So because they might not be able to live independently they shouldn't exist well then maybe lots of people shouldn't exist because there are lots of kids who don't have down syndrome who still live with their parents because it's cheaper than trying to live on your own just because someone might have a harder time being independent doesn't mean they can't be and it doesn't mean they shouldn't exist I think your comment is very narrow minded and kind of rude
@@wendydenning5709 having a preventable dna issue is different than just being poor. these kids with ds are permanently disabled often requiring inpatient round the clock care at a mental hospital. not to mention they often pass by 40.
@@nicoleagostini9245 I feel like you're basing your comments on assumptions have you ever met a person with down syndrome or any other disability for that matter like autism or spina bifda to be honest most parents of kids with a disability like down syndrome wouldn't put their kids in a mental hospital they might put them in a group home or some of those kids might have their own place like you're assuming that because mentally they're not as what you would call intellectual that there aren't able to work or live on their own they can they just need a little extra help like from their parents teaching them how to do simple things like you said I feel like your comment is made on assumptions instead of actual facts and knowing people that actually have the disease or disability
@@wendydenning5709 you just agreed these kids get sent to facilities (funded by the gov) you just used nicer terms in reality they are a burden on the state. Sadly bring a child into this world that has a deformity that can be prevented by a simple abortion is nuts.
@@nicoleagostini9245 well it looks like I'm never going to change your mind which makes me sad for you I don't see these people as deformed I see them as the way they were made maybe that makes me a nut and I'm not anti-abortion just so you know I'm just anti people being against people who are different
When we think we have the right to decide if someone else lives or dies, we put ourselves in God's place. America is repeating the same mistakes that have destroyed every obsolete culture of the past. I hope we will repent and turn back soon.
pro choice gang
The fact that this is even in discussion truly shows how fall we’ve fallen as a species. This kind if act is wrong in any case, but especially went it’s done bc the parents 1) Hate personal responsibility and 2) Refuse to unconditionally love their child no matter what, which is the number 1 rule to good parenting.
2017 and not many views.....makes you wonder
Hi my name is Laura Jayne Williams I have Down syndrome that is part of me every Thursday after work I put on my headphones on and put music on, I sing I make people happy, or wave to me cause I feel included that's what I do. I was an earlier to walk, talk, even eat and read than average people with Down syndrome do that is just me. Everyone with Down syndrome is different in there ways I am very lucky to be here where I am now. I work at Pan Pacific a 5 star hotel in Perth. My parents are still fighting for me since I was a child or a baby.
Keep rocking on
What is the difference between termination and genocide?
Whether or not world leaders care about those killed
Whether or not it involves an unborn fetus or a person.
@@veekay3158 And what is the difference between an unborn fetus and a person? Real estate? Many babies with Down syndrome are murdered at a point in gestation when they would be viable outside the womb. If the fetus is viable, terminating a pregnancy doesn't have to mean terminating a life. But the mother doesn't really care about terminating the pregnancy as much as she wants to kill the baby, So the whole "my body, my choice" flies out the window and what she really means is "my baby my choice" with many politicians pushing for the legal authority to kill a baby born alive and the legal authority to kill babies born alive during an abortion. It is wrong.
It will be a little better world.
1st- you don't bring a creayure to face all the difficults that comes from having a mutation.
2nd- States won't have to spend resources on special condition or schools for them.
3rd- parents won't have to spend their whole life taking care of a child with a special condition.
If you know your child will come with such a mutation forget about the feelings. Have an abortion and adopt from healthy parents.
Have you ever known anyone with Downs Syndrome?
Well said
The answer isn’t earlier genetic testing to end the pregnancy; the answer is finding a cure
Just seen you on the Tony Robbins challenge..great story!! God bless!!
differences keep us going
Why are people so scared of different people!!! Disability is not a death sentence.
Abortion is barbaric...anomalies or not. My hope is that 100 years from now we look upon abortion as we do slavery (also barbaric).
as they are going with genetic modification maybe we will not abort but the future humans would be like machines stronger , smarter etc no defects but we will see is that immoral maybe but it is up for debate
I'd prefer abortion compared to Downs Syndrome.
I sure wouldnt want a kid like that. Mine is an honor roll student.
hahaha in 100 years abortion will be LEGAL worldwide whether you (I guess a male person) are against it
This "talk" is biased TED
Everything is biased...
All "talks" should come from the perspective of experience... or they really would not know, truly KNOW, what they were really talking about!
That is why it is TEDx, not TED.
Maybe you've not been there, so it's difficult to believe. At Least, she's admitted it had not been all roses. That, there's been serious challenges right from the beginning and for years.
Cope