Jordan Peterson HUMBLY Destroys Atheism (10 Minute Brilliancy!)
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- Jordan Peterson sits down with atheist Susan Blackmore and Susan asserts that we don’t need God to have gratitude and meaning in life, but Jordan Peterson contests her.
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I was an Uber driver at some point, one day I picked up a female rider who told me she use to have really bad seizures. On one occasion, she felt she was going to die and recalled a friend told her to call Jesus Christ for help in time of need, she did and a voice told her " I was waiting for you all the while". It stopped and that was the last seizure she ever had.
I was delighted to hear her story because I was healed of Ulcer as a child by the same person. Jesus Christ is King.
🙏Amen!
God bless
This is such a power testimony it shakes me to my very core
Adorable. A shame that all of this is made up.
Bring back the king!
I was an atheist for 20 years. Accepting the truth of GOD was the greatest thing I ever did. Thank you Lord. ✝️♥️
Amen.. me too. Nothing good happened when I was an atheist. I was angry, and scared all the time. I didn't know about God and his love for us.
There is often a decline in your mental capability as you age.
Do you accept what the church says about God?
Amen
@truthgiver8286 fortunately our souls don't.
I wish Jordan could finish a sentence here
What can you expect from a blue haired granny??? Interrupting is part of being a leftist.
That's the self-important nature of most atheists "my perception matters more than anything"
His patience in this clip is impressive...
Would it matter?
@@andreim656 I would have liked to have heard his responses before the lady spoke over him again
she was so desperate to defend her pointless existence, it made me sad
Lol it is very sad actually.
Praying to a nonexistent God is a lot more pointless. But “pointless” is subjective. You are sad because she isn’t doing something that personally makes you happy. She isn’t living for you.
@@DolphinWithIgloo-fg3ow why so sensitive? Someone needs to get a grip or maybe find God.
@@cristinaxo I’m not the one feeling sad over something that someone does to bring them joy. But you get an A for projection.
Our pointless existence shouldn't make you sad, you should just make up your own reason for being, and your own meaning. Look at the Japanese, you can't look at their Godless existence and call them pointless! This chick is a bad example of how to argue for Atheism and that's pretty well understood, I wouldn't take really anything from this conversation as something that interesting. Look to conversations with Alex O'Connor vs Jordan, that one was way better.
This reminds me of a man. I worked at an insurance company and every other week Tim would come in and he was the worst person possible. I dont know how my boss dealt with him honestly. He smoked, drank, had the worst mouth on earth, and always cussed about the prices he had to pay. I left the company but was still friends with my boss and he told me this a few weeks ago. He said - Hey do you remember Tim? I said yea how could I forget him, and he told me this happened. He said that Tim walked into his office a few months prior to us talking and he had a big grin on his face and a CASE of bibles. My friend asked him what's up. Tim said in one day - his wife left him, his daughter refused to talk to him and disowned him, he lost his house to the bank, and he found out he had cancer. All in one day! Tim went home (that was being repossessed) went into the bathroom, put the gun in his mouth as was going to kill himself because he didn't have any meaning in his life anymore. He looked up into the mirror with the gun in his mouth and there was a man standing behind him in the mirror. The man asked Tim "What are you doing?" Tim wasn't startled as I would have been but replied back with "I'm going to kill myself! I have nothing to live for anymore, I have nothing, and no one wants me." The man said back to Tim, "You are wrong - Jesus wants you." Tim said he looked down into the sink and took the gun out of his mouth; looked back up into the mirror and the man was gone. That was Friday night. Tim said he spent all day Saturday thinking about that man, and his life. Then on Sunday he went to church and got saved. In the events that followed. His wife still left him, his daughter still disowned him, he still lost his house (was losing but the bank let him keep his house since he was dying), and he was still dying of cancer. BUT, after being saved he bought case after case of bibles and stood on the street corner professing Gods love and telling everyone who would listen about what happened to him as he gave out bibles. The day he came into the office and told this story he gave out bibles to everyone in the building that wanted one. It was incredible because we knew who that man was before he got saved. Then he left in a hurry to try and give out as many bibles as he could. (that's how Tim put it, he was in a hurry). Tim passed away about 2 weeks after that visit at the age of 71. Tim graciously had to lose it all to find God and meaning in life.
I’m crying as I read this, what a testament of Gods saving grace!
@@tbong9293 When he told me the story, I too was amazed. The guy was really really bad. And to hear how he was after the visitor (he never called him Jesus), truly unbelievable. Good is not only good, but awesome.
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Fantastic story! Praise GOD for His Mercy and Long Suffering with all of us!
God bless his soul. May he rest in peace. May perpetual light shine upon him. May his soul and the souls of the faithful departed through the Mercy of God rest in peace, Amen.
Thank you for this beautiful story.
She's a talker not a listener
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True. She’s very rude about it too. She’ll NEVER learn with that characteristic!
@@alexrodgers9247 she's not in it to learn.
She loves herself so much she just doesn't care what anybody says
wtf
Humans are so human lol
@@mnrsteeljoutafel Thus the scriptures I laid out fit her perfectly.
“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.” - John 15:18
In which manner is this passage meaningful to you? Please elaborate.
@@TheoSkeptomaiEvery manner. Which manner is it not meaningful to you?
@shawnsmith8731 It hasn't any _rational_ meaning to me.
HOW exactly does a WORLD hate a person? Please explain.
@@shawnsmith8731 No response? Color me surprised!
@Nothing_means_nuthin "The world" = "a narcissist." OK. Noted.
This woman wouldn’t even let him talk. This isn’t even a debate
Jordan can just let her talk so everyone can hear she's a "educated" air-head!
To let him talk is to break the altar she built for herself. She is her own god.
When this first came out I pointed out repeatedly that this was a total beatdown. She was not used to speaking with someone at Jordan's level.
She always had an attitude problem.
@@FaizelMoosa-og3yl she lives a few streets away in Bristol, her husband is a one time BBC science presenter; Adam Hart Davis, she hasnt got a clue - God help her uni students; had her first out of body exp. while smokin weed
@@ChristWord-f3r I don't suppose you see the irony of using the term 'she hasn't got a clue', while believing in a made-up sky fairy for which you can provide not one iota of evidence for its existence, other than spew forth the usual religious psychobabble word salad.
I like Jordan. He can't do anything to atheism at all, though. I don't buy the nonsense you do. End of.
I am grateful that I can wake up in the morning and give thanks to God.
Which gods are YOU thanking? There are over 3,000 gods.
@arthurplant5962 there's only one and every knee shall bow❤
@@mnrsteeljoutafel Prove it?
@@mnrsteeljoutafel Even the bible said there are other gods.
@@arthurplant5962if you’re going to intentionally misinterpret what the Bible says then you really should expect anyone to take your questions seriously.
She is an atheist teacher, very common nowadays. Unfortunatelly my daughter was mocked for being a Christian while in High School and still is at university.
everybody is mocked for something at high school, who the fuck cares?
"unfortunrtlly"? 🤔 More power to your daughter. "blessed are thy when people reject... you because of me" 🙏💪📖🔥❣️
I do@@theincrediblefishsandwich2162
@@theincrediblefishsandwich2162 When people follow Satan they will do their utmost to destroy you. The weak spirited embrace Satan's way.
@@williamelanningjr5440 I shall give that reply the respect and response it deserves.
That was a fucking stupid thing to say in public.
If everything is meaningless what's the the point of having gratitude or even living for that matter. The blue hair gave it away.
Are you being serious? Or are you just a poe trying to make Christians look bad. Hey, they don't need your help! :)
@@Bill_GarthrightWhen you’re here commenting under every single response here. If you were so secure, you wouldn’t feel the need to obsessively comment here. Atheists strengthen my faith in Jesus. I will believe In Him until my dying breath. Don’t listen to these non believers.
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And if _you_ were secure in your beliefs, you'd be willing to talk to an atheist about this stuff. But Christians and Muslims alike seem absolutely _terrified_ of actually talking to an atheist. Why? Well, that's because I'm going to ask you for evidence, huh?
There is no point, we have just evolved to derive meaning from the world around us. Also, lots of people decide life isn't worth living, and choose to end their life prematurely - what does that say about the meaning of life?
@Treesandmountains thanks. I’m still rooted and grounded by love, I just haven’t seen anything convincing enough to make me think I’m here because of something supernatural.
Of course she has green blue hair 😂
Relax Bill 💙 no one is good but God. @@Bill_Garthright
@@Bill_Garthright I listened to every word she said but still didn't care. She's just a typical deluded athiest narcissist who can't grasp anything outside of the material realm.
Hahahahahaha
@@Bill_Garthright In today's age, blue and green hair have nothing to do with fashion but with the external expression of political and religious beliefs. Her words confirm the external expression, so that expression is not a surprise.
AND a very old fashioned “Karen” hair cut. Billy boy Garthright (below), just because someone comments on hair, clothing…means NOT that we haven’t heard their words, sentiments, and their heart. We’re just quicker on the uptake to understand her unstable stance. We know her faulty arguments already. She stereotypes herself.
Imagine lying on your deathbed, reflecting on your life and realizing all you did was live for yourself. No purpose or meaning at all. Its a sad reality for most.
Agree! ❤
What is a "meaning"? What is a question? 😊
Imagine being on this bed, and telling yourself: i am glad i had enought knowledge to know that life is meaningless, and still being happy, it would be such a shame to realise that i lie to myself all my life... you have to be stupid to believe that b.s.
Everyone is born for purpose, even if one cannot see that.
@@markbielak5259 agree!! I Would Have to question to Ask A Person to Look at all the Features each creature has and What Their Made for. Each Creatures Design. What ARE They doing? And What’s THEIR Design. We Too were created for and To Do something.
The atheist makes a point to say the universe is pointless - and doesn't detect the self-defeating nature of her statement.
In other words, she is pointless.
There's nothing self-defeating about that. The _universe_ might be pointless, but that doesn't mean that I can't value my life and the lives of other people.
Why would you think otherwise?
Did Hitler think he did good in society by exterminating lesser folks on earth? Without God, who says your morals are better than someone else's morals.
@Bill_Garthright Intrinsic value. God made everyone in His image. Without God, everything is pointless and subjective. That would include your opinion on the value of life.
Is her hair green? Interesting.
Our ego wants us to be God
Humble yourself and find God
Trying to find a non-existent entity would be a waste of my time - though you can waste yours if you so wish.
@@joeblack8915 I’m so sorry YOU FEEL like that but that’s all it is your feelings. If you pray to God and allow the Holy Ghost in you’d know God is real. Just try.
Atheists who do not believe in God but live morally prove that God's law is written in their hearts
Yep, they're just suppressing their belief in God or being rebellious.
What the God that said slavery is ok, concubines are ok, killing children is ok. Yeah sure. I will stick with the Golden Rule
Romans 2:14
@@kirillkim604 No what they do prove is that it is not gods law If we followed gods law we would be doing to gays witches wizards adulterers disobedient children etc what the bible says we should do to them.
Yeah, it's easy to make claims, huh? So I can only take your claims as seriously as I take the claims of every other religion which contradicts _yours._
Meanwhile, do you have *one piece of good evidence* that your god is real, rather than just imaginary? Just *one,* but specific enough and in enough detail that I can judge it for myself? Because I can't take you seriously as long as you have nothing but unsupported claims.
For fucks sake can you just let him finish! Are you that threatened by what he is saying?!
Pot meet kettle. Peterson is a consummate windbag. Watch his conversation with Alex OConnor. JP is exposed for the grifter he is. B
Tame the language
I had to stop after only a couple minutes , , Susan Blackmore is just another bucket full of CUSSWORDS , to be nice about it , , She's , , ,
Susan Blackmore is another proof of GOD'S grace & mercy which allows for (even) her continued existence , another example of what we should be aware of that evil arises out from in order to flourish towards all variations of inspiring evil , , instead of inspiring for greatness through praising GOD rightfully for all of HIS creation & intentions for our lives within HIS creation , , ,
I have an amazing story. One day I was driving home, when all of a sudden the Lord came to me in spirit. I felt very close to Him. I knew if I asked him to play any song on the radio he would, I guess to bless my faith.
So I said "ok, Lord play "Come as you are by Nirvana".
I turned on the radio and the song started playing right there on the spot, perfectly…
I started getting flooded with chills like a waterfall, crying, and trembling.
He stayed with me for 10 minutes in my driveway. until I got outta the car.
A couple months after that I started getting amazing prayers answered way more often, because it helped me quit doubting when I pray and I was lined up with biblical instructions. It's 6 years later and I still get answered prayers in Jesus name.
Thank you for your testimony it has empowered me.
@@41maldonado Thank you. Let me share a bit more. A while after that happened, I was watching a preacher on TH-cam. I felt this compassion come over me by the Holy Spirit. So I prayed for him. "Father, I pray you double this man's ministry, his finances, and his marital life, in Jesus holy name, I demand and I decree. Amen."
The next day he released a new video. He was standing on stage for a bit, smiling. Then he said "The Lord has just doubled his ministry. He's doubled his finances and He's doubled his marital life...
My heart started pounding from shock, because he was saying my exact prayer from the night before. I wasn't even thinking about how I had prayed when he said it.
Then later that week another prayer just as impossible was answered. I've had trials and tribulations, and ups and downs, but it still happens, over 6 years later.
@@user-nj3ej4ei7t wow you are blessed!! You must have a light heart but full of love! How do you pray?? Sometimes I wish the Lord would fill me more with his love. Just to feel even a sliver of it would overwhelm me with joy! God bless you in the name of Jesus! 🙏🏽🕊️🤍
I was an atheist but I met God and became a Christian.
Please define 'atheism'.
How did you meet god?
You didn't meet God
You are lying.
@@geethamatthews8743 yes, how did you meet him?? Glory be to God! 🙏🏽🤍🕊️
@@TheoSkeptomai They mean anyone who doesn't suffer from their lunacy.
Its so marvelous being free from the clutches of atheism ....now going on 30 years ❤
What if I told you that, get this:
I find more meaning in the world *because* I'm an atheist?
@@switchie1987 Well,, more meaning ? really ?
When we all die and get extinct and just dissapear having no soul, what was it for ?
No hope in anything without God.
@@danh7447 It's about the finitude, that's what makes it special.
If there is an eternal afterlife, then why care about this world, hmm?
That's your thought process, and don't lie about it.
Fucking pathetic.
I have hope I'll wake up again tomorrow, even if the future isn't certain.
I base that off past experience.
I have had no such experience with "the divine".
The closest I had to anything near *that*, is a middle-of-the-night hallucination of Jesus, WHEN I WAS A CHILD.
A hallucination which disappeared once I was able to step closer to it.
Could I be wrong?
Yes.
But my point is, life matters *because* of how short it is.
Sure, I'd love to experience being for as long as my heart desires, but that will never make it so, and also doesn't mean it *can't* be true.
I honestly don't know, and that's okay.
@switchie1987 what is your meaning to life?
@@jamesroberts6018 Whatever I want it to be, though I still have a moral compass.
A moral compass of my own making, based on the reality I see.
Not based on some book full of tall tales, such as the Bible.
I don't kill, iI don't rape, I don't steal, and I don't discriminate.
Not because of fear for punishment, but because I *KNOW* how damaging it is tow everyon involved, on both sides.
Funny you base your morals on the Bible, though.
What with all the glorification of the ownership of human beings, desire-driven slaughters, permission of infanticide, etc.
Meditate 30 yr? Obviously she chose not to listen or look beyond herself. Half the words out of her mouth is I, me, my, mine. She believes that she is the doer. Hmm. Gratitude, in her mind is a superficial, feel good idea.
Just goes to show not all meditation is equal.
I know People that have been doing thoughtless-awareness-meditation for 3 years and they have become Self-realized, She can't even control Her impulse to interrupt, let alone control Her mind, IMO.
How anyone could be a-spiritual after a 30yr practice is beyond Me!
Something not adding up here at all.
She does seem shallow, like she doesn't want to let anything in to upset her positivity. She's too bubbly.
@kenblumenscwhoa! And they say women are bitchy!hein689
As you pointed out, Peterson is not saying that atheists can't be moral, but this woman is just living a meaningless life as she herself states. One of Dr. Frank Turek's statement regarding this topic comes to mind. He says that atheists can be moral but in order for them to be they have to borrow from God. And, as others here have cited the Bible as saying that the law has been written in our hearts (Romans 2:15-16). Great video by the way!
And Frank Turek is just as ridiculous as JP. Borrow from god… if I decided to own people as property, that doesn’t seem to be an issue with god. I think that’s wrong, but god doesn’t, so which one of us is correct?
@@johnnybgood7442God gives Us freedom of choice, We can put toxic color chemicals around Our brain, We can chose to be in service-to-Others, or not.
It's evil that seeks power-over-Others,
You're 100% right about that!
You mean god borrowed from human society.
I get the feeling that when she's the authority, (professor surrounded by students), she feels confident in her prescription. But among equals she seems insecure
JP's mind is organized like a filing cabinet; That woman's mind is organized like a junkyard. It must be exhausting being an atheist...
Why is it exhausting for me to be an atheist? I am not following. Please elaborate.
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@@TheNationOfTexas No response?
@@TheoSkeptomai Drop the narcissism, I didn’t say anything about you. I made a comment based on my observation of this woman and many other atheists and the mental gymnastics I’ve seen used for the sole purpose of defending their unbelief. I’m very objective as it pertains to debates and from what I’ve seen so far, Christian apologists seem to make their arguments with ease and without wavering, where atheists like Dawkins and even this woman here are constantly having to adjust their arguments use semantics and logical shortcuts to make their case. It may not be exhausting for you to be an atheist, but it definitely seems exhausting to me. My opinion. Get over it. Not a good look for you trying so hard to get into a YT comment section debate. Making a judgement call here: I don’t think you’re a skeptic about God as your name implies; I think you’re a cynic about God who gets off on the pride of out debating people. I see that as a bad faith interaction, and no I won’t be getting into it further. So respond as you’d like, but I won’t be engaging in a conversation that goes nowhere. Hope you have a great day.
@TheNationOfTexas I haven't been narcissistic. I included the phrase "for me" because I can't rightfully or justifiably speak for anyone other than myself. Is that correct?
I'd like to share a recent experience where that what was addressed in the video was shown a lot to me.
I befriended a guy who was an atheist and asked me what's all the fuzz of christians about sex before marriage, and as i was telling him the practical reasons as to why this order from God does make sense and displaying all the harms that not waiting does, he was all like: "whoa, i never thought about that. That does make sense". He claimed later that i was the first christian he ever met that not only took the faith seriously but actually had answers to some of his questions. I met him a couple of other times and he said that even tough he was an atheist, he did agree that this is a worldview of hopelessness, that he wanted to get rid of.
A couple of weeks later he sent me a message, saying he believed God was talking to him, that 3 days prior he had decided to commit suicide and didn't know why (i think is bc he grew tired of the hopelessness of his worldview) and he spoke to an unbeliever friend of his and he didn't help much (all he had to say was "oh, yeah that sucks, but hang on man. Is gonna go away", IOW... "life happens", is all they can offer, no matter how well meaning), i explained the gospel to him, it was an almost hour long conversation telling him personal stories, my testimony, gospel, arguments for God, and in the end i prayed with him for him to recieve Christ.
I'm very well aware that in the parable of the sower, 2 of the 4 seeds do get inside and grow but don't last, and i was worried that my friend's case would be one of those. But the conversation happened almost midnight of june 29th, and so far, i only saw confirmation that he did get saved and his heart is now really on doing God's will. All of a sudden he asked me about prayer, fasting, said he's reading the book of matthew without me yet reccomending any bible book. And there's a light in his eyes that wasn't there before. He found God, meaning and the light that only God gives. He found the fulfillment of the desire for God, that as John lennox and Jaiden paraphrasing said... would be very strange if we had thirst in a world without water. We have this innate desire for eternity because God placed eternity on man's heart. And my friend found it. Often God uses the hopelessness of one's worldview to point the person to himself, the one who satisfies our hopes and grants us forgiveness
I love this so much. Thank you for sharing! 🙏✝️ People need someone to relate to, I'm glad he had you to tell him the good news! God bless🕊
@vitormenezesdemattos967 I really enjoy coming to the comment section and finding gems, it does not happen all the time but if you dig a little some real treasures can be unearthed and this is one of those gems sparkling and bright in the message of hope and salvation found in Jesus Christ. Thank you for sharing this, it is so encouraging for all of us brethren that may struggle sometimes or get nervous in sharing the gospel, this has inspired me to testify more.
I am so very glad that your friend got saved and went full throttle for the Lord, oftentimes I have noticed at the heart of many atheists is actually a deep yearning for God, thats why they always demand scientific evidence and stats and numbers etc because they think the evidence will either condemn or convict. And some of them may be correct in their assessment from a worldly reasoning but the thing is God is a supernatural being and actually requires faith in Him and even more so, He's even made it easy for us because He wrote Himself on our hearts.
Just talking with your friend and taking time to get to the heart of his unbelief and worldview and lovingly sharing your faith, answering questions that I have found some Christian's are unable to do (either its not their strength or for whatever other reason) not all but some and atheists love to trip up believers, especially the hardcore ones.
Praise God, Hallelujah, the angels rejoiced when your friend got saved! Glory be to God! God bless you dear fellow believer!
Fantastic! So glad for both of you. I am on a new part of the journey with Christ in my faith that has me asking the question of 'Why I believe what I believe'. Your sharing of this (testimony) is great to read about and hearing that you are deliberate in your faith journey (You are taking it seriously) There are too many instances of inconsistency of our brothers & sisters in the faith that make it confusing and quite often a turn off of the Christianity/Gospel. This warms my heart and reinforces some of the 'Why'. Bringing Hope to the hopeless. Bringing a glass of cool water to someone who is thirsty. To have answers to questions unspoken. To speak to hearts that are longing for meaning and purpose. To find and receive Grace and forgiveness by the sacrifice of Jesus and His shed blood. I don't like religion or using buzz words or christianese but my heart longs for GOD and before I came to know Him, I didn't know I needed Him or that He was my Creator. You have made a huge difference in your friends life and have helped me too as well. Grateful you were there for him and planted some seeds. GOD will provided the watering, as He always does. I appreciate you being courageous in sharing the Gospel and your faith. Keep at it. Grow deeper. Thank you for sharing this. To GOD be the Glory and Praise to the LORD Jesus Christ!
@@alexiscolby9415 I read your comment for now, superficially and even wondered if i should reply. Cuz in these few hours between my comment and yours, a bad news about it came up and now i just don'tknow what to do. And it is my fault, at least to some extent.
That call of his to talk to me was in june 29th. Almost 2 weeks later i invited him to go to my church like, 3 times only, counting today. And now, when i invited him over whatsapp messaging, i asked if i was being too pushy and insistent, wich i recognize i have a tendency towards (specially given how excited i was that i after 17 years praying to see myself being actively used to bring someone to Christ, it finally happened. So you can imagine my excitement).
Not only his reply said that yes, but he replied aggresively. And knowing myself, my immediate feeling was a pure self condemnation: "Nice job dude. Being insistent and blowing up again (not the first time it happens)! When will you learn you massive moron!? Howmany times does this have to happen for you to learn. Are you really such an idiot?!" And i started being terrified that bc of that, his heart will be turned into one of the soils that doesn't hold the seed.
I called him my friend in the comment but is actually a very recent friendship, if it actually got there. In fact we practically started seeing each other and talking last month.
Now, the more i let the cloud of emotions go away and think more with a clear judgement, i also see that in my defense there's just no way his reaction is justified. Specially considering that i ASKED if i was being too pushy, wich implied my willingness to listen. Therefore he didn't have AT ALL to reply to me the way he did. You reply like that with ppl who are not willing to listen.
Therefore i didn't reply, didn't mark as "viewed" (it was on whatzapp, not very common in US as far as i know)
I'm even thinking of saying more and i thought of not even replying to your comment cuz you seemed so happy about it all and i didn't wanna blow it, but i need someone who doesn't have any idea who i am to talk to about this. In a way i wanna apologize but is in one hand too soon, given it only happened 2-3 hours ago, but once is not i'm afraid of apologizing and reigniting a gas i am trying to avoid.
There's also a backstory that might shed more light to the subject but since this comment's already long i'll leave it as that. But please, if you can continue replying. I need someone to talk to about this that doesn't have any sort of "family bias" either for or against me (then of course i'll talk to them, cuz on the other hand they know me best), i'm feeling like trash here.
@@alexiscolby9415 So, the backstory that i think is important: a couple of days after i had the conversation about premarital sex with him, i prayed that God would show me a way that i could help an unbeliever i knew, to show them Christ's Love. I felt a tug reminding me of this friend and that he had said to me that his parents fight all the time. Then i remembered the "fireproof" movie and the dare that the father does with the main character, with a book in case you didn't watch, where he would each day read one dare to show love towards her. The "tug" i felt was to see if there was a version in book of this dare to give to him for his parents. I found it, bought it in a leap of faith.
A couple of days after the book arrived he called me, asking me what to do cuz he was having suicidal thoughts and his girl was no longer wanting to date him and that if i told him that he could get her back then BAM! He would believe. However, he wasn't really dating this girl, he wanted to but she was his "friend with benefits". So i had to tell him that this relationship had already started wrong. Then i went to bring the point that God would satisfy him more than any girl. Then we had the conversation i mentioned, i gave him "the love dare" the next day, and a couple of days later he came to me excited about the results of what he was learning about love from the book..... with his "friend with benefits". I decided not to say anything, and asked the advice from a friend who's a christian but also lived a life of sexual immorality, he told me as someone who didn't "grow up christian" like i did, to let go and not correct all at once, specially cuz the book itself would do it.
Besides that, everything led me to think his conversion was genuine, even the errors that would be typical of new true converts. But then when i asked him what i asked him earlier today and he replied aggresively he said among other things: "I'M not (his "girl's" name) ALL RIGHT!?". So looking at all of this, maybe deep down his heart wasn't really in Christ and it pains me to say this, maybe it was all for the girl. I even thought about deleting the comment you are replying to cuz i'm not so sure it is true anymore. However, did i mess up? Did i mess up as much as he said i did (that, i really, reeeealy don't think so....... but what if i did?)? If i did when will i learn and how ? I'm just extremely ashamed now but also wondering, was what i posted in that comment you replied, true at all? I just don't know what to do.
We live in a fallen world. The only thing that gives us true joy is knowing God wants us to be with him in heaven.
You are delusional.
Does he though?
@Treesandmountains Why does he create Athiests then? Or any person that follows a religion other than Christianity?
@dontgetsore
He wants us to love him by choice.
He didn't create atheists or non Christians lol.
That's a very silly sentiment.
We have free will which was his design.
We can choose what we do with that free will.
God has chosen to limit himself by allowing us to have free will.
He wants love, and you can't have love if it's forced.
That's why he doesn't just reveal himself to us.
If he did we wouldn't really have a choice in the matter❤
Praying for you friend
@mnrsteeljoutafel is it silly? God is all knowing. He knows every choice that will be made. He knows every choice I will make, he knows every choice people who haven't even been born yet will make. So he created me knowing I would be atheist, he created others knowing they would be Muslim, or Jewish, or Buddhist. According to his rule, we will all suffer in eternal hell. If he is all knowing and all powerful, then why create us knowing we won't believe and will in turn be sent to hell?
She pretends she doesn't need God,pure arrogance and pride
Who are you to judge her?
@@britviking5960 Hard to need something that doesn't exist.
Do you read minds? How do you know for a fact that she's pretending? How is it arrogance to question the status quo? Was it arrogance to hold that Africans were NOT subhuman, the widely held truth of the day? How is pride, the reward for achievement, bad?
@@dreadrockadrian Well, no it's not arrogance to hold that people who happen to have black skin are human because it's true. But when you hold something as true which is false, then there must be an explanation. He offered the explanation that she is arrogant, which is not a terrible explanation if you hold that God exists. Is there anything more arrogant then to say the one who created and sustains you does not exist?
To your point on the status quo, it could be easily flip on its head and asked why we don't question the current status quo on black people being human. Of course this is absurd. But if the point is that we must, to be heroic, question the status quo then it is quite reasonable to be unreasonable.
Further more, she is by no means questioning anything, she is stating something. In other words, she did not spend her time questioning the status quo, she spent her time putting forth a new status quo, one which Nietzshce rejoiced in along with all his fellow conspirators of atheistic independence. It is a world without God she put forth, not a question is are world without a God.
Now the question is "does God exist?" But what does that even mean? Because it is typical to jump straight to which God are we talking about: the Christian God, the Jewish God, the god of Islam, Buddha, ect. But I think this is silly to jump right into. It isn't even known, rhetorically speaking, because we haven't gotten there yet, if God exists, so why then is it a concern which one.
I believe in God because the cosmos exists and is logical (I can know it through my reason). God as in a Creator who made the cosmos.
@@someonesomeone25 On the other hand, it is even harder to know that you do need something that does exist.
I was agnostic most of my life. When Christ saved me, I knew it was the real thing and saw how my own sin hurt me more than anything.
I’ve accomplished a lot of things in life and often used those titles as my identity, going from one thing to the next. When I was saved though, I finally found my identity and that is a Christian, regardless of all the other titles or accomplishments. Being a Christian is what I’m most thankful for and want to be identified as. All glory be to God!
Saved you from what exactly?
1:00 Thirty years of building pride. Distancing her self from God by assigning credits to her own inner works and building a delusional world around herself based on fake presumptions.
Glad I found your channel. You’re a very bright young man. Freshening to see youth defending the faith so well and with so much knowledge
If you don't accept the truth of a loving Creator that made you for a purpose, then you have to surrender to the idea that you are nothing more than a walking, talking chemistry set.
Okay. And?
@@a.s.2426...and if You believe that, You simply don't know Who, or What, You are.
If We seek the truth, first We become aware, then Self-realized, then enlightened.
If You still think You are just this mind, and or body, then You're not aware yet;
unaware of You're magnificent Spirit.
Everything mainstream is in place, to keep that ignorance going, so don't feel guilty that Your not aware of this.
People are regularly conditioned, from the youngest age, to be unaware and uninterested in, the whole objective truth, but instead just take authorities word for it, like the rest of the ignorant masses, look see them all, just be like them and don't think deeply about anything, go away and go buy more of our plastic clothes, plastic food and plastic stuff.
Ancient wisdom;
"... first, Know Thyself"
🧘♂️👍
All the best.
@@Drew_Hurst I think we are talking past each other. I agree on the possibility and reality of Enlightenment and the metaphysics it implies (well, at least in part). What I'm objecting to is a bit simpler: If one does not agree that one is "nothing more than a walking, talking chemistry set" it does not follow that one must " accept the truth of a loving Creator". I should also add that many schools of thought/spiritual practice such as, to my understanding, both Zen and Advaita Vedanta, which accept Enlightenment as a real and fundamental phenomenon and indeed the highest state of being one can realize there is no belief in a Creator at all.
Regarding the search for meaning, I read somewhere that the gorillas and chimpanzees who learned to sign and had the intelligence of a 3 year old human, never did something all 3 year olds do.
They never once asked "Why?"
The search for meaning is very much unique human trait.
You young guy with your red hair… thanks for the prayer. It helped.
Good. Thank you for telling me :)
I find your videos are so insightful and true. Thank you for posting 😊
Hallelujah!!! I’m favored and blessed with $60,000 every week! Now I can afford anything and also support the work of God and the church.
Oh really? Tell me more!
This is what Ana Graciela Blackwelder does, she has changed my life.
After raising up to 60k trading with her, I bought a new house and car here in the US and also paid for my son’s (Oscar) surgery. Glory to God.shalom.
I know Ana Graciela Blackwelder, and I have also had success...
Absolutely! I have heard stories of people who started with little or no knowledge but managed to emerge victorious thanks to Ana Graciela Blackwelder.
She cant listen. Like a gun.
Self perpetuating gratitude. It’s her own pride and she simply worships herself and nothing else matters but herself .
@@1gtman What's wrong with that? That is the only logical conclusion of a Godless world. Nietzshce was right, if God is dead then the self is the only thing which matters. Dostoevsky explains this theory in Crime and Punishment with the Nietzshcian superman idea. The most exceptional people have the ability to will themselves as anything, they can over step morality because they are strong enough to withstand the consequences of guilt. As so many theologians and philosophers pointed out this would, if not battled against, spread like wild fire. Now everyone has the ability to transcend themselves. It does not matter if one is "born" a man (how they can distinguish these things I'll never know ;) does not matter, because we have killed God. In other words, society has rid itself of God, not that God has actually been slain. A man can cut himself to bits or merely say what ever he wishes to be and just by that wish, because he has the ability to transcend humanity, he is that thing. We know things to have essence before we give it to them. No man ever gave a tree it's essence, and yet essence it has. But this is where the modern world receives its ideas.
These are the honest atheist. Those who claim we can have morality without God are silly. Those who say we should have morality without a God are quite mad. And those who say we do have morality without God are Christians but don't know it.
@nicholaspresberg3269 A "superman" in this context is a fancy term for your local lowlife sociopath Ted Bundy serial killer type.
Doesn't he and his ilk precisely "will themselves to trascend morality" because they indeed have no guilt over anything thus do WHATEVER they feel like to pleasure themselves?...
@@nicholaspresberg3269A "superman" in this context is a fancy term for your local lowlife sociopath Ted Bundy serial killer type.
Doesn't he and his ilk precisely "will themselves to trascend morality" because they indeed have no guilt over anything thus do WHATEVER they feel like to pleasure themselves?
Thanks! Well stated… except for the very last sentence, which may be a typo? … “those who say … morality … are Christians & don’t know it.” Point of truth however, no one is a “Christian” Born Again follower of Christ without knowing it! Confession of faith & trust in Christ Jesus is required, believing He was raised from the dead!
@@PianoTuningArtist Thank you for your correction!
I agree with your statement that one must profess faith in Christ and his Church to be a Christian, otherwise he is either a gentile or a heretic.
But it was actually something I did think of and still chose to state. There is something called a practical atheist: someone who says he's God fearing, but lives like there is no God (immorally; which all the "honest atheist", those who admit, like Nietzshce and Satre, without God there is no morality just power and subjective desires ("existence proceeds essence")) So what I was saying is that they are practical Christians: those who believe there is no God, but live like there is one. Hence the "are Christians but don't know it."
Hair colour says it all 😂
Very good video, Jaiden. I haven't heard of Viktor Frankel's book Man's Search for Meaning (or if I did I've forgotten) but I've placed it on my ever-growing reading list. Keep up the good work.
Thank you Robert, it’s a good one, especially the first half.
Happiness is the quickest thing that gets old.
"because of the kind of creatures we are"....even the language acknowledges that they are created.
Ever wondered who coined the word " creatures ". That would be people that believed in a creator.
This word was coin long ago before Darwin, when nearly all English speaking people were creationists. It does not prove that they were created.
I wonder what other cultures, that have different beliefs call them.
If I was to call creatures "evolvers" it wouldn't prove that they had evolved, that would take a lot of evidence. Oh! Wait we do have a lot of evidence.
There is no evidence that all the species on earth had a common origin from a materialist perspective. There is observable evidence that speciation has occurred within a family (or "kind") but this would not be an unbiblical claim. For instance, the dog and the wolf likely had a common parent at the family or kind level.
In regards to evolution, though, the real question is how something (the universe) came from nothing without a transcendent cause. I will submit that the materialist has no answer for this. The Christian has an answer for this: there is a transcendent, personal Being that we worship called YHVH or God.
@@Robert_Sparkman_03There is tons of evidence for all species descending from a common ancestor, or are men and fish the same "kind"?
@@SilentLulamoon You must misunderstand me. I am a theist. I deny evolution. I assert that there has been "speciation" which means that species have developed from a common ancestor..for instance....the dog and the wolf....but there is no evidence of a new kind coming into existence from a different kind. Nor is their evidence that all kinds descend from a common ancestor biologically.
I don't think Noah's Ark contained one set of all species that exist today, though...speciation occurred from a common parent within a particular kind....the dog and the wolf example again.
@@Robert_Sparkman_03evolution has absolutely nothing to do with “how something came from nothing”. That statement makes no sense.
And I’m sorry but there is a difference between HAVING and answer VS being able to DEMONSTRATE that answer. All Christians can do is assert things by pointing to an old book.
What a depressing way she lives. I mean if she wants to keep on that train of thought that its all meaningless, then I hope she doesn't say murder is wrong or child r*pe is wrong , its all meaningless where one animal is just doing a meaningless action ultimately to another animal.
How depressing
Does the fact that it's depressing make it factually incorrect? I woud say no...
Just because someone tells you something that makes you sad or depressed, doesn't mean their wrong.
If a doctor told someone they had cancer and they're going to die in a few months; I don't think that person would be happy about it, whether they're religious or not, but it's happening non the less, unless the doctor screwed up.
Most philosophers, if not all of them, were atheists but they never said nihilism or meaninglessness was a good thing, they basically said we have to avoid it at all costs, and running towards religion was a bad idea. Science gives us objective answers to things religion tried to answer subjectively.
Religion makes people happy, I get it. As humans, our biology pushes us towards comfort, not away from it. Some of us "choose" to experiment and figure out how certain things actually work and not just accept what people thousands of years ago told us about the world and universe.
Religion and science started out as a way to explain things, it became bad once humans used it to push their own agendas. Science and religion is pointless if were not using it to make peoples lives better. If were stopping people from living or killing them, etc. Its a waste. People have used Religion and Science to kill millions of people, neither one is perfect.
Don't be afraid of science or Religion, use both, fill in the blanks, understand as much as possible, get smarter.
Be aware of those who are manipulating science and religion to harm people and use it for their own personal gain. Anything anyone says that completely makes you happy is lying, because the universe doesn't care one way or another, its indifferent to our suffering and happiness.
Find happiness within, not from science or religion or the universe, but from yourself, if not, when they go away, your happiness goes away.
@@Chartail1 I'm a moral nihilist. It's less depressing than being a Christian.
What does it being depressing have to do with anything?
Reminds me of the old joke: “Make your own dirt.” The point is people often think they don’t need God because they are able to provide everything they need, even able to make human life. God says show me how you make human life. Scientist goes over and gets his test tube, then goes to the cooler but God stop him and says “make your own dirt.” Everything that we have, everything that we are, everything that makes up our world, all exists because God made it and He made everything from nothing! Man is limited to creating FROM creation! Make yourself whatever you want but you only use what God made and God created for a purpose that only God can understand.
Just in case you didn't know - some things in the universe were made through scientific processes before humans.
@@seantaylor4095 I agree but God put the science there. He created and put everything in motion.
@@marciabenson9371 You state that with certainty but that is simply your belief, there is no evidence to support that. It's just part of the theistic infinite regress argument.
The people who got a lot to say, have nothing to say.
@Flux_40 No, the atheist. She talks way too much, says nothing.
@@LeoSanz7 When you ask vague questions you tend to get vague answers.
Thanks Jaiden, your input of your wisdom and understanding of subject matters are commendable! 🙏🙏
She was treading water early. The nervous giggling never left.
Didn’t notice anything like that.
Being sceptical of religious priests supernatural truth claims seems a perfectly reasonable position to take.
Ask her what ignites the spark of life and starts the heart beating. Even scientists can't answer it.
What's "the spark of life"? Maybe scientists just don't know what the hell you're talking about?
@@Bill_Garthrighthe means that scientists still don’t know what starts the first heart beat in a human. No scientist has yet found what starts the initial fetal heartbeat.
@@Bill_Garthright They know what I mean. Because they have been trying to explain it for years. They know how to stop life in the womb. They don't know what starts life.
@@maryhollaway1354so what is the answer? And if you say god, how do you actually demonstrate that?
@@freezingc3126Scientists have a clear understanding of how the heart initiates its rhythmic beating around week 5 of embryonic development. This process is driven by specialized cells known as cardiomyocytes. These cells generate action potentials-electrical signals-that propagate throughout the heart, coordinating its contractions.
You are so young but so well spoken. You’ve been given such wisdom at this young stage of your life. Life your commentary. God blessed you.
I really liked the comments from such a young yet wise man. Good for you!
Count how many times she says ‘I’ when talking about any given point.
Yes, and compare this to Peterson, who when making a point about his own inclinations claims dishonestly that they apply to other people.
granny instantly lost credibility b/c her hair matches her shirt. Then proceeds to talk over JP halve way through his sentence.
Pride.
Love your comments!! God bless you!!! Greetings from Peru!
How sad. I couldn’t imagine going through life without faith. What would be the point? How does she think we got here? You can’t create something from nothing. Literally
I’m a simple human: I see bright colors in someone’s hair, I immediately drop expectations 😅
Which colour, blue or orange?
@@seantaylor4095 blue, of course.
If someone says everything is meaningless I would say. How do you know? You don't.
Since neither of the two debaters defined their terms there isn’t even a question of knowledge here. It was a nebulous conversation and rather meaningless in a more mundane sense.
I’m an atheist and this debate is so stupid. To call the universe “meaningless” is no more than a matter of conjecture. I can’t say for sure whether there is a god or not, or the universe has meaning or not. Ultimately - who cares? I care about the things in my life which hold meaning for me, and that’s good enough.
Even if there is some sort of god - it doesn’t mean that the universe has a purpose. It could be an experiment, or something else entirely. How could anyone possibly know?
Peterson can’t give any more of a rational explanation for his god, than she can for meaninglessness.
You sound agnostic not atheist..
Some go out side hate
Some go out and help others that is love kindness joy happiness self control peace from the fruits of Jesus Christ ✝️🛐.
Just found your post video. Really interesting and insightful. I liked hearing your views and comments. Your parents raised an awesome person.
As the line goes in the film The Ninth Configuration, It takes more faith to believe there is no God, than the amount of faith it takes to just believe He exists.
That's something apologists say because it sounds good to people who don't think very hard.
Making some great videos bro! Keep at it, I believe it will
Make a difference in eternity.
Thank you Luke! I hope so.
4:00 What she fails to realize is that by invoking William James - she has made Jordan's point and/or denatured her own.
Like so many today: William James saw the flaws in his pragmatism, the Zen Approach of the time. Perhaps he feared alienating many followers or he himself was afraid of his realizations. Not till after his death was his work of "Radical empiricism" published. In it James makes the case against a nihilist view, against a pure a pragmatic view.
A view that Jung typified in his quote: "That none of his older patients in need of help from an unattainable longing: none were left unhealed..."(in German the word to be fully healed is to be Whole: Like individuation that requires integration of the the self and the other thus the opposite of nihilist).
The solution, Jung said, to the Modern malaise "is to adopt a religious view of life". To see the beauty in everything and everyone. To see our Providence or Divinity as Emerson (inspired Nietzsche and James) and Whitman said: "to see our potential in the flowers blooming". Or as Brother Lawrence said: "to know that a barren tree in winter will bloom again in the spring".
This is the trust in our path, trust in our potential, a trust in our faith that sustains. Not only in good times but trust's essential service is as a toolkit to rebuild after catastrophe.
“The solution, Jung said, to the Modern malaise "is to adopt a religious view of life"”
There are benefits, sure. But doesn’t make it true.
Atheists do not say “life is meaningless”. Rather the statement is more “life has no real meaning”. Humans define and refine the meaning on life as they age. Some make meaning with religion and spirituality, some make meaning by striving to become the best version of themselves, and the rest can do whatever else they find meaningful.
Religion gives some meaning in life, but not the be-all.
Hi Jaiden,
I recently subscribed to your channel. And having watched a few of your video's now. I have to say, that your content is great. You are so easy and comfortable to watch.
You are intelligent, and have wisdom beyond your years. I only wish i had, had such wisdom at your age.
You are clearly a wonderful young man of God. And a huge credit to your parents, who have clearly raised you incredibly well.
I have just ordered the book you recommended. Can't wait to read it.
God bless you and your family abundantly Jaiden.
Hi can you help me the recommended books
Thank you
Nice to hear your lectures are equal to your shit in the morning.
No-one forces you to watch.
Your remark lacks class, and wisdom. Generally in life, negative people get negative responses from people. We reap what we sow. Something perhaps to consider. Your clearly not a very happy person. Jesus loves you though.
@@WoodlandDoe I love the interesting interaction . Just simplifying what she said on her own.
This woman who appears to tag herself as an atheist is a great example of today’s society. In order to get away from the responsibility of been responsible for oneself and sins will claim that they can save themselves. By doing so they become narcissistic people that go around blaming everyone else for their own sins and shortcomings. She definitely fits the Dunning Kruger effect. I do pity the people that come to her for advice.
good point
Praying for Mr. Peterson to fully come to Christ and repent. We’ve all seen him get closer and closer over the recent years similarly to Rogan and of course brand, but more so with Jordan Peterson than Rogan. Still praying for them all to come to Christ and repent as they all have a HUGE audience they can share the Lord with. Jordan Peterson has already been used by God to bring people to him. Just imagine how many people would if he was a follower of our God Jesus Christ!!
God bless~
Soli Deo Gloria~
B. Shapiro, too.
Yes!!
Living like a pagan for over 40 years.
I came back to Jesus 4 years ago. Thank yoy Jesus for bringing me back light.
thank you young man and thank you for saying to start in John’s Gospel 🙏🏻❤️✝️🌷
To be an atheist you have to answer these two questions:
1) Is there anything in the universe bigger or more vast than mankind?
2) How did life spring from nothingness? This assumes the Big Bang is fact, which if we are right then life came from nothing.
1. This question is beyond ill-formed. There are plenty of things “bigger” than mankind and definitely “more vast”. You ever seen a star? Those things are way bigger than us and there are way more of them than us.
2. I don’t know how life started, so I’m not pretend like I do by saying “god dun it”. Also, you need to look up what scientists mean when they use the word “nothing”, because you are way off.
@@johnnybgood7442exactly. 1. Almost everything 2. We don’t know
Not sure what these questions have necessarily to do with atheism.
that is interesting the new satellite says there was no big bang, but the atheist scientist cannot accept that truth, Kind of like the man who dropped his pants, but says everything is just OK!
Hope she turns herself around before time runs out.
Somebody needs to appreciate this woman so she realizes she is not worthless!
i suspect she doesn't really believe that. i think she does what she does out of pure malice in order do demoralize people and there are others who pay her to do that.
^^^ Amen and Amen!
Should have asked the lady "Why demonize Hitler then?"
It’s been written….Ecclesiastes
Vanity of vanities all is vanity…..
The conclusion of the matter: fear Hid and keep his commandments
This is the whole duty of man
Your doing a great job, keep it up!
Thank you!
Amen brother! Yes Jesus is the truth the way and the life.
You can understand that she has a hole in her heart that only Christ can fill
Why Christ? There are thousands of religions.
@@a.s.2426 because Christ is the living God
No student ever went to lectures because they were bored.😂
Great video and great commentary at the end young man!
"If we were in a world where there is no water, it would be very strange if we get thirsty."
WOW! This blew my mind...
Without GOD everything is pointless...without God we would not exist...
We have a finite life, and you either make the most of it or you don't....
I find that my life is more fulfilling when I make the most of it
Well most atheists or agnostic people who argue that we don’t need God tend to lack an understanding of what God actually is….. so that’s a huge part of it
the writer of Ecclesiastes says “all is meaningless or all is vanity and there’s nothing new under the sun”
they understood and felt all the same things we feel today.
Christ is all that matters. our faith and salvation is all that matters.
Even as a Norse Animist. Jordan Inspires me very much. If you’re deep into your gratitude for what your ancestors did before you got here, grateful for what you have done for yourself, your family, your community, your country, and gratitude that you’re even here breathing life, and appreciate the planet that we live in and what it provides us. We can all connect to and speak to source as well as our higher self. There is no separate despite appearance. It takes more faith to be an atheist as far as I am concerned. The way I see it is just because we don’t have “evidence” doesn’t mean it’s not there and it’s most certainly sacred. To insist that we are completely alone in existence is quite ignorant.
God sends his rain on the just and the unjust...in other words, God says you're welcome.
13:15 Answering I don't know, is one thing this woman doesn't know even her ownself still searching. To find the purpose, and value of yourself, you're still in process of Soul Searching. You can't even clearly define yourself.
Good job on listening to this big conversations and understanding them. At your age you're already ahead. Stay humble and grow wiser kid 🙏
Great video, I'm enjoying your channel... Jordan has the patience of job...such a valuable person for this time in history... Lord please continue to teach Jordan and strengthen him 🙏... let's remember to pray for him often
The guy in the middle looks like he's watching tennis 🎾 turning his head left and right😂😂
Thank you for your prayer. It had special meaning to me.
Viktor Frankl didn't just see some brutal stuff, he was viciously tortured himself.
Always look forward to your videos, brother. God bless
She never answers a question ... She knows that she would receive her answer .
Shallow
Blessings from the Dominican Republic. You do a great job. The glory for The Lord.
This kid is definition of wise beyond his years. Great content and insight. New sub!
"If the universe is meaningless, so is the statement that it is so. The meaning and purpose of dancing is the dance." - Alan Watts
Thanks for putting these together. I appreciate your efforts.
She contradicts herself… in the words of C.S Lewis, “if the world has no meaning then we never should have found out that the world has no meaning.”
The fact you reasoned to that pt basically disproves that thinking. Shes formed a world view that is exactly what the bible warns against in Romans 1:25… “These people have exchanged God's truth for a lie. So they have become ungodly and serve what is created rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen!”
The fact she acknowledges gratitude is a fruitful thing shows design function .. design function suggests a designer/aka creator God. Her stance is more a position of the heart that has corrupted her world view rather than an actual truth statement