My Week With The 911 Sport Classic [Better Than My GT3?]
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I get behind the wheel of the @Porsche #911 #SportClassic ... essentially a beautifully bespoke manual 911 Turbo.
On paper, this car is a 'bit of me' and potentially a bit more me than my own 911 GT3, so I spend a week with the car to find out if one day I might want to replace my car with a Sport Classic!
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What you've described is exactly what everyone said about the 997 Sport Classic when it came out. Lovely car, etc, but the value proposition simply doesn't stack up at all. Of course, the 997 SC has ended up being a real collector's car . . . and now sells for silly money. I assume the 992 SC will probably do the same thing? Personally, i get much more excited about the 992 S/T.
Yes and no I feel. The 992 has been produced in far greater numbers than the 997 (1250 Vs c.300 from memory?). Having been fortunate to experience both 997 and 992 Sport Classics, they're both special but I do feel the 997 is the more special car.
Hard to say on the values but if I had to guess I don’t think 992 SC will go as crazy high as the 997 SC.
They only made 250 997’s but are making 1250 992’s
The extra 1000 cars supplied should keep values more sensible
@@ajcgolf69that's for the world... 1k cars for the world... Isn't a lot.
Honestly I feel the 997 sport classic is only hyped because of the rarity compared to modern Porsche limited editions. Apart from the ducktail and Fuchs Felgen it was just a standard 997 with all options
Regarding the 992 sport classic: Good on people that can get it, but the ideal 992 sport classic would be a 992 gt3 touring manual with the sport classic‘s ducktail (and rear seat retrofit if you want that)
I'll have a Singer and a Sport Classic, please. And when I'm not driving them, I'll be staring at them, for hours, eating M&M’s.
The new S/T may be the sweet spot in the lineup. I hope you get the opportunity to drive that model.
Just stop this "sweet spot" nonsense, already...
Everything "in the middle" became "sweet spot".
The other one is OEM+. 🤦🏻♂️
Either something is OEM or it is not.
And until 992.2 comes out. And is a tiny bit better
@@tomasz899lol you good? Who hurt you? I get the sweet spot issue however the OP did use it correctly in questioning if the new product is a good middle ground. However sweet spot is quite subjective. OEM+ however is a correct distinction of products added to a vehicle that are offered by the OEM but not originally a part of the car. Like taking a standard Golf and putting a GTI or R component on it. All of it is OEM parts but the upfitting of a standard car with higher trim parts IS OEM+.
@@nolanmackey4175
But then it is not a standard Golf anymore. It is modified.
And people use this often for aftermarket suspension, wheels, other bits and bobs. You are standard or you are not.
OEM+ is just stupid term unless your golf could have exactly the same part as an option from factory.
Sweet spot is very subjective. Probably thats why it annoys me.
Sweet spot to what? 911 range? GT product range? What about GT3 Touring?
It is much cheaper and 90% the same car. How you measure this "sweet spot". By what criteria? It is just moonshine talk...
@@tomasz899 Sweet spot is whatever you want it to be. Personally for me this Sports Classic 911 without the decals would be my sweet spot. However for some people it might be a GT3 touring but it is subjective so I think you are looking way too deeply into this.
...and the GTS arguably sounds better when you wind it out. Perhaps you just need a 992 GT3 Touring instead.. slightly quieter, less nervous, ever so slightly softer.. cheaper.. Just a thought.. Great STG production as ever!!
He has a touring
The GT3 Touring is mechanically identical to the winged car.
@@jake4030 It is mechanically but there are some subtle difference.. The aero has been slightly adapted at the front to compensate for the lack of that rear wing, plus the camber is slightly less aggressive which helps to reduce the amount of bump steer and.. the tires are different and have a little bit more sidewall flex.
What a masterpiece the Sport Classic is! Especially looking at all the details in and out and the mechanical changes that were made from the 911 Turbo set-up
0:51, latest Porsche 911, they all look 95% similar. I am glad Porsche still offers manual, but I will never say Porsche 911's are unique beautiful cars.
I know you and many other TH-camrs are obsessed with manual gearboxes, but I still believe that pdk is the way to go on cars with this level of performance. I'm fortunate enough to have experience with both my 992GT3 Touring and a 992Turbo S and they both suit the pdk perfectly IMO. For normal road use the auto setting is fine and if you want 'involvement' a quick flick to manual and the paddle shifts will give you all the fun you need playing with the engine whilst concentrating on steering and braking inputs. Left foot braking is fun too. On track, even the great Richard Attwood says that you won't get a better set up than pdk in SportPlus mode.
So, no, I won't be interested in a Sport Classic, with it's detuned engine and two wheel drive, a job the Turbo S does much better IMO. The Touring does a different job altogether as Sam says, there's nothing much out there with an engine sound like that one...
IMO, the best manual 911 'turbo' for road use is not the GTS but the T. GBP120-130K fully optioned, depending on whether you choose PTS. The only downside for me is that you can only have a black interior, though for most people this would not seem to be an issue, as that's what most people choose. Why the T over the GTS? IMO, the T has more than enough power for the road, and the smaller turbos are essentially always on boost and deliver a more linear response. The T is also cheaper, although the whole 911 range is now rather expensive, especially when compared with the Boxster/Cayman range. As always, YMMV.
Saw that you dropped into the Madding Cafe at Whipley Manor Farm in Palmers Cross just south of Guildford. We use Taurus Wines situated there for all our supplies so it was easy to recognise when you pulled in from the A281. 😊
YES. It’s definitely better without doubt
As a modern design I have to agree - certainly one of the best! Compared to an 80’s and 90’s 911 exterior design… not even close though! 😁 great video!
It might benefit you to stop positioning your hands at 10-2 and move to 9-3. Better leverage for when the rear steps out and quick correction is needed. Also, if you crash and deploy the airbags you are less prone to punching yourself in the face. Another great video Sam!
It took a bit of getting used to but 3&9 feels natural to me now. Also, I don't wrap my thumbs inside the wheel; I don't want them snapped off by the airbag either.
I had a Porsche factory driver tell me 3&9. He stated that Porsche designs the steering wheels for one’s thumbs to lock in at those positions
When I learnt to drive *40yrs ago, You were taught the “quarter to three” positioning. “Ten to Two” was NOT a thing. Now that we have more inconsiderate and less educated drivers on the roads the airbag has replaced driver intelligence. If you use the “quarter to three” position in a car with airbag(s) on the steering wheel; you stand the slightly higher chance of performing a dissection of your hands known as “de-gloving” if the airbag is deployed. This means that you can in the millionth of a second the airbag inflates in peel the skin, tendons from your hand. So smashing your face and breaking your hands against your face, I think, is better than NEVER being able to eat or play or write, etc… Your choice. Thank for reading.
@@davidjames-maddaford4531wow, thanks for letting me know about a new nightmare fuel
I love Sam. Im always promoting his videos between my friends but one of my best friends refuses to watch him simply because he cant stand the way he holds the steering wheel 😂😂
Does the Sports Classic come with two functioning driveshafts? If so, I think I can see what it offers over the GT3.
Forget the GTS, a Carrera T is all the 911 you need :)
Sam you always capture the beauty of living with these cars
Beautiful roads, popping in to coffee shops
Makes me almost like England lol
Really enjoy the rear seat camera position while driving. Stick and tach in view … thx
Can hear Tony… “Pointless” and “Crash” when referring to 550bhp, rwd, manual, turbo 🤣
I do love the way these look though 👌
This is my bucket list car. So fortunate Sam to spend some quality time to really evaluate the vehicle beyond the short term impressions. Well done.
Miami FL- West Broward Porsche has 2 of this flavor listed for $650,000 Mental
You can spec a GT3 to the same spec as the sport classic. I’ve seen actually a GT3 Touring on sale with heritage design wooden interior. The Porsche Sonderwunsch (Special Request) will do anything you want
The green dials and wooden trim are also added when you choose the heritage design interior on other models.
Depends which region the leather replaces the wood
Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam. YOU NEED that car. Get it man. Life is short. Make some more videos. I promise to watch, commend and like every one.
Nobody is looking at this car as a practical daily drive. Every single person who will eventually get one of these will be a collector. And unfortunately you will rarely see done on the road. Having said that I saw two at my local Porsche dealer BBQ on Friday. One drove in and one in showroom.
Nice tour of the Kingston, Hampton Wick, Ham etc areas
This is a good video Sam
I am always teasing Porsche lovers. “Oh boy, another upside down bathtub. We haven’t seen one of these in, oh 70 years. What’s this one have a titanium ash tray? Let’s declare another model number.”
Both great cars - But sometimes you don’t get the chance to choose. It’s up to the OPC to decide what your buying ! But you got PTS and chose an awesome colour ! ❤
Loved the driving scenes and sounds through the Forrest on the sunny day.
You got me excited then Sam when you mentioned Tony. I thought he was going to feature!
Unfortunately you can’t spec the 5 spoke wheels or the heritage interior on a GTS…. that was my ideal spec, I had to compromise on mine. You’d have to do that on a C2S - and save even MORE money!
Agree that it is one of the most beautiful 911's... saw a similar spec in Chicago on Sunday and it's absolutely captivating! And that was even with a F1 GTR in Gulf livery nearby 😉
Just happy for you that you've gone from a Jaguar F-Type to a GT3 ... yep long time subscriber here.
I've been waiting for Sam to review this beautiful car!
Absolute Perfect spec.
The SC and GT3 are different beasts, and you just need both! However, all 1250 are allocated so both you and I have buckleys of getting one new.
The ST will be a much better machine, but that too is fully allocated at 1963.
For info to others. You can easily change the seat inserts (I did mine in tartan), and the ducktail is available from DB Carbon in DE. So yes a GTS is the way to go on a budget.
How refreshing is it to see a 911 interior with some zing ? Plus Burmister sound system …. Fantastic looking car, great content !
My favourite beetle yet 😊
Such a beauty. I mean the car.
Dude you need to meet up with Luke of Cars With Luke. Your video dropped around the same time as his video of his GT3 ownership experience. Given that both of you have the best cinematography and also both own GT3's, you're brothers of different mothers, quite literally!
Final thoughts on just ordering a special GTS is a good conclusion :)
Great video as always.
I agree, The looks of It are lovely - not to say you couldn't get near it elsewhere in the 911 line up. But as an out the showroom example its almost perfect.
My dealer has one of these listed for $650k!!
You’re paying $400k ADM for a ducktail.
And there are DF’s with more money than sense that will pay it! Amazingly.
I like Sam, and whilst I've watched since the 4C days, I've set a counter for every time he says "whilst" and just click off the video by the tenth time and whilst it may seem like I'd get further, I barely reach the mid-point, and whilst this may seem like a problem, I keep clicking on the next one whilst I eat my lunch
The best 911 to take on a road trip? Steve McQueen's green 911S in the opening of LeMans.
I totally understand you 😅. I would prefer this car over the gt3. Price ? How does that matter if you can buy this new and sell it for much more later down the line.
All the modern Sport classic cars are special. The targa is the one I love the most, having had one and completed 8000 miles in one. With every 911 it is about how it makes you feel and how special it is when you look back at it. The other point is about watching carefully the values, when to buy and when to sell. Porsche is now producing so many "special editions" which are collectable its a tough decision if you have the funds or finance options to suit. However just as the 911R was the ultimate a few years back and the 911ST is about to be the latest super special car. Maybe your ultimate Sam would be a 911 ST Speedster. Swan song for the 992?? 992.2 not far away....
Current Porsche bargain the first Caymen GT4. Great time to buy that car which surely will return to classic status soon.
I am usually not a fan of “collectible” 911s, but this is such a lovely spec, I see why I want it
Kingston acting as a lovely backdrop for some B Roll there 😉
I’d have done it in Gulf Blue with that interior. With orange brake calipers. But honestly, the 911T spec is more than enough for any road car.
Fun fact, the sport classic they used to have at Alexander's was previously owned by Harry Styles.
Great conclusion. I'm glad the collectors are out there that will spend the $$$ on special edition cars but being one that loves to drive what they own, the concept is lost on me. Great video like always.
That interior....... stunning
This Sport Classic spec is gorgeous!!!! 😍
To me the 997 Sport Classic is far more beautiful, an absolute stunner
Once the next GT2 comes along...
If you don't come to Perth I'll bloody well haunt you.
Hope you can make it, Sam
15:58 Wrong you cannot get any of the options you mentioned on the GTS models. However, the heritage interior is available for the rest of the range as a very pricey option. The Sport Classic wheels cannot be specced on any other 911, as well as that colour.
This is the most nerdy Porsche video ever, I love it😂👏🏻🤝🏼🍻
That interior is lovely
Of course its better than your GT3... IT WORKS! 😂🤣😂
This is a good video Sam, congrats, very well explained.
A great daily that’ll never be used like one.
"Guten abend, my darling. Wochaa Wachaaa" 🤣🤣
That whole interior is available for £7k or so in a base 911. I specced one online. Then a litchfield ecu flash. Le bingo.
And now the S/T is a thing …. A spectacular thing
If you have the money.. The Sport Classic is the one to have.
I love the colour scheme. I own a white car (370z). I’d love some subtle decals, maybe something like this :-)
And with a GTS you could get a sunroof on a GTS or a targa GTS with heritage interior. But heritage edition interior removes ventilated seats. I like that the ccrnter stripe is painted on. Porsche should offer painted stripes on the GT3.
I think this has to be the pick of the range doesn't it. I really would buy one if I ever had the mony. Just looks superb.
I like my BoxEngine served with a manual clog, there is no such thing as a redundant left leg even in the London traffic, nothing beats analog Porsche 911 and the classic looks like a modern incarnation of classic Porsche 911.
Yeah!! That colour and those wheels!! OMG!! 😍🥰🤩
Wow that is a nice looking car.
The GTS is always going to be the sweet spot in the 911 lineup, since it’s kind of conceived with that specific goal in mind. Sport classic will appreciate but you need to be pretty well off and connected to get one in the first place.
sweet spot is the spec/variant you want. not the GTS.
@@aviator-kn8zq I guess we are arguing over semantics. The sweet spot for me is the car that does everything pretty well, which is the GTS, but the car I want is a GT3.
Very cool sam . Looks like porsche been keep u will taken care of while ur gt3 is in for repair plus with some work for your channels
Yes love the look both inside and out 👌
Beautiful car! Sam is one lucky lizard person 😂
I dig this spec. It an awesome bit of kit
Porsche trying to bring out their own modern “Singer” style model 🤔 Love it 😏
Very interesting comparison. It seems that a 911 GT3 is in its own league. So, no clash there.
So they could paint it any PTS colour and they painted it primer grey
FYI, @ 15:15 you mention that the 911 Turbo Classic is the only turbo one can get in a manual transmission.
What about both the 911 GTS & 911 T that are also turbos & one can get them in a manual 7 speed
⚙️📦 ?
Wonderful video. Always enjoy your knowledge and enthusiasm.
However, at 70 years old and having owned a number of “fun” cars, I have lost interest in the differences between Porsche models. I’m likely a minority on this channel but I’ll continue watching for the entertainment value.
Cool interior combination! 😍😍😍
… and ECU tune the GTS and maybe change the exhaust and then you have similar power to the Sport Classic. But, if it is a daily you are looking for, 4wd and DCT are awfully convenient.
Great video Sam, genuinely.
In the United States there are 6 of these available. They're all priced $300 USD over sticker.
I'd have one in a heartbeat, although saying that I'd have it alongside a GT3 and a Turbo s 😂. GT3 as a Sunday morning coffee blast or Road trip car, Turbo S as the daily and the Sport Classic as the special occasion/car meet car. If I could only have 1 it would be the GT3 and if I could have 2 it would be that and the Turbo S but if I was a collector being speculative you have to go sport classic. So in short in truly Porsche fashion they've made a 911 for every occasion so we'll played Porsche.
Wow, when I first saw the list price on the SC, I thought that there would be no way that would be worth it considering what other options you have with all the different 911s. But honestly, it's beautiful in that color, the exterior and interior set up is spectacular, you get so much torque, and the rear wheel drive, 7 speeds, and mechanical changes are huge.
However, I don't think anything has caught my attention quite as much as the 911 S/T. I believe that will be the ultimate 911 variation for road use. Though it may not quite be the best daily driver considering the lightweight flywheel and the challenging clutch.
Nevertheless, that's the one I'm desperate to hear about with the first test drives. The GT3RS is absurd in it's capabilities, but I don't think that would be great as a daily, and that wing is just too outrageous despite the downforce it provides. Can't roll up to the supermarket with that without looking like a bit of a child. However, if you could get the duck tail on the S/T, that would be my ultimate 911
Good honest video as usual 👌
I need to get that.....❤😮
The 992 Carrera S and GTS with a manual are rwd, manual turbo nowadays!
Wasn't fussed about these until I saw one on the road, lots of road presence.
Please tell me you're bringing the podcast to Perth Sam!
Raheel at Alexander prestige is the best
How many of these are allocated to the UK? Honestly this will be a bit more special than a GT3 Touring I believe. Limited production run on a spec otherwise unavailable.
Following your channel since the Carrera T, you should get a 991 GT3 Touring and drive it for a million miles, which is exactly what I’m going to do. Approaching 50k km so far, still a way to go 😅
Amazing, as always!
This lad is like Frank Spencer reviewing a motor... hmmm Betty
Porsche should seriously consider the “assassin” example you demonstrated for their marketing arsenal (see what I did there…😂)