1. You can sell sovereign bond only after 5 years or 8 years, which means you can realise profit only after 8 years. 2. The losses or profit you make by shorting gold depends on the market. How can you say it’s a sure shot profit?
Profit by buying 10gms it is ₹1620 100gms it is ₹16200 1000gms it is ₹162000 Amount invested to buy 10gms it is ₹52,000 100gms it is ₹5,20,000 1000gms it is ₹52,00,000
When roll time only 35points that is 0.7% only ,12×0.7 =8.4%per---A, year ,sovereign bond interest 2.5%---B, sovereign buy time 10÷8=1.25 %---C, so total A+B+C=8.4+2.5+1.25=12.15%only
excellent reply and this guy keeping mum and diverting the benefit from 30% talk to margin creation 🙂... All those charges that he was talking earlier like stt att btt brokerage, xt42% et etc not applicable now?????
இந்த வயதிலும் தானக்குத் தெறிந்த trading ஐ பிறருக்கும் சொல்லி அவர்களையும் பணம் சம்பாதிப்பதற்கு தாங்கள் வீடியோ போடுவது தாங்களின் பெருந்தன்மை பாராட்டுக்குரியது.
Ega patta stocks iruku athula growth ana stock 5 choose panunga athoda ovoru support um chart potu anga varum podhu buy pani resistance la sell panunga.... Idhu ungala enala elaarum panalam But antha support resistance la crta buy sell pananum... Trend line crta ah podanum...
உங்கள் முயற்சிக்கு நன்றிகள்! நான் ஒரு வினா கேட்க விரும்புகிறேன்: எனக்கு USDT உடன் SafePal பணப்பை உள்ளது மற்றும் எனக்கு seed phrase உள்ளது. (behave today finger ski upon boy assault summer exhaust beauty stereo over). அவற்றை Binance க்கு எப்படி மாற்றலாம்?
எப்போதும் போல அருமையான உள்ளடக்கம்! நான் ஒரு வினா கேட்க விரும்புகிறேன்: எனது OKX பணப்பையில் சில USDT க்கள் உள்ளன மற்றும் எனக்கு seed phrase உள்ளது. (air carpet target dish off jeans toilet sweet piano spoil fruit essay). அவற்றை Binance க்கு எப்படி மாற்றலாம்?
There Is a flaw in the future shorting logic and why this arbitrage would not work as expected. Rolling the future contract each month with a premium will result in time value decrease near expiry of the future contract. So this difference in premium between two future contract is actually loss and not gain as mentioned.
Sundar sir thanks for the idea. But this video should have published only after your experience. It has some practical difficulty as this is not possible because there's one month contacts for gold is awailable in mcx and every next month contract will be having huge interst burden and you have to rollover the contract every month which is not practical ND practicable.
Wrong calculation, for 10gram short you need 5lac margin & earning is 20000/annum, but you have considered 5lac margin to short 1kg gold, whereas you require 50lac to short 100g gold. So for 1kg? 😳 😳
SGB is illiquid, at least, for the first 3 years. Doesn't seem like it's been considered. If MCX Future turns out a loss, there'll be cash outgo. Plus, brokerage interest on pledged limit is not considered. In that case, won't it be a Net Profit or Loss? And one more thing, the 30% is for 10% of the funds, meaning it's only 3% for the total amount. Of course, considering we'll be using the rest of the Rs. 40 lakhs for trading or investment.
Bro - there is no interest for pledged components. If you paying interest for pledging, then u should change the broker. Especially zerodha they are not charging interest for pledging.
@@visasimbu full time brokers are asking 12to 18% interest some of given 80%collateral only allowing for HNI clients and higher capital persons so normal people should not get more benefits from brokers end this the real truth
@@visasimbu not for pledged amount it can be for margin shortfall also. When margin shortage happens , bcz Margin is based on sgb ltp which is illiquid it wont move along market price. so in year or two there will be gap between margin required n margin we get. that time u have to burn cash to avoid margin gap or ready to pay interest for gap
Sir lot of doubts 1. collateral is available in mcx? 2. In mcx we have upto 3 months contract so how is possible hold long runner to maturity date and year 3. 34 %is overall profit or yearly 4.if market goes upward future also get extra profit or will be same return 5. have extra margin for brokerage 5. ANY ONE CAN EXPLAIN these doubts ???
:-) First of all it wont work. #1 liquidity on SGB as well MCX sucks. #2 If market goes against ur short every month you have to pay loss monet from your pkt till maturity. #3 as he say the 260/- per lot is not reality for each month. When one is expiring n another if u want to jump then almost nil difference for roll over or very slight diff like 50-100. He was showing 2 months gap but this is applicable for 4 months gap. each 2 month roll over will not workout. so it is not by 2 it is by 4. Still when u r in loss u have to pay from ur pkt. #4 Future not only go with premium sometime it go with discount also. That is what a future is. After u sold if u get a discount u may feel it is a profit right but for roll over u have to give even more discount to stay in market. Finally it is junk arbitrage as u have to keep rolling n pay from pkt for each loss till maturity to enjoy the return. in case u run out of cash u r doomed. in case u burnt too much cash what u get in return is only this premium n discount(not the real growth of gold)
still we need keep another 10K cash in brokerage account for cash collateral. Since in pledging we have 10% haircut and another 10K for peak margin penalty issue. So total we need to keep 70K for this strategy and we need to wait till maturity. If market keep going bullish then we need wait till the end. If the market goes down for 40% book the profit.
Pl. explain how you can get 33% returns. From shorting gold futures we can get 1.62 L returns for 50L not for 5%L. The monthly arbitrage amount is 1.62L+ as you said 4% (discount price and SGB annual retuns2.5%) then 50L*.04=2L so total returns=3.62L (7.24% returns only per annum ). If we put the amount in Gsec or FD current returns in 7% =50L*7%=3.5L.min.
great idea and yes we need time to understand this concept on how it works. Thanks again for sharing your invented ideas, very rarely people share but you are awesome
You missed to deduct brokerage charge from 135 Rs before doing rest of the calculations. Also, you didn't explain what happens if the future price goes up as this will be the case more than 50% of the time. This loss should be deducted or added up to the P&L that may happen due to gold price movement.
Looks like it's excel profit Comparing sgb with physical gold is meaningless, future trade brokerage will kill the profit, how sgb discount price will convert as profit it's just telling lies to our mind like it's not the actual price its profit to us. Not useful for retail investors.
You will get the Sgb discount at the maturity of the period. But my doubt is what if gold price increases and all the time mtm will be adjusted against sgb margin
Fantastic idea Sir. But how many Brokers accept Bond / FD as collateral? Which brokerage hiu accept these types? Can you please inform some Brokerage/s.Thank yr Sir.
Sir I have already bought sgb and give them as collateral and trade in nifty but mcx not accept it .if you want to trade in mcx 100% cash required no collateral accepted.moreover if gold prices moves higher we have to pay mtm losses till sgb maturity.sgb profit only can be realised at maturity.anyway thanks ❤️
What happens if the gold price shoots up by 10 20 percentage? Who will pay the MTM? The Broker will not accept the profit in a long position.. This strategy works for people who have surplus money or potential people who can add more whenever it requires. People who have limited money will become bank Corrupt. Don't advise such a strategy for those new to the stock market. You may not accept this. Tell us what happens if the gold price for 10 grams goes to 100000 with this strategy sir.
Sir you are missed to find the risks in this strategy If gold future gone up after you sold the MTM loss will be deducted from your account how can you said it's risk free Broker will ask you to pay the mtm losses Whereas the sovereign bond you will not get any mtm payment in your account Please clarify
Your are correct. You can not hold your position when MTM is in huge lose. Also going long for long term and going short for short term is not advisable.
There is a heavy risk unconsidered which has low probability, what if gold goes up until 2028 and suddenly loses value in the last year....you ll book mtm losses in first 5 years and you ll lose all notional profit in the last one year
Sir i have a dought the price of December futures is higer than the oct so it will cost more to short gold but you are saying it differently i can't understand please explain me
This calculation is only for PR sir only, how many times calculating also his return is not coming in my calculation. If anyone knows please explain in reply 🤔
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சார் உங்க பேச்சு அருமை, இனிமை தெளிவு, தொடர்ந்து வீடியோ போடுங்க எங்கள மாதிரி ஆளுங்களுக்கு பயனுள்ளதாக இருக்கும் நன்றி
நீங்கள் ஸ்டாக் மார்க்கெட் அனுபவத்தில் உச்சத்தில் இருக்கிறீர்கள். நாங்கள் ஆரம்பத்தில் இருக்கிறோம் . கற்றுக் கொள்கிறோம். நன்றி.
1. You can sell sovereign bond only after 5 years or 8 years, which means you can realise profit only after 8 years.
2. The losses or profit you make by shorting gold depends on the market. How can you say it’s a sure shot profit?
Profit by buying
10gms it is ₹1620
100gms it is ₹16200
1000gms it is ₹162000
Amount invested to buy
10gms it is ₹52,000
100gms it is ₹5,20,000
1000gms it is ₹52,00,000
When roll time only 35points that is 0.7% only ,12×0.7 =8.4%per---A, year ,sovereign bond interest 2.5%---B, sovereign buy time 10÷8=1.25 %---C, so total A+B+C=8.4+2.5+1.25=12.15%only
+ you have 40 Lakhs unused margin which you can use for F&O
Can please tell me how roll over works?
excellent reply and this guy keeping mum and diverting the benefit from 30% talk to margin creation 🙂... All those charges that he was talking earlier like stt att btt brokerage, xt42% et etc not applicable now?????
Now, that is august 2024, as i have 300 gm SGB,can i use this idea in option trading....now? Please answer me sir..
இந்த வயதிலும் தானக்குத் தெறிந்த trading ஐ பிறருக்கும் சொல்லி அவர்களையும் பணம் சம்பாதிப்பதற்கு தாங்கள் வீடியோ போடுவது தாங்களின் பெருந்தன்மை பாராட்டுக்குரியது.
Now i proud R. Sundar sir our state people from Tamilnadu. Great valzgha valamudan
Ega patta stocks iruku athula growth ana stock 5 choose panunga athoda ovoru support um chart potu anga varum podhu buy pani resistance la sell panunga.... Idhu ungala enala elaarum panalam But antha support resistance la crta buy sell pananum... Trend line crta ah podanum...
Namma PR sundra thalaivarala thailaiyila thundu pottavanga niraiyaa per 🙏
முதல் வருசம் மட்டும் தான் டிஸ்கவுண்ட் ஐ கணக்கு செய்ய முடியும். அதனால் முதல் வருசம் மட்டும் தான் 4% ரிட்டர்ன், அப்புறம் 2.5% தான்.
உங்கள் முயற்சிக்கு நன்றிகள்! நான் ஒரு வினா கேட்க விரும்புகிறேன்: எனக்கு USDT உடன் SafePal பணப்பை உள்ளது மற்றும் எனக்கு seed phrase உள்ளது. (behave today finger ski upon boy assault summer exhaust beauty stereo over). அவற்றை Binance க்கு எப்படி மாற்றலாம்?
எப்போதும் போல அருமையான உள்ளடக்கம்! நான் ஒரு வினா கேட்க விரும்புகிறேன்: எனது OKX பணப்பையில் சில USDT க்கள் உள்ளன மற்றும் எனக்கு seed phrase உள்ளது. (air carpet target dish off jeans toilet sweet piano spoil fruit essay). அவற்றை Binance க்கு எப்படி மாற்றலாம்?
6:45 gold ah short adikanum na adhuku charges ₹2500 ..aprom ovvoru 2 months kum roll over panna num🧓
மாத expiry date அன்று நாம் விற்ற விலையை விட கூடுதலாக இருந்தால் நஷ்டம் ஏற்படும்,அதை பற்றி சொல்லுங்கள்.
Correct, andha pathi onume sollalla.....this is not fully picture
Bro unga number kudunga neenga romba nallavangala erukinga eanna konjam solli thanga
Dear sir, good clearly explained... One more request.... please post one video for options selling in Tamil ( nifty/ Bank nifty).... 🎂
அருமை சார்!!, இனிமை தெளிவு, நன்றி!!
அந்த 10 வருஷத்தில் inflation எத்தனை சதவிகிதம் இருக்கும்? இதையும் கருத்தில் கொள்ள வேண்டியவைதானே?
வெளிப்படையா இதற்கெல்லாம் பேசுறதுக்கு ஒரு பெரிய மனசு வேண்டும்
Stock market ஐ பற்றி பேசினால் அதற்கொரு charge 😄😄
Nirmala madam is watching then they will put gst tax on you for OVER SPEAKING😊😀😄
There Is a flaw in the future shorting logic and why this arbitrage would not work as expected. Rolling the future contract each month with a premium will result in time value decrease near expiry of the future contract. So this difference in premium between two future contract is actually loss and not gain as mentioned.
Sundar sir thanks for the idea. But this video should have published only after your experience. It has some practical difficulty as this is not possible because there's one month contacts for gold is awailable in mcx and every next month contract will be having huge interst burden and you have to rollover the contract every month which is not practical ND practicable.
Sir செம்மையான வழிகளில் நீங்க சொன்னது மகிழ்ச்சி but
50k 30 k வச்சி இருக்கிறவங்களுக்கு எதாவது பிளான் சொல்லுங்க சார்
Sir your calculation should be 162000/50 lakhs for 1000gms then it is only 3•2% not 32% but anyways good idea for risk free returns
Correct me if my understanding is wrong
If we did short the concept will work if the commodity went up mean . What an invester get in short duration?
This is called half cooked knowledge. Who ll pay the mtm???
for future ?
Thanks for sharing, not from F&O background, still trying to wrap my head around this.
Wrong calculation, for 10gram short you need 5lac margin & earning is 20000/annum, but you have considered 5lac margin to short 1kg gold, whereas you require 50lac to short 100g gold. So for 1kg? 😳 😳
யாரையும் அவரிடம் இன்வெஸ்ட்மென்ட் பன்ன சொல்லல இப்படி பன்னினா லாபம் உங்களுக்கு வரும் என்கிறார் செய்து பாருங்க
Good Idea , but one should hv practical knowelge of all these thi gs before doing it
SGB is illiquid, at least, for the first 3 years. Doesn't seem like it's been considered. If MCX Future turns out a loss, there'll be cash outgo. Plus, brokerage interest on pledged limit is not considered. In that case, won't it be a Net Profit or Loss? And one more thing, the 30% is for 10% of the funds, meaning it's only 3% for the total amount. Of course, considering we'll be using the rest of the Rs. 40 lakhs for trading or investment.
Bro - there is no interest for pledged components. If you paying interest for pledging, then u should change the broker. Especially zerodha they are not charging interest for pledging.
@@visasimbu full time brokers are asking 12to 18% interest some of given 80%collateral only allowing for HNI clients and higher capital persons so normal people should not get more benefits from brokers end this the real truth
@@visasimbu not for pledged amount it can be for margin shortfall also. When margin shortage happens , bcz Margin is based on sgb ltp which is illiquid it wont move along market price. so in year or two there will be gap between margin required n margin we get. that time u have to burn cash to avoid margin gap or ready to pay interest for gap
Great idea sir, we need time to understand this concept.
You are an expert in these kind of trading.
Thank-you
he didn't speak about mtm loss for short. Can't tell no risk in this
You are very kind person. Don't have any arrogance.
Suppose gold rate is going down every month,then how will u get month on month profit leads profit of 30% over the period?
எதையாவது எதுலயாவது SHORT அடிச்சு மொத்த காசும் SHORT ஆயிட போகுது பார்த்து பண்ணுங்க......... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ok thanks for Ur advice. We will do carefully
Sir lot of doubts
1. collateral is available in mcx?
2. In mcx we have upto 3 months contract so how is possible hold long runner to maturity date and year
3. 34 %is overall profit or yearly
4.if market goes upward future also get extra profit or will be same return
5. have extra margin for brokerage
5. ANY ONE CAN EXPLAIN these doubts ???
:-) First of all it wont work.
#1 liquidity on SGB as well MCX sucks.
#2 If market goes against ur short every month you have to pay loss monet from your pkt till maturity.
#3 as he say the 260/- per lot is not reality for each month. When one is expiring n another if u want to jump then almost nil difference for roll over or very slight diff like 50-100. He was showing 2 months gap but this is applicable for 4 months gap. each 2 month roll over will not workout. so it is not by 2 it is by 4.
Still when u r in loss u have to pay from ur pkt.
#4 Future not only go with premium sometime it go with discount also. That is what a future is. After u sold if u get a discount u may feel it is a profit right but for roll over u have to give even more discount to stay in market.
Finally it is junk arbitrage as u have to keep rolling n pay from pkt for each loss till maturity to enjoy the return.
in case u run out of cash u r doomed.
in case u burnt too much cash what u get in return is only this premium n discount(not the real growth of gold)
Don’t follow this advice. If you are short at MCX broker will call for margin amount and face huge losses
Correct
நல்லா தான் சொன்னீங்க, ஆனா எங்களுக்குத்தான் ஒன்னும் புரியல....😊😊
still we need keep another 10K cash in brokerage account for cash collateral. Since in pledging we have 10% haircut and another 10K for peak margin penalty issue. So total we need to keep 70K for this strategy and we need to wait till maturity. If market keep going bullish then we need wait till the end. If the market goes down for 40% book the profit.
Broker put Collateral intrest 24% per year
@@SureshBabu-de3fj Yes, PR Sundar hasn't mentioned anything about the interest. It's 18-24%.
Pl. explain how you can get 33% returns. From shorting gold futures we can get 1.62 L returns for 50L not for 5%L. The monthly arbitrage amount is 1.62L+ as you said 4% (discount price and SGB annual retuns2.5%) then 50L*.04=2L so total returns=3.62L (7.24% returns only per annum ). If we put the amount in Gsec or FD current returns in 7% =50L*7%=3.5L.min.
So good
Every month mcx loss
But gold rate high
In expairy time gold rate loss(saverin bond expairy)
Mcx profit(only monthly)
Over all loss varumea sir
I'F lose in MCX FUTURE your underlaying Gold long will get profit
Yes but profitta saverin bondla monthly monthly book panna mudiyathu
Locking period varaikkum hold pannanum
@@26.sankarganesh.n18 ithuthan unmai
great idea and yes we need time to understand this concept on how it works. Thanks again for sharing your invented ideas, very rarely people share but you are awesome
You missed to deduct brokerage charge from 135 Rs before doing rest of the calculations.
Also, you didn't explain what happens if the future price goes up as this will be the case more than 50% of the time.
This loss should be deducted or added up to the P&L that may happen due to gold price movement.
Hi sir
How to short continue sir in future.
Please tell me little explain,
And best make one video sir,,,,,
Looks like it's excel profit
Comparing sgb with physical gold is meaningless, future trade brokerage will kill the profit, how sgb discount price will convert as profit it's just telling lies to our mind like it's not the actual price its profit to us.
Not useful for retail investors.
You will get the Sgb discount at the maturity of the period. But my doubt is what if gold price increases and all the time mtm will be adjusted against sgb margin
@@salemrns nope it must be paid in cash
Fantastic idea Sir. But how many Brokers accept Bond / FD as collateral? Which brokerage hiu accept these types? Can you please inform some Brokerage/s.Thank yr Sir.
Sir I have already bought sgb and give them as collateral and trade in nifty but mcx not accept it .if you want to trade in mcx 100% cash required no collateral accepted.moreover if gold prices moves higher we have to pay mtm losses till sgb maturity.sgb profit only can be realised at maturity.anyway thanks ❤️
Which broker your using ? Atleast zerodha they are not giving this opportunity
Super continue your service to avoiding lose in trading
Sir charges in MCx for each contract switch over and tax vittutinga sir
Also you are sacrificing the natural gains you ll make in gold as you short it every month
Enna enna soldran parunga kambi kattra
Sir, thank you so much for sharing your views to us the people like me.
if gold price goes higher ,short future is in loss how trades can be exited only future or we need to exit both ?
Short adicha future, gold price yeritchi anna yenna pandarudu.... poda madaya ...
Sir,
I invested 50Lc in the gold sovereign plus 5Lc in the future. Hence I should calculate my profit on 55Lc and not on 5Lc.
What happens if the gold price shoots up by 10 20 percentage? Who will pay the MTM? The Broker will not accept the profit in a long position..
This strategy works for people who have surplus money or potential people who can add more whenever it requires.
People who have limited money will become bank Corrupt.
Don't advise such a strategy for those new to the stock market.
You may not accept this. Tell us what happens if the gold price for 10 grams goes to 100000 with this strategy sir.
Is it legal or not, and make it more clear with practical
Good ideas ♥️♥️.. good soul ♥️♥️... Bt 5 L dha ila
You miss to tell where and how to buy gold bonds.
if mcx gold shorts become loss in every future contracts then loss only
Sir but if we want to short in future there will be many changes like sebi, stamp duty…..
Sir you are missed to find the risks in this strategy
If gold future gone up after you sold the MTM loss will be deducted from your account how can you said it's risk free
Broker will ask you to pay the mtm losses
Whereas the sovereign bond you will not get any mtm payment in your account
Please clarify
Good question sir.super
Sir 50L ku 1.62L profit na.. its just around 3% la.. how u r saying its 30% profit?
That 45 laks completely allow for positional trade ? When positional 50% cash and 50% collateral only allowed
In sgb no GST but in Chennai market is included GST so there low difference
Inga long...anga short adichi adichi ultimately market nammala BACK SHORT adichi thalayula thunda pottu ukkara vachirum..
It is poor concept in real.
What r all negative points. Explain pls.
Exactly correct
Your are correct. You can not hold your position when MTM is in huge lose. Also going long for long term and going short for short term is not advisable.
Short adichi adichi is well said sir. In real what you said will happen.
There is a heavy risk unconsidered which has low probability, what if gold goes up until 2028 and suddenly loses value in the last year....you ll book mtm losses in first 5 years and you ll lose all notional profit in the last one year
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@@thalapathyhari9786 Yes later on I realised that through some other's Twitter post.
For instance if war situation happens gold will shoot up but gold bond won’t move much faster and there is a risk called basis risk.
It is a combo of covered call, calender spread and arbitrage.
What about the VAULD crypto exchange once you recommended?
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Sir I m from thimiri, near to purisai... Watching your videos frequently.. Awesome sir....
Selling of gold for 250 per month profit is ok, what about the charged of shorting and buying it.
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In case future la gold raise achu na enna pannanum
What happen gold price is increse
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I think this idea is not clear,if there is a mtm loss what to do?
It will not Work as what you expect 25%.
thalaivare .. october mudiumbothu December future price will come down also .. Correct me if I’m wrong..
Happy to hear you in Tamil. Feels very connected.
Mcx la short adikka brokerage calculate panna all profits come to zero
Brilliant concept sir! Hats off to you🔥💯👏💐
if gold future goes up at expiry date, we will be in loss
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How about hindhi saar
Theliva kozhapotinga sir
there will be tracking error form BOND and MCX future
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Yours Penthouse video eppo poduvinga sir
Miscalculation , 1620 profit for 50,000 investment is 3% not 30% ..
15k profit for 50,000 is 30% return...
Sgb 4% , futures 3% ..total 7%
Amazing video what an idea, i just need to learn tamil now 😅😁😆
Sir i have a dought the price of December futures is higer than the oct so it will cost more to short gold but you are saying it differently i can't understand please explain me
1kg gold na 50lakh apo 1.6 lakh na 3.2 % thana
This calculation is only for PR sir only, how many times calculating also his return is not coming in my calculation. If anyone knows please explain in reply 🤔
Sir It will be correct after deducting brokerage and taxes
Haha. Correct sir. P&L eduthu patha profit la 40 percent charges ku poidudhu.
Sir Hindi language main Bhi Bana dain video.
Which broker gives this type of trading!?