@@MilsurpGarage I think it was the best that Peterson and Browning ever came up with. Mine had the solid rib , full choke barrel. That is and was one of the nicest ( built for gauge ) 👍👍👍 size shotguns I ever carried. Only used mine once on a sporting clays range. 2 shells allowed so it’s loading was not an issue and you are s hooting in a cage so to speak. Mossberg 500’s 20 and 12 gauges and I do not mind a top safeties as my side by sides all have them .
I enjoy the longer ones and it's good for my short attention span, kinda like a workout but honestly it's pretty easy to stick to it all the way through. Fascinating stuff, educational and fun. Looking forward to the next ones!
Thanks! I appreciate the positive feedback. Take a look back at my past videos….sounds like you would enjoy a lot of the content in the Milsurp Garage library!
Been watching your channel a while. Just now got around to commenting, You are my favorite channel on you tube. Lots of very cool old guns and I love history and I get a lesson with each video!
Great video, thank you. Ithaca added a top extractor that the Remington 17 didn’t have because of difficulty extracting the fired hull. A lot of the first 37’s were sent back to Ithaca because of extracting problems so they added the top extractor.
Walter Claude Synder wrote a book on the history of the Ithaca mod 37. I have that book I got mine in 1997 for about $90.00 Amazon has it for $345.00 now 😡 it is the complete history of the 37. Very good! It is in there that he talks about the top extractor being added with complete prints and drawings.
Concerning your question whether Ithaca scaled down the model 37 frame size for their 20ga (and 16ga) offerings ... the answer is "Yes"! Both 16ga and 20 ga guns share the same frame (receiver). Great video BTW! The history and the names of the individual designers involved in the evolution of all these fine, pump-action shotguns is just another pleasing factor for all of us caretakers out there who still cherish hunting with, shooting, and collecting these vintage American-made shotguns. Please keep up your good work!
No need at all to feel bad for shooting a couple of 15's at 16yd trap with a 20 ga "field gun". Had you instead been shooting a shotgun with a higher-combed "trap" stock - one purposely designed for fast rising targets - no doubt, your scores would've at least been in the 20's that day. Most "Field stocks" typically shoot flat (50/50 pattern) and can quickly steal your lunch money from you on fast rising targets unless you remember to cover or completely block out your target .... especially on the straight aways. "Trap grade stocks" already have vertical lead designed into them (higher comb) so there's less need to completely "block out your target from view" while shooting at some of those fast-rising targets. Hopefully that makes sense. You probably would've seen some better results from the 20 yrd line and back with that particular gun ... and after the targets had already flattened out in their flight just a little bit. But out on the skeet range ... I think that old gun would show you a more pleasing personality (and with a better digestible shotshell, of course). Perhaps some Win AA's might be worth trying next?
Why do you think you shoot 20 ga. worse than 12? Has it been only with certain guns? One of my sons and I have shot skeet & sporting clays with a Beretta AL390 20 ga. and have done as well as we have with 12 ga. semiauto or a (rental) Krieghoff 12 ga O/U. I understand that in this case the gremlins in operating this example would have been very disconcerting...
Stupid me had a chance to pick up a neat model 17 with a solid rib a bunch of years ago. I passed on it due to the barrel and frame serial numbers not matching. Like I said stupid...
WOW , so glad you found one. Talk about a great Rabbit, Grouse, Quail gun. Super light.
It WAS really light without that erratic hard to point feeling. Gonna go next time with different ammo and on a calm day.
@@MilsurpGarage I think it was the best that Peterson and Browning ever came up with. Mine had the solid rib , full choke barrel. That is and was one of the nicest ( built for gauge ) 👍👍👍 size shotguns I ever carried. Only used mine once on a sporting clays range. 2 shells allowed so it’s loading was not an issue and you are s hooting in a cage so to speak. Mossberg 500’s 20 and 12 gauges and I do not mind a top safeties as my side by sides all have them .
Thanks for the kind words.
Thanks for the kind words
Can`t recall ever seeing one before.
.....and coming from you, that's saying something.
I enjoy the longer ones and it's good for my short attention span, kinda like a workout but honestly it's pretty easy to stick to it all the way through. Fascinating stuff, educational and fun. Looking forward to the next ones!
Thanks! I appreciate the positive feedback. Take a look back at my past videos….sounds like you would enjoy a lot of the content in the Milsurp Garage library!
Been watching your channel a while. Just now got around to commenting, You are my favorite channel on you tube. Lots of very cool old guns and I love history and I get a lesson with each video!
Appreciate the kind words, thanks for tuning in.
Great video, thank you. Ithaca added a top extractor that the Remington 17 didn’t have because of difficulty extracting the fired hull. A lot of the first 37’s were sent back to Ithaca because of extracting problems so they added the top extractor.
That is interesting, I'll have to look into that some more.
Walter Claude Synder wrote a book on the history of the Ithaca mod 37. I have that book I got mine in 1997 for about $90.00 Amazon has it for $345.00 now 😡 it is the complete history of the 37. Very good! It is in there that he talks about the top extractor being added with complete prints and drawings.
@@KennethPowell-kx3jtDoes it show a patent number for it?
iOS can’t find patent number in the book but it does state that after serial number 2200 they started putting the top extractor in. About 1940.
I have one of those! man mine was in way rougher shape than yours. I did a couple videos on mine, cleaning, rebluing... super cool shotgun
Nice, I’ll be sure to check that out.
Really Cool Shotgun 😊😀😊
Thanks for the video ive been looking for a decent 17. I have Remington model 10, 29, and 31 31 is my favorite 🙂
I have a nice model 31 video posted up there….. it’s definitely a relative of the model 17.
Concerning your question whether Ithaca scaled down the model 37 frame size for their 20ga (and 16ga) offerings ... the answer is "Yes"! Both 16ga and 20 ga guns share the same frame (receiver).
Great video BTW! The history and the names of the individual designers involved in the evolution of all these fine, pump-action shotguns is just another pleasing factor for all of us caretakers out there who still cherish hunting with, shooting, and collecting these vintage American-made shotguns. Please keep up your good work!
That’s great information! Appreciate the kind words.
Nice! Wanted one, but because it's only 20ga, I bought an Ithaca 37.
Yeah, you and about 8 million other people…..
Awesome video. Thanks.
Appreciate you watching!
That is a hard to find one in Texas anyway.
Very elusive model.
No need at all to feel bad for shooting a couple of 15's at 16yd trap with a 20 ga "field gun". Had you instead been shooting a shotgun with a higher-combed "trap" stock - one purposely designed for fast rising targets - no doubt, your scores would've at least been in the 20's that day. Most "Field stocks" typically shoot flat (50/50 pattern) and can quickly steal your lunch money from you on fast rising targets unless you remember to cover or completely block out your target .... especially on the straight aways. "Trap grade stocks" already have vertical lead designed into them (higher comb) so there's less need to completely "block out your target from view" while shooting at some of those fast-rising targets. Hopefully that makes sense. You probably would've seen some better results from the 20 yrd line and back with that particular gun ... and after the targets had already flattened out in their flight just a little bit. But out on the skeet range ... I think that old gun would show you a more pleasing personality (and with a better digestible shotshell, of course). Perhaps some Win AA's might be worth trying next?
I’ll revisit on a calmer day. I shot much better with it than most 20 gauge trap rounds I’ve shot.
Hay friend , I think Star Line makes brass shotgun shells. If not them, I know they are being made by someone .🙏🏽
Yes, very expensive, but they are available. I do not have any equipment to turn those into snap caps however.
Why do you think you shoot 20 ga. worse than 12? Has it been only with certain guns? One of my sons and I have shot skeet & sporting clays with a Beretta AL390 20 ga. and have done as well as we have with 12 ga. semiauto or a (rental) Krieghoff 12 ga O/U. I understand that in this case the gremlins in operating this example would have been very disconcerting...
Don’t have a tremendous amount of time behind 20 gauge guns but the 1/4 oz less shot going slower seems noticeable to me.
Stupid me had a chance to pick up a neat model 17 with a solid rib a bunch of years ago. I passed on it due to the barrel and frame serial numbers not matching. Like I said stupid...
They are still out there. You passed on it for a reason, find one that’s numbers matching and enjoy it.