for anyone wandering and wondering how the dark psy bass is made and have opened a thousand windows from different channels to find the one that is actually it, THIS is it ;) this is all you need to do a good foresty bassline
after 5-6 years off bookings and music production due to studying, it´s interesting how much more you can find on youtube meanwhile. when we started around 2008, there was little to nothing online available to learn it. nowadays you can find how to do everything ^^ Edit: and crazy the amount of presets available for everything xD i find it nice to support artists, but overall not really necessary if you prefer to understand sound synthesis as a musician and be totally authentic
Really nice tutorial, sounds awesome! The quality of your videos is proper next level stuff. Other than the killer quality of your packs, the videos you upload are just another reason to buy the packs and show some support. Keep it up man and thank you!
i would love to see a video that introduce to how make use of reverb and delay especially the use of return channels in forest . thanks again , looking forward to your next videos.
Straight up the best kind of Bass. I‘ll try the tut and will start messing around again after a 10 year break ;) Looking forward to automate the balance between rumbly and pluckily (@29:15) Thanks mate. subscribed 💪
Amazing video ! thank for sharing 🙏 ! great comprehension of techniques used in forest psy style . this will probably help a lot of new producers including me
Hey I love your tutorial it’s great, One thing I’d like to mention that would help with the sound… if you want it to look like the original wave with that slight dip on the left hand side, go to remap 1 on the warp and just move the left hand side of the graph up until you see it turn into the same shape as the VB1. ✌🏽
I would absolutely love it if you did a few more of these bass videos about how you make the waves. I have both of your bass packs, and they're great, but the one thing I can't figure out is how you made some of the waves for the darker basses, and it seems like it's really the waves that make some of them sound the way they do.
Thanks mate, i like your channel very much too! you are a master with Harmor :) by the way, you wrote one of my favourite tracks! Forest of dalmurilia :) 💥💥
@@JediMasterStudio haha yeah it’s a great track. I would love to release some tracks one day but for now i struggle with finishing tracks. One day i will though!
@@MuteProductioneven you struggle finishing tracks, huh? 🤔 Guess it happens at all skill-levels! I've been making "computer music" since I was a kid (39 soon), but I'm new to psytrance. Still can't finish a damn thing though 😅☝️
they have quite a different effect, if you try it you will see what i mean. what is quite cool though is that now when you distort your bass line after this high pass, the distortion will generally sound cleaner and easier to dial in
Dude thx you to you for what you do having discovered your channel's has improved my sound drastically. I noticed you did not split the fundamental on this bass and was just wondering if there was a specific reason for that?
thanks for the knowledge. Do you do volume adjustment on the base, after the final processing of the velocity range and lfo tool to be in this 2db range (from kick to base) or you just leave it and trust your ears and not the "rule".
Thank you for this tutorial! Has anyone had issues with the filter in the FX tab of Serum? When I apply the filter, I nearly lose all volume. Playing with it now but not sure what I'm doing wrong.. Perhaps there was an update with Serum..? Thank you for any input
Always wanted to ask How have you learnt serums wavetable editor in this detail? Is it just through experimentation or reading material? Or have you done sound engineering? Great video! Thanks
hey thanks for this video!! i followed all your instructions to the letter, but when i'm adjusting the velocity (the step around 4:45), i don't get the same result, it only lowers the intensity of the bass, there's no bounce effect. Do you have any idea why plz ? Could it be because I'm using ableton 12? (I've noticed that some functions aren't totally identical to the previous version). if not, it's not a big deal, just with all the previous steps it makes a crazy bass. Thanks a lot!
Thanks for awesome video! Question: What could be the reason that Velocity effect doesn't affect the velocity? Nothing happens when i tweak the output range. I changed the velocity for the bass notes in the midi patch, still no effect!
First, I really like your tutorials and your Vibe. But the beginnig really has me wondering how oddly specific the Number 58 is :D Like, did you just try aaaall the possibilitys until you where satisfied? or what was the process involved in finding this exact number?
hey mate, so the purpose was to recreate the vb1 saw, so i had a look at the vb1 saw in the fft editor and could see whereabouts the little snap happens :)
How do fight the post-ringing from the processing that causes the notes to overlap with each other? Is resampling into audio and cutting the tails for those notes an option for this?
in my opinion post ringing is actually not a problem. Phase shift is a good thing imo. But with these forest basses i am usually not doing very much to cause dispersion in the lows because it turns the lows into more a hum rather than a clear low frequency pulse with each bass note. To answer the question about cutting tails, I would recommend against totally cutting sample tails like that because it will just introduce very low frequencies that will ruin low end clarity. Instead if you **must** reduce post ringing then use a gentle fade or some release in the sampler to create a smooth fade out at the end of the sample. Do not be afraid of overlap between bass notes, it is *not* a problem.
15:35 "I'm just gonna leave this Warm Tape on, because I've decided I kinda like it." Hahh, what I heard was "Cant pick one i like.. Fuck it, lets decide I like the default, easy enough. Now I can move on." (And I don't have Saturn so hence I assume Warm Tape is default since you say "leave" :) ) And lovely tutorial man, super, it was very educational for me. Good explanations and A/B. And since I'm fairly new to "production" overall, still mostly in "trying to understand sound -phase" (cause I'm retarded in that way that, if I don't understand something properly, my mind kinda says "_______"), so the work in the DAW is fairly slow, haven't DECIDED (hehe!) I like the bass yet xD . So you connected more dots whilst also making them bigger, cheers dude, subbed.
i think most of the magic comes from ableton plugins. because i tried to duplicate this in fl studio, but it doesnt sounds same. after you added note lenght plugin, it changed
There's nothing magic about live's plugins. That just sets the note length. Just play around with note length. You could also use something like lfo tool or Kilohearts curve to make sure the notes aren't overlapping.
@@MuteProduction thanks for the answer. in the frequency spectrum the frequences does they have to be all the same volume and slowly degrade or is it normal to have some lows very loud and some mids a little bit more quiet in the frequency spectrum. because in vb -1 it goes down very harmonicly but when i make baseline with a saw wave it goes down a little bit inharmonicly, like they are not all the same volume
@@MuteProduction Thank you so much brother. Yea this is the sound after experimenting. I've been DJing Psytrance for nearly 1 year and I wanted to get into the production of things. I love the genre :)
@@TekNu33 no problem dude :) if your enjoying production consider joining a discord server such as my own so you can ask questions and start getting feedback on your work from the community:)
First of all, very interesting to mix the wave shape to bring in odd harmonics, and a solid tutorial as per usual! I have one question though, you use the velocity midi controller, but then set the minimum velocity to 127, effectively zeroing its effect.. why? I like the approach because it is very handy to not have to fiddle around with individual midi notes but rather have one automated knob that controls the velocity (genius by the way, same for the length) but why 127? your oscilloscope also shows no real velocity change on the first step. One small add, although there is little to add to this vid, but I found it also works great for more hi frequency rich basses like for hi tech (like VB-1), is instead of using a clean saw wave, use one from an old synth like for example the MS-2000 Their saw also already has a beautiful color to it, creating even more unusual harmonics, a touch really gives it a nice crunch. I used the ms2000 from this one if anyone is interested: www.reddit.com/r/edmproduction/comments/2jhew1/1700_waveforms_for_serums_wavetable_download_link/
Hey dude, with the velocity would usually set it up at the start of the process but i actually totally forgot about it until near the end of the vdieo where i change it to around 90
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for anyone wandering and wondering how the dark psy bass is made and have opened a thousand windows from different channels to find the one that is actually it, THIS is it ;) this is all you need to do a good foresty bassline
after 5-6 years off bookings and music production due to studying, it´s interesting how much more you can find on youtube meanwhile. when we started around 2008, there was little to nothing online available to learn it. nowadays you can find how to do everything ^^ Edit: and crazy the amount of presets available for everything xD i find it nice to support artists, but overall not really necessary if you prefer to understand sound synthesis as a musician and be totally authentic
yeah it’s totally different for newcomers these days. When I started off there was pretty much just isratrance and the other forums.
finally, a tutorial with pro psy sounds, the sounds somebody hears at parties.
top forest bass tutorial on youtube
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I have learned more for you and your videos than in the past 3 years. Thank you 🙏
happy to help dude!
Deep knowledge. Amazing to watch 🙏
dude you're the best! your videos are so great. thanks for this one!
killer video - well done. totally delivered for the 5k subs special! hope you grow even more in the future!:)
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Really nice tutorial, sounds awesome! The quality of your videos is proper next level stuff. Other than the killer quality of your packs, the videos you upload are just another reason to buy the packs and show some support. Keep it up man and thank you!
Thanks mani really appreciate the kind words 🥲
i would love to see a video that introduce to how make use of reverb and delay especially the use of return channels in forest . thanks again , looking forward to your next videos.
Agree
You do wonders with the wavetable editor- you really found the power within it, respect !
Thanks alot!!! Really liked this one! I put my filter on 18 and got the bass sound I had in my head. Making a new track thanks to this!
the 18dB/oct filter is lovely huh! pleased to hear you got done inspiration from the video!
Amazing content!
This style reminded me of Dronebixie. Sweet tutorial.
Ooooh thank you very much ! It's the best tutorial !
Straight up the best kind of Bass. I‘ll try the tut and will start messing around again after a 10 year break ;)
Looking forward to automate the balance between rumbly and pluckily (@29:15)
Thanks mate. subscribed 💪
@@lolbruah have fun! if you ever want feedback or just somewhere to chat about production, consider joining my discord server :)
@@MuteProduction will do. thx for the heads up. much appreciated - cheers.
Top top video and explanation. Thank you for the tips, really upped my bass game
greetings from germany. Thanks for the interestung video. We try this and the bass run and run and run...
Very detailed - keep up the great work and excited to see some more new videos :)
Thanks again. The level of information is fantastic 🙏
Nice move with the super easy note length and velocity setup. You might've just changed the way I build my bass racks after all these years. :P
laziness is key
The amazing
very useful tutorials; really great ideas for perfect forest sound- Great
Just mindblown, well done mate
absolutely epic! congrats on the path you trailed until now and thanks for aiding us in unblocking new sonic horizons
amazing bro!!!!! aaaaah it is deliciious
Great tutorial, thank you
amaaaaazinggggggggggggggggg thanks a lot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! loveeeeee
Awesome vid thank you, may I ask what kick you used here?
iirc it’s beholder 4 from my forest kick pack pitched down 2 semitones
Amazing video ! thank for sharing 🙏 ! great comprehension of techniques used in forest psy style . this will probably help a lot of new producers including me
I certainly hope so!
Hey I love your tutorial it’s great, One thing I’d like to mention that would help with the sound… if you want it to look like the original wave with that slight dip on the left hand side, go to remap 1 on the warp and just move the left hand side of the graph up until you see it turn into the same shape as the VB1. ✌🏽
nice tip! remap is very interesting, especially as we can load lfo shapes into it :o
Some very nice ideas in here 🙂
I'm interested to try that vb1 style saw wave. Thanks for another great tutorial 🤘👽✨
I'm happy to have stumbled over your channel, your tutorials are gold and it is easy to follow and understand. You have a sub more 👍
Brilliant as always! 🤟🏽
I would absolutely love it if you did a few more of these bass videos about how you make the waves. I have both of your bass packs, and they're great, but the one thing I can't figure out is how you made some of the waves for the darker basses, and it seems like it's really the waves that make some of them sound the way they do.
A lot of that modulation of the saw wave is done by multiband saturation with plugins like saturn 2
color eq, multiband saturation and taking out some of the third harmonic plus a bit of EQ gives it a "darker" sounding body
Greetings!
lovely tutorial! I would kindly ask if you can look into Nobot style bassline, track Bloodborne for reference, thank you!
Wow! Very nice channel. You have a great knowledge in wavetable synthesis. I guess i must dive deeper into it. Peace from Poland!
Thanks mate, i like your channel very much too! you are a master with Harmor :) by the way, you wrote one of my favourite tracks! Forest of dalmurilia :) 💥💥
Seriously??? That's awesome 🤩 Do you also release your music? Or just making tutorials?
@@JediMasterStudio haha yeah it’s a great track. I would love to release some tracks one day but for now i struggle with finishing tracks. One day i will though!
@@MuteProductioneven you struggle finishing tracks, huh? 🤔 Guess it happens at all skill-levels! I've been making "computer music" since I was a kid (39 soon), but I'm new to psytrance. Still can't finish a damn thing though 😅☝️
@@clarkflavor one day we’ll break the cycle!
Hello thank u for this great tutorial! Can u tell In what key is the bassline written and how it looks?
the bass is in E, do you mean what the waveform looks like?
I’m curious on why you prefer to have the high pass for making the ASYMMETRIC effect over the ASYM distortion ? Thanks a lot for the video!
they have quite a different effect, if you try it you will see what i mean. what is quite cool though is that now when you distort your bass line after this high pass, the distortion will generally sound cleaner and easier to dial in
Great video bro!
thx for this!!
Dude thx you to you for what you do having discovered your channel's has improved my sound drastically. I noticed you did not split the fundamental on this bass and was just wondering if there was a specific reason for that?
hey dude, no reason in particular just didn’t want to overcomplicate the video :)
Dayum boi. Can you do a tutorial on the initial bird like and squelch sounds?
I will take a look at the project and see what i can do
thanks for the knowledge. Do you do volume adjustment on the base, after the final processing of the velocity range and lfo tool to be in this 2db range (from kick to base) or you just leave it and trust your ears and not the "rule".
Thank you for this tutorial! Has anyone had issues with the filter in the FX tab of Serum? When I apply the filter, I nearly lose all volume. Playing with it now but not sure what I'm doing wrong.. Perhaps there was an update with Serum..? Thank you for any input
Hey man great work 😎. I would like to know which program do you use. Cubase or FL.
Thanks, I’m using Ableton Live
@@MuteProduction thanks for the advice 😎
Always wanted to ask
How have you learnt serums wavetable editor in this detail? Is it just through experimentation or reading material? Or have you done sound engineering?
Great video! Thanks
lots and lots of experimenting:)
I'm recording some bass waves of my old computer pentium two 86x where I have some nice plugins like vb-1 and put in the wavetable of serum
if you have Vital, use that to import the waves and save them from there :)
hey thanks for this video!! i followed all your instructions to the letter, but when i'm adjusting the velocity (the step around 4:45), i don't get the same result, it only lowers the intensity of the bass, there's no bounce effect.
Do you have any idea why plz ? Could it be because I'm using ableton 12? (I've noticed that some functions aren't totally identical to the previous version).
if not, it's not a big deal, just with all the previous steps it makes a crazy bass. Thanks a lot!
how do I make my kick drum sound like that, is there a video for that? thanks.
yea nice tips
hey, how you doing the voice like you project ?
Thanks for awesome video! Question: What could be the reason that Velocity effect doesn't affect the velocity? Nothing happens when i tweak the output range. I changed the velocity for the bass notes in the midi patch, still no effect!
is velocity mapped properly with serum?
thanks so much for the golden tips
I recorded vb1 and made a wavetable with it :)
What’s ur SoundCloud? 🎉
i have no releases yet i’m afraidn
First, I really like your tutorials and your Vibe.
But the beginnig really has me wondering how oddly specific the Number 58 is :D Like, did you just try aaaall the possibilitys until you where satisfied? or what was the process involved in finding this exact number?
hey mate, so the purpose was to recreate the vb1 saw, so i had a look at the vb1 saw in the fft editor and could see whereabouts the little snap happens :)
How do fight the post-ringing from the processing that causes the notes to overlap with each other?
Is resampling into audio and cutting the tails for those notes an option for this?
in my opinion post ringing is actually not a problem. Phase shift is a good thing imo. But with these forest basses i am usually not doing very much to cause dispersion in the lows because it turns the lows into more a hum rather than a clear low frequency pulse with each bass note. To answer the question about cutting tails, I would recommend against totally cutting sample tails like that because it will just introduce very low frequencies that will ruin low end clarity. Instead if you **must** reduce post ringing then use a gentle fade or some release in the sampler to create a smooth fade out at the end of the sample. Do not be afraid of overlap between bass notes, it is *not* a problem.
Hey how do you get all the VB wave forms to add to serum ? Is there a place to download the wave forms from
I recorded Vb1 and chopped out a single cycle
15:35 "I'm just gonna leave this Warm Tape on, because I've decided I kinda like it."
Hahh, what I heard was "Cant pick one i like.. Fuck it, lets decide I like the default, easy enough. Now I can move on." (And I don't have Saturn so hence I assume Warm Tape is default since you say "leave" :) )
And lovely tutorial man, super, it was very educational for me. Good explanations and A/B. And since I'm fairly new to "production" overall, still mostly in "trying to understand sound -phase" (cause I'm retarded in that way that, if I don't understand something properly, my mind kinda says "_______"), so the work in the DAW is fairly slow, haven't DECIDED (hehe!) I like the bass yet xD . So you connected more dots whilst also making them bigger, cheers dude, subbed.
i think most of the magic comes from ableton plugins.
because i tried to duplicate this in fl studio, but it doesnt sounds same.
after you added note lenght plugin, it changed
There's nothing magic about live's plugins. That just sets the note length. Just play around with note length. You could also use something like lfo tool or Kilohearts curve to make sure the notes aren't overlapping.
Should the frequency spectrum slowly degrade from lows to highs or does it not matter at all?
i’m not sure if i know what you mean?
@@MuteProduction thanks for the answer. in the frequency spectrum the frequences does they have to be all the same volume and slowly degrade or is it normal to have some lows very loud and some mids a little bit more quiet in the frequency spectrum. because in vb -1 it goes down very harmonicly but when i make baseline with a saw wave it goes down a little bit inharmonicly, like they are not all the same volume
it all depends on the style of bass you are after. I would say to trust your ears, or analyse tracks you like and see if you can get a similar sound
I can't figure out how to make this waveform in Vital, help please
you can just draw it in vital
alternatively blend in some square
Lovya
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wavetable vb1 saw ehats is the pack?
it’s recorded directly from vb1
Hey, I have a problem. My bass is sounds really high, not like yours which is low. What could be the problem?
perhaps try a lower octave?
How this waveform create in vital?
blend a saw and a square saw with the saw one octave above the square, make sure to Clear the phase bins in the table editor for both oscillators.
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Cmon man..u don't need all that jazz for this type of basic baselines.
não consegui chegar nesse timbre :/
what about the kick haha
:)
bassline tutorial my bro, try to search for kick2 kick synthesis.
Using fl studio and can't replicate the bassline sadly.
check your in the right octave and the notes are the right length.
@@MuteProduction Im in E2, E3 on 16th notes. Im not sure what I'm doing wrong.
@@TekNu33 make the notes about a 1/32 in length and see what happens. your sub should be hitting around the 40hz area.
@@MuteProduction Thank you so much brother. Yea this is the sound after experimenting. I've been DJing Psytrance for nearly 1 year and I wanted to get into the production of things. I love the genre :)
@@TekNu33 no problem dude :) if your enjoying production consider joining a discord server such as my own so you can ask questions and start getting feedback on your work from the community:)
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thanks
First of all, very interesting to mix the wave shape to bring in odd harmonics, and a solid tutorial as per usual!
I have one question though, you use the velocity midi controller, but then set the minimum velocity to 127, effectively zeroing its effect.. why?
I like the approach because it is very handy to not have to fiddle around with individual midi notes but rather have one automated knob that controls the velocity (genius by the way, same for the length) but why 127? your oscilloscope also shows no real velocity change on the first step.
One small add, although there is little to add to this vid, but I found it also works great for more hi frequency rich basses like for hi tech (like VB-1), is instead of using a clean saw wave, use one from an old synth like for example the MS-2000
Their saw also already has a beautiful color to it, creating even more unusual harmonics, a touch really gives it a nice crunch.
I used the ms2000 from this one if anyone is interested:
www.reddit.com/r/edmproduction/comments/2jhew1/1700_waveforms_for_serums_wavetable_download_link/
Hey dude, with the velocity would usually set it up at the start of the process but i actually totally forgot about it until near the end of the vdieo where i change it to around 90
also yes analog waves can be super nice for bass! :)
@@MuteProduction My bad, I responded too quick.
I wait this!! Great video! Thx bro. Check out your email!! Cheers!!!!