Robi Mattal I wouldn't sit idly by if this was happening to a guy, what with sensitive people today, he can't defend himself I'd need to step in, because if he did anything he's the one that would get in trouble.
Why do people always act like man can't get harassed too. It's sexist and wrong to think that any/every guy is ok with be touched by women when they don't want it. Not every guy is attracted by every girl they see. Just because you find Mariah Carey attractive doesn't mean he does.
Didn't Wendy Williams make a video shaming Terry Crew for coming out about being sexually assaulted? Something about him not being brave enough, suck it up etc. Never really liked her in the beginning, especially with that awkward story she talked about during the Conan Show, yuck.
Optimistic Element Oh stfu with that bs, you know damn well its not the same. The numbers dont even come close, a male being harassed is rare. How often do you meet a female stronger and bigger than you that makes you take your clothes off, forcefully? Nobody is saying males being harassed isnt a thing, but indeed its not common. In this case its not even real harassment taking into consideration they have known each other for 2 years. Maybe she was just too comfortable with him, thats it.
Exactly, and not just her looks I bet the way she treats people and acts has alot to do with it and that goes for anyone, in all these situations of "Oh but they are so good looking!" Bottom line is if a man cannot get away with a certain behavior without it being deemed inappropriate, sexual harassment or assualt the same goes for women. That is how equality works. Can't pick and choose what kind of equality we want.
AlanChavezDawg a female doesnt have to be bigger and stronger than a man to harrass him lmao. she cpuld have more power than him in terms of controlling what can happen in his life if he doesnt do whatever the secual act she wants him to do, just like youve heard of all these bug actirs and producers being accused lately, fmeale celebrities can do the same thing. strength isnt the only factor in terms of harassing someone, plus they'd get judged and made fun of for even coming out about it publicly so it makes it even harder for other guys to come out about them being harassed too
So... y'all are glad to see/hear men's abuse stories, yet y'all diminish their experiences...okay. He didn't have to be gay, he didn't have to enjoy it, and he didn't need to be married. No matter the circumstance he didn't want it. Y'all saying "he was lucky" and this and that contribute to the reason why guys don't want to share their abuse stories. No matter if the situation is big or small or how attractive the person is, harassment is harassment.
Muhammad Rizwan Yeah its JK and they fuck around alot. But look at every other story they've done on male victims. When female teachers were fucking the teen boy students and other scenarios of a similar situation, they say the SAME thing everytime. "He's so lucky", "Why couldn't that be me", "Why would you be complaining, theyre hot." They say the same thing so often, you start to think they're not "just kidding" sometimes.
What youre also doing is forcing them to change theyre opinion because youre basically saying now all guys shouldnt say theyre lucky. Maybe of course the guy didnt like it but with alot of the sexual harassment claims right now its easy to just say you were when maybe theyre lying about it to get money.
i went to buy a cat yesterday and the man selling them was in his underwear the whole time would you consider that harrassement? i'm all for men being open and being able to emotionally express themselves but this story seems mad fishy
HelloDarling! She didn't do anything criminal at all though. Nothing sexual was said and done. She didn't touch him, or sexually proposition him, or threaten him with a negative outcome unless he complied with her advances, or demean his character solely based on his sexual appeal. Therefore it is not sexual harassment.
It’s messed up that their reaction was like “why is he complaining.” That’s why men don’t come out if something happens to them because they feel like crap. But I guess I get what they were saying and how’s it’s shady because she owes them money and what not. But like this is JKnews so if viewers shouldn’t take everything they say seriously. But I still feel sorry for the bodyguard because people aren’t taking him seriously.
To be fair they say simular stuff about sexual harassment against women. I think the problem with this story is that the only harassment mentioned was the fact that Mariah was in lingerie.
one of the few things that bother me about the jk crew is that they discredit men when they come out as the victim in sexual harrassment. they always assume that "the guy should want it so what's the problem?" and also they worry about other men not that aren't going to take him seriously anymore...wtf? you're making it harder for male victims to come out cause you're gonna make them feel like they shouldn't.
y'all need to stop acting like every guy out there is sex-crazed like you guys. you're justification for the guy not wanting it is that he is married? fuck that it should be justified even if he is single! bottom line is, he didn't want it. and she has a position of power and is in control of his career. she tried to take advantage of him.
Nothing sexual was said and done. She didn't touch him, or sexually proposition him, or threaten him with a negative outcome unless he complies with her advances, or demean his character solely based on his sexual appeal. Therefore it is not sexual harassment. At all.
This is more of a shakedown by the company. It's a common strategy to "troll" a person with a lawsuit in order to get a generous settlement. Pending lawsuits can prevent Mariah from getting multi-million dollar contracts and business deals because public relations, increase insurance premiums, hefty lawyer fees, and damage her image completely, so it would be in her best interests for her to settle as soon as possible. I completely believe the allegation, women can harass men too (how would you feel if a potato-face women started coming onto you), however I doubt the former security guard was legitimately disgusted or damaged by the "harassment".
I don't understand why he's not also filing a lawsuit for defamation of character if she's allegedly saying what she is about him & the company. That's affecting his livelihood too. Which makes me question his claim because that's a very serious thing to just overlook. Especially when the person doing it is so influential because how she was dressed, that's how she always dresses but for her to then call him out & make public accusations, that's not appropriate, if it's happening. She shouldn't be allowed to get away with it if it's not true but maybe it is if he's not doing anything about it?
Palesa Makhetha All i know is Mariah recently had just fired her manager & others now all of a sudden these ridiculous stories are coming out. Mariah had just commented on this topic yesterday saying the media "is very brave" for trying to push these fake stories
At this point after watching jk for 3 years these types of videos really don’t bother me about their commentary. In previous videos they have talked about the double standard and how it’s very prevalent so it’s nice that they still recognized it. In this particular video I saw what they said as comedy. Comedians like to push the envelope so I wouldn’t stress on it guys. 👍🏽
I’m so disappointed in the jkcrew. Tiff was trying so hard explain to the guys why sexual harassment is wrong on both ends but they still didn’t get it.
I'm Not gonna waste time arguing with you Look, nothing sexual was said and done. She didn't touch him, or sexually proposition him, or threaten him with a negative outcome unless he complies with her advances, or demean his character solely based on his sexual appeal. Therefore it is not sexual harassment. At all.
This story sounds so fake yet everyone in the comments are getting upset. no one said guys can't be sexually harassed by woman, they're taking in the details of the story and saying how it doesn't make sense. thats all
I love JK but this episode really bothered me. The fact that Bart, David, and Anthony were discrediting the man’s story, saying how it was a story of “seduction” and just the fact that they were saying “he was complaining about this?” And “all other security guard are going to look down on him” is pretty disturbing to me. Also when Tiff asked about role reversals and David was like “oh well that’s not the point we’re trying to make.” It just makes me slightly disappointed when people I love to watch and listen to, people I look up to, say things like this and completely disregard somebody’s story of harassment just because the person harassed was a man Edit: oh shit even Joe and Tiff added to that :/
Daisy_Tail I have 3 brothers and if any of them where in that situation they would flat out leave. Like not all men are " oh naked yes sex" they'd be like " oh no this is inappropriate ". I don't understand why guys themselves can't just see that.
They always say this shit, they even say it when the subject is young boys being raped by grown women. There's 'joking' and then there's just straight up ignorance, and for the most part it seems JK News is the latter when it comes to these things. I like them and all, but with subjects like this its hard to stomach their commentary.
Its because the story mentioned nothing of actual harassment, being in lingerie isnt harassment. He wasnt forced nor cornered and Mariah made no sexual advances. The guys said that if she was using her power irresponsibly then they would react different.
Like tiff said If the story was flipped and a guy told his assistant to come up to his room and his junk was hangin out it would be a wholeeee different scene 😐
Such a double standard and it’s ridiculous. It’s exactly what tiff was going to say, if a dude did this to a woman they would be upset, but when a women does it, it becomes flirtatious ? Shame on you guys :/
Lilian Xavier Look, nothing sexual was said and done. She didn't touch him, or sexually proposition him, or threaten him with a negative outcome unless he complies with her advances, or demean his character solely based on his sexual appeal. Therefore it is not sexual harassment. At all.
Un1234l but if a dude did that and asked a woman to put away his things while he wore next to nothing, it would be an issue. Always in the reverse before saying it’s fine. Not sexual assault but still not asked for. Like Louis CK didn’t assault anyone and just jerked off yet he’s getting more shit for that then Mariah. She didn’t jerk off but still made the guard uncomfortable.
No, context matters. If a male model known for wearing revealing clothing all the time had his security detail come be a personal assistant to help move furniture, it wouldn't be considered scandalous. And Louis CK did something of an overtly sexual nature: masturbation. That's completely crossing the boundary of what any reasonable person would consider to be acceptable behaviour.
It is sexual harassment because he didn't want to see her naked. I mean yeah I get she really didn't do anything else but he was uncomfortable with seeing her that way. This is why men are afraid to speak out because their cases are always pass off as "oh that's not sexual harassment" or "wow you're lucky" . But yeah she could have done much worse.
Believe it or not, there are clear guidelines on what constitutes sexual harassment. These guidelines are in place so that there is some measurable and objective definitions to refer to, in order to fairly examine any claims. If we really take to heart your suggestion that making someone "feel uncomfortable" is all there is to sexual harassment, then someone uncomfortable with hugging could file sexual harassment against their Southern colleague, whose entire upbringing and culture involves hugging with strangers. Or having a mentor getting them to be less shy around the opposite sex; "but I'm too uncomfortable". Or having a person of the opposite sex working in the same room as them; "but I'm too uncomfortable." This reminds me of a sadly not-untrue joke: "911 what's your emergency?" "Please send someone over to [x]! There's a 5'11 black man outside the street looking like he's up to no good!" "Okay, ma'am, we'll send someone over. What is he doing? Does he have a weapon on him? Is he breaking into a home or car?" "PLEASE. He's a black man walking in our neighbourhood!"
Lucky G. They'd do the same to me. Even went as far as groping my junk. They did other things too but no one cares. I wasn't interested in any of them and I told them that but apparently they thought they could change my mind if they were persistent. I told one of the teachers I trusted and she just said "They just like you, girls will be girls". Because of this and everyone else not thinking much of it, I thought I was just being too uptight so I took it.
JasmineJeanette And what did she do? Nothing sexual was said and done. She didn't touch him, or sexually proposition him, or threaten him with a negative outcome unless he complies with her advances, or demean his character solely based on his sexual appeal. Therefore it is not sexual harassment. At all.
I get what the jk guys are saying. The accusation is a bit muddy cause money is involved and there’s a chance the security team could be scamming Mariah. But even then the guys are still in the wrong for saying stupid things like “why didn’t he like it” and “he might be gay/married “
If it was going to court then it helps to build a character case against the person who you are accusing to show that they have a bad/shitty character. You are trying to build a character profile that helps your case. Therefore, to help convince the court that she is the type of person that would try and weasel out of paying for their services, it would help to bring to light all these other character flaws in an attempt to make the initial accusation seem par for the course when dealing with her. Which would in turn make it easier for the court to rule against her.
sucks they're still going with the whole: 'men can't be harassed by women because obviously they're attracted to every woman they see' honestly that's kinda insulting to men lmaoo
There are plenty of laws on the books governing interactions between Employers and employees. The fact that she is the employer does put her in the position of power ( that power being she can hire or fire this team as she wishes). But she is also responsible as the Employer to not put her employees into positions that take any kind of advantage of them, to demean them, to do things outside their job descriptions and to not have to make choices about perceived sexual advances. Her being hot and a celebrity does not change any of that. Someone mentioned that it was her room, I agree and it was also Winestien's ( spelling ) room that his infractions often occurred in. If you invite or request the presence of an employee, you do not put them in a position of seeing you naked or half clothed, as it is unethical and immediately forces the employee to have to start making choices that are not job related. There may be more to the story, but the cut and dry of it is, as an employer, she fucked up, and she is being called on it. It's sad that this guy feels he has to add on all these other incidences because he fears no one will take the lone accusation seriously..... but in truth, he is correct, because everyone is quick to joke and make him out to be lesser than... kind of like when a woman attempts to report rape. Thanks Tiff for trying to make the obvious comparisons here. Often, you are the light in the storm.
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People saying its a "witch hunt", I think a witch hunt is about how someone identifies and making up things they may or may not have done. This is specifically about behavior. This is what happens when things are kept underground for so long, the list just grows. Similar to the church scandals, once one person felt strong enough others spoke out too.
So because you don't want to see a naked women and don't want to be touched by a women for no reason you have to be either gay or married? Wth? I love JK but damn, the double standards are crazy. How is this any different from a male being naked or touching a female?
Its really a power dynamic thing; no one should be put in a position where their boss tries to make a move on them. It is sexual harassment because there is a fear of consequence if someone is not receptive to their boss’s advances.
i love how tiff & anthony are both wearing white, joe & david are wearing black and then bart’s wearing black and geos wearing white because it’s aesthetically pleasing and the ratios are even too
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So she just showed him her naked body......Hmmm reminds me of the fact that Harvey Weinstein did the exact same thing but of course it would have been treated differently by you guys. I get that some guys would love that situation but it doesnt change that she did that and he wasnt for it. Its funny how Mariah didnt say anything back yet all of you are instantly discrediting the guys story and saying hes shady. Its not surprising that many celebrities abuse their power cause some get high and mighty so who knows if she was an aweful boss and he just wasnt into that. I would love to see how this story would have been with the reverse.
I have no spelling mistakes, and what I say is true, having a "thicc ass" does not mean a person is 'curvy" it means all their fat, the fat they consume goes to their ass. it is just as unhealthy as a person with a fat stomach.
If she was wearing Lingerie & touched herself while insisting he moves said item etc yes that's sexual harassment but if she was wear lingerie & gave an order to move item. That's sounds like she treat her bodyguards like personal assistants.
im disappointed they didn't take this more seriously and use it to address the fact that there are men out there who have been sexually abused and it being made fun of in the same way they did. This was a great opportunity to address a real issue that is often swept under the carpet. A few months ago, i was sexually assaulted by a female colleague, after having one too many drinks i wasnt able to make the journey home, so me and the two people i was drinking with went back to one of their houses, i spent 10 minutes with my head in the toilet before going upstairs to sleep, to awaken a few hours later with my track pants having been pulled down and her performing oral sex on me. At the time i was in a relationship (not that i'd have allowed it to continue if i wasnt) and told her to stop, that i didnt want it, and that i was in a committed relationship, she tried to continue until i forcefully pushed her off of me... and then because i was still in a bad way i went back to sleep, to wake up 2 hours later to the same thing happening, so i got my stuff and left quickly. Told someone where i work of the incident and word got around to the point where i had to speak to management before someone else did. my GAY manager's first response was 'are you sure you weren't just drunk?' followed by 'i have a girl on the phone in hysterics because of this. Whilst im the victim. How many females would that line be said too if a male colleague had done the same to a female? 0. That's how many Police would have been called instantly and the male colleague arrested and charged for sexual assault, yet the main manager after this tried to make my daily life inside this job hell and still does to this day... while she faces no consequences for her actions, even lied to the managers saying that she never did that, whilst going about her day to day life like she isn't a sexual predator, now every time i see this 20 stone plus vile cretin i feel sick to my stomach that she was allowed back to work when 'she felt ready' whilst i was being made to pull 50/60 hour weeks just to keep my job. Other colleagues have even approached me saying she has admitted it to them outside of work.
taoist40 The burden of proof is on the accuser. He had already said his story. Even if truthful, his story did not match the criteria for sexual harassment.
*Male gets harassed* "Lol, man-up." "What a blessing" *Female gets harassed* "She's doing it for attention. It's fake" How about we fucking give these people some respect and let the judges make the decision of what's real and what's not. Anyone who goes through any level of harassment deserves the respect to know that them feeling upset and violated is valid, regardless if you're a man or a woman. Stories like this are meant to help open dialogue about people being more comfortable coming forward about reporting sexual harassment, not to fuel our entertainment.
mikethepreacher Whether he wanted it or not, his story doesn't fit the criteria for sexual harassment. Nothing sexual was said and done. She didn't touch him, or sexually proposition him, or threaten him with a negative outcome unless he complies with her advances, or demean his character solely based on his sexual appeal. Therefore it is not sexual harassment.
Did anyone in the comments even watch the whole video through, Joe and David recognize there is a double standard and that wasn't what they were mainly concerned about
There's a big fallacy in the guys' argument here. Several of the women who have been speaking up lately about sexual harassment have claimed an indirect forcement. The bodyguard in this case, just like an aspiring actress, might have thought that speaking up could cost them their career. The basal physical superiority of men is irrelevant in this case as it's not about physical resistance, the fact that the bodyguard in this case was a male does not change the fact that Mariah has a larger status and therefore larger voice to use if the bodyguard were to have spoken up.
“Just Kidding” News. You guys are really taking them seriously when they say that sexual harassment by women is ok? Get off your high horses and actually listen. Joe even addressed the possibility of a double standard. They discussed pretty much every possible scenario and reasoning. Everything from why it’s ok to why it’s messed up. Y’all are so damn sensitive.
I like Jknews, but this is why the sexual harassment double standard exists, because of the guy's views on it. Men are never taken seriously for sexual harassment claims, but when a woman claim sexual harassment, she's believed without proof and the guy is ruined, even if it's all a lie.
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The double standard is crazy with this one
Robi Mattal I wouldn't sit idly by if this was happening to a guy, what with sensitive people today, he can't defend himself I'd need to step in, because if he did anything he's the one that would get in trouble.
Kan Biiru I don't think it's because he's more famous, but because the person who groped Terry was a man
Is it only sexual harassment because they aren't together? And cus they are a work-relationship?
Sommer Blume seeing nakedness against your will. Just think if a guy showed you his balls and started chasing you with them. Same exact thing
National Dashcam Okay yeah makes sense. (:
Why do people always act like man can't get harassed too. It's sexist and wrong to think that any/every guy is ok with be touched by women when they don't want it. Not every guy is attracted by every girl they see. Just because you find Mariah Carey attractive doesn't mean he does.
Didn't Wendy Williams make a video shaming Terry Crew for coming out about being sexually assaulted? Something about him not being brave enough, suck it up etc. Never really liked her in the beginning, especially with that awkward story she talked about during the Conan Show, yuck.
Optimistic Element Oh stfu with that bs, you know damn well its not the same. The numbers dont even come close, a male being harassed is rare. How often do you meet a female stronger and bigger than you that makes you take your clothes off, forcefully? Nobody is saying males being harassed isnt a thing, but indeed its not common. In this case its not even real harassment taking into consideration they have known each other for 2 years. Maybe she was just too comfortable with him, thats it.
Exactly, and not just her looks I bet the way she treats people and acts has alot to do with it and that goes for anyone, in all these situations of "Oh but they are so good looking!" Bottom line is if a man cannot get away with a certain behavior without it being deemed inappropriate, sexual harassment or assualt the same goes for women. That is how equality works. Can't pick and choose what kind of equality we want.
AlanChavezDawg a female doesnt have to be bigger and stronger than a man to harrass him lmao. she cpuld have more power than him in terms of controlling what can happen in his life if he doesnt do whatever the secual act she wants him to do, just like youve heard of all these bug actirs and producers being accused lately, fmeale celebrities can do the same thing. strength isnt the only factor in terms of harassing someone, plus they'd get judged and made fun of for even coming out about it publicly so it makes it even harder for other guys to come out about them being harassed too
Dalvin Davis I clearly stated that as one example. Read the end of my comment. This doesnt sound like harassment whatsoever.
Hehe
Tiff: “She doesn’t want any white bodyguards”
David: “She’s half white”
Bart: “She only wants half of herself around.”
So... y'all are glad to see/hear men's abuse stories, yet y'all diminish their experiences...okay. He didn't have to be gay, he didn't have to enjoy it, and he didn't need to be married. No matter the circumstance he didn't want it. Y'all saying "he was lucky" and this and that contribute to the reason why guys don't want to share their abuse stories. No matter if the situation is big or small or how attractive the person is, harassment is harassment.
Alex N "JKNEWS"
Muhammad Rizwan the guys sometimes sound very convincing and there's a line between joking and kind of being fr
Muhammad Rizwan Yeah its JK and they fuck around alot. But look at every other story they've done on male victims. When female teachers were fucking the teen boy students and other scenarios of a similar situation, they say the SAME thing everytime. "He's so lucky", "Why couldn't that be me", "Why would you be complaining, theyre hot." They say the same thing so often, you start to think they're not "just kidding" sometimes.
Right? They should be a little more sensitive to his side and other males who have been harassed
What youre also doing is forcing them to change theyre opinion because youre basically saying now all guys shouldnt say theyre lucky. Maybe of course the guy didnt like it but with alot of the sexual harassment claims right now its easy to just say you were when maybe theyre lying about it to get money.
If that was a man and he was naked telling a girl to come in the room Geo’s face would be filled with disgust calling him a creepy loser ..smh
What if he was wearing a robe but was nude underneath?
i went to buy a cat yesterday and the man selling them was in his underwear the whole time would you consider that harrassement?
i'm all for men being open and being able to emotionally express themselves but this story seems mad fishy
Crazy how you attack Geo yet she was the only one defending the guy...
Fuck double standards! If this is true she needs to get investigated. Just cause she’s a female doesn’t mean it’s ok.
(I’m a girl by the way)
HelloDarling!
She didn't do anything criminal at all though.
Nothing sexual was said and done. She didn't touch him, or sexually proposition him, or threaten him with a negative outcome unless he complied with her advances, or demean his character solely based on his sexual appeal. Therefore it is not sexual harassment.
FUCK double standards.
Eliria right!👌🏻♻️
And they always act like it's the funniest shit.
i was about to comment this
Kan Biiru ok but just cause jk thinks it’s ok (or says they do for laughs) doesn’t mean most ppl do. these guys are kinda stupid.
I think that no matter what the gender, sexual a harassment is wrong. No one needs double standards
It’s messed up that their reaction was like “why is he complaining.” That’s why men don’t come out if something happens to them because they feel like crap. But I guess I get what they were saying and how’s it’s shady because she owes them money and what not. But like this is JKnews so if viewers shouldn’t take everything they say seriously. But I still feel sorry for the bodyguard because people aren’t taking him seriously.
HuggableGiant that dude is gonna get ridiculed to the max. TBH I’d have the same reaction but harassment is harassment
To be fair they say simular stuff about sexual harassment against women. I think the problem with this story is that the only harassment mentioned was the fact that Mariah was in lingerie.
Well there wasn’t really any harassment there considering she was only wearing lingerie and asked him to pick her stuff up not her lol
Issa joke
one of the few things that bother me about the jk crew is that they discredit men when they come out as the victim in sexual harrassment. they always assume that "the guy should want it so what's the problem?" and also they worry about other men not that aren't going to take him seriously anymore...wtf? you're making it harder for male victims to come out cause you're gonna make them feel like they shouldn't.
y'all need to stop acting like every guy out there is sex-crazed like you guys. you're justification for the guy not wanting it is that he is married? fuck that it should be justified even if he is single! bottom line is, he didn't want it. and she has a position of power and is in control of his career. she tried to take advantage of him.
Nothing sexual was said and done. She didn't touch him, or sexually proposition him, or threaten him with a negative outcome unless he complies with her advances, or demean his character solely based on his sexual appeal. Therefore it is not sexual harassment. At all.
This is called Just Kidding News if you didn’t realise
ROACHelle
who else thought of Sistar touch my body ??
Yeah I always thought they referred to that too LOL
Amy me LOL
i jerked off on the video clip
I started to hum the song in my head after they said it.
This is more of a shakedown by the company. It's a common strategy to "troll" a person with a lawsuit in order to get a generous settlement. Pending lawsuits can prevent Mariah from getting multi-million dollar contracts and business deals because public relations, increase insurance premiums, hefty lawyer fees, and damage her image completely, so it would be in her best interests for her to settle as soon as possible.
I completely believe the allegation, women can harass men too (how would you feel if a potato-face women started coming onto you), however I doubt the former security guard was legitimately disgusted or damaged by the "harassment".
Viet Lee Lmao this fake story isn't gonna stop Mariah Carey. I can't believe you guys are actually believing it.
I don't understand why he's not also filing a lawsuit for defamation of character if she's allegedly saying what she is about him & the company. That's affecting his livelihood too. Which makes me question his claim because that's a very serious thing to just overlook. Especially when the person doing it is so influential because how she was dressed, that's how she always dresses but for her to then call him out & make public accusations, that's not appropriate, if it's happening.
She shouldn't be allowed to get away with it if it's not true but maybe it is if he's not doing anything about it?
Palesa Makhetha All i know is Mariah recently had just fired her manager & others now all of a sudden these ridiculous stories are coming out. Mariah had just commented on this topic yesterday saying the media "is very brave" for trying to push these fake stories
You’re assuming this man wanted her advances.
did you know a baby elephant farts 10 times a day?
At this point after watching jk for 3 years these types of videos really don’t bother me about their commentary. In previous videos they have talked about the double standard and how it’s very prevalent so it’s nice that they still recognized it. In this particular video I saw what they said as comedy. Comedians like to push the envelope so I wouldn’t stress on it guys. 👍🏽
I’m so disappointed in the jkcrew. Tiff was trying so hard explain to the guys why sexual harassment is wrong on both ends but they still didn’t get it.
I'm Not gonna waste time arguing with you
Look, nothing sexual was said and done. She didn't touch him, or sexually proposition him, or threaten him with a negative outcome unless he complies with her advances, or demean his character solely based on his sexual appeal. Therefore it is not sexual harassment. At all.
This story sounds so fake yet everyone in the comments are getting upset. no one said guys can't be sexually harassed by woman, they're taking in the details of the story and saying how it doesn't make sense. thats all
I love JK but this episode really bothered me. The fact that Bart, David, and Anthony were discrediting the man’s story, saying how it was a story of “seduction” and just the fact that they were saying “he was complaining about this?” And “all other security guard are going to look down on him” is pretty disturbing to me. Also when Tiff asked about role reversals and David was like “oh well that’s not the point we’re trying to make.” It just makes me slightly disappointed when people I love to watch and listen to, people I look up to, say things like this and completely disregard somebody’s story of harassment just because the person harassed was a man
Edit: oh shit even Joe and Tiff added to that :/
Daisy_Tail I have 3 brothers and if any of them where in that situation they would flat out leave. Like not all men are " oh naked yes sex" they'd be like " oh no this is inappropriate ".
I don't understand why guys themselves can't just see that.
Daisy_Tail the whole thing is crazy weird tbh.
They always say this shit, they even say it when the subject is young boys being raped by grown women. There's 'joking' and then there's just straight up ignorance, and for the most part it seems JK News is the latter when it comes to these things. I like them and all, but with subjects like this its hard to stomach their commentary.
Its because the story mentioned nothing of actual harassment, being in lingerie isnt harassment. He wasnt forced nor cornered and Mariah made no sexual advances. The guys said that if she was using her power irresponsibly then they would react different.
Google see through lingerie, it was sexual harassment.
Not even going to call her out saying that she's racist
When they sang "Touch my body" all i can think of is Sistar T-T bogoshipda
Anthony is probably the chillest human being alive.
Like tiff said If the story was flipped and a guy told his assistant to come up to his room and his junk was hangin out it would be a wholeeee different scene 😐
Such a double standard and it’s ridiculous. It’s exactly what tiff was going to say, if a dude did this to a woman they would be upset, but when a women does it, it becomes flirtatious ? Shame on you guys :/
Lilian Xavier
Look, nothing sexual was said and done. She didn't touch him, or sexually proposition him, or threaten him with a negative outcome unless he complies with her advances, or demean his character solely based on his sexual appeal. Therefore it is not sexual harassment. At all.
Un1234l but if a dude did that and asked a woman to put away his things while he wore next to nothing, it would be an issue. Always in the reverse before saying it’s fine. Not sexual assault but still not asked for. Like Louis CK didn’t assault anyone and just jerked off yet he’s getting more shit for that then Mariah. She didn’t jerk off but still made the guard uncomfortable.
No, context matters. If a male model known for wearing revealing clothing all the time had his security detail come be a personal assistant to help move furniture, it wouldn't be considered scandalous.
And Louis CK did something of an overtly sexual nature: masturbation. That's completely crossing the boundary of what any reasonable person would consider to be acceptable behaviour.
It is sexual harassment because he didn't want to see her naked. I mean yeah I get she really didn't do anything else but he was uncomfortable with seeing her that way. This is why men are afraid to speak out because their cases are always pass off as "oh that's not sexual harassment" or "wow you're lucky" . But yeah she could have done much worse.
Believe it or not, there are clear guidelines on what constitutes sexual harassment. These guidelines are in place so that there is some measurable and objective definitions to refer to, in order to fairly examine any claims.
If we really take to heart your suggestion that making someone "feel uncomfortable" is all there is to sexual harassment, then someone uncomfortable with hugging could file sexual harassment against their Southern colleague, whose entire upbringing and culture involves hugging with strangers. Or having a mentor getting them to be less shy around the opposite sex; "but I'm too uncomfortable". Or having a person of the opposite sex working in the same room as them; "but I'm too uncomfortable."
This reminds me of a sadly not-untrue joke:
"911 what's your emergency?"
"Please send someone over to [x]! There's a 5'11 black man outside the street looking like he's up to no good!"
"Okay, ma'am, we'll send someone over. What is he doing? Does he have a weapon on him? Is he breaking into a home or car?"
"PLEASE. He's a black man walking in our neighbourhood!"
And this is why I was never taken seriously when the girls of my school volleyball team harassed me. "You're lucky, why are you complaining"
Prince Vero that's sad
That's frustrating
Prince Vero lol these girls used to always grab my ass, but I’d just do the same back
That's gross. I mean the harassment part, they shouldn't have done that.
Lucky G. They'd do the same to me. Even went as far as groping my junk. They did other things too but no one cares. I wasn't interested in any of them and I told them that but apparently they thought they could change my mind if they were persistent. I told one of the teachers I trusted and she just said "They just like you, girls will be girls". Because of this and everyone else not thinking much of it, I thought I was just being too uptight so I took it.
Wooow..just because he's a man and she's rich and famous doesn't mean it's okay for what she did.
JasmineJeanette
And what did she do?
Nothing sexual was said and done. She didn't touch him, or sexually proposition him, or threaten him with a negative outcome unless he complies with her advances, or demean his character solely based on his sexual appeal. Therefore it is not sexual harassment. At all.
I get what the jk guys are saying. The accusation is a bit muddy cause money is involved and there’s a chance the security team could be scamming Mariah.
But even then the guys are still in the wrong for saying stupid things like “why didn’t he like it” and “he might be gay/married “
I'm sorry that I laughed at the title.everyone is getting accused now it just sounds like a trend.
Which that part sucks because it helps no one.
If it was going to court then it helps to build a character case against the person who you are accusing to show that they have a bad/shitty character.
You are trying to build a character profile that helps your case.
Therefore, to help convince the court that she is the type of person that would try and weasel out of paying for their services, it would help to bring to light all these other character flaws in an attempt to make the initial accusation seem par for the course when dealing with her.
Which would in turn make it easier for the court to rule against her.
"He is Harry Potter to me"
Same Joe same 😂😂
Their high notes lol
Mariah still looking beautiful :O
Anthony was so cute when he did the little wavy thing.
Icing Cake
also every time he busts a move
sucks they're still going with the whole: 'men can't be harassed by women because obviously they're attracted to every woman they see' honestly that's kinda insulting to men lmaoo
They did GSP so dirty LMAO
Sounds so dodgy. Mariah fires her manager then all of a sudden her bodyguard suddenly suddenly comes out with this story to drag her
MrThefatcookie it's all a scheme to get at Mariah for firing the team and they want their money.
Well if he's been fired he can come out with these things, if they hadn't been fired they would probably have kept silent to keep their jobs.
French kermit the frog 😂😂😂😂😂
Mariah Carey is a hot mess without the hot part
I wish bart did this whole episode with his GSP impersonation 😂😂
There are plenty of laws on the books governing interactions between Employers and employees. The fact that she is the employer does put her in the position of power ( that power being she can hire or fire this team as she wishes). But she is also responsible as the Employer to not put her employees into positions that take any kind of advantage of them, to demean them, to do things outside their job descriptions and to not have to make choices about perceived sexual advances. Her being hot and a celebrity does not change any of that. Someone mentioned that it was her room, I agree and it was also Winestien's ( spelling ) room that his infractions often occurred in. If you invite or request the presence of an employee, you do not put them in a position of seeing you naked or half clothed, as it is unethical and immediately forces the employee to have to start making choices that are not job related. There may be more to the story, but the cut and dry of it is, as an employer, she fucked up, and she is being called on it. It's sad that this guy feels he has to add on all these other incidences because he fears no one will take the lone accusation seriously..... but in truth, he is correct, because everyone is quick to joke and make him out to be lesser than... kind of like when a woman attempts to report rape. Thanks Tiff for trying to make the obvious comparisons here. Often, you are the light in the storm.
Male rape is not taken seriously at all. It is like a joke to them. This is why most male victims would never admit to being rape.
I'm gay for Anthony
I love you guys so much 😊 I know all of you guys are doing great and hope it continues. You guys are my go to TH-cam channel when I get on. You guys make my days better and especially all your vlogs. Keep up the great work. Love you guys.
People saying its a "witch hunt", I think a witch hunt is about how someone identifies and making up things they may or may not have done. This is specifically about behavior. This is what happens when things are kept underground for so long, the list just grows. Similar to the church scandals, once one person felt strong enough others spoke out too.
Their GSP impression, I am not impressed by your performance.
So because you don't want to see a naked women and don't want to be touched by a women for no reason you have to be either gay or married? Wth? I love JK but damn, the double standards are crazy. How is this any different from a male being naked or touching a female?
*pretends to be shocked*
Its really a power dynamic thing; no one should be put in a position where their boss tries to make a move on them. It is sexual harassment because there is a fear of consequence if someone is not receptive to their boss’s advances.
Tiff and Geo looks so flawlessly gorgeous in this vid!! ✨❤️
i love how tiff & anthony are both wearing white, joe & david are wearing black and then bart’s wearing black and geos wearing white because it’s aesthetically pleasing and the ratios are even too
ANTHONY IS BACK ♥
happy birthday Bart! you are such a big inspiration ! can't wait to see how your companies grow. I'm so happy to say that I've been following you for a long time and I will continue to support you, as well as everyone else.
I’m so tired of the MAJOR double standards
Lmao i busted laughin at the GSP impersonation, quebec accent mad funny
So she just showed him her naked body......Hmmm reminds me of the fact that Harvey Weinstein did the exact same thing but of course it would have been treated differently by you guys. I get that some guys would love that situation but it doesnt change that she did that and he wasnt for it. Its funny how Mariah didnt say anything back yet all of you are instantly discrediting the guys story and saying hes shady. Its not surprising that many celebrities abuse their power cause some get high and mighty so who knows if she was an aweful boss and he just wasnt into that. I would love to see how this story would have been with the reverse.
ive missed anthony so much !!!
Thank u david. Its not fat, its *T H I C C*
no no, it's fat
lachieeet Correct urself before u embarrass urself
I have no spelling mistakes, and what I say is true, having a "thicc ass" does not mean a person is 'curvy" it means all their fat, the fat they consume goes to their ass. it is just as unhealthy as a person with a fat stomach.
lachieeet *c o r r e c t t h y s e l f*
Nah... I'd rather not condone being fat. It's really bad for ones health
U guys hitting those high notes 😂💀❣
The dude's got bills to pay lol
ɪ ᴡᴏᴜʟᴅɴ'ᴛ ᴍɪɴᴅ ɪғ ɪ sᴇᴇɴ ᴍᴀʀɪᴀʜ ᴄᴀʀᴇʏ ɴᴀᴋᴇᴅ 🖤
If she was wearing Lingerie & touched herself while insisting he moves said item etc yes that's sexual harassment but if she was wear lingerie & gave an order to move item. That's sounds like she treat her bodyguards like personal assistants.
mike lyles
Thank you for understanding what sexual harassment really is.
Bruh who's ready for BTS at the AMAs?!
1:26 My favorite part, when geo sings that high C
I just wanna say happy motherfucking birthday to Bart!!
lol the 18th was yesterday for me ;/ love from Australia
im disappointed they didn't take this more seriously and use it to address the fact that there are men out there who have been sexually abused and it being made fun of in the same way they did. This was a great opportunity to address a real issue that is often swept under the carpet.
A few months ago, i was sexually assaulted by a female colleague, after having one too many drinks i wasnt able to make the journey home, so me and the two people i was drinking with went back to one of their houses, i spent 10 minutes with my head in the toilet before going upstairs to sleep, to awaken a few hours later with my track pants having been pulled down and her performing oral sex on me. At the time i was in a relationship (not that i'd have allowed it to continue if i wasnt) and told her to stop, that i didnt want it, and that i was in a committed relationship, she tried to continue until i forcefully pushed her off of me... and then because i was still in a bad way i went back to sleep, to wake up 2 hours later to the same thing happening, so i got my stuff and left quickly.
Told someone where i work of the incident and word got around to the point where i had to speak to management before someone else did. my GAY manager's first response was 'are you sure you weren't just drunk?' followed by 'i have a girl on the phone in hysterics because of this. Whilst im the victim. How many females would that line be said too if a male colleague had done the same to a female? 0. That's how many
Police would have been called instantly and the male colleague arrested and charged for sexual assault, yet the main manager after this tried to make my daily life inside this job hell and still does to this day... while she faces no consequences for her actions, even lied to the managers saying that she never did that, whilst going about her day to day life like she isn't a sexual predator, now every time i see this 20 stone plus vile cretin i feel sick to my stomach that she was allowed back to work when 'she felt ready' whilst i was being made to pull 50/60 hour weeks just to keep my job.
Other colleagues have even approached me saying she has admitted it to them outside of work.
New drinking game, drink every time geo says “like”
Their comments on current MC are pretty funny
Bart: “She’s kind of fat right now...”
Joe: “She’s not bad still” (tf, was she bad before?)
😂😂😂
Gawd damn tiff looks good in that white sweater
Can we take a moment to appreciate tiffs hair
Now I’m just gonna assume every big celebrity has sexual harass someone.
Anthony's "Huuii~"
Lol
hope I don't fall asleep while watching this (:
Bart: She only want half of her self around 😂😂😂
He doesn't have to be gay to feel harassed. Men have feelings too. :(
David’s French-Canadian accent was 👌
somewhere nick cannon is out there just laughing his ass off lmao
They keep defending Mariah
rachael white because she didnt harass him or call him these names
jessie ponet Proof? No evidence for or against. You can’t make that statement without evidence to back it up.
taoist40
The burden of proof is on the accuser. He had already said his story. Even if truthful, his story did not match the criteria for sexual harassment.
*Male gets harassed* "Lol, man-up." "What a blessing"
*Female gets harassed* "She's doing it for attention. It's fake"
How about we fucking give these people some respect and let the judges make the decision of what's real and what's not. Anyone who goes through any level of harassment deserves the respect to know that them feeling upset and violated is valid, regardless if you're a man or a woman. Stories like this are meant to help open dialogue about people being more comfortable coming forward about reporting sexual harassment, not to fuel our entertainment.
I wish they did the annual birthday prank for Bart this year 😊🤞
Someone needs to make a compilation video of Joe talking about that Snow-white and the 7 Dwarfs video.
You guys know some men have moral standards
Touch ma body!
ANTHONYYYY 😩💖
Today’s Bart’s bday!! 🎊🎊
Dude if a guy was in his hotel room naked and asked someone who worked for him to come in it would totally be considered sexual harassment.
I missed Anthony! 😭❤️
I mean it all comes down to ethics. If he didn't want it then what is it called by definition? Not picking sides just being devils advocate.
mikethepreacher
Whether he wanted it or not, his story doesn't fit the criteria for sexual harassment.
Nothing sexual was said and done. She didn't touch him, or sexually proposition him, or threaten him with a negative outcome unless he complies with her advances, or demean his character solely based on his sexual appeal. Therefore it is not sexual harassment.
love the MMA talk/references!
Did anyone in the comments even watch the whole video through, Joe and David recognize there is a double standard and that wasn't what they were mainly concerned about
HAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHA DAVID at the end.
Honestly, I would love to be harassed by Mariah Carey...yes, I have problems. I know.
There's a big fallacy in the guys' argument here. Several of the women who have been speaking up lately about sexual harassment have claimed an indirect forcement. The bodyguard in this case, just like an aspiring actress, might have thought that speaking up could cost them their career. The basal physical superiority of men is irrelevant in this case as it's not about physical resistance, the fact that the bodyguard in this case was a male does not change the fact that Mariah has a larger status and therefore larger voice to use if the bodyguard were to have spoken up.
11:35 i had pause 😂😂 like omg 🙈
Lowkey sounds like a dream come true tbh
Even if it is not sexual harassment she still harassed him with racial slurs
Mariah isn't dating him anymore.. 😐
Estrella who? tanaka? i hope so 😂😂😂
Ha ha tiff is trying so hard 😂😂
“Just Kidding” News. You guys are really taking them seriously when they say that sexual harassment by women is ok? Get off your high horses and actually listen. Joe even addressed the possibility of a double standard. They discussed pretty much every possible scenario and reasoning. Everything from why it’s ok to why it’s messed up. Y’all are so damn sensitive.
3:28 an extra sound??! haha
You guys are some damn detectives
2:45 So I just Googled Rupert Grint, and he is *not* tall or buff, he's like 5' 8"
Nah, if he don't like it, he don't like it.
I like Jknews, but this is why the sexual harassment double standard exists, because of the guy's views on it. Men are never taken seriously for sexual harassment claims, but when a woman claim sexual harassment, she's believed without proof and the guy is ruined, even if it's all a lie.