Perhaps the only thing more heartwrenching than the horn solo and orchestra's performance of the 5th is the realization that this clip abruptly stops at 3:39, and that I don't know where to find the rest of the recording at this time.
That kind of horn uses a F tube and a B flat tube, in F using the trigger; this means that the harmonics we get are the F or the B flat ones. But we always think in F intonation!
I just watched it again, and at 2:31 you can clearly see him use the thumb valve and second valve to play the F#, which is the F side fingering, so the horn in this video definitely sits in Bb.
Interpretacion sublime. Portamentos y legatto perfectos. Permiteme que te diga "STEFAN DOHR", que es la mejor version con diferencia que he oido de la V Sinfonia de Tchaikovsky. Gracias por ofrecernos esas clases magistrales a todos los Trompistas.
'..,in Germany they prefere (sic) the Bb side' Not necessarily. All horns shipped from Europe (Alexander, Schmid, Paxman etc.) are shipped to stand in F unless the dealer requests the instrument to be standing in Bb. It is very easy to change the F/Bb trigger valve with many instruments bar the Conn 8D (a bad design on the Bb valve needs a whole new lever available from your local repairer). There is no right or wrong with standing in either F or Bb.
I love his sound but can't shake the feeling that he rushes the tempo lust a tad in the more passionate moments of it, just when I want to linger a bit more with it.
when you buy an Alexander-Horn it´s your own choice whether it sits in Bb or not. I also have an Alex 103 and they asked me whether it should sit on Bb side. But it´s right, that we Germans prefer the Bb side. The higher notes are much easier to play:)
@jordi16peiro I would love to see the Berlin Philharmonic horn section put together an arrangement of this and give Sarah a shot at the solo, but yeah, Stefan is probably the best.
@mongoosedog927 I'm with you on this one. I was ok with the tempo most of the way, but at critical times of passion I wanted it slower, especially to bring out those duplets against the orchestra's triplets.
On the Alex 103 (his horn) you can swtich the trigger so that it either stands in F of B flat. Most Alex players prefer the B flat side because the horn was actually designed as a B flat horn initially and the F was added for mass. The F side is superb don't get me wrong but the B flat side is even better.
@archersinner I think maybe that was holding back the music, pulling back the pickup up in the horn 'til the next measure. Best I can come up with. Good to know I wasn't the only one intrigued by his conducting so much.
from what i know, a number of orchestral conductors conduct 'ahead' of the beat. the orchestra usually enters, not exactly on the down beat of the stroke, but slightly after, when the baton starts to rise midway. apparently the rationale behind this is to compensate for the strings, as the string sound supposedly takes a little longer time to travel out into the audience as compared to the wind instruments. took me a while to get used to it.
The American school has you switch to the Bb side on an Ab in the staff. I personally prefer using the Bb side for everything (I've switched to using an Alex 107, and don't want to play anything but an Alex ever again). It has a much purer tone, very rich. The low F side does not project as well, and i think it sounds too dark, in general. The only reason I'd want to use the low F side is on a G and F# below middle C, and pedal notes. Bb is superior. :-)
This is the "Philharmonische Schrecksekunde". It is the tradition of most of the european orchestras (especialy opera orchestras) to play behind the beat, in contrast to the american orchestras which play mostly on the beat.
@yoshichap Probably so. I used to have an old vinyl LP recording of it and I forget if it was Eugene Ormandy or Lenny Bernstein conducting but that was the tempo I liked.
Many 1st horns will only use the Bb side and so change the valve (and horn) to sit in Bb and to use the lever to change over to the F side. I find Stefan's playing remarkable. I do not consider him playing in F or Bb to be of any arguement. He is far better than I, so who am I to judge?
huh. which video? it's just been my experience with Alex horns that they sit in Bb, if they are going to European owners. In this video, though, it appears that it's sitting in Bb. I could be wrong, for sure, but from what I can tell...
I feel as though that conductor was pushing Stefan too much. As one of the most dramatic horn solos of all time, the musician should have the oppertunity to lead the orchestra in tempo. In my opinion the solo should be slower. It was still played phenominally though.
oh man....Tchaikovsky simply loved the horn. what an awesome composer!
Such a gorgeous solo. And such a brilliant player playing it. What a joy to watch and listen to.
French Horn kicks brass
I saw a poster that said that but it was a different instrument
I agree
Что за
The beginning of the second movement is the best part of the entire symphony
I played this work a long time ago, I cried then, and still do so. bravo Stefan
It takes two GENIUS to make this episode: Abbado and Dohr!!!!
Genius 😂😂😂😂??
I played this forever ago in hs as a French horn player , it makes me very happy to hear it again , brings back memories
A great solo from audience ! 1:33
I really enjoyed the faster tempo. Abbado knows the difference between Andante and Adagio.
le dieu vivant du cor!!! merci Stéfan pour ce génie qui est le votre et qui apporte tant de bonheur!
Perhaps the only thing more heartwrenching than the horn solo and orchestra's performance of the 5th is the realization that this clip abruptly stops at 3:39, and that I don't know where to find the rest of the recording at this time.
Digital Concert Hall
is this it? th-cam.com/video/TblnNj6xrOM/w-d-xo.html
Tchaikovsky is a genius ❤❤❤❤
My soul is melted 😻
I just worked on a Alex 103. I was tempted to run off with it.
That kind of horn uses a F tube and a B flat tube, in F using the trigger; this means that the harmonics we get are the F or the B flat ones. But we always think in F intonation!
very nice
I love Claudio Abbado so much
Первому валторнисту Браво !!! Блестящее исполнение !!!
The BEST Horn Player EVER!
Radek is better.
Radek is better.
Radovan coff coff
@@joshgandy2921 hahaha really? Radeck just can play in Mezzo Forte volume all notes, zero expressive and short powerfull sound
Michael Thompson is my favorite horn player.
Unquestionably a masterpiece, capable of awakening souls of even inanimate object.
I have to play this piece in a class tomorrow, and if my version sounds 10% off how this fine gentlemen plays it, i will be a very happy student!
I'm really late but how did it go?
@@lelafritzer2955 11 years ago man
@@shadmium3471 I thought it said months, it would be even more interesting this way though
@@lelafritzer2955 i still would like to hear from this guy though so
So, how it went?
This is the best Tchaikovsky 5 Ive ever heard. Its the one in Japan.
I just watched it again, and at 2:31 you can clearly see him use the thumb valve and second valve to play the F#, which is the F side fingering, so the horn in this video definitely sits in Bb.
yep, thats standard overhere, to relax hand.
11 years ago... when timestamps didnt even exist. Just gonna put this here for self reference 2:31
@@eddytauber I think also because the F# (and G) are more in tune on the f Horn
@@elenechiew9903 lmao
Horn is the flower's part in Brass Section.
Amo esta Sinfonía
regala tranquillità, una sorta di regalità maestosità
Interpretacion sublime. Portamentos y legatto perfectos. Permiteme que te diga "STEFAN DOHR", que es la mejor version con diferencia que he oido de la V Sinfonia de Tchaikovsky. Gracias por ofrecernos esas clases magistrales a todos los Trompistas.
Superb. Stephan Dohr’s horn floats just above the rest of the orchestra and soars
You also play horn?
Truly amazing
Abbado is brilliant!!!
'..,in Germany they prefere (sic) the Bb side'
Not necessarily. All horns shipped from Europe (Alexander, Schmid, Paxman etc.) are shipped to stand in F unless the dealer requests the instrument to be standing in Bb. It is very easy to change the F/Bb trigger valve with many instruments bar the Conn 8D (a bad design on the Bb valve needs a whole new lever available from your local repairer). There is no right or wrong with standing in either F or Bb.
My new horn hero
The most beautiful 2 minutes in music
The best performance of this solo that I,ve ever seen !
Dohr looks about as stressed as someone sitting on a train.
When you listen to the strings before the solo starts, you can feel the adrenaline and nerves. It’s a long solo🥵
You fill up my senses like a night in a forest...
Félicitations pour cette belle réussite de ce très difficile solo de cor
OH YES STEFAN YOUR THE BEST
I think the syncronisation is quite good. The bow and finger movements fit well with the sound.
best performance and interpretation i have ever heard of this, even by Dohr's standards
Dohr and Schellenberger, how better can it be?
Dohr looks pretty young in this recording, quite surprizing it's from 2008.
rapturously beautiful!...
Beautiful.
I love his playing.
wheres the freakin rest?!!! im crying i wanna hear the rest...
This is just the horn solo. The rest would be in a video of the fuuull movemeeeeennntt--oh, this comment is 11 years old, eeeehh....
@@theamericanyoutuber lmao
I love his sound but can't shake the feeling that he rushes the tempo lust a tad in the more passionate moments of it, just when I want to linger a bit more with it.
gosh, i wonder when i will be able to play this well. he pulled it off perfectly with ease..
when you buy an Alexander-Horn it´s your own choice whether it sits in Bb or not. I also have an Alex 103 and they asked me whether it should sit on Bb side. But it´s right, that we Germans prefer the Bb side. The higher notes are much easier to play:)
Stefan Dhor.... perfect
When the oboe speds up at his solo, all the strings were like panicking, trying to keep up with the speed 😂
@jordi16peiro I would love to see the Berlin Philharmonic horn section put together an arrangement of this and give Sarah a shot at the solo, but yeah, Stefan is probably the best.
He's playing on an Alexander 103, not a Conn.
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Pfft... it's no holton 378.
impressionante, a orquestra nao consegue acompanhar tanto som e tanta performace, o dohr esta acima
Fantastisch!
@mongoosedog927 I'm with you on this one. I was ok with the tempo most of the way, but at critical times of passion I wanted it slower, especially to bring out those duplets against the orchestra's triplets.
may you upload the whole concert if you please?
Sigues siendo el mejor ¡¡¡¡¡bravo¡¡¡¡¡, enhorabuena
On the Alex 103 (his horn) you can swtich the trigger so that it either stands in F of B flat. Most Alex players prefer the B flat side because the horn was actually designed as a B flat horn initially and the F was added for mass. The F side is superb don't get me wrong but the B flat side is even better.
We started rehearsing this symphony at my orchestra... I'm playing this horn solo... Gets me so nervous...
good response.....we all get nervous over this one.....
Wow, this is really good!
he is a genius...
One of tchaikovsky,s musics can be heard as the intercession in1930s movie hells angels
1:27 Unfff I love that he plays the diminuendo as notated
@archersinner I think maybe that was holding back the music, pulling back the pickup up in the horn 'til the next measure. Best I can come up with. Good to know I wasn't the only one intrigued by his conducting so much.
im drunk, and this still still sounds epic!!!!
Everything sounds better when ur drunk.
Alcohol bad
I am a sax player and I love horn
from what i know, a number of orchestral conductors conduct 'ahead' of the beat. the orchestra usually enters, not exactly on the down beat of the stroke, but slightly after, when the baton starts to rise midway. apparently the rationale behind this is to compensate for the strings, as the string sound supposedly takes a little longer time to travel out into the audience as compared to the wind instruments. took me a while to get used to it.
horny
there would definitely be an adjustment from the trombone mouthpiece to the French horn.
Thank you satisfying video with sand
The American school has you switch to the Bb side on an Ab in the staff. I personally prefer using the Bb side for everything (I've switched to using an Alex 107, and don't want to play anything but an Alex ever again). It has a much purer tone, very rich. The low F side does not project as well, and i think it sounds too dark, in general. The only reason I'd want to use the low F side is on a G and F# below middle C, and pedal notes. Bb is superior. :-)
No
well, if time is any indication of how well one plays french horn, then i'd say about 250 years
This is the "Philharmonische Schrecksekunde". It is the tradition of most of the european orchestras (especialy opera orchestras) to play behind the beat, in contrast to the american orchestras which play mostly on the beat.
@archersinner it's a sort of laboured preparation, to make the next beat more dramatic and laden with emotion.
Tchaikovsky remembered
Stefan Dohr is so young! He turned out to be a decent player. XD
A decent?
starwarsjunkie7777 😂😂😂 yeah he’s doing aight
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@yoshichap Probably so. I used to have an old vinyl LP recording of it and I forget if it was Eugene Ormandy or Lenny Bernstein conducting but that was the tempo I liked.
de todos modos el mejor que he oído.
The best i´ve heard
@Blueboyo1 Thank you! I was wondering why I'm not. That solved the mystery.
Chapeau !
Wou❤
Actually the sound is softer on the F side, however, in Germany they prefere the Bb side ;)
is there a big learning curve on the french horn i used to play trombone in middle school and was thinking about trying it out
Many 1st horns will only use the Bb side and so change the valve (and horn) to sit in Bb and to use the lever to change over to the F side.
I find Stefan's playing remarkable. I do not consider him playing in F or Bb to be of any arguement. He is far better than I, so who am I to judge?
Not you, but I’m one to judge. Bitch.
my idol
Wooooow
Right!?!
If we get too concerned over triggers and F vs. Bb, or what kind of horn, we can just close our eyes. : )
Hah, puns. You're DOHRing me to death with bad puns.
I aDOHR that pun!
huh. which video? it's just been my experience with Alex horns that they sit in Bb, if they are going to European owners. In this video, though, it appears that it's sitting in Bb. I could be wrong, for sure, but from what I can tell...
Huzurlu bir olüm icin idam öncesi dinlemelik...
bravo
Do you know when this was recorded?
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this is actually a conducting technique that many famous conductors do on purpose. Yeah it seems silly to me too, but it works for some groups.
Glad i diddnt do sax
Same
I feel as though that conductor was pushing Stefan too much. As one of the most dramatic horn solos of all time, the musician should have the oppertunity to lead the orchestra in tempo. In my opinion the solo should be slower. It was still played phenominally though.
el oboe está loco?? fantástico trompa!
what's not to love about the horn??
A couple things, if you ask me.
they always move funny!
@pbj4toast that's Abbado's fault I believe...
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yes. it's an Alex 103. the germans use mostly Bb... much nicer.
@steamroller60
I don't know why but I found that comment really hilarious I think it's just the blunt way you put it lol
찢었다
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