I think they just wanted an excuse to drive around in the Raptor under the guise of a review. Definitely an apples-to-oranges (or perhaps kumquat to watermelon?) review, though.
Still waiting for your comparison between the Subaru Outback and a D9 bulldozer for pulling stumps out of the ground. The Outback will have stock all-terrain tires and the D9 will have stock metal tracks so it will be a fair comparison.
@@EpicAlcatraz99 Comparing a cheap Subaru with street tires to a Raptor is like comparing the Faptor to an OshKosh L-ATV. The Oshkosh maybe a tad bit more expensive but it would vastly outperform the Raptor on rough terrain. It would also vastly outperform the Raptor against IEDs.
You are 100% right, snow tires make all the difference. I currently own a 2018 Subaru Crosstrek and this is my ninth Subaru. I have Sumitomo Ice Edge snows on it and she handles fantastic! In the past I have used Blizzaks, Nokian Nordman and Altimax Arctic snow tires on my Subies and the Sumitomo's are just as good, if not better, and I saved a lot of money! I prefer tires with an aggressive pattern that will dig through the snow. Cheers!
I'm guessing you guys have discovered how many people on TH-cam watch Subaru videos, so you're doing these ridiculous Subaru "tests" and "comparisons" to get more views. No reasonable person would compare an Outback to a Raptor, or do zero to 60 in a base outback, or draw the wrong conclusions from the roller test of the outback, etc.... It's all just click bait.
I live in Switzerland and it's obligatory to use proper winter/snow tyres in the winter months. I have a 2015 Subaru Outback and in the snow with proper tyres it's incredible. I've rescued many many people in winter. In snow, a front wheel drive car with snow tyres is more effective than a 4wd with 'summer' or 'all season' tyres. 'All season' tyres are simply crap in all seasons.... but a 4wd/AWD car with proper snow tyres is formidable. Its all about the tyres. Safety first, its your, or your families lives, use the proper tyres!!
Oric Al Yep, every winter I pass by dozens of truck & SUV owners in my FWD car as they are stuck in the ditch, most of them are so buried in car payments they couldn’t afford proper tires!
Ich habe auch einen 2016 Subaru Outback 2.0 D. Es geht nichts über Sommer und Winterräder. All Seasons Reifen sind für Menschen die Sparen wollen , wenig fahren und schon garnicht in höheren Lagen leben . Ich lebe im Schwarzwald / Deutschland.....da kommt man an Winterreifen nicht vorbei!
I have been in switzerland sevral times, a lot of subarus in all the mountains villages, ...remeber a truck stuck and a old woman with a suzuki Ignis going to buy bread passing by.
Bad day? A bad day is making crap. If you're not capable of doing a useful head to head comparison then maybe you need to consider another line of work. Flipping burgers perhaps.
@@TFLcar People have the right to be grumpy. The only reason you are responding is the fact you are salty over the viewers commenting that you make moronic videos.
@@TFLcar because I passed plenty of spun out and stuck trucks and suvs in Colorado winter in the Subaru WRX. Actually pulled a Raptor out with the Subie
I would like to see the Raptor against the Subaru STi with the locking center diff. Put the STi on comparable tires and let Paul run a lap in both around your test track while it is covered in snow. Best lap time wins.
Using different tires defeats the purpose of capability comparison. Please use same tires when reviewing various cars. Hope to see this change in future videos.
@@bielmelichartes2167 the are the same tires just not the same size. Yes 35s will do better in deep mud and rock crawling but for snow it doesnt change much
Really? A Subaru vs a Raptor? These guys making themselves look like fools. Do they even know what a Blizzard is? A Blizzard is a snowstorm with high winds and really terrible visibility. They're just driving around in the snow, lol. This is such a generic comparison, made by journalists posing as knowledgeable car guys.
Exactly. A blizzard is large quantity of blowing snow with reduced visibility, perhaps zero visibility. A blizzard can occur whether or not it is actually snowing.
You come out of the corner on M28 north of Harvey, Michigan where Lake Superior can finally get at you in November. Road rated for 50 MPH. BANG Instant white-out in a corner with snow, ice, and Superior on your right side with a flimsy guard rail for protection. THAT is a blizzard.
@@alansach8437 without snow fall it's specifically called a "ground blizzard" in the flatlands. Colorado, all of the Rockies really is a poor place to test deep snow ability anyways, it's either dry and fluffy where you can plow it with the front bumper or refroze a few times into a hard crust over the snow/sheet ice in the ruts. The wet snow of the PNW or upper midwest you can get high centered on a little more than a foot of fresh snow with 10" of ground clearance
@@MinimalistMotoLife I live in the Northern Rockies and ground blizzards are a big problem here, often causing 12 to 18 inch drifts through which virtually nothing is getting through. Conditions in this video are a long way from being a blizzard!
@@dabbking - I have liked every Silverado except for the 2019s. I also like most Vettes. Every company makes at least one crappy car though. Ford, FCA, Mercedes, etc. GM as well.
Quite a clueless review. Having both the Subaru and a Ram, I would take the Subaru in most snowy situations because the Subaru is better balanced at speed than the pickup which is light in the back (unloaded) and can spin in curves. In their pointless 30 mph straight line test, the Raptor will win but I don't see straight roads on most mountains. Just ask any experienced pickup driver and they will weight their truck bed with a 300-500 lbs of weight just to keep the shiny side up. This video looks like a paid video for Ford.
Excellent point. And as i already stated in another comment i made. You put say Yoko Geolander AT G015's on a 3.6R Outback to be at least somewhat comparable to this truck's horsepower. And you have yourself a VERY VERY capable snow worthy crossover. That can do just as well as this truck did in the snow. So yeah TIRES MAKE THE DIFFERENCE folks.
You can not compare a Subaru Outback with 4 seasons tires And a Ford raptor with agressive winter tires....I Will give you a 1 on 10 there is no comparaison between the two.... I won't even listen to the end..... Ford Will give you a truck ....
@Two two three Five five six I'm willing to bet more Raptor owners lean right rather than left. We liberals are generally too worried about the environment to daily a gas guzzling 70K truck.
Silly comparison. I’ve owned 2 Outbacks. Currently have a 2011. I also own a 2016 F-150 Larait . I live in Alaska. Ask me which one I drive in the snow and ice? The Subie WITH winter tires of course. Unbeatable.
Growing up with ATVs my entire life, I've treated all of my cars-trucks as toys. Racing, hooning, winter shenanigans. I've had RWD, AWD and 4X4. No matter what, tires in winter are the #1 factor on handling. I've had 23 cars and trucks and the 2 vehicles stick out in my mind. My 01 Ford Explorer was a best in deeps snow, it went through everything. My 07 Subi STI was a handling king for hooning, perfect handling. I would love to see a video where the Raptor has good winter tires.
Such a ridiculous comparison. Mid-size SUV vs full size V8 truck, definitely fair! As someone who has owned two Subarus, I am fully confident they can handle the majority of conditions. I've taken an old Forester through mountain winters in negative 20 temperatures, on unplowed snowy and icy roads and it got me to my destination without even barely struggling, and that was on all-seasons as well. I feel like these comparisons always paint Subaru in a bad light, but it's an unfair comparison to begin with. Yeah, you're not going to be ripping around in the snow like a maniac and stopping immediately like a giant truck would. But, the important question, WHO DRIVES LIKE THAT IN BAD WEATHER TO BEGIN WITH? If you do, you shouldn't drive. Subarus aren't invincible, they're not the best thing ever, I've had other cars, but in the case of bad weather, I trust Subaru every time.
I typically like your reviews and am a fan of the channel. Being from Wisconsin and having lived in Colorado for 4 years, I can relate. But I have never seen an Outback perform so poorly and I'm afraid you have grossly mis-represented the Subaru. My outback routinely passed and maneuvered around trucks and SUVs in any snow, light or deep, in both all seasons and winter tires. I once pulled a mid-sized truck up my local neighborhood trail with my outback in a 12" blizzard. Either you literally have the worst tires ever designed, or the outback has gone downhill. My 2014 with all season tires (Continental) drove around every other vehicle in any snow storm. With winter tires, I would pass trucks by 20mph on the interstate in blinding snow. I get it, real world "testing". But this is really a gross mis-representation to anyone who has never driven a Subaru in snow. Also, consider the significant difference in normal force provided to the Ford's tires. Traction is a factor of normal force and coefficient of friction. Assuming the cf is constant (same tire), the Ford still gets more pure traction based on its weight and thereby normal force on each tire. Still a no-doubter for me, if I'm in any level of snow on pavement, I want a Subaru over any other vehicle. (For context, I currently own a Land Rover LR3 and Land Cruiser (LX 570) and miss my Subaru whenever the snow shows up.)
I went from the all season tires to the General Grabber AT2s on my old Subaru outback. BEYOND noticeable change... I had snow deeper than the door trim and walked out of the snow with my outback with those tires, the car felt like a snow plow with snow pushing over the hood... then again it was a 98 outback without all the driver "assists", which neuter the car. I had ran through 2 sets of those tires on that car. I loved them so much I put them on my 96 RHD XJ. I can go places in 2WD in that jeep with those tires than I could only dream of in 4WD with all season tires on. I tell everyone that tires are more important than 4WD in the snow and mud.
No fair ! If your gonna compare , at least have equal snow tires on each vehicle . And I've always found that pick-ups and vans need added extra weight in the rear to get traction .
Excited for the upcoming tires segments, but its also great to see the differences in base form too! Thanks for the time and effort making these videos guys!
Let's start talking when the truck and the car have similar tires and not to mention the engine, which is a considerable difference. In the mountains I have seen trucks of the same displacement with chains so that they do not slide while the Subaru climbs without chains and without problems. When you want to do a review, try to match the conditions or make them similar
Living in Alaska, I own a full size truck (GMC) and a Subaru (first a 2006 Forester and now a 2014 Legacy). For the snow conditions in this awesome video I take my truck. And I am really glad you showed the weakness of Subaru's traction control. I live on a steep hill and the first winter with my Legacy also encountered the traction control issue (no traction control with the older Forester). Subaru uses its break system for traction control. The end result as shown is pedal to the floor, in-ability to hill climb, and hot brakes when you reach your destination. Another TFL killer video!!!! Thanks TFL!!!
Hello guys, I'm a Subaru fan. I thought the test and comparison was a bit unfair. I appreciate the fact that you made the test stock to show the limits of the outback as boasted by the manufacturers. Although i liked your no nonsense and un commercially attached approach it was clear that you're not subaru fans. I understood exactly what you said but like you mentioned the outback should at least been equipped with winter tires. I'm a Subaru fan but i'm not a blind evangelist of the brand either. Thanks for showing the limits of the outback in this previous videos from your channel. I'm from Quebec, Canada where the snow is abundant in "the winter"; just a little precision for all my american friends. Overall, love the few vids i've seen from your channel .
I live in quebec i think its ridiculous that its not required to have winter tires in snowy areas of the us during winter, its illegal to use all season or summer tire during winter in quebec.
I'm in Quebec as well, and right on the Ontario border where we get to see people without snow tires and I can't understand how people choose to not use winter tires there ... you can get a used set on rims for so cheap. e.g. I picked up a used set of 265/70/17s on rims for a half ton ram for $400 and I'm on my third winter with them, next winter I'll likely need to replace 2 of them
@Kevin I. $700 and that should last at least 5 winters if you put them on early November and take them off early April! $140 a year is nothing; especially if you can prevent just one collision
I love blizzak, rocking ws-80 on my charger and it does fine, about cost, i really dont think its more expansive on the long run because both set will last longer...
I drive a '01 Subaru Outback Limited (Sedan) and love driving it in the snow.. But they should have equipped snow tires on that '19 Outback in the vid.. would have made a HUGE difference. TBH, all-seasons on an outback will still get you by, but an Outback with dedicated winter tires is an amazing fun time.. night and day difference!
This is a pointless test...the subaru has not so great all seasons...the truck has over twice the power, 4WD, and all terrain tires...the truck is always going to win
@@williamarden5441 I get that they are testing from the factory...but testing a raptor...a purpose built extreme off-road vehicle....against the outback which is a light duty off-roader at best...isn't very relevant...most people can take a glance at these two and understand that the raptor will win...the previous F150 vs outback test was a much closer and relevant comparison between CUVs and trucks Id rather see how the Outback does against other vehicles in its class...or how the raptor holds up against a Z71 silverado or Ram Rebel
@@davidnacy1324 I can see their point though. If a little Outback can somewhat gang with a Raptor that's a awesome little car. I can see where you come from, but also see their side as well
this and that reviews because the title of the video is “what’s the best blizzard fighter”. If they had used the same model tires(regardless of snow or all season) then it would be a legitimate test. As it stands, it’s just a video to keep interest in the channel and the tfl name.
Subarus aren't built to compete with Raptors or 4Runners or Jeep Wranglers. The fact that people constantly insist on comparing them is a tremendous compliment to Subaru's capabilities.
you're racing to indicated 30 mph from the speedo. The wheels can be going over 30mph, but the car might not actually be going that fast yet. It would be better with gps
I have Wrangler with Duratrac, GF has a Subaru with Nokian studded, and Mom has F150 with BFG ko2. For going almost anywhere, its is the Jeep hands down. F150 is the king of deep snow, and the Subaru, is best on a skating rink. (They are all excellent winter rigs, but those are their strengths)
next up on this useless af obviously biased channel: which is faster across chatfield dam- a motorboat or the 2021 subaru crosstrek. WHICH WILL WIN!?!?!?!?
With good snow tires on both the Subaru is gonna take the win in everything but the deepest conditions... Looking forward to the video with snow tires.
OH ya i think you just defeated MANY DECADES of people, companies and governments buying trucks for winter conditions with your statement. They should have been buying 4WD cars.. not trucks. Thanks for your post i think companies all over the world will switch now because of your brilliant words. *FACEPALM* You Twat.. You have to be kidding me.. Trucks out preform cars in low traction situations and have been ever sense... FOREVER.. and they will continue too despite your completely IGNORANT and INCORRECT post..
Napster6 I would respond to that but you clearly lack the intellect to comprehend... You should check out my “snow plow CAR” playlist on my channel...😉
I could have watched this content for twice the time. Colorado, snow, and 4x4s, plus the father,son thing. I cannot wait for the snow tire test on the Subaru. Thanks for filming the C8 Vetts in Oct. We found them for Andre. Be well. Wayne
I love you guys and your content so please take my comment as meaning to be helpful. Irregardless is a double negative and therefore not a word. Say regardless. That is correct. Forgive me. I know that has nothing to do with the subject at hand. I just hear it so often. BTW, I am really looking forward to the video that you have coming where you change the tires on the Subaru Outback. I have owned an Outback for a year now and I love it. Thank you for great content.
Hi, your channel is one of the most entertaining to watch! Greetings from Finland. We have the law to put the snow tires and I would not be able drive like you do with the summer tires :-) Anyways great to watch. I need to drive today in the snow storm though, that's bad...
As good as a Subaru is, this is still like comparing a little league baseball team to the World Series champs. I'd get vehicles in the same class and then make the comparison.
I'd like to see a Chevy Colorado LT vs. the Subaru. You found the key, though, you have to turn OFF the Traction Control to make any progress in very slick conditions.
Jack Z, that maybe true but I wasn't discussing cost, I was just pointing out the strange comparison plus you mentioned Audi's. Ever look at the cost of some of those babies, if people are driving certain Audi models then $80,000 isn't out of their price realm.
Yes, it's all about tires. When my wife and I purchased our impreza new in 2014, we couldn't get good winter tires on it fast enough come winter. Those stock tires are crap in every measurable sense. The only downside to us getting new winter (studded) tires is now we can't "hoon" on the ice/snow. Our subarus grip is unmatched now and is 100% non-stressful for my wife over the pass every winter. Yes, the studs are obnoxious when there's no snow/ice. My wife doesn't daily-drive the subaru when the studs are on unless it's icy. We basically only use them over the pass to visit family over Christmas.
Agree with some of the other commenters but also, you're driving on plowed roads so I wouldn't call that deep snow. I have this Subaru Outback with the Bridgestones and the biggest downside of these tires on snow and ice is their ability to stop. But you can drive through deep powder, over 12 inches, without a problem even on the stock tires so I'm not sure why you afraid of getting stuck.
@@johnfarel3152 Where I live, I only get snow for a few week's, in total, over the winter period but if I was somewhere that snowed for months, winter tyres would be fitted.
glad you found a way to write off your trip to Keystone. Every truck driver in Colorado knows, tires, weight in the bed, and controllable hp are the trick. Winter driving in :CO all my life is why i prefer a stick to an automatic.
I know not a lot of manufacturers give you guys cars right now but it would be awesome for you guys to show a front wheel drive on all seasons vs the outback on all season in the snow and show the difference....plus that test might have some brownie points with Subaru for you guys lol
I'm sure you'll disagree but I'm a firm believer in weight and torque when used by a someone who has a good sense how to drive in snow. I learned to drive in the snow belt south of Buffalo and was there during the blizzard of '77, among others. I've driven in the mountain blizzards in the Sierras, freak storms in completely unprepared coastal North Carolina and like I said the snow belt lake effect blizzards of Western NY on Lake Erie. I've driven through the mountains in Virginia from North Carolina to Buffalo in one day during blizzards. Most of that was done with vehicles without four wheel drive or even a locking differential. One great vehicle was a 1971 Chevrolet Suburban 350 V-8 two wheel drive without a locking differential. Some in a 1991 Chevrolet Caprice without a locking differential and all season tires. I made it to my destinations always despite heavy wet snow, black ice and other obstacles. The only time I got stuck completely was during the beginning of the blizzard of 1977 while driving a Plymouth Volare` sedan (GSA/government car) in downtown Buffalo when it wouldn't push the snow anymore, already up to the bumper. Knowing when to use power, momentum, how to steer in snow and what gear to drive in for the conditions makes a huge difference. I've driven through rushing waters after a hurricane (I knew how deep the water was) past swamped vehicles including ambulances, pickups, tow trucks and police cars in a 1998 Z71 with 4x4 and locking rear differential because I had a good sense of those things mentioned above. The Subaru sounds too complicated trying to figure out which combinations work. It sounds like it's underpowered for its weight and chases height. And of course, four wheel drive, judicious use of throttle, weight, power and good tires make all the difference. During a freak snow storm that dumped 28" of snow with 3 and 4 foot drifts on the Marine Corps Air Station Cherry Point, NC, I put on studded snow tires and cleated chains left over from Buffalo duty and went all over the base bringing coffee and cookies to stranded Marines on duty. I pulled out ambulances and military trucks (commercial Dodges in those days) and never got stuck. With a 6,000 lb curb weight, a high output 350 V8 and that tire chain combination it didn't matter that I didn't have 4x4 or locking differential. Never discount weight, power and knowing how to use them. Spinning the tires is usually not a productive use of power, The goal is to get them to grip.
My wife and I and 3 kids took a Colorado winter vacation in her Subaru WRX, and upon there we passed a lot of trucks and suvs that were stuck in the snow. Just some winter tires and the Subaru with lower ground clearance will perform amd handle better
I used to work at an auto parts store and my boss always said "irregardless". My brother and I sort of teased him about it and asked what the difference is between regardless and irregardless. He was a cool guy, but seemed to have absolutely no clue what we were talking about.
@@Napster60 Did you read that link? Did you see it's described as a *nonstandard* word? What does that mean? From the same source, Dictionary.com, in this context *nonstandard* means "not conforming in pronunciation, grammar, vocabulary, etc., to the usage characteristic of and considered acceptable by most educated native speakers". Ie, not considered a real word by those with an IQ > ambient temperature. It's only acknowledgement comes from how commonly it's mistakenly used. Try using it in writing at work, if you're a professional. Try putting it somewhere in an essay, if you're a student. You'll get called out for it by people who know better immediately, as the link suggests. Fun article for people who write about vocabulary, though... I guess..
sure winter tires help but in all my time living in the north Ive learned you can have the best snow tires in the world and they wont make you drive well in the snow, it takes skill to be a good winter driver.
By your own admission, "it's all about tires." That being the case, why even bother with this comparison until you level the playing field. I'm losing respect for your videos and their content.
@@fredothechimp Sadly...that is not true. Just read the comments in this video, lots of people willing to have crappy tires...in the name of "Freedom".
@@sharpuslf No they don't. Majority of the comments suggest having winter tyres in a snow packed areas like this. Where did you get the idea most ppl willing to have crappy tires?
@@441meatloaf I said "lots", not "most". Where people srill have a choice, a little less than 1/2 choose to use them. www.tracanada.ca/files/TRAC_winter_tire_report_2016-compressed2.pdf
At work we had the opportunity to order trucks with both rear and front limited slip differentials. The difference was shocking, front limited slip was by far the best.
No matter how these tests pan out, it says volumes that their most viewed videos and the car they decided to purchase for their most frequent comparisons was the Subaru Outback. They have obviously discovred that this is a polarizing vehicle for them that get's them views. Love the channel and I love my Subaru Outback.
I have snow tires (Bridstone Blizzak) on my Subaru Forester. It is a completely a different game. I do not understand why you are comparing two vehicles when one that have snow and the other have winter tire. Please do a test with Subaru with winter tires and the Ford Raptor with all season tires. That wound be interresting!
If they are comparing those vehicles stock then they should compare them in the summer, on regular road, every day usage etc. Why comparing two different vehicles. One who is made for heavy duty work and the other one oriented more on family utilisation. For me it doesn’t make sense. What would be the next comparison a Ford Raptor vs a Mazda 3? You don't need do a test to know that a vehicle with deep grove tires would be better in the snow then a vehicle with all summer tires. Take a Ford Fusion AWD with good winter tires and compare it to your Ford Raptor with regular summer tire and do the same test in the snow. You may be disappointed with the Raptor.
@@yvanc3842 What kind of special are you?? Subaru Outback is one of (or maybe IS ) the best winter car you can buy. Raptor is one of (or is the best as of now) the best winter pickup trucks you can buy.. They tested stock to stock from the factory car vs truck. Are you SO TRIGGERED because your favorite brand (Subaru) didn't do well that you insist on better tires than stock when that was THE POINT OF THE TEST? WTF is wrong with you? hell if you where paying ANY ATTENTION AT THE START OF THE VIDEO They said they are getting tires to test with! Grow the F$&# up.
If you drive conservatively in the snow, traction control should be on. If you are just flooring it right off the bat, that's when the braking comes in, and you get the results you have been getting. Traction control, helps keep you from getting out of shape, when you at speed, and gets you going if you use the throttle correctly. I drove through a similar snow storm, with my 2018 Crosstrek, and had few of the problems you seem to have. Braking is another story, I had to anticipate when to get on the brakes, for a stop or turn, or else tempting a slide through them. That is why I got snow tires for this year. I have yet to drive them in a storm.
I love it, you guys have such a lot of snow already. We only got a little bit here in the Austrian Alps yet. On my Outlander with S-AWC Traction Control OFF and LOCK mode ON are the way to go offroad and on snow.
I love your reviews but Everytime you test the Subaru in snow you never put snow tires on it. Nit that I have seen. Of course the all terrain tires will beat all seasons. I would like to see some blizzak snow tires on the outback and re test.
Ram Rebel is just a Ram with fancy looks and tires. In the snow you can do the same with any Ram if you just put the tires on it.. Raptor all day every day..
No the Rebel has different gearing, locking rear, different suspension, 2 inch lift, different tires and more ground clearance. Ya but it's just appearance. Lol please before you talk crap
The fact that the outback did acceptably well in the snow without snow tires is a testament to Subaru, that’s the only thing worth taking from this video.
@@richfarfugnuven6308 They are really 2 different trucks. A Power Wagon is bigger and bulkier and isn't probably the best for daily driving but can tow more. The Raptor is more sportier and fun to drive. If you're not using it to do work with everyday then nothing beats the Raptor but due to the awesome suspension they aren't really made to be doing towing and hauling everyday. You're not going to see too many Raptors on a construction site but you'll have alot more fun with it. 👍
@@jimh.412 I agree up to a point. I live in CO and can't high speed desert run on a regular basis. The trails I'm on are usually more rocky. There lies my conundrum.
@@richfarfugnuven6308 Well at least it's a good conundrum (just very expensive). Can't go wrong really with either truck. I'm a Ford guy but I like the Ram second and wouldn't mind a Power Wagon either.
This is why northerners never move further up north in retirement, ice and snow and very long winters where you really need four wheel drive. Love living well below that Mason/Dixon line and even the politics are different too!
I can see the point of the tests but I really don't see the point of the comparison. By that I mean comparing the Subaru with all-season tires to the Raptor with very aggressive all-terrain tires. I can see doing a before/after of the Outback with stock all-seasons and then with aggressive winter/snow tires and comparing the differences in acceleration, stopping, and overall handling performance. But I just don't see the point with this particular comparison test other than to just beat up on the Outback with the Raptor.
Because people are ignorant enough to drive with the crap the factory provides. Since there's lack of legislation the manufacturers sells cars with all-seasons to avoid liability. Cause they're all seasons and if you crash or kill someone it's on you.
It's called Symmetrical AWD because the drivetrain has perfect 50/50 right to left mass distribution, so if you cut the car in half longitudinally, every drivetrain element in one half of the car is mirrored in the other half or the element is symmetrical and located on the longitudinal axis of the car. Definitely not because "all the wheels get same amount of power all the time", because most S-AWD cars have 60/40 rear bias.
Stop running this car on non-snow tires! I will not watch another video of the Subaru unless it is equipped with a decent set of dedicated snow tires. I experienced the same thing with my old crosstrek, once I installed a set of General Artic Max tires it was a tank. People really need to see how good these things are when properly outfitted. Tests like these are just downright dangerous for you and others on the road.
Wow you guys are a bitter bunch of Subaru fan children.. ITS STOCK VS STOCK! They said that at the start kids! HELL they even said they are going to do a video with the better tires.. You guys are so childish to bitch about this when they already KNOW THE ISSUE!! Twats..
@Two two three Five five six you realize any car with tires not meant for the snow won't perform at their true potential. the truck came with more aggressive tires to begin with hence the reason it did well. idk I'd take my Subaru with blizzak ws80's over getting 1 mile per gallon in the truck lol granted the raptor is still badass...
@@Napster60 If its stock vs stock why compare a subaru to a raptor? Do you not see what they are trying to say in their under tone? They could of literally grabbed a Mitsubishi Eclipse and Outback and compare them stock. Also comparing cars stock without the same tyres is also very useless. Apples and oranges all differ.
@@441meatloaf Because they already did the important video with a more standard F-150. In that video they were demonstrating the differences between a car and a truck in snow as is from the factory. There's nothing wrong with that. They said from the very beginning this is basically for fun and just to see the difference with the Raptor. they even said themselves it was apples and oranges.. Your taking it to seriously.
Apples to oranges? Maybe an expensive Sekai-ichi apple which weighs up to 2 pounds each and costs over $20! Anyway, I don't think many viewers really appreciate what your crew goes through to entertain and inform us, especially in a blizzard!
As much as i agree that this was a good tire ad.. saying that the truck was really only better because of tires is kinda ignorant.. you should know full well the technology behind the Raptors ability in tough traction situations is a HUGE benefit over your average Subaru. From the traction control computer systems to the suspension and drive line advantages.. its better. Not just tires.
Yeah that was silly, it would have been much more informative with snow tires on both. it is kinna cool how the Subie AWD system keep reaching for traction, IMHO their AWD system is the best in the business.
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Next Up: A military Hummer with jumbo sized all terrain Bridgestone Blizzak tires vs. A Kawasaki Ninja motorbike with bald tires in 5 feet of snow!
bigart1993 😆 right?
You're right. That's basically an equivalent comparison.
Go cry more
Next up: 4WD Ford F250 with aggressive snows vs. Honda Civic 2WD with bald summer tires. Ford wins!
True
Fwd to rwd conversions
Haha exactly!!!
Exactly lol 😂
I think they just wanted an excuse to drive around in the Raptor under the guise of a review. Definitely an apples-to-oranges (or perhaps kumquat to watermelon?) review, though.
My outback goes anywhere with snow tires and studs. Love my Subaru!
How much did that cost?
To put the Subaru to the ultimate test you should put it up against a snowmobile! That seems like a “fair test” as all your tests with Subaru
Hahaha. Subie ftw!
The snowmobile will run circles around any Subaru. And it costs much less too.
@@Sm00thieK That was sarcasm, as this channel are always trying to hate in Subaru, as the company won't lend them any cars
Still waiting for your comparison between the Subaru Outback and a D9 bulldozer for pulling stumps out of the ground. The Outback will have stock all-terrain tires and the D9 will have stock metal tracks so it will be a fair comparison.
Next up: which flies best a Subaru Outback Vs an F16
They will say... the wings, of course, is a big facter.
"The Subaru really struggles to take off, but as you can see the F-16 does it just fine" XDXD
well David,,, unfortunately the Subaru did not maintain enough Tourque at Mach-1 to stay with the F-16,, but we will try again in X-Mode...
All of the comments like this just reinforce how much better the raptor is than the outback.
@@EpicAlcatraz99 Comparing a cheap Subaru with street tires to a Raptor is like comparing the Faptor to an OshKosh L-ATV. The Oshkosh maybe a tad bit more expensive but it would vastly outperform the Raptor on rough terrain. It would also vastly outperform the Raptor against IEDs.
I’m excited to see a professional review with snow tires on a Subaru!
Dont get too excited cause subaru is gonna get downplayed as always by these guys.
Once they get winter tires on the Subaru there isn't much of anything to say negative about it besides the lack of power to begin with.
Ground Clearance will still be a issue regardless
@@youhoboken9676 They've only said 4 times a big part is tires, why the butthurt?
@@1dumpedviper not butthurt stating facts. Then they get butthurt when they get provin wrong by subaru 😆
You are 100% right, snow tires make all the difference. I currently own a 2018 Subaru Crosstrek and this is my ninth Subaru. I have Sumitomo Ice Edge snows on it and she handles fantastic! In the past I have used Blizzaks, Nokian Nordman and Altimax Arctic snow tires on my Subies and the Sumitomo's are just as good, if not better, and I saved a lot of money! I prefer tires with an aggressive pattern that will dig through the snow. Cheers!
I'm guessing you guys have discovered how many people on TH-cam watch Subaru videos, so you're doing these ridiculous Subaru "tests" and "comparisons" to get more views. No reasonable person would compare an Outback to a Raptor, or do zero to 60 in a base outback, or draw the wrong conclusions from the roller test of the outback, etc.... It's all just click bait.
yup. thats what this channel should be known for
I live in Switzerland and it's obligatory to use proper winter/snow tyres in the winter months. I have a 2015 Subaru Outback and in the snow with proper tyres it's incredible. I've rescued many many people in winter. In snow, a front wheel drive car with snow tyres is more effective than a 4wd with 'summer' or 'all season' tyres. 'All season' tyres are simply crap in all seasons.... but a 4wd/AWD car with proper snow tyres is formidable. Its all about the tyres. Safety first, its your, or your families lives, use the proper tyres!!
Oric Al Yep, every winter I pass by dozens of truck & SUV owners in my FWD car as they are stuck in the ditch, most of them are so buried in car payments they couldn’t afford proper tires!
Ich habe auch einen 2016 Subaru Outback 2.0 D. Es geht nichts über Sommer und Winterräder. All Seasons Reifen sind für Menschen die Sparen wollen , wenig fahren und schon garnicht in höheren Lagen leben . Ich lebe im Schwarzwald / Deutschland.....da kommt man an Winterreifen nicht vorbei!
@@_AdventureGS Your German is very good.
Tyres...
I have been in switzerland sevral times, a lot of subarus in all the mountains villages, ...remeber a truck stuck and a old woman with a suzuki Ignis going to buy bread passing by.
Disingenuous nonsense like this is why Subaru stopped supplying test vehicles to these guys.
So grumpy! It sounds like you are having a bad day. Please don’t take it out on us.
Bad day? A bad day is making crap.
If you're not capable of doing a useful head to head comparison then maybe you need to consider another line of work. Flipping burgers perhaps.
@@TFLcar People have the right to be grumpy. The only reason you are responding is the fact you are salty over the viewers commenting that you make moronic videos.
@@TFLcar because I passed plenty of spun out and stuck trucks and suvs in Colorado winter in the Subaru WRX. Actually pulled a Raptor out with the Subie
@@TFLcar Don't listen to these guys! I found this video VERY entertaining!
I would like to see the Raptor against the Subaru STi with the locking center diff. Put the STi on comparable tires and let Paul run a lap in both around your test track while it is covered in snow. Best lap time wins.
They didn't use a Raptor in this video
Don’t forget the slalom, moose test in wet tarmac
Now, the Subaru Outback Wilderness is out now ! Rematch 😃
Our next test:
Which is the best off-roader? Hummer H1, or Mazda Miata?
Ugh....
G Wagon.
Miata
Using different tires defeats the purpose of capability comparison. Please use same tires when reviewing various cars. Hope to see this change in future videos.
What, put little car tires on the Raptor? Or try and fail to fit the Raptor tires on the Subaru? Send your complaint to Subaru.
Put the same tyres on both vehicles
They literally said in the video that they were going to make a future video out of that
Yes
@@bielmelichartes2167 you dont know shit then. My crosstrek runs the bfg K02S and I've pulled 4x4 trucks out of snow land mud
@@bielmelichartes2167 I'm running bfg t/a K02s 235/75/r15
@@bielmelichartes2167 the are the same tires just not the same size. Yes 35s will do better in deep mud and rock crawling but for snow it doesnt change much
Highway tires verses off road tires in the snow, wow f--n crazy !
What about the Subaru with KO2s? That’s what I run on mine!
You don't even know what Symmetrical AWD means...
Really? A Subaru vs a Raptor? These guys making themselves look like fools. Do they even know what a Blizzard is? A Blizzard is a snowstorm with high winds and really terrible visibility. They're just driving around in the snow, lol.
This is such a generic comparison, made by journalists posing as knowledgeable car guys.
Exactly. A blizzard is large quantity of blowing snow with reduced visibility, perhaps zero visibility. A blizzard can occur whether or not it is actually snowing.
You come out of the corner on M28 north of Harvey, Michigan where Lake Superior can finally get at you in November. Road rated for 50 MPH.
BANG
Instant white-out in a corner with snow, ice, and Superior on your right side with a flimsy guard rail for protection.
THAT is a blizzard.
@wckdkoolbtxh any 4WD relatively heavy vehicle with good tires will do fine in the snow. Your 4runner is nothing special.
@@alansach8437 without snow fall it's specifically called a "ground blizzard" in the flatlands.
Colorado, all of the Rockies really is a poor place to test deep snow ability anyways, it's either dry and fluffy where you can plow it with the front bumper or refroze a few times into a hard crust over the snow/sheet ice in the ruts.
The wet snow of the PNW or upper midwest you can get high centered on a little more than a foot of fresh snow with 10" of ground clearance
@@MinimalistMotoLife I live in the Northern Rockies and ground blizzards are a big problem here, often causing 12 to 18 inch drifts through which virtually nothing is getting through. Conditions in this video are a long way from being a blizzard!
As a Canadian, stoked to see some Nokian Hakkapeliittas on that Outback!
I have those on my Legacy, and the wife's AWD Sienna. AK/Yukon Tested and Approved!
I've got hak 8's on my Impreza...studded no less. Best traction in the world!
Have studded Hakkapelitta 9s on my Crosstrek and my mom has them on her Grand Cherokee! By far the most amazing snow tires I've ever used.
I'm a GM guy, but that Raptor is beautiful.
Nice video!
I am just curious why you are a GM guy?
@@dabbking - I have liked every Silverado except for the 2019s. I also like most Vettes.
Every company makes at least one crappy car though. Ford, FCA, Mercedes, etc. GM as well.
@@calvin- haha according to Scotty all Mercedes are crap cars
DeVench1 That crusty old man is biased against every vehicle that’s not a 1994 Toyota Celica
Quite a clueless review. Having both the Subaru and a Ram, I would take the Subaru in most snowy situations because the Subaru is better balanced at speed than the pickup which is light in the back (unloaded) and can spin in curves. In their pointless 30 mph straight line test, the Raptor will win but I don't see straight roads on most mountains. Just ask any experienced pickup driver and they will weight their truck bed with a 300-500 lbs of weight just to keep the shiny side up. This video looks like a paid video for Ford.
Excellent point. And as i already stated in another comment i made. You put say Yoko Geolander AT G015's on a 3.6R Outback to be at least somewhat comparable to this truck's horsepower. And you have yourself a VERY VERY capable snow worthy crossover. That can do just as well as this truck did in the snow. So yeah TIRES MAKE THE DIFFERENCE folks.
You can not compare a Subaru Outback with 4 seasons tires
And a Ford raptor with agressive winter tires....I Will give you a
1 on 10 there is no comparaison between the two....
I won't even listen to the end.....
Ford Will give you a truck ....
They didn't use a Raptor
Technically and by definition you can compare anything you want.
I can compare a kitchen knife with a can of spray paint if I want to.
Who the hell is going to cross shop a Subaru and a raptor?
@Two two three Five five six I'm willing to bet more Raptor owners lean right rather than left. We liberals are generally too worried about the environment to daily a gas guzzling 70K truck.
When the husband took the Raptor into service and needs to take the wife's Suby.
@@marklion315 Of course Raptor owners lean right. We're not pussies like libtards. What a sorry group of people you guys are. 🙄
@@jimh.412 Whatever makes you feel better compadre.
They didn't use a Raptor
Silly comparison. I’ve owned 2 Outbacks. Currently have a 2011. I also own a 2016 F-150 Larait . I live in Alaska. Ask me which one I drive in the snow and ice? The Subie WITH winter tires of course. Unbeatable.
Growing up with ATVs my entire life, I've treated all of my cars-trucks as toys. Racing, hooning, winter shenanigans. I've had RWD, AWD and 4X4. No matter what, tires in winter are the #1 factor on handling. I've had 23 cars and trucks and the 2 vehicles stick out in my mind. My 01 Ford Explorer was a best in deeps snow, it went through everything. My 07 Subi STI was a handling king for hooning, perfect handling. I would love to see a video where the Raptor has good winter tires.
Ah yes, the good old “floor it” technique to get unstuck uphill. 🤔
Such a ridiculous comparison. Mid-size SUV vs full size V8 truck, definitely fair!
As someone who has owned two Subarus, I am fully confident they can handle the majority of conditions. I've taken an old Forester through mountain winters in negative 20 temperatures, on unplowed snowy and icy roads and it got me to my destination without even barely struggling, and that was on all-seasons as well. I feel like these comparisons always paint Subaru in a bad light, but it's an unfair comparison to begin with. Yeah, you're not going to be ripping around in the snow like a maniac and stopping immediately like a giant truck would. But, the important question, WHO DRIVES LIKE THAT IN BAD WEATHER TO BEGIN WITH? If you do, you shouldn't drive. Subarus aren't invincible, they're not the best thing ever, I've had other cars, but in the case of bad weather, I trust Subaru every time.
I completely agree!! Side note that truck is actually a V6 now
@@quaranjones2359 3.5 Ecoboost right?
I typically like your reviews and am a fan of the channel. Being from Wisconsin and having lived in Colorado for 4 years, I can relate. But I have never seen an Outback perform so poorly and I'm afraid you have grossly mis-represented the Subaru. My outback routinely passed and maneuvered around trucks and SUVs in any snow, light or deep, in both all seasons and winter tires. I once pulled a mid-sized truck up my local neighborhood trail with my outback in a 12" blizzard. Either you literally have the worst tires ever designed, or the outback has gone downhill. My 2014 with all season tires (Continental) drove around every other vehicle in any snow storm. With winter tires, I would pass trucks by 20mph on the interstate in blinding snow. I get it, real world "testing". But this is really a gross mis-representation to anyone who has never driven a Subaru in snow. Also, consider the significant difference in normal force provided to the Ford's tires. Traction is a factor of normal force and coefficient of friction. Assuming the cf is constant (same tire), the Ford still gets more pure traction based on its weight and thereby normal force on each tire. Still a no-doubter for me, if I'm in any level of snow on pavement, I want a Subaru over any other vehicle. (For context, I currently own a Land Rover LR3 and Land Cruiser (LX 570) and miss my Subaru whenever the snow shows up.)
I went from the all season tires to the General Grabber AT2s on my old Subaru outback. BEYOND noticeable change... I had snow deeper than the door trim and walked out of the snow with my outback with those tires, the car felt like a snow plow with snow pushing over the hood... then again it was a 98 outback without all the driver "assists", which neuter the car. I had ran through 2 sets of those tires on that car. I loved them so much I put them on my 96 RHD XJ. I can go places in 2WD in that jeep with those tires than I could only dream of in 4WD with all season tires on. I tell everyone that tires are more important than 4WD in the snow and mud.
Can't wait till you get some snow tires on the subie! We have Blizzak WS80s on our Outback and we love it. Still get great mpgs too with the 2.5L
I loved doing a brake test with the ws80's. My passengers thought I was nuts rolling up to a stop sign doing 20mph and the car just stopped😂
just ordered a set for my outback!!!
I have a set of those for my 02 SVT Focus and they work great.
C’mon Fast Lane - you already demonstrated how poor the Bridgestone duelers are on a Subaru in the snow. This is pointless.
"The truck does all the thinking for me. " Hopefully it will film in the future too, maybe it'll be better. Oh snap.
No fair ! If your gonna compare , at least have equal snow tires on each vehicle . And I've always found that pick-ups and vans need added extra weight in the rear to get traction .
Excited for the upcoming tires segments, but its also great to see the differences in base form too! Thanks for the time and effort making these videos guys!
Let's start talking when the truck and the car have similar tires and not to mention the engine, which is a considerable difference. In the mountains I have seen trucks of the same displacement with chains so that they do not slide while the Subaru climbs without chains and without problems. When you want to do a review, try to match the conditions or make them similar
Living in Alaska, I own a full size truck (GMC) and a Subaru (first a 2006 Forester and now a 2014 Legacy). For the snow conditions in this awesome video I take my truck. And I am really glad you showed the weakness of Subaru's traction control. I live on a steep hill and the first winter with my Legacy also encountered the traction control issue (no traction control with the older Forester). Subaru uses its break system for traction control. The end result as shown is pedal to the floor, in-ability to hill climb, and hot brakes when you reach your destination. Another TFL killer video!!!! Thanks TFL!!!
get snow tires then the Subaru will be fine
Oh I have studded Nokian Hakkapeliitta 8s on it.@@garrettsurfboards
should be BRAKE system unless your car was drinking coffee.
Turn off all traction and stability then you wont have a issue. Hold button for 10 secs. She will spin till your heart is content
Having owned both I always had more confidence in my outback.
2in lift with KO2s on the Outback... then do a face off
Otherwise this is pointless
Hello guys, I'm a Subaru fan. I thought the test and comparison was a bit unfair. I appreciate the fact that you made the test stock to show the limits of the outback as boasted by the manufacturers. Although i liked your no nonsense and un commercially attached approach it was clear that you're not subaru fans. I understood exactly what you said but like you mentioned the outback should at least been equipped with winter tires. I'm a Subaru fan but i'm not a blind evangelist of the brand either. Thanks for showing the limits of the outback in this previous videos from your channel. I'm from Quebec, Canada where the snow is abundant in "the winter"; just a little precision for all my american friends. Overall, love the few vids i've seen from your channel .
I live in quebec i think its ridiculous that its not required to have winter tires in snowy areas of the us during winter, its illegal to use all season or summer tire during winter in quebec.
I'm in Quebec as well, and right on the Ontario border where we get to see people without snow tires and I can't understand how people choose to not use winter tires there ... you can get a used set on rims for so cheap. e.g. I picked up a used set of 265/70/17s on rims for a half ton ram for $400 and I'm on my third winter with them, next winter I'll likely need to replace 2 of them
@Kevin I. $700 and that should last at least 5 winters if you put them on early November and take them off early April! $140 a year is nothing; especially if you can prevent just one collision
i am glad i dont live in canaga?
It is ridiculous. I live in Maine, USA and people insist that their all seasons are fine. I always run Bridgestone Blizzaks on my Subaru.
I love blizzak, rocking ws-80 on my charger and it does fine, about cost, i really dont think its more expansive on the long run because both set will last longer...
I drive a '01 Subaru Outback Limited (Sedan) and love driving it in the snow.. But they should have equipped snow tires on that '19 Outback in the vid.. would have made a HUGE difference. TBH, all-seasons on an outback will still get you by, but an Outback with dedicated winter tires is an amazing fun time.. night and day difference!
This is a pointless test...the subaru has not so great all seasons...the truck has over twice the power, 4WD, and all terrain tires...the truck is always going to win
As they stated they are testing what comes from the factory. Why do people always try to find the negative shit
@@williamarden5441 I get that they are testing from the factory...but testing a raptor...a purpose built extreme off-road vehicle....against the outback which is a light duty off-roader at best...isn't very relevant...most people can take a glance at these two and understand that the raptor will win...the previous F150 vs outback test was a much closer and relevant comparison between CUVs and trucks
Id rather see how the Outback does against other vehicles in its class...or how the raptor holds up against a Z71 silverado or Ram Rebel
@@davidnacy1324 I can see their point though. If a little Outback can somewhat gang with a Raptor that's a awesome little car. I can see where you come from, but also see their side as well
Who in their right mind drives cars in winter without winter tires on?
this and that reviews because the title of the video is “what’s the best blizzard fighter”. If they had used the same model tires(regardless of snow or all season) then it would be a legitimate test. As it stands, it’s just a video to keep interest in the channel and the tfl name.
Subarus aren't built to compete with Raptors or 4Runners or Jeep Wranglers. The fact that people constantly insist on comparing them is a tremendous compliment to Subaru's capabilities.
you're racing to indicated 30 mph from the speedo. The wheels can be going over 30mph, but the car might not actually be going that fast yet. It would be better with gps
I have Wrangler with Duratrac, GF has a Subaru with Nokian studded, and Mom has F150 with BFG ko2. For going almost anywhere, its is the Jeep hands down. F150 is the king of deep snow, and the Subaru, is best on a skating rink. (They are all excellent winter rigs, but those are their strengths)
next up on this useless af obviously biased channel: which is faster across chatfield dam- a motorboat or the 2021 subaru crosstrek. WHICH WILL WIN!?!?!?!?
I put BFG all-terrains on my 2011 outback and it was day and night difference. No more traction issues at all.
With good snow tires on both the Subaru is gonna take the win in everything but the deepest conditions... Looking forward to the video with snow tires.
OH ya i think you just defeated MANY DECADES of people, companies and governments buying trucks for winter conditions with your statement. They should have been buying 4WD cars.. not trucks. Thanks for your post i think companies all over the world will switch now because of your brilliant words. *FACEPALM* You Twat..
You have to be kidding me..
Trucks out preform cars in low traction situations and have been ever sense... FOREVER.. and they will continue too despite your completely IGNORANT and INCORRECT post..
Napster6 I would respond to that but you clearly lack the intellect to comprehend... You should check out my “snow plow CAR” playlist on my channel...😉
I could have watched this content for twice the time. Colorado, snow, and 4x4s, plus the father,son thing. I cannot wait for the snow tire test on the Subaru. Thanks for filming the C8 Vetts in Oct. We found them for Andre. Be well. Wayne
Looking forward to see Snow Tires in the Subaru! I drive a Forester and snow tires make all the difference in snow.
Almost 2 years old, and still a great video to watch!!! 🙂
I love you guys and your content so please take my comment as meaning to be helpful. Irregardless is a double negative and therefore not a word. Say regardless. That is correct. Forgive me. I know that has nothing to do with the subject at hand. I just hear it so often. BTW, I am really looking forward to the video that you have coming where you change the tires on the Subaru Outback. I have owned an Outback for a year now and I love it. Thank you for great content.
Thumb's up, Monica,..me too! About as silly to say, " inflammable" isn't it? ( according to what I was taught,..that would be 'it won't burn at all'!)
I like this video regardless of the fact Roman said "irregardless"!
@@jamesbeaman6337 Good point, so do I actually,.....I'm just being 'nit--picky' about his choice of a 'non-word'!
I searched the comments to see if anyone else heard that! lol
@@dylansaunders8312then someone took your money and you need to report it to the police.
Hi, your channel is one of the most entertaining to watch! Greetings from Finland. We have the law to put the snow tires and I would not be able drive like you do with the summer tires :-) Anyways great to watch. I need to drive today in the snow storm though, that's bad...
All the talk about tires, but no one points out that KO2's, along with most all terrain tires, are 3 Peak Mountain snow rated just like winter tires.
Great job guys. Don't worry about the negative comments keep up the good work.
As good as a Subaru is, this is still like comparing a little league baseball team to the World Series champs. I'd get vehicles in the same class and then make the comparison.
I'd like to see a Chevy Colorado LT vs. the Subaru. You found the key, though, you have to turn OFF the Traction Control to make any progress in very slick conditions.
@@jedironin380 you are right..it is mostly useless as far as I am concerned.
Jack Z, that maybe true but I wasn't discussing cost, I was just pointing out the strange comparison plus you mentioned Audi's. Ever look at the cost of some of those babies, if people are driving certain Audi models then $80,000 isn't out of their price realm.
Tommy was right the comment section is full of people complaining about the tires
anyway great video guys thank you
I feel that automatic vs CVT is playing a roll here as well.
Yes, it's all about tires. When my wife and I purchased our impreza new in 2014, we couldn't get good winter tires on it fast enough come winter. Those stock tires are crap in every measurable sense. The only downside to us getting new winter (studded) tires is now we can't "hoon" on the ice/snow. Our subarus grip is unmatched now and is 100% non-stressful for my wife over the pass every winter. Yes, the studs are obnoxious when there's no snow/ice. My wife doesn't daily-drive the subaru when the studs are on unless it's icy. We basically only use them over the pass to visit family over Christmas.
Agree with some of the other commenters but also, you're driving on plowed roads so I wouldn't call that deep snow. I have this Subaru Outback with the Bridgestones and the biggest downside of these tires on snow and ice is their ability to stop. But you can drive through deep powder, over 12 inches, without a problem even on the stock tires so I'm not sure why you afraid of getting stuck.
Mine also came with Bridgestone Sport (something) and put on Micheline Crossclimate+ on just before winter hit and had zero issues with them or car.
@@GGMan I've debating getting winter tires but I work from home and live in the mid-atlantic so not sure it's worth the investment.
@@johnfarel3152 Where I live, I only get snow for a few week's, in total, over the winter period but if I was somewhere that snowed for months, winter tyres would be fitted.
Had 07 and than 13 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4 , now bought 03 BMW X5 AWD , exited for winter but wish Portland OR was like Colorado, great video
Great video. I took it as a tire test and I was planning on 37” KO2 on the Jeep after my MT MTTZ’s wear out. You helped make my choice.
glad you found a way to write off your trip to Keystone. Every truck driver in Colorado knows, tires, weight in the bed, and controllable hp are the trick. Winter driving in :CO all my life is why i prefer a stick to an automatic.
I know not a lot of manufacturers give you guys cars right now but it would be awesome for you guys to show a front wheel drive on all seasons vs the outback on all season in the snow and show the difference....plus that test might have some brownie points with Subaru for you guys lol
I'm sure you'll disagree but I'm a firm believer in weight and torque when used by a someone who has a good sense how to drive in snow. I learned to drive in the snow belt south of Buffalo and was there during the blizzard of '77, among others. I've driven in the mountain blizzards in the Sierras, freak storms in completely unprepared coastal North Carolina and like I said the snow belt lake effect blizzards of Western NY on Lake Erie. I've driven through the mountains in Virginia from North Carolina to Buffalo in one day during blizzards. Most of that was done with vehicles without four wheel drive or even a locking differential. One great vehicle was a 1971 Chevrolet Suburban 350 V-8 two wheel drive without a locking differential. Some in a 1991 Chevrolet Caprice without a locking differential and all season tires. I made it to my destinations always despite heavy wet snow, black ice and other obstacles. The only time I got stuck completely was during the beginning of the blizzard of 1977 while driving a Plymouth Volare` sedan (GSA/government car) in downtown Buffalo when it wouldn't push the snow anymore, already up to the bumper.
Knowing when to use power, momentum, how to steer in snow and what gear to drive in for the conditions makes a huge difference. I've driven through rushing waters after a hurricane (I knew how deep the water was) past swamped vehicles including ambulances, pickups, tow trucks and police cars in a 1998 Z71 with 4x4 and locking rear differential because I had a good sense of those things mentioned above. The Subaru sounds too complicated trying to figure out which combinations work. It sounds like it's underpowered for its weight and chases height. And of course, four wheel drive, judicious use of throttle, weight, power and good tires make all the difference. During a freak snow storm that dumped 28" of snow with 3 and 4 foot drifts on the Marine Corps Air Station Cherry Point, NC, I put on studded snow tires and cleated chains left over from Buffalo duty and went all over the base bringing coffee and cookies to stranded Marines on duty. I pulled out ambulances and military trucks (commercial Dodges in those days) and never got stuck. With a 6,000 lb curb weight, a high output 350 V8 and that tire chain combination it didn't matter that I didn't have 4x4 or locking differential.
Never discount weight, power and knowing how to use them. Spinning the tires is usually not a productive use of power, The goal is to get them to grip.
Snow whales exist, you just have to believe!
SNOW WHALE FOUND!!!!
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My wife and I and 3 kids took a Colorado winter vacation in her Subaru WRX, and upon there we passed a lot of trucks and suvs that were stuck in the snow. Just some winter tires and the Subaru with lower ground clearance will perform amd handle better
"irregardless" is not a word.
I used to work at an auto parts store and my boss always said "irregardless". My brother and I sort of teased him about it and asked what the difference is between regardless and irregardless. He was a cool guy, but seemed to have absolutely no clue what we were talking about.
Yes it is.. sorry WORD POLICE you got it wrong.
www.dictionary.com/e/is-irregardless-a-word/
@@Napster60 Did you read that link? Did you see it's described as a *nonstandard* word? What does that mean? From the same source, Dictionary.com, in this context *nonstandard* means "not conforming in pronunciation, grammar, vocabulary, etc., to the usage characteristic of and considered acceptable by most educated native speakers". Ie, not considered a real word by those with an IQ > ambient temperature. It's only acknowledgement comes from how commonly it's mistakenly used. Try using it in writing at work, if you're a professional. Try putting it somewhere in an essay, if you're a student. You'll get called out for it by people who know better immediately, as the link suggests. Fun article for people who write about vocabulary, though... I guess..
I'm not sure that the best defense for using a word is, "We've been wrong for so long that now we're right."
I came here just for this comment. Thank you!!
Subaru's are awesome in the snow with good tires. I have watched a Subaru legacy back through 40" of snow out of our driveway.
I love these snow testing videos. Very entertaining and it does give good insight to how both vehicles work. Great work
sure winter tires help but in all my time living in the north Ive learned you can have the best snow tires in the world and they wont make you drive well in the snow, it takes skill to be a good winter driver.
meanwhile on this channel: "just floor it!"
By your own admission, "it's all about tires." That being the case, why even bother with this comparison until you level the playing field. I'm losing respect for your videos and their content.
But it ain’t stock. So what you’re describing isn’t a really good comparison
@@14s0cc3r14 Sure it is, no one who drives in that climate frequently is going to keep all seasons on their Subaru
@@fredothechimp Sadly...that is not true. Just read the comments in this video, lots of people willing to have crappy tires...in the name of "Freedom".
@@sharpuslf No they don't. Majority of the comments suggest having winter tyres in a snow packed areas like this. Where did you get the idea most ppl willing to have crappy tires?
@@441meatloaf I said "lots", not "most". Where people srill have a choice, a little less than 1/2 choose to use them. www.tracanada.ca/files/TRAC_winter_tire_report_2016-compressed2.pdf
At work we had the opportunity to order trucks with both rear and front limited slip differentials. The difference was shocking, front limited slip was by far the best.
where I live we drive in these conditions with 80hp fwd dacias
Same here, but with Volvos.
Kudos to you.
Where i live, we never have snow. Hot weather forever
And they are manual
Where I live, we don't even have cars. We walk in these conditions up-hill both ways.
No matter how these tests pan out, it says volumes that their most viewed videos and the car they decided to purchase for their most frequent comparisons was the Subaru Outback. They have obviously discovred that this is a polarizing vehicle for them that get's them views. Love the channel and I love my Subaru Outback.
I have snow tires (Bridstone Blizzak) on my Subaru Forester. It is a completely a different game. I do not understand why you are comparing two vehicles when one that have snow and the other have winter tire. Please do a test with Subaru with winter tires and the Ford Raptor with all season tires. That wound be interresting!
Yvan Caron Why? They are comparing them stock from the factory
If they are comparing those vehicles stock then they should compare them in the summer, on regular road, every day usage etc.
Why comparing two different vehicles. One who is made for heavy duty work and the other one oriented more on family utilisation. For me it doesn’t make sense. What would be the next comparison a Ford Raptor vs a Mazda 3? You don't need do a test to know that a vehicle with deep grove tires would be better in the snow then a vehicle with all summer tires. Take a Ford Fusion AWD with good winter tires and compare it to your Ford Raptor with regular summer tire and do the same test in the snow. You may be disappointed with the Raptor.
Same my forester is a beast in the snow decent with my all seasons
But AMAZING with my snows
#Subaru
@@yvanc3842
What kind of special are you??
Subaru Outback is one of (or maybe IS ) the best winter car you can buy.
Raptor is one of (or is the best as of now) the best winter pickup trucks you can buy..
They tested stock to stock from the factory car vs truck.
Are you SO TRIGGERED because your favorite brand (Subaru) didn't do well that you insist on better tires than stock when that was THE POINT OF THE TEST? WTF is wrong with you?
hell if you where paying ANY ATTENTION AT THE START OF THE VIDEO They said they are getting tires to test with! Grow the F$&# up.
No need to get upset!! Please read other comments.
Not everyone has the cash for a 85,000 dollar truck .. I’d rather save money and be at the shop less often and go with a Subaru ..
I really enjoy you guy's videos...great content
They really love this Subaru lol
If you drive conservatively in the snow, traction control should be on. If you are just flooring it right off the bat, that's when the braking comes in, and you get the results you have been getting. Traction control, helps keep you from getting out of shape, when you at speed, and gets you going if you use the throttle correctly. I drove through a similar snow storm, with my 2018 Crosstrek, and had few of the problems you seem to have. Braking is another story, I had to anticipate when to get on the brakes, for a stop or turn, or else tempting a slide through them. That is why I got snow tires for this year. I have yet to drive them in a storm.
Aww Roman, avoid “irregardless”! 🤔😉
I love it, you guys have such a lot of snow already. We only got a little bit here in the Austrian Alps yet.
On my Outlander with S-AWC Traction Control OFF and LOCK mode ON are the way to go offroad and on snow.
I love your reviews but Everytime you test the Subaru in snow you never put snow tires on it. Nit that I have seen. Of course the all terrain tires will beat all seasons. I would like to see some blizzak snow tires on the outback and re test.
When it comes to grip It’s all about right tyres suited too the right conditions, nothing like having fun in the snow with a four wheel drive
Use the rebel in snow
Audilife the ram rebel is mostly just an appearance package
Ram Rebel is just a Ram with fancy looks and tires. In the snow you can do the same with any Ram if you just put the tires on it.. Raptor all day every day..
Raptor is better then ram all day
No the Rebel has different gearing, locking rear, different suspension, 2 inch lift, different tires and more ground clearance. Ya but it's just appearance. Lol please before you talk crap
Napster6 wrong. At least do a google search before you start talking smack...
The fact that the outback did acceptably well in the snow without snow tires is a testament to Subaru, that’s the only thing worth taking from this video.
Power Wagon vs Raptor in deep snow please.....
Why?
@@jimh.412 because those are two trucks I am shopping right now.
@@richfarfugnuven6308 They are really 2 different trucks. A Power Wagon is bigger and bulkier and isn't probably the best for daily driving but can tow more. The Raptor is more sportier and fun to drive. If you're not using it to do work with everyday then nothing beats the Raptor but due to the awesome suspension they aren't really made to be doing towing and hauling everyday. You're not going to see too many Raptors on a construction site but you'll have alot more fun with it. 👍
@@jimh.412 I agree up to a point. I live in CO and can't high speed desert run on a regular basis. The trails I'm on are usually more rocky. There lies my conundrum.
@@richfarfugnuven6308 Well at least it's a good conundrum (just very expensive). Can't go wrong really with either truck. I'm a Ford guy but I like the Ram second and wouldn't mind a Power Wagon either.
This is why northerners never move further up north in retirement, ice and snow and very long winters where you really need four wheel drive. Love living well below that Mason/Dixon line and even the politics are different too!
your content keeps getting better and better. keep it up guys!
It’s not Apples to Apples. Try a wilderness with a turbo. Of course you can’t.. you have negativity toward Subaru.
I can see the point of the tests but I really don't see the point of the comparison. By that I mean comparing the Subaru with all-season tires to the Raptor with very aggressive all-terrain tires. I can see doing a before/after of the Outback with stock all-seasons and then with aggressive winter/snow tires and comparing the differences in acceleration, stopping, and overall handling performance. But I just don't see the point with this particular comparison test other than to just beat up on the Outback with the Raptor.
Did you watch the first 90 seconds of the video where they stated, they are comparing from the factory Stock to Stock tires?
Because people are ignorant enough to drive with the crap the factory provides.
Since there's lack of legislation the manufacturers sells cars with all-seasons
to avoid liability. Cause they're all seasons and if you crash or kill someone it's
on you.
@@PeterOekvist Why would it not be on you if you crash and kill somebody? 🤔
@@jimh.412 That's not what i said.
@@PeterOekvist Sure it is. Learn how to drive dummy.
Love snowy winter. That is a proper winter. Bliss :-)
could you please use winter tires next time. I mean is such amount of snow you really should be driving winter tires.
It's called Symmetrical AWD because the drivetrain has perfect 50/50 right to left mass distribution, so if you cut the car in half longitudinally, every drivetrain element in one half of the car is mirrored in the other half or the element is symmetrical and located on the longitudinal axis of the car. Definitely not because "all the wheels get same amount of power all the time", because most S-AWD cars have 60/40 rear bias.
I look forward to your snow tire test on the Subie.
rollingrecliner That ain’t stock
$27,000 Outback vs. $90,000 Raptor. I'll take the Outback and buy some amazing snow tires and keep the change. Fun comparison, though!
You can get a raptor for 35k. And it's way more dependable in that weather and will never get stuck.
Stop running this car on non-snow tires! I will not watch another video of the Subaru unless it is equipped with a decent set of dedicated snow tires. I experienced the same thing with my old crosstrek, once I installed a set of General Artic Max tires it was a tank. People really need to see how good these things are when properly outfitted. Tests like these are just downright dangerous for you and others on the road.
killercanary95GT they are obsessed with trying to destroy Subaru. It’s getting so painfully obvious right now.
Wow you guys are a bitter bunch of Subaru fan children.. ITS STOCK VS STOCK! They said that at the start kids! HELL they even said they are going to do a video with the better tires.. You guys are so childish to bitch about this when they already KNOW THE ISSUE!! Twats..
@Two two three Five five six you realize any car with tires not meant for the snow won't perform at their true potential. the truck came with more aggressive tires to begin with hence the reason it did well. idk I'd take my Subaru with blizzak ws80's over getting 1 mile per gallon in the truck lol granted the raptor is still badass...
@@Napster60 If its stock vs stock why compare a subaru to a raptor? Do you not see what they are trying to say in their under tone? They could of literally grabbed a Mitsubishi Eclipse and Outback and compare them stock. Also comparing cars stock without the same tyres is also very useless. Apples and oranges all differ.
@@441meatloaf
Because they already did the important video with a more standard F-150. In that video they were demonstrating the differences between a car and a truck in snow as is from the factory. There's nothing wrong with that.
They said from the very beginning this is basically for fun and just to see the difference with the Raptor. they even said themselves it was apples and oranges..
Your taking it to seriously.
Apples to oranges? Maybe an expensive Sekai-ichi apple which weighs up to 2 pounds each and costs over $20! Anyway, I don't think many viewers really appreciate what your crew goes through to entertain and inform us, especially in a blizzard!
This isn’t about Subaru Outback vs Ford Raptor...this is Snow Tires vs “All Season” 🙄 Tires...
As much as i agree that this was a good tire ad.. saying that the truck was really only better because of tires is kinda ignorant.. you should know full well the technology behind the Raptors ability in tough traction situations is a HUGE benefit over your average Subaru. From the traction control computer systems to the suspension and drive line advantages.. its better. Not just tires.
The used an F150 FX4 not a Raptor
Yeah that was silly, it would have been much more informative with snow tires on both. it is kinna cool how the Subie AWD system keep reaching for traction, IMHO their AWD system is the best in the business.