Good training! Keep it up. Comments to follow are meant to be constructive not negative. Never use a self retracting lifeline or shock absorbing lanyard for bin rescue as in this video. An SRL will slowly pay out if the grain begins to flow and go down with the victim. Depending on how far the victim is entrapped, shock absorbing lanyard can deploy to its full length like the SRL. The tie off needs to be snug and taught so that the victim can self assist with the lifeline as the grain level begins to drop. Hope this makes sense. Training the wrong way can be as bad as not training at all. Not throwing rocks here, just don't want to reinforce bad procedures. You will find that it is much easier to assemble all the panels resting on the surface BEFORE shoving them down into the grain. This allows proper pre alignment and adjustment while all parts are free to move. Once all panels are in position, then you can start driving them. Make sure to ask the victim where he/she thinks their legs are oriented. Don't want to drive a panel into a knee. When using the slide hammer, have a rescuer stand on or at least add downward pressure on the outside rungs to greatly speed the driving process. Grain augers and vacs (even a shop vac) can greatly speed the grain removal process and are worth the investment. When using the auger, make sure the drill operator is careful not to cover the cooling vents on the drill. They can fail or go into thermal shutdown for several minutes that you may not have. Make sure you keep an eye on the grain level in the tube. If it's not going down, you need to drive your panels deeper. All of these things can go simultaneously too. Train for it. I don't know it all, but have practiced this many times and assisted others in many iterations of this drill. My opinions are based on my experience and aren't "the only way to do it". Keep training and encourage input and after action reviews and do it again to see what works best. Train in different bin locations and different grains. Center, wall, mid way, etc. Each add their own complexities to the operation. Train for them. Please post what lessons/takeaways you have on grain rescue. Hope this helps. The time to try new ideas is in training. Keep up the good work and thanks for doing what you do. I welcome feedback and hope to get some.
Nice training! Once the victim is harnessed and within the temporary walls, could it be possible to use a pipe with compressed air to locally fluidize the corn near the victim members?
@@josemuniz9750 it would fluidize the grain possibly causing him to sink like a rock if he is not supported by a line from above. Those plastic trays could be fluidized with him and go down together if you used a large air source and if done incorrectly.
@@PaulOostindie ok. Explain the potentially harmful fumes. And in the scenario the commenter specified that the person in trouble is already harnessed... so he is supported
@@josemuniz9750 yes the harmful fumes didn't make sense. If the grain is rotten then you shouldn't be storing it but disposing of it. If you have ever hung from even a comfortable harness it doesn't take too many minutes to cut off circulation in your legs. That is why the straps on all three people were loose. It would take considerably more force than your body weight to be pulled free so the straps just prevent you from sinking deeper. Fluidizing a pile of grain doesn't always work well because the air can just blow thru a single channel often following the body or it can spread out wildly and cause the whole area to turn to something like quicksand. But you would need an air lance that is at least 10 ft long to get it well below the person . The other small risk is that the air can blow out a lot of dust if the grain was dirty that can possibly lead to tiny risk of a dust explosion and needing to wear a dust mask at a minimum.
Just watching this gives me anxiety attack. I heard somewhere in another vid on YT that it takes a man around 90 seconds to die in a silo. Absolutely horrendous way to die.
Why anyone dies in grain bins, I do not know. The dangers are so well-known. I get that there are time pressures, to get the grain sorted out - but it's not worth lives. Even when hurrying, there is no excuse for not using safety precautions (secure harnesses, applying secure surfaces to the grain to stop sinking, etc.) I guess people can begin to feel invincible, the more they walk the grain without problems. But it's seriously not worth it. Even the most experienced farmers have ended up dead in the grain. You're playing with fire when u believe it can't possibly happen to u.
I'm wondering if can we install a microphone and system where if you shout a word like "call" it will contact the fire dept (or others) through a radio or a cell phone? Another idea is to install a voice activated trap door, letting the grain out. To help people who were caught by the augers, why can't we have a wristband with a button that stops the augers from moving, it seems like a simple device to make. If not a wristband, we could install the button on a commonly used tool. We could even make it voice activated too. So if someone yells "help"/"stop" the auger will turn off. Would any devices like these be useful? Or is the issue mostly that people suffocating from the pressures of the grain and help cannot arrive fast enough? As a engineering student from a city, (who knows nothing about farms and is learning how to build devices like these) I feel like there has to be some better tools/systems/devices that farmers can use to help mitigate accidents
Technology can help increase safety, but many grain/auger related accidents are due to lack of training, carelessness, and improper storage of grain. If grain is stored with too high of a moisture content, in can spoil and begin to cake/crust. A person can stand on a "bridge" of spoiled grain and then break through, break pieces apart so they feed into an auger, etc. If the grain is dried properly, you only need to go into the bin during final cleanout, which uses a sweep auger but if you follow safe practices the danger is minimal. Then you have people like me that know all the safety procedures and still leave the corn head running while unplugging it. Very dangerous, one slip or you don't let go of the stalk in time and your arm gets taken into the stalk rolls and its game over. I have a mechanically (gears and shafts vs. hydraulic motors) driven grinder mixer and there is unguarded bevel gears on the unload auger. I'll go right over a shielded PTO but exposed chains/belts/gears make me cautious. I still oil chains with them running, though.
Peço licença para usar o Vídeo à titulo de orientação pois aqui no Brasil existem muitos acidentes desta natureza! O que precisar da gente também, disponham-se!
I've been in the grain industry for 30 years building, working on bins. The training is great but 98% of people who get sucked down u can't get to bc there completely under so this training is ok for someone who is barely covered. Sad to say but within minutes this becomes a recovery not a rescue
Terrifying, takes so long to get him out. I would add more handle bars on the inside for him to grab, looks like he only has the one ladder. Maybe make the ladder go all the way around. Take care farmers, you guys are heroes we need you.
Just wondering if a electric hoist with cables and harness would work to keep people safe. Attach it at the top center of bin and lower people down to product and would be able to pull them out easier. This way they will always be hooked to the harness and if a cave in happens, they can be pulled out quickly, needs to be a buddy system. One operating the hoist/wrench while other is on top of product working.
Grain creates crazy friction. There was one case where they used a tractor to try to pull a person out and they got an injured spine and dislocated shoulders. It's like unearthing a plant by pulling it by the stem, you can't simply yank a person out of entrapment without risking injury
Good training! Keep it up. Comments to follow are meant to be constructive not negative.
Never use a self retracting lifeline or shock absorbing lanyard for bin rescue as in this video. An SRL will slowly pay out if the grain begins to flow and go down with the victim. Depending on how far the victim is entrapped, shock absorbing lanyard can deploy to its full length like the SRL. The tie off needs to be snug and taught so that the victim can self assist with the lifeline as the grain level begins to drop. Hope this makes sense. Training the wrong way can be as bad as not training at all. Not throwing rocks here, just don't want to reinforce bad procedures.
You will find that it is much easier to assemble all the panels resting on the surface BEFORE shoving them down into the grain. This allows proper pre alignment and adjustment while all parts are free to move. Once all panels are in position, then you can start driving them. Make sure to ask the victim where he/she thinks their legs are oriented. Don't want to drive a panel into a knee.
When using the slide hammer, have a rescuer stand on or at least add downward pressure on the outside rungs to greatly speed the driving process.
Grain augers and vacs (even a shop vac) can greatly speed the grain removal process and are worth the investment. When using the auger, make sure the drill operator is careful not to cover the cooling vents on the drill. They can fail or go into thermal shutdown for several minutes that you may not have. Make sure you keep an eye on the grain level in the tube. If it's not going down, you need to drive your panels deeper. All of these things can go simultaneously too. Train for it.
I don't know it all, but have practiced this many times and assisted others in many iterations of this drill. My opinions are based on my experience and aren't "the only way to do it". Keep training and encourage input and after action reviews and do it again to see what works best. Train in different bin locations and different grains. Center, wall, mid way, etc. Each add their own complexities to the operation. Train for them. Please post what lessons/takeaways you have on grain rescue. Hope this helps. The time to try new ideas is in training. Keep up the good work and thanks for doing what you do. I welcome feedback and hope to get some.
Best thing you can do is drive your tractor into the bottom of the silo
Nice training! Once the victim is harnessed and within the temporary walls, could it be possible to use a pipe with compressed air to locally fluidize the corn near the victim members?
Doubt it. Not only it would probably worsen the entrapment, it would also fan around potentially harmful fumes present in silos from rotting grain
@@ricksaburai you obviously don't know what your talking about
@@josemuniz9750 it would fluidize the grain possibly causing him to sink like a rock if he is not supported by a line from above. Those plastic trays could be fluidized with him and go down together if you used a large air source and if done incorrectly.
@@PaulOostindie ok. Explain the potentially harmful fumes. And in the scenario the commenter specified that the person in trouble is already harnessed... so he is supported
@@josemuniz9750 yes the harmful fumes didn't make sense. If the grain is rotten then you shouldn't be storing it but disposing of it. If you have ever hung from even a comfortable harness it doesn't take too many minutes to cut off circulation in your legs. That is why the straps on all three people were loose. It would take considerably more force than your body weight to be pulled free so the straps just prevent you from sinking deeper. Fluidizing a pile of grain doesn't always work well because the air can just blow thru a single channel often following the body or it can spread out wildly and cause the whole area to turn to something like quicksand. But you would need an air lance that is at least 10 ft long to get it well below the person . The other small risk is that the air can blow out a lot of dust if the grain was dirty that can possibly lead to tiny risk of a dust explosion and needing to wear a dust mask at a minimum.
Just watching this gives me anxiety attack. I heard somewhere in another vid on YT that it takes a man around 90 seconds to die in a silo. Absolutely horrendous way to die.
Why anyone dies in grain bins, I do not know. The dangers are so well-known. I get that there are time pressures, to get the grain sorted out - but it's not worth lives.
Even when hurrying, there is no excuse for not using safety precautions (secure harnesses, applying secure surfaces to the grain to stop sinking, etc.)
I guess people can begin to feel invincible, the more they walk the grain without problems. But it's seriously not worth it. Even the most experienced farmers have ended up dead in the grain. You're playing with fire when u believe it can't possibly happen to u.
Peter K. My buddy just died a couple months ago he got caught up in the auger while in the silo
I'm wondering if can we install a microphone and system where if you shout a word like "call" it will contact the fire dept (or others) through a radio or a cell phone? Another idea is to install a voice activated trap door, letting the grain out.
To help people who were caught by the augers, why can't we have a wristband with a button that stops the augers from moving, it seems like a simple device to make. If not a wristband, we could install the button on a commonly used tool. We could even make it voice activated too. So if someone yells "help"/"stop" the auger will turn off.
Would any devices like these be useful? Or is the issue mostly that people suffocating from the pressures of the grain and help cannot arrive fast enough?
As a engineering student from a city, (who knows nothing about farms and is learning how to build devices like these) I feel like there has to be some better tools/systems/devices that farmers can use to help mitigate accidents
Technology can help increase safety, but many grain/auger related accidents are due to lack of training, carelessness, and improper storage of grain. If grain is stored with too high of a moisture content, in can spoil and begin to cake/crust. A person can stand on a "bridge" of spoiled grain and then break through, break pieces apart so they feed into an auger, etc. If the grain is dried properly, you only need to go into the bin during final cleanout, which uses a sweep auger but if you follow safe practices the danger is minimal. Then you have people like me that know all the safety procedures and still leave the corn head running while unplugging it. Very dangerous, one slip or you don't let go of the stalk in time and your arm gets taken into the stalk rolls and its game over. I have a mechanically (gears and shafts vs. hydraulic motors) driven grinder mixer and there is unguarded bevel gears on the unload auger. I'll go right over a shielded PTO but exposed chains/belts/gears make me cautious. I still oil chains with them running, though.
Uma sugestão :
Abri buracos do lado de fora .
Pois à vida vale muito mais do que qualquer coisa . Vida em primeiro lugar , seja de HUMANOS ANIMAIS ...
Automatically inflating buoyancy belts?
Amazing rescue training!!!
Stuff of my nightmares.
Peço licença para usar o Vídeo à titulo de orientação pois aqui no Brasil existem muitos acidentes desta natureza! O que precisar da gente também, disponham-se!
I've been in the grain industry for 30 years building, working on bins. The training is great but 98% of people who get sucked down u can't get to bc there completely under so this training is ok for someone who is barely covered. Sad to say but within minutes this becomes a recovery not a rescue
It's like clam digging.
Maybe a silly question....but why not some kind of suction to 'vacuum' out the grain around the person trapped?
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Terrifying, takes so long to get him out. I would add more handle bars on the inside for him to grab, looks like he only has the one ladder. Maybe make the ladder go all the way around.
Take care farmers, you guys are heroes we need you.
Recommend.....
Just wondering if a electric hoist with cables and harness would work to keep people safe. Attach it at the top center of bin and lower people down to product and would be able to pull them out easier. This way they will always be hooked to the harness and if a cave in happens, they can be pulled out quickly, needs to be a buddy system. One operating the hoist/wrench while other is on top of product working.
I think you'd dislocate all kinds of joints
You might break there back... Killing them.
Grain creates crazy friction. There was one case where they used a tractor to try to pull a person out and they got an injured spine and dislocated shoulders. It's like unearthing a plant by pulling it by the stem, you can't simply yank a person out of entrapment without risking injury