I passed up a CS80 many years ago for £750 in the early 90's............that was a hell of a mistake! I'd still love a Synclavier II for the raw sound and user interface and also a DK Synergy but finding working models, money and space are an issue. All said and done, I have everything I need (JP6, Arp 2600, Fender Rhodes, Fairlight IIx and Series III and an Eminent 310u among others). Its the results that count, not the gear so if your setup works for you, that's the important thing.
When I was young and first got into synths (around 2012), the Rhodes Chroma Polaris was something I really wanted to achieve and obtain one day. Not so much anymore.
I'm just happy that with their CS-80 V4, Arturia finally gave us something that is close enough to the real thing that I can play it from my Hydrasynth Deluxe (with poly-aftertouch and the ribbon) and be pleased with the result.
Tielo, that’s a good POV, I think it’s so hard when it comes to the VSTi emulations. My personal feeling is that the sound is there, but the experience isn’t, so it’s cool that you chimes in with how you use it with the Hydrasynth
@@gautrstafr do you have a Cs80 ? Deckard dream sounds nothing like the real thing ... (it's possible to replicate famous Cs sounds it, as it is possible with most versatile polysynths) With a similar architecture, it's even easier, but it does not make a clone
@@noiretblancvie-afterhours true, sound is there (the V4 update has been modeled after my Cs80) Sincerely, I always managed to recreate any sounds from the original on the V4 Using an hydrasynth as master keyboard makes the experience more pleasant, but, as you point, does not replace the experience to play the real thing The keyboard action, the controllers, even the appearance, contribute (in my opinion) to the experience of playing such an instrument
No questions about your list however, as someone who is very curious about the TI2 Id love to hear more about it ( a video?) and particularly how it distinguishes itself from the gamut of synths available in 2022. Beyond the fact that its a classic in its own right and has a place in a synth collection.
Roland System-8 nails the JP-8 sound, IMHO, - plus it's 10x cheaper, and more importantly, at my age, 10x lighter. - I had daily access to a JP-8 for well over a decade, and still own a JP-6 and Super Jupiter (early version), - personally I find the JP-6 a much more versatile synthesizer, compered to the 8. The sounds on the 6 may lack the girth of the 8, but for that same reason it doesn't always dominate the mix the way an 8 does.
The TAL J8 more than scratches my Jupiter 8 itch, sounds stunningly warm, fat and musical. The developer owns a Jupiter 8 and has painstakingly matched the VST to his Jupiter with awesome results!
@@noiretblancvie-afterhours well I have the Arturia CS-80 virtual plug in and it is good too. I use VSTis to mimic instruments I could/would never be able to buy. Having said that, a digital VST never sounds like analogue synths from decades ago. Regardless of the skills of the programmers, it can’t be matched. And having said that, once the synth sound is buried in the mix of the piece, these differences seem to disappear. Love the TAL stuff too. Just wished they would upgrade or complete the TAL-sampler manual. Sorry, getting off topic.
I happened to have an inheritance last year, and a Roland JP8 showed up reasonably locally, at an only slightly ridiculous price, so I convinced myself to snag it. However, part of my brain was justifying the purchase because it would only go up in price. It sits proudly as a feature in my studio. Is it still the most beautiful synth I've ever seen and laid my hands on? Yes. Does it have the wonderfully analog oscillator and filter sound? Yes. Have I used it extensively on every song I've done in the last year? No. As a matter of fact, I've reached for my Korg DW8000 far more often to produce classic sounds I love than the Jupiter 8. And with the announcement of the Oberheim OB-X8, I've decided to sell the Jupiter 8 and get an OB-X8 and a few other choice goodies and pocket the change. Will I miss it? Yes. But more because of what it represents than what it can do for me. I think a Polybrute is a better musical investment. Top 5 synths I will never own: - Korg M1 - I never dug the sound - Yamaha CS80 - all the same reasons, but I did have a Deckard's Dream and sold it in favour of the Hydrasynth - Any Older Moog - The Grandmother, Matriarch or Sub 37 would give me all the Moog goodness I desire. - Korg MS20 - The sounds never really did it for me - Yamaha DX1 - I would love one as much as I wanted the JP8. But price and inconvenience will prevent me. Perhaps I'll replace my DX7 with a DX5. Lastly, I have a PolyEvolver and PE Rack. I recommend you keep your eyes out and grab yourself one. Such a cool beast of a synth.
The M1 was a very important workhorse of diverse sounds back in the day, I bought one in 1990 and got a lot of use out of it in the 90`s ................ I kept it for 20+ years because the keybed was really good ....... but yeah I have zero interest in it`s all digital sounds now and lack of on hand controls
I appreciate your healthy dose of rationalism and the vintage market is crazy. There is no right or wrong here. However, if I may provide an alternative observation. I am a lucky owner of a vintage Jupiter 8 and a vintage Model D - I gotta say there is irreplaceable magic in both of these units. To my ears, the Model D is still the greatest synth ever made. Its filter and phatness are unlike anything else. Moog described it as: "Being able to hear the electrons pass through the circuits" and that is exactly what it sounds like. It is alive in a way that is hard to put in words. But just like a Stradavarius - it all comes down to who uses it and how skilled they are. Another decadent aspect to consider is that these units each form a unique character over time. I ultra-deep-sampled two different Juno 60s and their oscillators and filters each sound pretty different. (Cheers, Troels).
I don't have a craving for old synths. However, I'm close to not getting a Prophet 08 REV2 (ever), because of it's price increases (It was a bit too expensive for me before the increase), and it may also be discontinued soon. Other ones I want, but would never buy include: - Arturia PolyBrute - Moog Matriarch - All those Roland flagships that need "the cloud thing" to work - Access Virus Ti2 (I dreamt of this synth 10 or so years ago .. and I still want it)
Why not buy the access Virus Ti2? It's pretty affordable, going for $1200 used, and every used one I've seen was pretty much in mint condition. They're still being produced, too.
That's a great list! Here are my thoughts: grab a Yamaha CS-50 or CS-60 before the prices go too crazy. Having played them all (and owning a 50), they all have the same tone and the "lesser" versions will get you 80% of the CS-80's experience, trust me! It's still my favourite synth after many years. Also, the Jupiter-4 is absolutely amazing and goes for so much less than the Jupiter-8. That thing sounds "alive" - hard to put into words especially for a french guy like me! Act quick before it's too late!!
Dave said in an interview they have a new synth coming out in august / september. It could be something in the mold of a Prophet VS 😄. Personally I think its gonna be a digital synth vibe
@@NoirEtBlancVie Yeah man! Hes a real legend, seems such a nice guy from what Ive seen in interviews. He mentions it near the end in this vid btw th-cam.com/video/qYGhzRrQHmY/w-d-xo.html
Are you sure he wasn’t talking about the ob-x8? (since they teamed up with Oberheim) I would be surprised if Sequential released anything anytime soon with sudden passing of Dave..
@@NoirEtBlancVie The X,man....try it out...I never played any of the old ones...I can't compare...Get the Roland cloud too.The vocoder On it alone blew me away and I don't care for them...there is a guy on TH-cam ....Check him out th-cam.com/video/PYsqxcX0boM/w-d-xo.html
Arturia softsynths could help salve the wounds of some of these missing synths in our lives. They need to emulate some classic Waldorf synths. The new CS80V does sound pretty sweet. You do need a good controller, for you, that has the feel you want for these things tho. I’ve settled on Lumatone for their awesome feeling poly aftertouch as well as the 280 keys. It’s expensive, but well constructed!
Great channel. Yes of couse the Minimoog. I had one in the 80s, but sold it 😞 And with that pricetag no, but i will probably get a Behringer model instead. And the rest of the keyboards i have in my computer.
When you said you were going to show a picture of why you’d never buy a CS-80, I thought it was going to be an interior shot, but the one you chose was also, uh… quite compelling.
Mate I would love to see a video dedicated to your thoughts on the Virus TI. It’s sooo much more than a techno/trance synth, yet so many people dismiss it as such.
Apart from the CS-80, I wouldn't ever buy any of the most commonly recorded Roland synths. That would be the 101, 303, Junos (except Alpha). Just because they are heard to death, very limited, and extremely overpriced, with build quality issues, and good clones and VSTs, and alternatives are available. There's a lot to like in the JX-3P over the Juno, for the price. I'd quite like a Jupiter 6 though. In reality, I'd probably not buy an expensive vintage synth again. I'd buy a Deckard's Dream, Baloran The River, Groove Synthesis Third Wave, Polybrute, Quantum/Iridium Keyboard, Summit, UDO Super-6. Maybe you could quash your Prophet VS doubts by looking into SQ-80s. I've been using that a lot in the Arturia V collection, it stands up next to the VS, and they are relatively undervalued, second-hand.
O melhor vídeo desse ano! Seus argumentos são excelentes, parabéns! Além desses teclados citados (concordo com todos) eu acrescento todos da linha NORD, Yamaha Montage, Korg Kronos, Oasys e Nautilus e Roland Fanton. E as Clavinovas Yamaha também.
I love how Brazilians refuse to speak in English 👍🏻. I am an MMA fan: Brazilian fighters just speak their language and don't even respond to criticism about that. Saluti dall' Italia 🙋🏻♂️
Matrix 12. Aside from the money and the sheer size of it, there are the frequent service issues and rare parts inside. You pretty much need to buy a second one for parts. Best sounding synth ever, imho though
The Yamaha DX-1, Fairlight CMI Series- III , Sequential Circuits Prophet T8 and the E-mu Emulator III because of the price of all of them. R.I.P. Dave Smith.
My somewhat more affordable Number 1 has got to be the Formanta Polivoks. A huge, temperamental synth with one of the most infamously bad keyboards of all time shipping all the way from Russia... Just can't do it, but what a cool sounding synthesizer.
@@magusreaver Yes. It's reported that they're working directly with the original designer Vladimir Kuzmin. Truly a Behringer project to root for. Read the news and haven't tossed an original Polivoks in my Reverb cart since. Though the originals look so menacing, hopefully they keep the original aesthetic too.
I’m with you . The sound of that synth is so raw , brutal , and unique. Came so close many times to getting the M from Elka , but it’s one Osc limitation just stops me every time . Yes Vladimir has stated he is working on a new version with that other company and if he dose I’ll probably get it since he was brought on to oversee it ...If it ever sees the light of day , it it’s been some time so who knows . It’s such an underrated synth and fits in to that raw ,aggressive , and brash categories of synths that the MS20 , Wasp , OSCar , SH2, SEM and Odyssey all share a dark back alley with .
If someone wants an affordable taste of a CS80, you can always check out the Yamaha SK series. They have the same filter as the CS, but are 7-voice paraphonic. They come along with an additive synth section for organ simulation and a strings section, that is pulled off the poly synth section. Again, this is just a taste. I traded a used ms20mini for my SK20, and it came with a flight case that I can throw it in, or fit my rev2, tb-03 and tr8s in... So just some info for the shoppers haha EDIT FOR DISCLAIMER: I said 'an affordable TASTE' - Not substitute.
Consider this: I used to live by a friend's repair shop where many of the synths in this video and more came through the shop. I got to go hang out and play with them when they were being fixed. The Prophet VS is one of the only synths that completely blew me away. Once you hear one and start messing with it you will know why but the sound is unmatched in my opinion. I saw and played Jupiter 8, original minimoog, ppg wave 2.3, dx1, arp 2600 and axxe, severan prophets. Most i would say very good but not representative of their price tag. the Prophet VS after only maybe 10 minutes of playing is on my one day must have list. There was another prophet (not the 5) that was one of the classics I really loved too. I have had a lot of synths but pretty much stick to the original dx7 and an alpha juno as far as synths I regularly use.
Yamaha Cs80, Waldorf Wave, Mini Moog and Prophet VS. 4/5 of my favorite synths that I NEVER would or could buy is here. 😎 Currently considering saving up for either the Waldorf Microwave XTK (for that 90's grit and the looks alone) or the new 3rd wave by Groove Music (nails the PPG sound), or a Waldorf Iridium Keyboard (all those tasty features). I Already own a Q and absolutely love that, its the most perfect synth out of those that I currently own, but would love to have more wavetables. 👀
I'm still holding out hope Behringer will finish their CS-80 reissue. god, can you imagine how awesome that would be... Actually, would you ever get a Deckard's Dream? It's pretty crazy priced but isn't 100k or anything like that
I think the most iconic polyphonic analog synth might be the Prophet 5. Dave Smith (R.I.P.) has remade it or made other versions of it SO MANY times. If it's not the Prophet, then it's a toss up between that, the Jupiter 8 and the OB-XA.
Hey hey! Yeah, mainly, if I say things like I’d never buy something it sounds like I’m saying it’s bad. I want a Waldorf Wave more than life itself…..but I mean, Bitcoin is crashing, so I’m screwed 😅
I dig the virus. I wish I owned one. The prophet VS loooks like a really cool synth for sound design. That synth is 200ibs? Man that isnt gig friendly lol. I bet it sounds amazing though.
"...just as someone who personally can't imagine adding more and more synths over time." We've all been there. We've all sworn that this would really be the final one.
For anyone who doesn't already know, there's an old free vst called Arminator 2(named after Armin Kujashi) which is inspired by the cs-80. I like the sound, it has lots of features and there are tons of presets available online inspired by Vangelis, Jarre etc. I just wish the UI could be bigger.
Should grab a VS sooner than later. I imagine they will increase in value as time goes on. But like you said you have acquired a ton in the time. GAS. I'm in time out with a bad arm and no cash for GAS. They all win ;-) Fun vid!
My top 5 synths I want but wouldn't buy... are basically just the top 5 I don't have. Because I feel satisfied with what I have now -- a Force and a Pro 3. If I were to expand though... probably a Hydrasynth, Continuum (or maybe Osmose), Nonlinear Labs C15, Summit, and something with decent acoustic rompler sounds (Iridium Keys, Prophet X, Wavestate, even just the new MPC plugins). Or, depending on the definition of "synth", perhaps something like a Dirtywave M8.
The MKS80 and one of the Retroktive MPG 8X could get you more than what you could get out of a JP8 imho especially since the MKS80 had revision variants one with a Jupiter 6 style filter ( the best in my opinion) . The Retroaktive programmers are some genius bit of kit . The extra functionality they pack into them is well thought out and makes them much more than simple programmers . Well worth a look anyone using the MKS series of Roland synths . Cheers
The Prophet VS is one I would love to have, but they seem hard to find in good working condition for what I would consider to be a reasonable price. Synths I would love to have but wouldn't buy? Pretty much anything over $2000. The UDO Super 6 is the one that comes immediately to mind. I just can't bring myself to spend 2+ grand on a single synth architecture. If I were a millionaire though, my opinion would certainly change!
I think it’s mainly because I hear synth after synth released and in a practical musical terms no one does need them. Not against manufacturers making money, but it’s like how many pianos do you need, most people would say one…how come you need 25 synths on a desk unless you’re Dawless and I’d even say I don’t need more than 5….maybe lol
@@NoirEtBlancVie yeah exactly, maybe im this way bc ive lived in small city apartments for the last several years, but if i dont find myself actively using a piece of gear I just sell it. I havent had more than maybe 2 synths at a time pretty much ever. I have a small eurorack setup right now and nothing else and I'm happy as a clam. but of course to each their own. Maybe if i had the space and resources to own 25 i synths i would lol
Good list, I'm up there not justifying owning so much than just 5, but let me think of 5. I agree the Waldorf Quantum seems so much better than that wave or it seems better to me. 1) Cs80 for the lbs and price 2) Classic Oberheims, too pricey 3) Mono key board Moogs, I like polyphony 4) prophets, awesome but not feeling 100% 5) Jupiters, I'm good
For me it'd be . . . 1. Oberheim Eight Voice 2. Memorymoog 3. Korg Trident 4. E-mu Modular System 5. Elka Synthex I would definitely have to find a lot of room to put any of these in my office.
Best synth I saw at NAMM by far. It’s gonna be roughly $3000, that’s a steal when you think of how many voices it has, hybrid analog filters and vs the competition…Waldorf Quantum is $5000 basically. 3rd wave has 24 voices I believe
I learned synthesis on a Juno 60, and I love the series' sound deeply, but I'd never be able to justify the price to features, and the digital reproductions just don't feel right. Modal 002 is so interesting as an instrument, but they did Paula dirty and the price is insane. I'd love a Monomachine and Machinedrum, but not until they re-release them. If I can't buy them new as normal people prices, I'm not into it. My 5th choice is, honestly, Mutable Instruments' Plaits. It's the module everyone says to buy, there's 100 versions of various prices, but I finally got a Reason Rack of it and I really just don't get it. I keep thinking it'll make sense musically but it just can't make my heart sing like it seems to for everyone else. Weird list, but that's what springs to mind.
If I am winning the lottery, Im buying a big 5U moogesque system (might go for a real system 55 indeed). Wouldnt even have in the studio, just in middle of the living room as the most amazing piece of furniture and electronics ever made
Nice video (again) model D- had a voyager xl, just get a b ringer clone CS80- why isn't there something similar, even a mono version ? (yes the kit) That new Roland (cant remember the name) I was interested and then saw the price :wormOrangeGreen:
For me, it's gotta be a Buchla 200 system. If I'd gotten into synths instead of guitar and drums in school, I'd probably have had one by now. As it is, it feels like an impossible dream.
Well, I wouldn't buy ANY vintage synth - the on-going cost of upkeep is likely to be severe 😱 I also love the CS-80. There was a rumour that Yamaha might issue a revamp a few years ago. That seems like a business no-brainer but doesn't seem likely to happen 😢 Will have to wait for Behringer's DS-80 which I doubt will be as good as an enhanced Yamaha one. But at least it will be affordable. Meanwhile, there's Arturia's awesome CS80 V
I love the sound of the CS-80 but due to it's price I would never buy it. Software versions can give us the sound but for me I like hardware so I went for the very poor person's CS-80, the Yamaha SK30. It's basically a string synth from the late 70s that has a simple poly synth, an organ and a mono synth, as well as a string sound that's an additional poly synth all as different parts that can be blended together or split. The mono synth is basically a CS-5 with aftertouch instead of sample and hold. Of course it will never be a CS80 but if you like that type of sound and you don't want to shell out for a CS80 or 60 then it's a great alternative and not as heavy to lift (but still at least 50kg so it's never leaving my studio again). It's almost as rare though so if you find one grab it
1) CS-80 But I'm pretty sure the CS-80 is one most synth nerds list of want but would never actually buy. 2) Fairlight CMI while technically a sampler (I know I'm cheating here) it's still iconic and offers a lot with that extra crunch but the 10,000$+ they seem to go for is well above what I would willingly pay for something that has plenty of pretty good emulations out there. 3) Korg Kronos, while I've always had a soft spot for workstation class keyboards between the Nautilus and the price jump second hand Kronos have seen I'll just buy a Nautilus and deal with the feature cut back. (Actually going to be ordering a 61key Nautilus in the next month or two) 4) Moog modular of nearly any kind, while they sound nice and understandably have an important place in synth history, they go for well above what I'm willing to spend on a single piece even if I had infinite money to play with. 5) Of all things a DX7 but this is more down to the fact so many DX7 compatible plugins and even hardware out there even for as cheap as they can be had some times I see no point in shelling out for one this day and age even with the near rock bottom prices they can be had for this day an age. I'll also probably stay away from most mono synths as well as I found out I don't get along with mono keyboard synths very well the hard way when I bought a MS-20 Mini second hand a year or so ago and I hardly touched the thing and recently took it in to a local shop and ate a 200$ loss on what I payed for it. Plus I didn't like the tuning stability issues my MS-20 Mini seemed to have as I couldn't leave it hooked up 24/7 for space reasons plus with the issues with power stability we have in the area I live in that would also have been tempting fate. It took mine upwards of 30 minutes for the tuning to stabilize on it more than once after initial power on for some reason which just made it too much of a hassle to ever want to really use.
Hey hey! I guess it’s about time Moog RE-REissued a Model D, or Voyager, though…so many other things are in the lineup now, even westcoast synthesis apparently.
Yup, digital Jupiter until further notice. Love that Wave description. To be honest, I don't think obtaining any of these would be healthy for me, at the moment.
@@noiretblancvie-afterhours That is one thing I am super grateful to Roland for; the Fantom Model Expansions (JX-8P, SH-101, Juno-106, Jupiter-8, and the n/zyme). While it is not nearly enough, combined with digital synths from Roland Cloud, it is definitely a lot more affordable. That said, every time I launch the digital version, it makes me want a real one, even moreso...
I would change the Prophet VS with an actual original Hammond B3 organ (which is technically an addiitive synth). Plus since I have a Voyager, instead of the OG Minimoog I'd be more swayed to say a Haken Continuum which has the crazy Eagan Matrix synth
@@suitandtieguy Oh you meant practical in that sense, for me practical always makes me think of portability. But yeah, you´re right they do last forever! But unfortunately I don't live in the US: I've kept my eyes open for any that might come up in my local market but I only ever see Yamaha Electones
I own a Jupiter-8, love it, a keeper.m (so better than a Juno-106). I recently owned a 32-voices Waldorf Wave, hated it, sold it without any regret, I do prefer the Microwave I Rev.a sound. I also own a vintage Minimoog Model D, love it, unmatchable sound. Prophet Vs, so thin sounding, hate it. CS-80: out of my range, plus servicing those babies is incredibly complex.
I thought I‘d never get a Monomachine, but in the end I managed to buy one last week :) (Still feeling guilty about the pricetag, but less so after watching your video 😂)
1. Yamaha CS80 2. Yamaha DX1 3. Roland Jupiter 8 4. Oberheim OB-Xa 5. Korg OASYS They would all be amazingly cool to own, but I'll never be able to afford them, and unless I became absolutely stinking rich, I simply couldn't defend the cost of either of these.
Which state are you in? The synth prices used to be like housing prices, but not that you can sell online they’re just ridiculous everywhere, no local deals anymore
@@NoirEtBlancVie It was actually on eBay! I guess the French house scene was dying out at that point or something. I live in Ohio, so it’s not always easy to find good synths at the shops, but it is getting better. You can sometimes find crazy deals if you go to Guitar Center that you wouldn’t find online.
@@billypilgrim1 Agreed. $4000 is still expensive, but not nearly as expensive as a $100,000 (or more) original CS80 is. I said affordable for the Deckard's Dream because if you really want one and have a decent job (or work extra hours or a second job), you could save up the $4000 and buy one. I can't say the same for a six-figure 44-year-old original CS80 that can cost as much as a Rolls Royce on today's used market nor could I justify the current cost of a CS80 today.
1. MS-20. Like I want one, but at this point it would just be a huge pain to use with anything in my setup, and most of my synths are probebly clones of that whole thing anyway. 2. Anyhing by Moog. Overpriced and uninovative. 3. Yamaha. Just not feeling it, booring, cold expensive. 4. Liven 8bit. I have been looking at it since release, but there is just no way I can fork out a whopping 200$ for a synth this year, because both my distributors seems to have misplaced all my earnings to their personal accounts. 5. Microfreak. As an old phreaker, it have always apealed to me, but because they basically just snagged the Plates software, and then went on this smear campagn against Behringer for making the same MIDI keyboard as they did, even if the Crave who have all that stuff had been out for a year at that point. Not to mention that there are 100 broken Arturia synths for sale in my area, and the video showing how to replace a broken pot on those synths is 6 hours long, and ends up with the guy giving up instead of just dropping a new pot in there... Like maybe if they gave me one, but I feel my 2HP Pluck has that nice spirit and warm soul to it.
Deckard's Dream or upcoming DS-80 clone for me. $100k is beyond nuts, even if i was rich, which I'm not. I just think of how many other synths or what I could do with a home studio with $100k. If anyone is looking to giveaway a free CS-80 though, I'm open to that : p
DK Synergy II+ ...I've always wanted one, but I'd never buy one because to fully use it you need a Kaypro II CP/M computer to access the additive synthesis parameters. The service logistics for keeping an old Kaypro & Synergy in working order, not to mention the old and archaic method used for achieving additive synthesis, plus the high vintage prices, keeps me away from this digital additive dream synth I've always wanted.
Yeah, most of these are essentially unobtainium, really. The midi thing is real too. I am a very amateur synth enthusiast, but I love my Behringer D. It gives me what I want. Mine actually holds tune pretty solid. Especially after it's been on 10 or 15. A bit more if it's cold.
*Note to LANDR, I never listen to pitches. Not from LOOPOP, Dr Mix, JORB, not even HAINBACH but if NOIR says check something out... I'm influenced, I'll be over shortly.
Lol. Behringer sent me an email, asked me if I wanted any of their synths, I literally said “not right now, but let me know when the CS80 is on the way”…still waiting for their email back to me.
I have an even better argument. Besides these all being too expensive, and hard to maintain, there are new synths that are as good or better. Why buy an overpriced old synth that breaks when you can get a new synth with a warranty for less? Aside from one really old drum machine, all of my synths are less than 20 years old. Most are less than 3 years old!
I have all synths you mention in your video (except the prophet vs that I no longer have, but have access to if needed) Wave is a fantastic instrument and has sonically nothing in common with the Xtk (had both at a point) Wave is fragile and has many reasons to be unfixable if going wrong Cs80 too (especially considering all specific yamaha IG it uses) I don't care, they are instruments I love using, and I'll keep using them as long as possible...
there's an elephant in the room to this video: you can perfectly emulate 80% of those synths with any computer this day. arturia v collection has the jupiter 8, the cs80, the prophet vs, AND the minimoog. only one missing is the waldorf wave, that is a digital synth and you can probably do the same with any modern waldorf synth (hardware or software - it doesn't matter).
Very true, I’m a hands on player, so I love hardware over say even software and a non-dedicated controller, that said….75% of the music I make is ITB, so like you said, it doesn’t matter at all ☺️🙏🏾
I passed up a CS80 many years ago for £750 in the early 90's............that was a hell of a mistake! I'd still love a Synclavier II for the raw sound and user interface and also a DK Synergy but finding working models, money and space are an issue. All said and done, I have everything I need (JP6, Arp 2600, Fender Rhodes, Fairlight IIx and Series III and an Eminent 310u among others). Its the results that count, not the gear so if your setup works for you, that's the important thing.
When I was young and first got into synths (around 2012), the Rhodes Chroma Polaris was something I really wanted to achieve and obtain one day. Not so much anymore.
I'm just happy that with their CS-80 V4, Arturia finally gave us something that is close enough to the real thing that I can play it from my Hydrasynth Deluxe (with poly-aftertouch and the ribbon) and be pleased with the result.
It´s a good UI, but in my opinion it doesn't even come close to sounding anything as good. The Black Corporation clones are pretty good though!
Nice, that's my plan too!
Tielo, that’s a good POV, I think it’s so hard when it comes to the VSTi emulations. My personal feeling is that the sound is there, but the experience isn’t, so it’s cool that you chimes in with how you use it with the Hydrasynth
@@gautrstafr do you have a Cs80 ?
Deckard dream sounds nothing like the real thing ... (it's possible to replicate famous Cs sounds it, as it is possible with most versatile polysynths)
With a similar architecture, it's even easier, but it does not make a clone
@@noiretblancvie-afterhours true, sound is there (the V4 update has been modeled after my Cs80)
Sincerely, I always managed to recreate any sounds from the original on the V4
Using an hydrasynth as master keyboard makes the experience more pleasant, but, as you point, does not replace the experience to play the real thing
The keyboard action, the controllers, even the appearance, contribute (in my opinion) to the experience of playing such an instrument
No questions about your list however, as someone who is very curious about the TI2 Id love to hear more about it ( a video?) and particularly how it distinguishes itself from the gamut of synths available in 2022. Beyond the fact that its a classic in its own right and has a place in a synth collection.
Roland System-8 nails the JP-8 sound, IMHO, - plus it's 10x cheaper, and more importantly, at my age, 10x lighter.
- I had daily access to a JP-8 for well over a decade, and still own a JP-6 and Super Jupiter (early version), - personally I find the JP-6 a much more versatile synthesizer, compered to the 8. The sounds on the 6 may lack the girth of the 8, but for that same reason it doesn't always dominate the mix the way an 8 does.
The TAL J8 more than scratches my Jupiter 8 itch, sounds stunningly warm, fat and musical. The developer owns a Jupiter 8 and has painstakingly matched the VST to his Jupiter with awesome results!
Awesome! I love TAL, such good plugins from someone who enjoys music.
@@noiretblancvie-afterhours well I have the Arturia CS-80 virtual plug in and it is good too. I use VSTis to mimic instruments I could/would never be able to buy. Having said that, a digital VST never sounds like analogue synths from decades ago. Regardless of the skills of the programmers, it can’t be matched. And having said that, once the synth sound is buried in the mix of the piece, these differences seem to disappear. Love the TAL stuff too. Just wished they would upgrade or complete the TAL-sampler manual. Sorry, getting off topic.
I happened to have an inheritance last year, and a Roland JP8 showed up reasonably locally, at an only slightly ridiculous price, so I convinced myself to snag it. However, part of my brain was justifying the purchase because it would only go up in price. It sits proudly as a feature in my studio.
Is it still the most beautiful synth I've ever seen and laid my hands on? Yes.
Does it have the wonderfully analog oscillator and filter sound? Yes.
Have I used it extensively on every song I've done in the last year? No.
As a matter of fact, I've reached for my Korg DW8000 far more often to produce classic sounds I love than the Jupiter 8. And with the announcement of the Oberheim OB-X8, I've decided to sell the Jupiter 8 and get an OB-X8 and a few other choice goodies and pocket the change. Will I miss it? Yes. But more because of what it represents than what it can do for me. I think a Polybrute is a better musical investment.
Top 5 synths I will never own:
- Korg M1 - I never dug the sound
- Yamaha CS80 - all the same reasons, but I did have a Deckard's Dream and sold it in favour of the Hydrasynth
- Any Older Moog - The Grandmother, Matriarch or Sub 37 would give me all the Moog goodness I desire.
- Korg MS20 - The sounds never really did it for me
- Yamaha DX1 - I would love one as much as I wanted the JP8. But price and inconvenience will prevent me. Perhaps I'll replace my DX7 with a DX5.
Lastly, I have a PolyEvolver and PE Rack. I recommend you keep your eyes out and grab yourself one. Such a cool beast of a synth.
Shit I’d rather have a PolyEvolver than a J8 any day of the week! Your setup is insane
The M1 was a very important workhorse of diverse sounds back in the day, I bought one in 1990 and got a lot of use out of it in the 90`s ................ I kept it for 20+ years because the keybed was really good ....... but yeah I have zero interest in it`s all digital sounds now and lack of on hand controls
I appreciate your healthy dose of rationalism and the vintage market is crazy. There is no right or wrong here.
However, if I may provide an alternative observation. I am a lucky owner of a vintage Jupiter 8 and a vintage Model D - I gotta say there is irreplaceable magic in both of these units. To my ears, the Model D is still the greatest synth ever made. Its filter and phatness are unlike anything else.
Moog described it as: "Being able to hear the electrons pass through the circuits" and that is exactly what it sounds like. It is alive in a way that is hard to put in words. But just like a Stradavarius - it all comes down to who uses it and how skilled they are.
Another decadent aspect to consider is that these units each form a unique character over time. I ultra-deep-sampled two different Juno 60s and their oscillators and filters each sound pretty different. (Cheers, Troels).
Ulrich Schnauss (ex-Tangerine Dream and solo) had two Waldorf Waves - and from them, he made one fully functioning unit
I don't have a craving for old synths. However, I'm close to not getting a Prophet 08 REV2 (ever), because of it's price increases (It was a bit too expensive for me before the increase), and it may also be discontinued soon. Other ones I want, but would never buy include:
- Arturia PolyBrute
- Moog Matriarch
- All those Roland flagships that need "the cloud thing" to work
- Access Virus Ti2 (I dreamt of this synth 10 or so years ago .. and I still want it)
Why not buy the access Virus Ti2? It's pretty affordable, going for $1200 used, and every used one I've seen was pretty much in mint condition. They're still being produced, too.
Man, even the CS-80 clone (Deckard's dream) is quite expensive.
Seriously, $4000, like gtfo with that kinda price. Sheesh
@@NoirEtBlancVie And for a module! I get they're boutique synths made by a small team but that's insane.
Glad I found your channel. Your videos are great and your voice is great.
I agree with every entry on this list. Get it , sample it, and go lol .
That's a great list! Here are my thoughts: grab a Yamaha CS-50 or CS-60 before the prices go too crazy. Having played them all (and owning a 50), they all have the same tone and the "lesser" versions will get you 80% of the CS-80's experience, trust me! It's still my favourite synth after many years. Also, the Jupiter-4 is absolutely amazing and goes for so much less than the Jupiter-8. That thing sounds "alive" - hard to put into words especially for a french guy like me! Act quick before it's too late!!
Noooooooo 😭 I think there’s a huge market for the CS’s, I just need more cash 🙁
Dave said in an interview they have a new synth coming out in august / september. It could be something in the mold of a Prophet VS 😄. Personally I think its gonna be a digital synth vibe
No way!!!!! Omg, I can’t wait. RIP Dave man, damn
@@NoirEtBlancVie Yeah man! Hes a real legend, seems such a nice guy from what Ive seen in interviews. He mentions it near the end in this vid btw th-cam.com/video/qYGhzRrQHmY/w-d-xo.html
Are you sure he wasn’t talking about the ob-x8? (since they teamed up with Oberheim) I would be surprised if Sequential released anything anytime soon with sudden passing of Dave..
Get the Roland Jupiter x and/or xm....LOVE BOTH OF MINE!
I’d rather get my Juno 106 back, but meh, old synths are just old to me at this point 🤷🏾♂️
@@NoirEtBlancVie The X,man....try it out...I never played any of the old ones...I can't compare...Get the Roland cloud too.The vocoder On it alone blew me away and I don't care for them...there is a guy on TH-cam ....Check him out
th-cam.com/video/PYsqxcX0boM/w-d-xo.html
Arturia softsynths could help salve the wounds of some of these missing synths in our lives. They need to emulate some classic Waldorf synths. The new CS80V does sound pretty sweet.
You do need a good controller, for you, that has the feel you want for these things tho. I’ve settled on Lumatone for their awesome feeling poly aftertouch as well as the 280 keys. It’s expensive, but well constructed!
Great channel. Yes of couse the Minimoog. I had one in the 80s, but sold it 😞
And with that pricetag no, but i will probably get a Behringer model instead.
And the rest of the keyboards i have in my computer.
When you said you were going to show a picture of why you’d never buy a CS-80, I thought it was going to be an interior shot, but the one you chose was also, uh… quite compelling.
Lol. I actually think I’ll buy a CS80 using affirm. By the time I pay it off it will be 1,000,000 because of the interest 😂
@@NoirEtBlancVie 💯
Mate I would love to see a video dedicated to your thoughts on the Virus TI. It’s sooo much more than a techno/trance synth, yet so many people dismiss it as such.
I’m preparing that video. Long story short. Virus Ti is the greatest digital synth ever made and it’s not even close.
Would love to see that! The “great synth mysteries” episode was great.
@@NoirEtBlancVie ok you answered my question posted above lol. looking forward to the video.
Apart from the CS-80, I wouldn't ever buy any of the most commonly recorded Roland synths. That would be the 101, 303, Junos (except Alpha). Just because they are heard to death, very limited, and extremely overpriced, with build quality issues, and good clones and VSTs, and alternatives are available. There's a lot to like in the JX-3P over the Juno, for the price. I'd quite like a Jupiter 6 though. In reality, I'd probably not buy an expensive vintage synth again. I'd buy a Deckard's Dream, Baloran The River, Groove Synthesis Third Wave, Polybrute, Quantum/Iridium Keyboard, Summit, UDO Super-6. Maybe you could quash your Prophet VS doubts by looking into SQ-80s. I've been using that a lot in the Arturia V collection, it stands up next to the VS, and they are relatively undervalued, second-hand.
O melhor vídeo desse ano! Seus argumentos são excelentes, parabéns!
Além desses teclados citados (concordo com todos) eu acrescento todos da linha NORD, Yamaha Montage, Korg Kronos, Oasys e Nautilus e Roland Fanton. E as Clavinovas Yamaha também.
I love how Brazilians refuse to speak in English 👍🏻. I am an MMA fan: Brazilian fighters just speak their language and don't even respond to criticism about that.
Saluti dall' Italia 🙋🏻♂️
@@Nome_utente_generico grazie!!!
Any chance you would do an overview/review of the virus?
Coming soon, I just gotta get a good script written! Soon though.
Matrix 12. Aside from the money and the sheer size of it, there are the frequent service issues and rare parts inside. You pretty much need to buy a second one for parts. Best sounding synth ever, imho though
The Yamaha DX-1, Fairlight CMI Series- III , Sequential Circuits Prophet T8 and the E-mu Emulator III because of the price of all of them. R.I.P. Dave Smith.
My somewhat more affordable Number 1 has got to be the Formanta Polivoks. A huge, temperamental synth with one of the most infamously bad keyboards of all time shipping all the way from Russia... Just can't do it, but what a cool sounding synthesizer.
Isn't Behringer making one of those?
@@magusreaver Yes. It's reported that they're working directly with the original designer Vladimir Kuzmin. Truly a Behringer project to root for. Read the news and haven't tossed an original Polivoks in my Reverb cart since. Though the originals look so menacing, hopefully they keep the original aesthetic too.
I’m with you . The sound of that synth is so raw , brutal , and unique. Came so close many times to getting the M from Elka , but it’s one Osc limitation just stops me every time . Yes Vladimir has stated he is working on a new version with that other company and if he dose I’ll probably get it since he was brought on to oversee it ...If it ever sees the light of day , it it’s been some time so who knows .
It’s such an underrated synth and fits in to that raw ,aggressive , and brash categories of synths that the MS20 , Wasp , OSCar , SH2, SEM and Odyssey all share a dark back alley with .
If someone wants an affordable taste of a CS80, you can always check out the Yamaha SK series. They have the same filter as the CS, but are 7-voice paraphonic. They come along with an additive synth section for organ simulation and a strings section, that is pulled off the poly synth section. Again, this is just a taste. I traded a used ms20mini for my SK20, and it came with a flight case that I can throw it in, or fit my rev2, tb-03 and tr8s in... So just some info for the shoppers haha EDIT FOR DISCLAIMER: I said 'an affordable TASTE' - Not substitute.
Consider this: I used to live by a friend's repair shop where many of the synths in this video and more came through the shop. I got to go hang out and play with them when they were being fixed. The Prophet VS is one of the only synths that completely blew me away. Once you hear one and start messing with it you will know why but the sound is unmatched in my opinion. I saw and played Jupiter 8, original minimoog, ppg wave 2.3, dx1, arp 2600 and axxe, severan prophets. Most i would say very good but not representative of their price tag. the Prophet VS after only maybe 10 minutes of playing is on my one day must have list. There was another prophet (not the 5) that was one of the classics I really loved too. I have had a lot of synths but pretty much stick to the original dx7 and an alpha juno as far as synths I regularly use.
Yamaha Cs80, Waldorf Wave, Mini Moog and Prophet VS. 4/5 of my favorite synths that I NEVER would or could buy is here. 😎 Currently considering saving up for either the Waldorf Microwave XTK (for that 90's grit and the looks alone) or the new 3rd wave by Groove Music (nails the PPG sound), or a Waldorf Iridium Keyboard (all those tasty features). I Already own a Q and absolutely love that, its the most perfect synth out of those that I currently own, but would love to have more wavetables. 👀
You said it right - Q is a perfect synth !
I'm still holding out hope Behringer will finish their CS-80 reissue. god, can you imagine how awesome that would be... Actually, would you ever get a Deckard's Dream? It's pretty crazy priced but isn't 100k or anything like that
I think the most iconic polyphonic analog synth might be the Prophet 5. Dave Smith (R.I.P.) has remade it or made other versions of it SO MANY times. If it's not the Prophet, then it's a toss up between that, the Jupiter 8 and the OB-XA.
Great vid, love the "want but would never buy" idea, as opposed to just "would never buy."
Hey hey! Yeah, mainly, if I say things like I’d never buy something it sounds like I’m saying it’s bad. I want a Waldorf Wave more than life itself…..but I mean, Bitcoin is crashing, so I’m screwed 😅
@@NoirEtBlancVie Perfect time to start your own Synthcoin.
I dig the virus. I wish I owned one. The prophet VS loooks like a really cool synth for sound design. That synth is 200ibs? Man that isnt gig friendly lol. I bet it sounds amazing though.
"...just as someone who personally can't imagine adding more and more synths over time."
We've all been there. We've all sworn that this would really be the final one.
I have the behringer poly d,I had the moog years ago. I am overly happy with the poly d
I’d say a Poly D is a very good choice, a 50 year old synth isn’t for me and I quite liked my Beh Model D
For anyone who doesn't already know, there's an old free vst called Arminator 2(named after Armin Kujashi) which is inspired by the cs-80. I like the sound, it has lots of features and there are tons of presets available online inspired by Vangelis, Jarre etc.
I just wish the UI could be bigger.
Had a Waldorf Blofeld. Never loved the sounds. Went with Moog Subsequent 37 and Yamaha MODX6 to cover all my synth needs.
Should grab a VS sooner than later. I imagine they will increase in value as time goes on. But like you said you have acquired a ton in the time. GAS. I'm in time out with a bad arm and no cash for GAS. They all win ;-) Fun vid!
My top 5 synths I want but wouldn't buy... are basically just the top 5 I don't have. Because I feel satisfied with what I have now -- a Force and a Pro 3. If I were to expand though... probably a Hydrasynth, Continuum (or maybe Osmose), Nonlinear Labs C15, Summit, and something with decent acoustic rompler sounds (Iridium Keys, Prophet X, Wavestate, even just the new MPC plugins). Or, depending on the definition of "synth", perhaps something like a Dirtywave M8.
The Minimoog is probably one of the safest vintage synths. Everything in it is a readily available electronics part.
The Wave.....whoooo! I feel you.
The MKS80 and one of the Retroktive MPG 8X could get you more than what you could get out of a JP8 imho especially since the MKS80 had revision variants one with a Jupiter 6 style filter ( the best in my opinion) . The Retroaktive programmers are some genius bit of kit . The extra functionality they pack into them is well thought out and makes them much more than simple programmers . Well worth a look anyone using the MKS series of Roland synths . Cheers
The Minimoog is so iconic. I wish I had bought the reissue for 2200 instead of the Pro-2 for 1800.
I can totally agree, I’d love a reissue these days.
Watched to see how many I have owned. 2 ... jp8 and original minimoog.
Do you want a One?
Hey!!!!! I would love a One, but could you imagine me going back down that road. 💰 I think I’d love a digital more then an analog these days.
The Prophet VS is one I would love to have, but they seem hard to find in good working condition for what I would consider to be a reasonable price.
Synths I would love to have but wouldn't buy? Pretty much anything over $2000. The UDO Super 6 is the one that comes immediately to mind. I just can't bring myself to spend 2+ grand on a single synth architecture. If I were a millionaire though, my opinion would certainly change!
i really like that you make a lot of videos that are just kinda like "hey you dont need this lmao"
I think it’s mainly because I hear synth after synth released and in a practical musical terms no one does need them. Not against manufacturers making money, but it’s like how many pianos do you need, most people would say one…how come you need 25 synths on a desk unless you’re Dawless and I’d even say I don’t need more than 5….maybe lol
@@NoirEtBlancVie yeah exactly, maybe im this way bc ive lived in small city apartments for the last several years, but if i dont find myself actively using a piece of gear I just sell it. I havent had more than maybe 2 synths at a time pretty much ever. I have a small eurorack setup right now and nothing else and I'm happy as a clam. but of course to each their own. Maybe if i had the space and resources to own 25 i synths i would lol
Good list, I'm up there not justifying owning so much than just 5, but let me think of 5. I agree the Waldorf Quantum seems so much better than that wave or it seems better to me.
1) Cs80 for the lbs and price
2) Classic Oberheims, too pricey
3) Mono key board Moogs, I like polyphony
4) prophets, awesome but not feeling 100%
5) Jupiters, I'm good
i’ll let you play my og model d. i play it often but i don’t gig so it’s extra safe
For me it'd be . . .
1. Oberheim Eight Voice
2. Memorymoog
3. Korg Trident
4. E-mu Modular System
5. Elka Synthex
I would definitely have to find a lot of room to put any of these in my office.
Interesting, Korg Trident, totally wouldn’t expect that!
Thoughts on the Groove Synthesis 3rd Wave?
Best synth I saw at NAMM by far. It’s gonna be roughly $3000, that’s a steal when you think of how many voices it has, hybrid analog filters and vs the competition…Waldorf Quantum is $5000 basically. 3rd wave has 24 voices I believe
Great video! You will get that 💰🙌🏾 to buy whatever you want- but till then 😂 at the end! So funny!
Oh my gooood meme is undefeated lol
@@NoirEtBlancVie 🤣🙌🏾
I learned synthesis on a Juno 60, and I love the series' sound deeply, but I'd never be able to justify the price to features, and the digital reproductions just don't feel right. Modal 002 is so interesting as an instrument, but they did Paula dirty and the price is insane. I'd love a Monomachine and Machinedrum, but not until they re-release them. If I can't buy them new as normal people prices, I'm not into it. My 5th choice is, honestly, Mutable Instruments' Plaits. It's the module everyone says to buy, there's 100 versions of various prices, but I finally got a Reason Rack of it and I really just don't get it. I keep thinking it'll make sense musically but it just can't make my heart sing like it seems to for everyone else. Weird list, but that's what springs to mind.
EMS Synthi AKS, Macbeth Elements, Oberheim OB-xA, PPG Wave, CS-80
If I am winning the lottery, Im buying a big 5U moogesque system (might go for a real system 55 indeed). Wouldnt even have in the studio, just in middle of the living room as the most amazing piece of furniture and electronics ever made
Will you get the Behringer PRO-VS?
I’d get one only to see how the quality was. I like Behringers ideas, but sooooo many of them recently just never come to fruition, ya know.
Nice video (again)
model D- had a voyager xl, just get a b ringer clone
CS80- why isn't there something similar, even a mono version ? (yes the kit)
That new Roland (cant remember the name) I was interested and then saw the price :wormOrangeGreen:
Behringer emailed me and said the CS80 is on the way….I told them to send one to me…….awaiting their reply.
For me, it's gotta be a Buchla 200 system. If I'd gotten into synths instead of guitar and drums in school, I'd probably have had one by now. As it is, it feels like an impossible dream.
Well, I wouldn't buy ANY vintage synth - the on-going cost of upkeep is likely to be severe 😱 I also love the CS-80. There was a rumour that Yamaha might issue a revamp a few years ago. That seems like a business no-brainer but doesn't seem likely to happen 😢 Will have to wait for Behringer's DS-80 which I doubt will be as good as an enhanced Yamaha one. But at least it will be affordable. Meanwhile, there's Arturia's awesome CS80 V
I love the sound of the CS-80 but due to it's price I would never buy it. Software versions can give us the sound but for me I like hardware so I went for the very poor person's CS-80, the Yamaha SK30. It's basically a string synth from the late 70s that has a simple poly synth, an organ and a mono synth, as well as a string sound that's an additional poly synth all as different parts that can be blended together or split. The mono synth is basically a CS-5 with aftertouch instead of sample and hold. Of course it will never be a CS80 but if you like that type of sound and you don't want to shell out for a CS80 or 60 then it's a great alternative and not as heavy to lift (but still at least 50kg so it's never leaving my studio again). It's almost as rare though so if you find one grab it
Can vouch for the fact that Jupiter 8 is absolutely stunning. When you press unison on that bad boy it is like turning on Darth Vaders light sabre.
Also I passed up a CS-60 for a very reasonable price… I think I’m going to regret that for a long time. What a beauty both it and the 80 are.
1. Roland sh-5
2.Yamaha dx-1
3.prophet t8 (which I like better than the cs-80)
4. Buchla 200e
5. Moog source
I had a chance to buy one for 900 in the 90's . and it sat there for a long time, ... the regrets of life..
1) CS-80 But I'm pretty sure the CS-80 is one most synth nerds list of want but would never actually buy.
2) Fairlight CMI while technically a sampler (I know I'm cheating here) it's still iconic and offers a lot with that extra crunch but the 10,000$+ they seem to go for is well above what I would willingly pay for something that has plenty of pretty good emulations out there.
3) Korg Kronos, while I've always had a soft spot for workstation class keyboards between the Nautilus and the price jump second hand Kronos have seen I'll just buy a Nautilus and deal with the feature cut back. (Actually going to be ordering a 61key Nautilus in the next month or two)
4) Moog modular of nearly any kind, while they sound nice and understandably have an important place in synth history, they go for well above what I'm willing to spend on a single piece even if I had infinite money to play with.
5) Of all things a DX7 but this is more down to the fact so many DX7 compatible plugins and even hardware out there even for as cheap as they can be had some times I see no point in shelling out for one this day and age even with the near rock bottom prices they can be had for this day an age.
I'll also probably stay away from most mono synths as well as I found out I don't get along with mono keyboard synths very well the hard way when I bought a MS-20 Mini second hand a year or so ago and I hardly touched the thing and recently took it in to a local shop and ate a 200$ loss on what I payed for it. Plus I didn't like the tuning stability issues my MS-20 Mini seemed to have as I couldn't leave it hooked up 24/7 for space reasons plus with the issues with power stability we have in the area I live in that would also have been tempting fate. It took mine upwards of 30 minutes for the tuning to stabilize on it more than once after initial power on for some reason which just made it too much of a hassle to ever want to really use.
Get a Decker's Dream instead of Yamaha CS80 way less expensive and almost as good.
Analogue Solutions Colossus and Moog System 55 would be awesome but cost a small fortune and take a lot of space.
“Oh, my god!” 🤣
The D reissue… Couldn’t justify it as an anything more than an heirloom piece, but pretty happy I did. Cheers, D 🤙🏼
Hey hey! I guess it’s about time Moog RE-REissued a Model D, or Voyager, though…so many other things are in the lineup now, even westcoast synthesis apparently.
Yup, digital Jupiter until further notice. Love that Wave description. To be honest, I don't think obtaining any of these would be healthy for me, at the moment.
sup man! So yeah, who needs any of these at these prices. The new digital stuff like Juno-X even looks like the right way. Plugins even more so 👊🏾
@@noiretblancvie-afterhours That is one thing I am super grateful to Roland for; the Fantom Model Expansions (JX-8P, SH-101, Juno-106, Jupiter-8, and the n/zyme). While it is not nearly enough, combined with digital synths from Roland Cloud, it is definitely a lot more affordable.
That said, every time I launch the digital version, it makes me want a real one, even moreso...
Mine are:
1)Roland JD800
2) PPG Wave 2.2
3)Moog One
4)Novation Super Nova
5)Yamaha DX7
I used to own a Supernova II keyboard. It's a fantastic synth, but I've moved away from most virtual analogue.
I would change the Prophet VS with an actual original Hammond B3 organ (which is technically an addiitive synth). Plus since I have a Voyager, instead of the OG Minimoog I'd be more swayed to say a Haken Continuum which has the crazy Eagan Matrix synth
Hammonds are super practical
@@suitandtieguy Maybe as furniture! :D
@@gautrstafr they last forever and are easy to repair.
@@suitandtieguy Oh you meant practical in that sense, for me practical always makes me think of portability. But yeah, you´re right they do last forever! But unfortunately I don't live in the US: I've kept my eyes open for any that might come up in my local market but I only ever see Yamaha Electones
I own a Jupiter-8, love it, a keeper.m (so better than a Juno-106). I recently owned a 32-voices Waldorf Wave, hated it, sold it without any regret, I do prefer the Microwave I Rev.a sound.
I also own a vintage Minimoog Model D, love it, unmatchable sound.
Prophet Vs, so thin sounding, hate it. CS-80: out of my range, plus servicing those babies is incredibly complex.
My dream is the Andromeda. But I won’t ever buy one because of the repair costs. And lack of parts.
I thought I‘d never get a Monomachine, but in the end I managed to buy one last week :) (Still feeling guilty about the pricetag, but less so after watching your video 😂)
I mean, anything that isn’t $xx,xxx is affordable considering this list.
1. Yamaha CS80
2. Yamaha DX1
3. Roland Jupiter 8
4. Oberheim OB-Xa
5. Korg OASYS
They would all be amazingly cool to own, but I'll never be able to afford them, and unless I became absolutely stinking rich, I simply couldn't defend the cost of either of these.
I was able to snag a Juno 106 for $450 in 2010. I got at least one of the classics for a decent price before they completely skyrocketed!
Which state are you in? The synth prices used to be like housing prices, but not that you can sell online they’re just ridiculous everywhere, no local deals anymore
@@NoirEtBlancVie It was actually on eBay! I guess the French house scene was dying out at that point or something. I live in Ohio, so it’s not always easy to find good synths at the shops, but it is getting better. You can sometimes find crazy deals if you go to Guitar Center that you wouldn’t find online.
I absolutely LOVE the CS-80. You didn't include the Alesis Andromeda. Thats a massive mess of knobs. I'd love one but $$$
Nah. I don’t think I’d want an Alesis Andromeda, reading Jexus’ review of it makes me realize it’s the worst type of synth for me. Menu diving hell.
Well, the CS80 may be out of reach, but there is the affordable Deckard's Dream module that will probably give you a whiff if CS80.
$4000 is not what I call "Affordable"
@@billypilgrim1 Agreed. $4000 is still expensive, but not nearly as expensive as a $100,000 (or more) original CS80 is. I said affordable for the Deckard's Dream because if you really want one and have a decent job (or work extra hours or a second job), you could save up the $4000 and buy one. I can't say the same for a six-figure 44-year-old original CS80 that can cost as much as a Rolls Royce on today's used market nor could I justify the current cost of a CS80 today.
@@kvmoore1 Fair enough. But yes, I agree $100,000 is ridiculous.
Rest In Peace, Dave
Seriously 😔
1. MS-20. Like I want one, but at this point it would just be a huge pain to use with anything in my setup, and most of my synths are probebly clones of that whole thing anyway.
2. Anyhing by Moog. Overpriced and uninovative.
3. Yamaha. Just not feeling it, booring, cold expensive.
4. Liven 8bit. I have been looking at it since release, but there is just no way I can fork out a whopping 200$ for a synth this year, because both my distributors seems to have misplaced all my earnings to their personal accounts.
5. Microfreak. As an old phreaker, it have always apealed to me, but because they basically just snagged the Plates software, and then went on this smear campagn against Behringer for making the same MIDI keyboard as they did, even if the Crave who have all that stuff had been out for a year at that point. Not to mention that there are 100 broken Arturia synths for sale in my area, and the video showing how to replace a broken pot on those synths is 6 hours long, and ends up with the guy giving up instead of just dropping a new pot in there... Like maybe if they gave me one, but I feel my 2HP Pluck has that nice spirit and warm soul to it.
I don't care if its an absolute maintenance queen, if I ever win the lottery I'm buying a model D while the ink on the check is still wet.
who else got vietnam flashbacks when they saw that the cs 80 was a 100k
Deckard's Dream or upcoming DS-80 clone for me. $100k is beyond nuts, even if i was rich, which I'm not. I just think of how many other synths or what I could do with a home studio with $100k. If anyone is looking to giveaway a free CS-80 though, I'm open to that : p
Yamaha VP1, not to find anywhere
DK Synergy II+ ...I've always wanted one, but I'd never buy one because to fully use it you need a Kaypro II CP/M computer to access the additive synthesis parameters. The service logistics for keeping an old Kaypro & Synergy in working order, not to mention the old and archaic method used for achieving additive synthesis, plus the high vintage prices, keeps me away from this digital additive dream synth I've always wanted.
Arp2600 Korg reissue for me,hands down.
Yeah, most of these are essentially unobtainium, really. The midi thing is real too.
I am a very amateur synth enthusiast, but I love my Behringer D. It gives me what I want. Mine actually holds tune pretty solid. Especially after it's been on 10 or 15. A bit more if it's cold.
I agree, plus if you play a Behringer Model D I wouldn’t be able to tell if it was a real Moog in the context of a song. I liked my Model D
*Note to LANDR,
I never listen to pitches. Not from LOOPOP, Dr Mix, JORB, not even HAINBACH but if NOIR says check something out... I'm influenced, I'll be over shortly.
Cs80
SEM
Prophet 5
Solina
Korg Monopoly
"I can say confidently there will never be another CS-80." Now you're just throwing down the gauntlet to Uli.
Lol. Behringer sent me an email, asked me if I wanted any of their synths, I literally said “not right now, but let me know when the CS80 is on the way”…still waiting for their email back to me.
I lost it at 6:45.
I mean, imagine your synth costs more than some peoples houses 😅
@@NoirEtBlancVie My first house was less than that.
JP-08 has the price of a new car, will most certainly have the mileage of a heavily used car
For me... the OP-1 field lol
And I could have got a CS-80 for 3000
DX1
I have an even better argument.
Besides these all being too expensive, and hard to maintain, there are new synths that are as good or better.
Why buy an overpriced old synth that breaks when you can get a new synth with a warranty for less?
Aside from one really old drum machine, all of my synths are less than 20 years old.
Most are less than 3 years old!
I have all synths you mention in your video (except the prophet vs that I no longer have, but have access to if needed)
Wave is a fantastic instrument and has sonically nothing in common with the Xtk (had both at a point)
Wave is fragile and has many reasons to be unfixable if going wrong
Cs80 too (especially considering all specific yamaha IG it uses)
I don't care, they are instruments I love using, and I'll keep using them as long as possible...
I'd take a Jupiter 8 for free!
1. Korg Polysix
2. Oberheim OBXa
3. Fairlight CMI
4. Sequential Circuits Prophet 10
5. Yamaha CS-80
there's an elephant in the room to this video: you can perfectly emulate 80% of those synths with any computer this day. arturia v collection has the jupiter 8, the cs80, the prophet vs, AND the minimoog. only one missing is the waldorf wave, that is a digital synth and you can probably do the same with any modern waldorf synth (hardware or software - it doesn't matter).
Very true, I’m a hands on player, so I love hardware over say even software and a non-dedicated controller, that said….75% of the music I make is ITB, so like you said, it doesn’t matter at all ☺️🙏🏾
Interesting that you like the virus.
Absolutely! I use it the least, but it’s great!
Anything w the y u always lyin guy...
True that, I felt like the meme was too old, but it never fails lol