How to Make Flash Look Like Natural Light

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  • @SlayerzXtreme
    @SlayerzXtreme ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Pye Jirsa = Master Yoda of Photography. Man, I learn so much from you on every single video!

  • @jeremyvenegas1326
    @jeremyvenegas1326 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    loving how he didn’t use the magsphere at all, but magmod still posted this amazing piece of knowledge

  • @robertjureit2574
    @robertjureit2574 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WOW. As a retired pro Advertising photographer. You sure made it complicated. It’s called balanced light for a reason. Take a light meter ,reading. And set the camera and strobe to match.Tada,you’re done. I did 8X10 format,interiors for years. Balance the exterior outside light,to match the interior,your done. Light meter/strobe meter,works wonders. No insult intended.

    • @MagnetMod
      @MagnetMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      How does the saying go... There are a thousand ways to "cuddle" a cat. Something like that.

  • @MH7_256
    @MH7_256 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are just one of my favorite teachers of all things photography!

  • @pedrosanchez4035
    @pedrosanchez4035 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Absolutely brilliant - exactly what I was looking for thank you as a refresher - I will say this:
    This is the best channel without exception for flash. I wasn't sure that I would warm to Pye, I feared he would be too cool and smug, (as many other's working in this medium very often are, I name no names) but he turns out to be an excellent teacher, very down to earth, explains everything very very well, very clearly. Not a moment of patronising showboating, examples for everything. The models / talent (what ever is the correct name) are obviously top professionals, and clearly he has a good (working) relationship with them (unlike many others working in this medium, again I name no names).
    This is the only channel anyone needs to learn flash photography, look no further. You have arrived.

  • @jeanfernandez6063
    @jeanfernandez6063 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How do you decide how far to place the flash and the angle? Is it even with her eye level? Pointed down a bit? Just wondering how you decide where to place this small light source.

  • @PeteySmoothJazz5059
    @PeteySmoothJazz5059 ปีที่แล้ว

    Per usual, great instructions! I love the way that you "dive" into your explanations without wasting words or boasting about self!

  • @GregShaw
    @GregShaw ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Wow this was awesome, so clear to understand. Love the CAMP idea, not heard that one before. Straight to it and no fluff. Also I agree the magnet action is 👌I always attach and detach mine a few times when putting it onto my speed light

  • @DIGITALMIND63
    @DIGITALMIND63 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great VID! My problem with this small light source is you have to position the light in such a way that it falls flat on the face. If you position this small light source at a 45 degree angle with the subject looking straight on you get unpleasant harsh shadows. In your shot the model is looking to the side and in the direction of the flash which does not cause harsh shadows. So in my opinion it does work, but light placement is crucial. Am I missing something?

  • @riflegurlsmom
    @riflegurlsmom 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    LOVE your tutorials, Pye!!

  • @leroytademy
    @leroytademy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey Pye are you watching your histogram for clipping in the highlights in case you need to brighten your subject in post?

  • @ecando54
    @ecando54 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Never heard of camp but I'm going to use it. Thanks. Btw i shoot with the same camera setup. Great combo. It's my go to.

  • @jyoti_das1971
    @jyoti_das1971 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Profoto A1 is a discontinued model as of now but is it a good idea to use speedlite in HSS mode ?

  • @wrstrout
    @wrstrout ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish I would have seen this (should have had the bell on) before I went out to practice with my flash a week and a half ago!
    How far do you normally put your flash away from the subject? It also looked like it was perpendicular to the subject, does this change based on look or is that the best place?

  • @JuanitaOrton
    @JuanitaOrton ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was great! Lots of ideas. But i'm trying to set get up to do my own photography outside and not in studio anymore. Any tips? Or videos on how to learn flash and lighting for beginners?

  • @angelevarcurioso8523
    @angelevarcurioso8523 ปีที่แล้ว

    I do the same thing except I ask my model's angle and light the short side. And i I try my best to make my artificial light seamless as much as possible. I love this tutorial 😊.

  • @stefano_campani
    @stefano_campani ปีที่แล้ว +4

    thank you for showing us these useful concepts!
    I do not completely understand the utility of magsphere.
    Shouldn't be almost the same look without it? Flash is far from model and surface emitting area does not increase so much
    thanks

    • @TheLordinio
      @TheLordinio 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      yes. bad product placement. the point of the mag sphere is to bounce some light off axis for use inside with white walls to give you both a directional light as well as ambient fill with only one strobe. outside it does nothing other than reduce your power output since there aren't any surfaces to bounce the light off of

  • @corykphotography
    @corykphotography ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for this video. It was definitely inspiring and you are always such a great teacher. It's much appreciated

  • @thanhhuuvu2617
    @thanhhuuvu2617 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    this is beautiful explained :D. Thank you for this wonderful tutorial.

    • @MagnetMod
      @MagnetMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      We are glad you enjoyed it!

  • @ChuckSeayII
    @ChuckSeayII 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pye you are an awesome teacher!

  • @fabiofieri854
    @fabiofieri854 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    with a sunrise light have you edited the color of the flash in ps? because of his 5600k temperature color..

  • @DevinTrent88
    @DevinTrent88 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Did you do an audio voiceover? This audio sounds way to clean to be outside. You can even see the wind blowing in the background. Very impressive!

    • @amsivertson
      @amsivertson ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Nope. Not only can you see the mic, and you can hear the cars driving by, and the wind sound, it’s very obviously not ADR/voiceover - you can see just by watching that it’s original audio. This is a combination of a) the right high end microphone AND receiving equipment (you can’t cheap-out on either), and b) proper audio treatment & cleanup as needed in post production, with the right software when needed. Use the right equipment and the right techniques, and treat the material properly in post, and this is what happens.

  • @mohammedmushtaq1786
    @mohammedmushtaq1786 ปีที่แล้ว

    Master and Commander = Pye

  • @brandonperez5629
    @brandonperez5629 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would you say that the MagSphere gives better light quality than the click dome on the ProFoto A1?

  • @isabellethomas2108
    @isabellethomas2108 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Question: why using manual flash and not ttl? (if flash too strong use flash compensation, no?) What is the difference between manual flash and ttl flash for outdoor portrait? Why did you choose that one rather than the other using high speed sync? Thank you!

    • @joelhernandez2469
      @joelhernandez2469 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Although I am not Pye, I will answer why I tend to use manual flash and not TTL in this kind of setting (off-camera flash in an outdoor setting). Sometimes TTL can be a little unpredictable (who knows, maybe TTL flash is very consistent now with certain flash companies lol).
      Here is an example... I may be happy with one picture using TTL, the amount of power I used in it, but I would hate if I was happy with my first shot but then the following 5-10 images were a little over exposed, and some underexposed, thinking I exposed my shot correctly with the flash that I used the first time. I would rather have consistent amount of flash coming out every single time and let me make the adjustments when needed. I personally have an idea how much power I need to use with different lighting situations. An issue I could see happening is... I am shooting a person head on, got the exposure correct, my camera exposure meter in the middle etc... but then once I move the camera more down and point my camera up, more of the sky is showing, so my camera meter may change a lot, and my flash TTL auto setting may also change a lot because it's using TTL.
      I could see TTL coming in handy on a sunny day with clouds coming in and out of the scene, and yes-it's probably faster to work with because it it's automatically adjusting the flash power, but sometimes people want full control and more consistent results, so they use manual.
      You will most likely see a lot of photographers that have been around for a while use manual flashes because they are generally cheaper and been out since forever.
      I use TTL when I am using my flash on top of my camera and shooting events. Of course I use flash compensation depending if I am bouncing my flash or not.

  • @cornellwilliams5191
    @cornellwilliams5191 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. Your direction is straight forward and easy to follow. Inspirational!

  • @mjpt57
    @mjpt57 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the magnetic diffusers. Have a couple for my Godox V1.

    • @MagnetMod
      @MagnetMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      We love ya back!

  • @MrPitts88
    @MrPitts88 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    These are very helpful. I love the concise approach. One question…would you not use an ND filter to possibly change exposure and still use flash?

    • @MagnetMod
      @MagnetMod  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You could if you wanted to use say for example a lower f/stop. It's definitely another way to do it.

  • @iam_nobody_just_a_Nikon_nerd
    @iam_nobody_just_a_Nikon_nerd ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As always Pye, a good video. I have a lot of people on my workshops that referee to your videos and tell me how they get a lot of knowledge and inspiration from them.

  • @CarlosAlvaradoPhotography
    @CarlosAlvaradoPhotography ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great video! Did you have your flash directly pointed at her face? Or was it feathered a bit to make it softer?

  • @marclabro
    @marclabro ปีที่แล้ว +1

    super tuto ! generally we see videos darkening ambiance so nice to see the reverse. I am surprised in hss at 2m distance 1/4 power with magsphere you can deliver enough light on the face.

    • @MagnetMod
      @MagnetMod  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is nice to see how one can achieve a lot of different looks, they they don't always have to be the dark and dramatic shots. Flash can even be used to balance with ambient and make your awesome shots even better! Thanks for commenting @marclabro

  • @websiteckron8591
    @websiteckron8591 ปีที่แล้ว

    Will this light setup work for a family of four?

  • @xkorbekx
    @xkorbekx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    it would very helpful to see meter and histogram for ambient

  • @mikel5094
    @mikel5094 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello awesome shots. Are you using a ND filter on your lens?

  • @dirtysouthtiger
    @dirtysouthtiger ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video 📸💪
    Explain why you placed the light to the right and side of her and not to the left in front of her

  • @hasanali948
    @hasanali948 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was very useful. Thanks.

  • @marcoshuayai3995
    @marcoshuayai3995 ปีที่แล้ว

    So is better natural light and light then, flash??

  • @Muzeishen
    @Muzeishen ปีที่แล้ว

    This really helped out things into perspective both for composition and flash use!

  • @randyhurlburt
    @randyhurlburt ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is great, Pye! My girlfriend/model doesn't like shots with flash because they don't look natural (just like you said at the beginning). So now I have a better idea of how to do it. Can it be done without high speed synch? My speedlight (easy to take to the field) has HSS but I fear that it doesn't have enough power for a shot at 1/1000 sec.

    • @mattfetts
      @mattfetts ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes you’d just need an ND filter to keep your shutter speed at your flash sync speed

    • @randyhurlburt
      @randyhurlburt ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mattfetts Thanks! Can you increase f-stop and thereby avoid using an ND filter?

    • @mattfetts
      @mattfetts ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@randyhurlburt absolutely. An ND filter is primarily used to maintain a low shutter speed and a large aperture. If your depth of field is not of interest, increase the f-stop and avoid the ND

    • @MagnetMod
      @MagnetMod  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks @mattfetts for helping out. Glad you enjoyed the video @randyhurlburt

  • @mcculloughimagery4952
    @mcculloughimagery4952 ปีที่แล้ว

    which manfrotto nano stand is he using?

  • @hangingoutwithryan
    @hangingoutwithryan ปีที่แล้ว

    Great tip my man! And great video.

  • @oedam
    @oedam ปีที่แล้ว

    Inspiring video, Thank you

  • @carlandjoonretirment
    @carlandjoonretirment ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing as always

  • @alessiopavani
    @alessiopavani ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job! But, what do you think if the light from the flash came from the same side as the sunlight?

    • @GlobalShutterNY
      @GlobalShutterNY ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You are correct that the best subtle use of flash outside is to Brigit in from the same side as the sun - it will blend more naturally and look less 'lit' that way...

  • @DKpanti
    @DKpanti 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What was the zoom range of flash

  • @markglenday7291
    @markglenday7291 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Pye thanks for sharing love your videos because you explain everything in layman's terms and terms that people can understand. Cheers Mark from Australia 😀

    • @MagnetMod
      @MagnetMod  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pye is a masterful teacher!

  • @lighthouse222222
    @lighthouse222222 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thought you would get a shutter curtain exposure on picture if you shoot over 200 in shutter speed. How do you compensate?

    • @BlankPhot
      @BlankPhot ปีที่แล้ว

      Hugh Sync Speed. it's a setting on your flash that allows for higher shutter speeds to be used.

  • @aileenortega76
    @aileenortega76 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is a very good video!

  • @delmarray1147
    @delmarray1147 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do we have to have a magsphere 2

    • @MagnetMod
      @MagnetMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      There are benefits to using modifiers, which Pye has covered in other videos. Definitely check out the video about using each of the MagMod modifiers on the same model to see the results of using the different modifiers, or even bare flash.

    • @epiicSpooky
      @epiicSpooky ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No. All it does here is further reduce the flash power. (which you can do many other ways)
      (modifiers like that can be very useful indoors and near walls, but not so much in open spaces)

  • @phoenixr6811
    @phoenixr6811 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for this truth😊

  • @kevinturtle977
    @kevinturtle977 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was hoping to learn about ambiance settings.

  • @howardgrodin2463
    @howardgrodin2463 ปีที่แล้ว

    With the Profoto A1, you went from full power (10.0) to half power. Is 9.0 1/2 power?

  • @AKSKMY
    @AKSKMY ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hmm interesting so basically usually its taught to compensate 2 stops underexposed on the camera when using flash. I assume that's for the dramatic side of things.

  • @MartinV.
    @MartinV. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great Video!!

    • @MagnetMod
      @MagnetMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you enjoyed it

  • @pamelaschniepp6075
    @pamelaschniepp6075 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! Thank you.

  • @markparris5255
    @markparris5255 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome. Thank you

  • @carolinabasurtocruz3079
    @carolinabasurtocruz3079 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gracias por poner traducción en español, me encantan tus videos.

  • @legen8579
    @legen8579 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Sir Pye

  • @Sydney_Jones
    @Sydney_Jones ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love you Pye

  • @BboyGraphicx
    @BboyGraphicx ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant explanation

  • @ichimichael111
    @ichimichael111 ปีที่แล้ว

    what is the sppedlites zoom at?

  • @thextopic
    @thextopic ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice Video I really founding interesting

  • @Elassyahmed
    @Elassyahmed ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video as always. Also putting the R5 on the ground gave me a mini panic attack

  • @brendaleticia3378
    @brendaleticia3378 ปีที่แล้ว

    merci beaucoup

  • @kenlor71
    @kenlor71 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    not sure why one would not put the flash on the same side as where the sunshine is coming from. If it's on the opposite side, it looks obviously lit.

  • @wanneske1969
    @wanneske1969 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I don't see how such a small speedlight (I have the same) could brighten up the model on such a sunny day. And then putting something on it that even reduces the light output by one stop ? Sounds crazy. I guess it could only add a bit of fill light.

    • @JEDINITE30
      @JEDINITE30 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Speedlights bare and at a reasonable distance can overpower the sun in this situation. But you are correct, the magsphere only reduces the output. It doesn't provide any value outdoors at all. So many photographers (pros and amateurs) get this wrong all the time. It is hilarious to me, I think to myself, "wow, these people really do not study light in it's entirety" lol. The magsphere outdoors is a total waste of time and effort. It's bouncing light off of nothing (wasted light) and the only photons hitting the subject are the ones going straight to the subject from a small source. So using the flash bare will achieve the same effect (just control the power output). The shadows will be identical with or without the magsphere.

    • @wanneske1969
      @wanneske1969 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@JEDINITE30 Exactly my thoughts ! I don't see why you'd put a piece of Tupperware on your flash :-). I love my Godox V1 but it's only useful indoors where there is not a lot of light (for instance wedding parties). Outdoors I'd use the AD200 or AD400.

    • @JEDINITE30
      @JEDINITE30 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@wanneske1969 exactly! For those that only have a speed light, they can make it work, but it will be more difficult and the recycle times will be long. Putting an unnecessary stoploss modifier on the front is counterproductive.

  • @oxxxeee
    @oxxxeee ปีที่แล้ว +1

    that little diffuser does not do anything but reduce the flash power. i use AD200 with fresnel lens on stand with an assistant for run n gun couple shoots outdoors. tons of power. the light is hard but matches the sun's hard light on clothing and things around them.

  • @veselinvasilev9362
    @veselinvasilev9362 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks!

  • @Gingergall17
    @Gingergall17 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wait for it.... oh yeah! LOL!

  • @BenSussmanpro
    @BenSussmanpro ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks, very helpful tutorial. But I don’t understand how the diffuser would provide any added value outside because whatever light diffusion that propagates will scatter into the ether before it reaches your subject. I would think diffusion would work only on a large softbox much closer to your subject. I’d like to see a comparison with & without the diffuser.

    • @JEDINITE30
      @JEDINITE30 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It doesn't provide any value outdoors at all. So many photographers (pros and amateurs) get this wrong all the time. It is hilarious to me, I think to myself, "wow, these people really do not study light in it's entirety" lol. You are correct, diffusion panels on a softbox diffuse a small light to make it bigger (which creates soft light) and omni-directional diffusers simply spread light in all directions to bounce off of things (indoors only). The magsphere outdoors is a total waste of time and effort. It's bouncing light off of nothing (wasted light) and the only photons hitting the subject are the ones going straight to the subject from a small source. So using the flash bare will achieve the same effect (just control the power output). The shadows will be identical with or without the magsphere. He also mentioned less specularity in the video which is in fact false. Specularity is nothing more than a total reflection of the light source. The more reflective the surface and the brighter the source, the more specularity you get no matter what modifier you have. It is only controlled by power output, distance, how matte the surface is, and knowledge of the inverse square law. You can have a softbox be specular and a silver umbrella have hardly no specularity. It is all about knowing what you're doing.

    • @viezure10
      @viezure10 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JEDINITE30You're right, except in the parts where you're wrong, ie. the magsphere doing nothing outdoors. It does when it's pointed towards the subject, as in this video, try it for yourself. Or search for youtube videos on this, there are plenty.

    • @JEDINITE30
      @JEDINITE30 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@viezure10 I have, I own a few of em. And I have done tests. You can get the same shadows, highlights, look, everything, with or without it. It is all a matter of settings. Do you know the actual scientific reason why soft shadows come from large light sources?

  • @jaym5938
    @jaym5938 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Edited the heck out of those images

  • @lindablackwell-prabish2335
    @lindablackwell-prabish2335 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would have been nice to order the correct adaptor in the beginning! I have no use for a Bowen and why would anyone want it if they already have it. Just saying.

  • @KennethDAstonJr
    @KennethDAstonJr ปีที่แล้ว

    WOw right on the side of the road, no need for some out of the way location.

  • @kennguyen222
    @kennguyen222 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *This is 2023, not 2003, where everyone understands lighting better, there's nothing to hide here, I'm just an ordinary photographer in Vietnam, but if any experts In this world, if you use Magmod in a situation like in the video, I guarantee that no one can shoot better than me*
    *I only use 1 tripod $20, 1 reflector that can be attached to the tripod $10 total $30, of course I can use this accessory set for more purposes*
    *It's not that I'm too confident about myself, but if anyone really cares about light and understands light, the so-called Flash diffuse does not exist, this was explained by the Chairman of Nikkon Vietnam at the final ceremony. year (I remember correctly it was 2009, I'm still in contact with him to this day)*
    *If you feel offended, you can block me, but that just makes me feel like I understand light better than anyone else.*

    • @hubert2191
      @hubert2191 ปีที่แล้ว

      what da phuc are you talking about

    • @kennguyen222
      @kennguyen222 ปีที่แล้ว

      *profes bro*@@hubert2191

  • @thekeenherald3694
    @thekeenherald3694 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How many of us here had to rewind the video back to the definition of CAMP?

    • @MagnetMod
      @MagnetMod  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's an awesome acronym to think about when on shoots.

  • @allenhendricks8892
    @allenhendricks8892 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My type of teacher simple and less gear

  • @GlobalShutterNY
    @GlobalShutterNY ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Adding the MagSphere barely adds any real size to the light, and wastes a ton of flash power by scattering the light outdoors where there are no surfaces to reflect it back. Inside in a smallish room the reflections off of walls/ceiling can help to create a softer big source- outdoors it is simply under powering your flash with no benefit.

    • @poerava
      @poerava ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Boosting the power of the flash with the magsphere is perfect. It’s the soft light you want.
      I know it zaps the power, yet it’s not as harsh as the flash even on lower settings.

  • @utpalbaruahphotography
    @utpalbaruahphotography 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    if i were u i would have used an ad200/400/600 and make the job done easily😊

  • @allenhendricks8892
    @allenhendricks8892 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lens Boby Light Flip Flops Shorts Subject Location
    And Thank you

  • @socksonfeet8125
    @socksonfeet8125 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What about us broke folks without High Speed Sync? Do you have a video for us, lol? All we have is 1/200 or 1/250 :/.

  • @busternineshoes
    @busternineshoes ปีที่แล้ว

    The highlights go off too much. There should be at least a little detail in there.

  • @peterthart531
    @peterthart531 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's all pretty obvious. But if you don't have high speed synch it won't work. You really glossed over that

  • @hervecoach2301
    @hervecoach2301 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please en french ! 😊

    • @samouraidusoleil
      @samouraidusoleil ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😂 c’est quand même plutôt facile à comprendre non ? 😂

  • @redmalco
    @redmalco ปีที่แล้ว +1

    just remove the flash and use reflector or nd filter if you really want to use flash. you using 1/2000 sec lol amazing tutorial

    • @MagnetMod
      @MagnetMod  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The cool part is there is often multiple ways to get things done. Advantages and disadvantages to each.

  • @RudiZimmerer
    @RudiZimmerer ปีที่แล้ว

    The ambient light is too strong, at least 1/4000s, I prefer 1/8000s and Flash 1/8 or 1/4

  • @Dewabarasunderan
    @Dewabarasunderan ปีที่แล้ว

    Vegan recipes using meat.

    • @MagnetMod
      @MagnetMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds delish! I can get behind that. :)

  • @peeweebarney
    @peeweebarney ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You forgot to tell what mode you set your camera on........MANUAL, APERTURE, OR SHUTTER SPEED? How much does models cost and how to find one?