"Dev Interview Reveals Everything about Phase 4 and the Future" by Ebonhardt | Staysafe Reacts
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I thought Demonfall Canyon was pretty cool. Here are some of the facts:
1. You can still visit the old area if you don't have the trinket equipped (you won't see the instance portal, correct?)
2. It builds on existing content in a way that doesn't destroy or undermine what came before it.
3. It's a conclusion or continuation of an existing storyline in a non-intrusive way (Satyr and demonic corruption in Ashenvale and Felwood never has a real conclusion in Vanilla)
My conclusion here is: Demonfall Canyon is exactly the kind of content that would be successful in Classic+, it adds new content and progresses a side story and without destroying what came before it (Think Deathwing and Cata as the extreme here, it changed the entire world as we knew it). You can still visit the area and see the exact spot where Grom sacrificed himself to free the Orc race. It doesn't change any game mechanics, lore, or classes in a way that takes away from the spirit of classic.
If you want to fairly criticize other stuff like the retail abilities or the "Molten Core" that's totally fine, and I know you admit that you're biased - just try to consider that if you attack ideas that are actually kinda good, they may be reluctant to do something like that again in the future. Criticize the bad ideas and reinforce the good ones. You are correct in saying that we should also get new zones too, and just so you know I'm trying to be fair here, I think SoD sucks too. I can't lie though, DFC gave me hope, it's a diamond in a pile of shit lol
Also just for what it's worth, when gathering market research data, marketers tend to filter out the extremes under the assumption of Response Bias (Say on a 1-5 survey, people who vote all 5 or all 1 are more likely to be filtered out). So your voice may not actually be heard if you respond negatively to everything. I think your voice is pretty important here, so just food for thought
Underrated comment.💯
Thank you for such a based view on SoD and P4. I am kind of in the middle. SoD for me has been really fun when it comes to the raids and some of the runes, but the Emerald Dream and Searing Gorge events just suck. A lot of runes suck as well. Demonfall Canyon is an example of the way to progress. It's great they see SoD as an experiment. Take what worked, don't go too far overboard with crazy runes, events and class changes and just give us good new dungeons/stories to explore. OSRS provides a perfect example. Steal and copy like you stole and copied most great things in the past, Blizz.
Bro straight up said it’s not a good thing that people are grouping up and doing lvl up raids LMAO . But he’ll cope out of his mind and say it’s a good thing for people to play era where you play with others
Just Incredible.
I thought he was just critiquing how the "lvl up raids" have become part of the "minmax powerlevel alts to 60 rat race?"
@@Xazamas Yeah it was just a strawman argument lol
This interview is proof that Blizzard has been winging it since day 1.
Think they admitted that from the beginning
That’s the point of SoD.
If you watched previous interviews, from launch and prelaunch even, you would've already knew that.
uhh they never covered it up bro.
that's the point - that's what SoD has always been, a place to try out thing, implement things - to find the lines the community has and test out how these ideas unfurl in an active environment. it intentionally isn't Classic+ in order to gather data of the communities perceptions of these ideas to potentially implement good ideas and strip away bad ideas for a classic+ project.
honestly - despite how much *I* want Classic+ , I'd be more satisfied if people like you and every other hater doesn't get the classic+ they have in their head. I HOPE they announce they cancel all classic projects and shutdown all servers but the retail ones.
if you can't appreciate something - you shouldn't have it and unfortunately most of the "classic community" shit on what the team has done...
It's to bad you aren't having fun with SoD, I am still having fun with it. It's not classic+ but it's SoD and you can't think of it as classic+. But many of us are having fun.
@@aaronharney7802 yep 👍
no he's right it is shit
And if people keep playing this crap, youre basically enabling blizzard to keep making crap. Sadly The Classic WoW dev team needs a big overhaul. The vision is just not there.
@@FelLotus33 to you it’s shit but not to me and many others. So it’s opinion
@@FelLotus33 to me and many others, I think they are doing a great job.
It's weird how the message of "classic with a few class changes so meme specs are not a complete joke" from the player base becomes "how about retail?" to blizzard.
sod was always a testing ground, the cope is that you thought otherwise. it was mega obvious from the start that this wasn't the real classic plus
THANK YOU
Yeah but it's genuinely effortless dogshit. Wether it's a beta or not, is objectively bad and low effort in comparison to bootleg, free versions of the game that are built with passion. it fucking sucks, and saying anything else is the real cope.
@@bluburryyumyum1367you are out of your mind. It literally has double the player base of Classic Era. SoD is the reason Classic + is even happening. Effortless or not, people really like SoD.
@andrew2616 I'm out of my mind??? You literally just agreed with me that it's effortless. I don't care if it has a high player count, it's still dogshit.
@@andrew2616sod is the reason classic+ is happening hahaha yeah right xD sod is retail shit no vanilla player asked for, fool.
I think SoD has shown us something: having a dedicated QA/testing team is necessary with these developers.
The "Molten Core" boss would be like if you were running ICC, defeated the Lich King, but had to defeat a floating helm of domination before you actually beat the raid.
As for the resistance stuff. I was one of those weirdos who was disappointed resistances were removed from the game, but I also understand the argument it's not fun to not be able to use new gear because of it, so how about they do this. One slot is dedicated to it, the cloak or maybe a ring/neck gives like +200 res and that's it, or something. And you got to craft this piece or something, then it will be like "alright everyone get your fire rez cloak" and you don't have to worry about spreading it all over everything. Then you can swap out that one piece to say nature if you are visiting AQ, or normal gear in a place where there is no heavy elemental damage, etc.
For anyone who is going to say sod is good and p4 is best yet that's good that you enjoy it. I feel like staysafe is so negative about sod because its just not what most or even just some people wanted. We wanted classic+
what people should understand is that SoD is a testing ground for what does and doesnt work with the additions. currently, the worst thing added to SoD was the Nightmare Incursions. that killed the overall leveling experience in P3.
What i think worked out so far was world events like BRE. being able to come out and do the event daily at any other hour of the day is great and i can choose when to do it.
I am having the most fun in P4 with gearing up for MC and getting ready for Heat 2 and 3 when my guild goes into the higher difficulty tiers.
Kiddo, shut the fck up already.
P4 is good, you people are just completely negatively stupid.
You do know that the devs have confirmed that SOD is nothing but a testing ground right? They CONFIRMED that, they CONFIRMED this is not Classic +
@@peppermint3808 You do know that a testing ground is for testing so if your getting negative feedback and bad retention, Then what your doing is not working and need to change, your getting what you made it for honest and raw feedback, Stop trying to suppress and skew raw feedback, No one here in good faith wants to see any version of WoW do bad.
Homie if they just made "classic+" without gathering feedback and balancing in seasonal servers you wouldn't like what classic+ ends up looking like! It will be here eventually and you'll get to enjoy a solved environment when it is.
Reception is definitely positive, we just lost so many that still hold a negative opinion from previous phases that obviously wont change their opinion and why would they?
SoD is clearly an early access version of wow, probably the only way they could get any founding/dev time.
The logical progression would be a reset, that incorporate the individual experimental features that (in their final form) are positive.
Then allow dev time for even more content eventually giving us classic +.
I mean ofc we get SoM mechanics, it's already developed in the previous season. That's the point.
Having fun with classic. For me its a mix of retail in a classic world.
Hey @StaySafe I share your sentiments! All I wanted for WoW classic plus to be grittier and emphasize the journey and rpg'iness of the game by implementing changes with a horizontal progression more than vertically boosting item lvls and stats alone. I wish professions got converted to a free form crafting and gotten the same UI as talents. Reputations got overhauled per NPC instead of per faction, so that intricate relations could be achieved each playthrough etc.. There is more, but at this point it's becomes better to sell one's ideas for a willing company to work on :D
~2 minute mark. On the topic of incursions, they have explained it; they created a game where they want people to play new things and experiment with all of the changes. On a shorter seasonal timeline they need to ease the burden of leveling in order for players to actually do that. They even admitted they missed the mark and didn't accomplish what they set out to do and nerfed them last phase and effectively removed them beyond lvl 53 for leveling. Anecdotally, the people who leveled with incursions did so about two hours faster than people who went dungeon grinding and the gold was abused for like 6 hours (a neglible amount considering the impact bots can have on any economy day in and day out). The incursions were an unfun way for some people to skip to the endgame and I really don't understand why you seem so upset about it. Then again, rage is OP in classic so maybe you're just chasing the meta.
Justifying incursions is cringe
@@bluburryyumyum1367 didn't justify it. That was their explanation when he's claiming they didn't explain why they put them in the game. They took them out and you're still mad 🤡
p4 is nice they solved the hell of farming pre-bis stuff in endgame dungeons, now it always feels nice even if u don't drop shit bc undermine real is good
For me the fun part of wow was leveling and getting pre bis. That is why i quit p3. After running incursion for a day or two you had a sht ton of gold, level 50 and a full item set to go into the raid. No point playing after that.
Early in the video you mentioned how you are basically paying attention to sod to hate on it. "If you go looking for trouble, youll find trouble"
Imagine going from test lead to someone who doesnt test gj Aggrend
I'm wondering how much time do the turtle Wow boys have and how much time blizzard is giving the classic team but stay safe is incredible hurt since SoD isnt what he wanted he loves the game just a bit too much
They need to hire the turtle wow team.
I really dont understand Classic players. They want Classic+, they want Turtle WoW but at the same time went to war for a simple UI guild change.
@@diode_wow what the fuck are you talking about
@@BobbyFlay14it’s not hard to understand what he’s saying. Classic players want all these classic changes but can’t handle a fuckin guild tab window.
Nah. They need to let private servers pay to host official servers but give them freedom to create whatever they want
@@ez6791exactly man they could just get money out of privat servers without doing anything and it would be a win win situation.
Turtle WoW puts Blizzard to shame.
If Classic+ doesn't come out for a while, we may as well have TBC of Discovery. I'd also support Hardcore TBC and other expansions.
18:04 Did they get official support from the art team to make the ball of lava shinier or something??
ITS A BALL OF LAVA! :'D
It is the player's freedom that is always conspicuously the focus in Vanilla and is suppressed in retail.
The feeling of having the free choice to do what I want at any time and everything I do has value and meaning and also leads to the goal.
But how, with whom and for how long the whole thing happens is something I decide to a large extent, freely myself.
As soon as the player feels compelled to do something, the fun gradually disappears.
the retail prepatch has shown me
everything i need to know about
wow developers...and then some!
Im having a blast in SoD, one of the best experiences for me in wow. I dont really understand what people who complain about it actually want, seems like they just want real classic (no changes).
I enjoyed p1 and p2, I dont mind changes here and there but from p3 it did not feel like classic anymore and more like retail light. Which is fine I know a large part of the SOD population comes from retail but it was not for me. I am still more interested in a classic+ version rather than a fresh vanilla no changes server.
Turtle wow does it great I hope blizzard does sth similar.
Calling you on it - sod was referred to as a testing ground since phase 1. That hasn't changed. I'll grant there may have been comments around as 'classic plus', but it was always along side a philosophy of seeing what sticks.
Exactly. So full of shit.
I’m glad you’re speaking the truth unlike most of the content creators.
I understand that the SOD team is a small team with a small budget. With that being said…. Why would they spend a lot of that budget on the Ashenvale pvp event, the STV pvp event, Incursions & the BRM event? They spent their limited resources on systems are suck and or are dead. I do agree with Staysafe on some things and this team sucking ass is one of them…. 🤦♂️
why would they talk to a couple of anonymous streamers, on this round? is it because they don't have the balls to face uncomfortable questions?
They call them seasons of for a reason, i don't think it's cope
0 confidence this team can deliver a classic+ , the best thing they added was a floating lava ball?
Runes made more sense and were easier to incorporate in phase 1 because 1-25 is far more on-rails and linear than after later zones open up.
Lot of disconnect here, people aren’t running the level up raids anymore. It’s a rare occasion to see, “LFM BFD/Gnomer” or even incursions.
I liked the cenarion circle quests..
Watch the countdown to classic interview and do a reaction comparing the two. They are fairly different in terms of how the devs talk about the game
Aggrend talking about the fire res was so tilting. He’s either lying or doesn’t understand the raid and items he has created. Your full raid tier set and best dps set up WILL NOT bring your necessary fire resist threshold. You are going to need to swap in different items to get your capped FR, so you won’t ever get the gear to survive AND do the most dps possible.
TWoW is very fun. Been playing since P3 shat the bed and have no reason to go back to SoD. One AQ40 raid away from getting enough rep for the t2.5 set!
Same left early p3 for Twow.
StaySafe- the voice of truth.
0:30 - 0:50
It feels like vanila wow was perfectly made scrambled eggs. Not to overcooked not to undercooked and with the right amount of salt on top of it.
Almost everyone likes perfectly made scrambled eggs with a little bit of salt.
The problem is, how do you improve these perfect scrambled eggs so that the pure scrambled eggs enjoyers still enjoy them? It is almost impossible...
You cant add onions, tomatos, mushrooms and sausage or bacon because there will be people who dont like the taste of theses vegges or say now it s too fatty and salty because of the sausage and bacon.(too much drastic changes)
It just dont taste like classic perfectly made scrambled eggs anymore even if you add just one new ingridient.
The only thing you can do is adding just the right amount of pepper(perfect amount of little tweaks) and make more of the perfect scrambled eggs in general.(more content).
Staysafe kind sounds like Kronk off of The Emporer's New Groove
Nightmare incursions, raid difficulties, fast lvlng, dailies, no new content, instanced world bosses, retail spells, hotfixes that invalidate peoples grind and time, finding runes from wowhead, arbitray fire res caps, itemisation in general, economy, savagely undertuned world = gay
I'm gonna keep saying this: Blizz needs to license the IP to classic so a proper shop can develop it. They'll come out way ahead and it's a win/win for us and them.
I think they just didn't have enough resources and did the best they could to give us what they could. We all know how hard blizzard employees get worked. I'm enjoying the game tbh.
Jesus Christ. I've been unplugged since TBC launch.
If THIS is classic+ then I don't want it. wtf are these clowns doing?
They need to just give up and hype up a no changes fresh. Anything they do is bad, nothing they do is good.
just fyi, its not a huge change but Heat 3 also drops more sulfuron ingots and rag loot drops earlier. so its not crazy diff but not just molten thingys. Also heat 1 does have fewer mechanics.
Kara Crypts is about as real as Santa Claus and the Easter bunny. Its not coming, its not happening.
If it's like Santa then it's a guarantee you mean?
Turtle wow
Considering that Santa is as real as you and me I think it is a guarantee then
Incursions: They thought long and hard and came up with a system that both fills your bags AND your questlog. Definitely experience wow players...
Im absolutely loving phase 4, I don’t understand the hate but different strokes
The difference between average players and mentally ill sweaties with expectations through the stratosphere. Nothing will ever satisfy these guys
SoD is a disappointment because of the missed opportunities and lackluster new content, courtesy of a skeleton crew of a dev team. But it's still enjoyable for what it is. It's still Vanilla content, on servers where not everything has been said and done for over 4 years. As a warrior, I've got mixed feelings about my class right now, but I enjoy progressing with my guild.
So, they just made a giant molten "Mr Hanky" as the new final boss for SOD's Molten Core
ragnaros is still the final boss. it's a bonus boss. It's like fighting cookie after van cleef.
I hate Blizzard so much lmao
StaySafe, respectfully bro, you're an intelligent guy. You should be able to see that Season of Discovery is the classic dev team DISCOVERING what the players do and don't like ahead of launching Classic+ (which at this point is all but confirmed after this interview, and the interview with Hammerdance). To get brand new art there's a lot pipeline and wait, the art team are working on TWW, and the future retail expansions as well. They're using this time to test, readjust and work in an Agile manner - In fact, everybody hated incursions, and then they pivoted to Thorium Brotherhood dailies which are a MASSIVE improvement.
I understand your whole thing is to be a Classic Supremacist (hey, me too btw), but don't let it cloud your vision and hide what they're doing.
its crazy to imagine that ur job is literlly being part of this ship sinking in real life time and not anything u can do about it....
The fact that they change stuff based on player feedback means they don’t know what they are doing? Wtf man what are those dumb takes
World boss change was a good one. Otherwise it would just be 1-2 sweatlord quilds, with fucking kitchen timers in their pockets killing em. I just wish they would implement rune vendor, for p.1-3 party/raid runes. Pointless pain in the ass to get em and just keeps new people from logging in.
GW2 has infinite times better World Bosses, they should copy them tbh.
Should come on back to Classic Era! We're livin it up over here!
I'm just waiting a seasonal version or any kind of version of Classic tailored for the dads with "200 jobs, 3000 wifes and 5000 children". It has been meme'd to hell but I still think that demographic deserves something chill to enjoy and also something to quickly progress through. Watching videos of people grinding hard for a set of armor (350+ hours)... running a dungeon 35+ times to get a single helmet or an extremely grinding questline for been able to raid kills my hype. I know that proposition may be an "anti-Classic" kind of take but I don't know... I'm just voicing what I would love to see.
Ebon and many other content creators are just bad interviewers. There one single interview from a guy with an Australian accent who made an interview where he was firing shots at the devs all the others were just asking BS question and they were over the moon because they are talking to aggrand
I love new Boss, but they should name It the ragnaros testicle.
Ragnarosticle
I don't think blizzard going to do anything new
I would go as far to say it has been not simply slop, but rather goyslop
repackaged old content...resold.
...nty!
You should watch the other two interviews. Countdown to classic podcast did an interview about 1hr and so did hammerdance. I think the hammerdance video is better, he specifically asks them about classic+. I wouldn't be surprised if there's more unknown interviews going to come out in the coming days by some random journalist website or something.
Phase 4 is okay. It's lvl 60 classic, if we farm MC for 3 months it'll become boring, doesn't matter what version. Blackrock eruption was a bloodbath and terrible at start because of griefing instances. It's much better now with the STV mechanic. Res timers are still a problem. Other than that, the quest dailies that are million times better than incursions, they're okay, nothing bad nothing great. It's daily quests and better to group, but without pvp griefing so even better than TBC isle dailies. Incursions felt so offbase, like I just entered a retail pre expansion event. MC heat levels, the whole reason this was the direction is to stay classic and not created normal MC, heroic MC, mythic MC. I've had players say they wish MC had mechanics like cata heroic raids. Others want 1 difficulty MC. I prefer 1 difficulty MC and then add a brand new 10 man raid as the SoD version of "heroic/mythic" raiding. Harder difficulty should come from the choosing which raid you do, not what difficulty of the raid you choose, i.e, choosing MC as easy raid vs naxx as harder raid.
They didn't completely change the resistance mechanics of the entire game, it all works the same. It's just that specifically in MC's heat levels they created hard caps so you have a pass/fail mechanic, like you're not appropriately attuned for this in the first place. Sweats cheesed it though. It's like an ilvl requirement in the form of resistance. By wearing resistance gear, you also become weaker, making the content harder. It's an interesting idea, but I don't think they should continue with resistance as difficulty or even multiple difficulties of one raid in general. It's copy paste of SoM mechanics, they changed it subtly. Heat 1 has a few less mechanics than heat 2 and 3. Of course they took SoM mechanics and used that as a base. Why would they completely redo all the mechanics to be completely different from SoM? The work is already done, they just expanded on it. It would be a waste of time for them to redo it all again. They just made tweaks to SoM mechanics in general and at each heat level. It's MC, boring lava cave. Also, who played SoM. Less than a thousand players. Even a smaller fraction of players than SoD's dwindling playerbase. I think something comparable to deviate delight's fresh relaunch miniscule population.
Why are you acting like this wasn't an experiment from the start, that's completely disingenuous or just plain stupid of you. They said those words multiple times, even you said it in your earlier videos. They aren't going back and calling this an experiment because something didn't work out. Rogue and warlock tanks are completely experimental. Experiments fail what are you even trying to prove? It seems like you're too emotionally or personally invested, it's clouding your vision. You aren't being fair, seeing things objectively or logically.
In SoD's announcement, you made a video called SoD pros and cons, and you were right about some things and wrong about others. Even you said that SoD was experimental, with foreign ideas of classes like rogue/lock tanks, mage healers, etc. In that video you said, that if they use SoD as a metric to determine whether to make classic+ or not, then it could be not work out. The truth is you're being a doomer. If that was the case, SoD should have never happened because of SoM's abysmal failure. So many idiots wanted to push the idea that SoD was classic+, but it seems the information is coming out now with the classic+ survey and the recent hammerdance interview that honestly it's all just beta testing for classic+. So then it comes to, what are the devs doing with SoD? Why are they testing X Y and Z for classic+? Look at SoM, what were they testing there? What were they trying to improve? Everything they do is reactive in trying to remedy or improve problems or weakpoints of the game in some shape or form. Personally, I think they are wasting their time hyperfocusing on that kind of stuff. It's what lead to incursions. The point is SoM didn't dictate and prevent SoD and neither does SoD dictate classic+. Not in the way you think though. If they released classic+ instead and called it that, a non seasonal server, how well do you think it would have gone? Seriously, minus all the crazy SoD stuff, when they add things like incursions. Saying SoD is dead is one thing, but if the new classic+ versions and servers are dead, then it's permanently over. Seasons are the wise decision for a team that has never developed content trying to keep in line with a 20 year old version of the game. OSRS is completely different as it occurred much more recently after RS2 happened. Also, OSRS is not a class based game. You can't poll class changes. It just won't ever work. You will always get bias. You can only poll features/systems that affect all players. Even OSRS has this problem when it comes to polling pvp or non pvp content. Requiring polling to make game design decisions is just stupid, it's just important to poll and see what the community is thinking. The problem is how much we don't get to know because they want to leave surprises. It's a big mistake on their part.
What you want is minor class changes, new leveling zones, new dungeons, new endgame raids, etc. Now think about this desire with everything we've learned. They have not had much of a budget or connection with the art team of Blizzard's multimillion dollar corporation until now. UNTIL PHASE 4, and we get a giant meatball core. It's pathetic. Clearly blizzard exec's still view this as a minimum viable product. They saw phase 1 success and were probably blown away, but there's clearly flaws with this whole idea of levelbands as the content creator, 720 zone, has pointed out. Great video he made about what went wrong with SoD. Realize this, they have not even started on any new raids art wise. They haven't even had the budget for it. They have ambition for it and they've been underplaying themselves because they know their own limitations. Read between the lines. Everything has been re-envisioned because it's all they can do. They are engineers and devs, not art team. They use existing stuff to make these abilities.
My question is how can you think minor class changes is enough. There's a reason they went with major class changes. It would be a boring season if only some of the classes that needed changes got them. So they made changes and interesting things for every class. The main focused classes though are ret/prot paladin, hunter, ele/enhance shaman, shadow priest, and druids in general. In truth, we just finished playing tbc/wrath and moved to cata where the same devs who made classic decided to upend and change tons about the game. The way stats and classes work, their key abilities, etc. They borrowed the class improvements from wrath and tbc spellbook and talent trees in SoD. Anyone calling SoD mop or retail is completely moronic. There's like a few spells per class from those later expansions, like Divine Steed. Paladin and shaman are basically copy paste wrath or tbc. Then just as few brand new abilities. No one was asking for warlock tanks, but they took the opportunity to see how would endgame dungeons fare out if there's more classes to as options for tanks. Honestly it worked, finding healers for dungeons has been harder than finding a tank. The original classic devs had vision for class fantasy, but not performance or mechanics. All of that was a failure. Those same devs, like Kevin Jordan, improved their original ideas and vision over time. Then someone else carried the torch, the gameplay desires of the community changed and so did the class design, and so on. Classic+ needs class changes. Nothing as extreme as SoD, but it's important that SoD goes to that extreme.
I think you should criticize them and the product, but there's no reason to be rude, immature or stupid about it. You're smarter than that. Be fair and logical so they can actually want to listen to your criticism and points. It would not be enjoyable for them to listen to you insult them or the chat insult their personal characteristics. It's not like one person owns this version of the game, they're just people that became employees of a company they decided to join for one reason or another. Think about what these devs were doing in 2019, they mostly just sat back and watched classic unfold. Very little changes until major things needed to be addressed. Mostly fixing bugs and whatnot. It would be awesome if they had some of the original devs to help them translate their vision and goals for the overall game, but it's a lot to study even if you watch every documentary about the making of WoW and the entire history of early MMORPGS and why they succeeded (Great video made by NeverKnowsBest about that). So with knowing that, it makes sense why they need seasons as guard rails to help them learn what to make and also learn what the community wants. The biggest issue is SoD cast a very wide net at first, onto even retail players, by adding things like shaman tanks for the very first time. So now there's community hate towards it from multiple communities and all for different reasons. SoD and classic+ should be for people who enjoy classic, whether that be era/tbc and a little bit of wrath. After that, the game changes too much. Anyone who wants classic era no changes and just new content is not the audience of classic+. That's a very small niche. Smaller than 2019 classic, it's the existing era playerbase. If they wanted to make classic+, they can add new raids to era and have classic+ have the new features and class changes. The problem with just wanting new raids, dungeons or zones/leveling zones is that players consume that content faster than the devs can produce it. They can't extend the longevity of the content enough. They've tried in retail. In a few weeks, a new zone will be swarmed and completed. Boring and forgotten. The big thing is rethinking the entire formula of mmorpgs, not just add new place to do the same stuff
"it is just retrofitted shit"
that is what the no changes group were clamoring for.
I wonder if we’re gonna keep our chars from sod on classic +
Classic plus = Kara… thats pretty much it
Yup. You probably should just unsub cuz you already know its trash
I'm starting to realize that no matter what blizzard does for classic and retail no one is ever going to be happy.... 😮💨
19:04 to be fair nether does the classic WoW team xD
P4 is good btw better than p2-3
Nah they all sucked
@@grilledleeks6514 Nah you just stupid.
Phase 4 is better but it does not have that magic apark that classic wow has, which really makes you wonder, how is the same game, but with more stuff added ontop somehow worse than just the normal game
@@agentdelta569 Classic era has no spark. It never has, alot of people quit very quickly in 2019.
@@peppermint3808 im sorry but i just disagree, classic was a fun time, and you could feel it in the player base, i know not everyone loved it, and thats fine but classic was legitimately special
You skipped out on the last question of the interview where they confirmed Classic + is coming after SoD. If you don’t like SoD thats ok, It seems Classic era is more your thing but the SoD population speaks for itself. Even with the population SoD has currently its still double what Classic Era has. Lastly, 18 months from now either Classic + will be released or SoD will be a permanent server like hardcore became.
That whole Deviate Delight reroll movement has already died down since players have hit 60 so fresh servers are basically worthless.
the heat system is a psyop to get people to play mythic plus
6:35 he is absolutely right, they tried selling this as classic+ and now that half the stuff they added feels lazy theyre saying its just a test realm basically.
Wtf are you talking about. Its explicitly been called a testing ground since day one. Please just stop playing bro
@rosspritchett8423 no bro, this was their classic+ until people started hating on it. Phase 1 warrior rune inside of a spider cave you had to kill a bird... you can't defend that.
@claytongiampaolo7848 you cannot be helped man. They never once referred to it as classic plus. You are not a reliable source of feedback because you're melodramatic and dishonest.
@rosspritchett8423 I already tried finding the clip and failed, I don't really feel like spending an hour trying to justify my statement. Chic said you get to play classic(pause)plus discover it in a new way.. uggh I'm ganna try to link this I guess
@@rosspritchett8423 can't find it because distorted information
19:43 dead 😭🤣
I like sod
6:10 okay then bye
This video wasn’t showing on my history for like an hour
was never interessted in SoD... sounded not very exiting to me
Why not just take a play out of retails book for an arguably pretty great system... We have crests in Dragonflight to upgrade itemlevel on gear. Why not have multiple versions of your tier and crafted pieces on the thorium brotherhood that you can continue to bring lava or fiery cores/other mats such as reals to and you can upgrade a tier piece or crafted piece up to 4 times but instead of arbitrarily bumping up it's ilvl and stats it just bumps up the fire resistance on it. That way you could eventually just wear you full raid Bis 8 piece set and it be far more than enough fire resistance without needing to swap in and out pieces?
It would add a deeper progression system and something to work towards
and yet again Boomies ignored by the masses, no good gear, no cool stuff, stupid set bonuses..
Staysafe delusional as always. They never called SoD Classic+. They were very careful not calling it exactly that. Everyone was calling SoD a test for whatever Classic+ would be from the very start. Content creators such as yourself might have hyped it up to be that but Blizzard never sold SoD as Classic+.
Phase 4 is good, dude. At some point you have to realize your seeing red and not in a reasonable mindset to be commenting on SoD
Cope harder.
Sod is a paid ptr
watching staysafe makes me glad im not a miserable, hating, toxic, classic andy.
I have been enjoying all of the modes classic era, hardcore, sod for some parts, mop remix, plunderstorm, and retail.
Watching him go on and on and that whole psyop bit? Like god forbid a classic cultist tries another mode and finds out its not as bad as his bubble tells him it is and they lose another boomer cultist. Like jesus.
Lol @ thinking Shenna hasn’t made a million dollars off Turtle-WoW
The moment you said Turtle wow, I had to get off the video. That private server is pure cope.
I played on it for 2 years and it was amazing until the Chinese came. Torta pandered to them because they were buying so many mounts and making a fortune. The server is hot garbage now, littered with Chinese hunter bots and the devs do not care. They are keeping the server alive for the Chinese players, not because they love the game. It’s a cash cow for them.
Dont the chinese play on the Chinese turtle wow server these days though?
I feel like the only people who are not enjoying SoD are people who dont know what they actually want out of a "classic+" We are getting to play a fun wacky version of warcraft in a way that we have never gotten to experience it.
Let this actual brain rot die.
Well considering the current player numbers it would be a mistake for Blizzard to make a classic+ game mode based in sod p3 performance. Perhaps it can bounce back p4.
Sod = Dos, Spanish number for retail minus < which equal / blizzard mentality
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I’m having a blast with SOD. If it’s not for you, it doesn’t mean it sucks. Just not your cup of tea.
They should hire Twow team
The university testing analogy is the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a while.
Who ever thought we get more than this is delusional
There are free servers ran by 5 people with 12000x the content as this dog pile. Accepting sod as a product worth paying monthly for, is moronic.
@@bluburryyumyum1367 sad but true
I dont agree with you, i think most of SoD as being possitive, ofc P3 was very very bad, i dont think SoD is that bad as you think, P4 is the best so far and i always know that SoD was just a sesson, and about the Gear Upgrade i cant equip .. its a lie you will beyond the cap for H2 even without your Xama or Paladin
hot take. sod's community is the worst thing about it. a bunch of classic andys that think they know everything about the game yet truly know nothing and everyone performance shows. its either super "hardcore" guilds or "dad" guilds. the later is always the worst.
You sound like a Classic Andy tho.
The devs brought up a great point about not being able to just make new zones because it requires an art team. The 150 xp boost can be toggled off too BTW. Just seems like the game is being gatekept. Like people enjoy SoD. Not everyone but people enjoy it enough to justify them still developing it. Seems like a moment where parents are trying to force their kids to enjoy something that they themselves enjoyed 20 years ago....
Players don't give a fuck about the billion dollar companies internal issues, such as not having art.... they pay to play the game and it's fucking dogshit.
@@bluburryyumyum1367when did you unsub
@@rosspritchett8423 halfway through phase 2
Phase 4 is great
I find it crazy how youre mad that demonfall is retrofitted content when less than 2 minutes before that your were mad about no scarlet or karazan crypts raid when we already know that would be retrofitted content because the locations that would be used would be locations that are already in the game. On top of that you keep saying you HAVE to have 226 fire res when that's not the case at all you can do MC heat0 with NO fire res and one shot every boss you get fire res to do the harder difficulties. You would be called an absolute dummy if you said this in any other current version of wow because the equivalent of what you're saying is that nobody could raid because the only difficulty for the raid is mythic completely dismissing normal and heroic mode.
Your game fucking sucks stop the cope.
wah wah
Bro you will never be satisfied lol
one might ask the question; why aren't you just playing turtle wow then?
you're really turning into a mega andy dude.
sod phase 4 is booming, i dunno what you are talking about.
we might not have gotten a new raid, but many of us didn't play SoM so the new mechanics in heat 2 and 3 MC are new to the vast majority of players and on top of that we got a brand new dungeon which you curiously neglected to talk about at all, not even a mention.
i fully agree that phase 3 was dogwater and possibly the worst content i've ever seen, but phase 4 is pretty good so far ngl.
sure we'll hit a point where we just start raidlogging, but if they can keep the pace up from here that should be minimal downtime before BWL and potentially some other new raid.
i'll admit i'll be disappointed if its just same old BWL and a new dungeon again.
i expect new raids as promised at blizzcon, and i expect them every new phase from hereon out.
as someone who never had a chance at the world bosses due to pvp griefing in vanilla i was very negatively surprised about just how easy they are.
literal pushovers when there is no pvp present.
actual loot pinatas.
If u dont like sod stop bitching about it and go play era
Is this guy ever positive lol
Why do you review SoD p4 videos when u have no interest playing the game, oh content..