The Fine Line Between MTB Upgrades and Addiction: How Far is Too Far?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ค. 2024
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On my last video, I explained why you should upgrade your current bike instead of buying a new one. BUT sometimes upgrading your mountain bike can get out of hand. In fact, upgrading your bike can be downright addictive! That’s what today’s video is all about.
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Performance elite is identical to factory minus the kashima, no damper upgrade, just change the air spring to change the travel….
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@@JaredHoffyeah air spring upgrade would have set you back maybe $100 but yeah I guess I’d made sense if you already had the fork
I like the fork. Green and orange match perfectly. Some of those forest green Ergon grips with oil slick would go perfectly with that cockpit. Maybe get a brown leather seat 🙂
No Evan. This don't match. Sometimes less is more 😉
Thanks man! Truly appreciate you taking time to drop a comment. Those upgrades could look amazing. Unfortunately, I’m broke now 😂
Brown leather seats are perfect for that huge rockslide on a rainy day, glad to see you survived the tornadoes Evan!
@@JaredHoff that's poor people thinking finance a new Yeti and everything will be solved!
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WTF? Sound like a bunch of women matching their shoes to their purse!
This exactly why I build my bikes from scratch. Every components were on sale. No point spending 3G on a bike and still have to upgrade, may as well build something from the wheels up.
It makes more financial sense but this is just the route I end up going most of the time. Get the bike now, ride it stock for a bit, then start upgrading. Keep the stock parts so I can transfer upgrades to my next bike.
I think black stem would look better. More boring yes? But then IMO silver color clashes with the gold kashima. Thanks for the vid tho. Well done.
Thanks for the feedback 👍
I like the cockpit, but not keen on the fork. I think the OME fork looked better on the bike in black.
I knew some people would feel that way. But I also like the unique way each person upgrades their bike. Always interesting to see 👍
I think you totally NAILED it! 🤩 Love how the orange and green look together, and the kashima blends in perfectly. Good choice on the stem too, if anything it matches the lettering on the handlebar 👏 Bravo Sir 👏 I think the stoke factor is a great point, totally worth it if it helps motivate you to get out and have some fun 😎
Thanks man. Truly appreciate taking time to leave that feedback 👍🤘
2 Thumbs up for great content! Really dig the orange fox fork with your frame color. This video hits close to home. I ride a 2012 yeti bigtop hardtail. I recently upgraded the handlebars from 700 to 730mm added a 100mm fox 34sc and shimano xtr 4 pot brakes. Was finally able to get her like I have always wanted but the wallet took a hit. The changes are definitely worth it as I have noticed increase speed and have much better grip and comfort over rougher terrain. Plus saved lots of money compared to buying a new bike.
Heck yeah 👍 sounds like you got an amazing bike.
Bike looks killer! Digging your channel and the regular uploads! Keep it up bro 👊
Thanks man. Truly appreciate the support
Love the music while workin on the bike at 5:00
Just buy a frame and build it up. These preferences are getting out of hand on TH-cam. 😂 You've been able to explain how you can get carried away with part swapping. Good video!!!
Thanks for taking time to leave a comment man. I definitely need to do a frame up build next time.
Wouldn't matter what these people start with and hand selected every component, they would still ride it for a day and then come back and talk about all the upgrades it needs.
I love what you did. No such thing as too much upgrade. If it makes you happy it is definitely worth it.
Agree 👍 But my bank account doesn’t 😂
Life is too short - Enjoy what you did!
Hello. My name is Steezy and I’m a upgradaholic. Love the fork and frame color! I think it’s worth noting that even on high end bikes, sometimes the stock builds have a lot to be desired. Seat, dropper, wheels, bar and stem are just a few examples of upgrades that make it personal to the buyer’s comfort and riding style. Most high end bikes don’t even come with pedals. I always try to purchase upgrades that will be used on my next bike too. I tend to buy new bikes every two years or so and sell my older bike to offset costs. That being said, I always save the stock parts I took off to put back on when it’s time to trade up or sell. Most people buying your used bike don’t see the value of your upgrades or have plans to upgrade to their preference anyway, so it’s wise to hold on to your stock parts. Last thing I would add, bikes are personal and the money you spend to customize it to you has value. Stay within your budget though. I have saved thousands of dollars before on a new bike because I could buy the lower spec knowing I’m going to swap and upgrade anyway.
Love how you started the comment 👍 10” agree with what you said.
Super dope great video
Thank you 👍
It’s amazing how much wheels can make a difference In feel.
For sure 💯 👍
Looks mint. I think upgrades are what makes your bike yours. I can't remember having a bike a leaving it stock! If that's what gets you stoked to ride then what else matters!
Definitely 👍
Thank you for the video. I think we all struggle with the upgrade addiction. I don't mind the grips, but I would consider everything else unnecessary.
Thanks for taking time to comment man 👍
I think it’s worth it depending on:
How much you ride
How hard you ride/hard on the components you are
Also, how long you might have the bike.
Complete waste of time and money if you plan on selling your bike each year and getting the latest model from whatever company.
But if you’re going to have it for at least a few seasons, I think it makes sense.
I did the same with the Slash. Just over a few seasons.
I couldn’t spent the 9,000 up front. So I bought a lower build, and did one major thing each season. And I’m stoked.
Everyone will have a different opinion.
And I think what you’ve done here with this bike is perfect for you, and I would probably be right there with you.
Maybe way over the top for some riders. All depends on case by case, or rider by rider scenario.
Also, bike looks epic in the end.
Curious how you’re liking the shorter travel compared to the slash?
Great content as always. 👊
Awesome comment. So much good stuff in it. To answer about shorter travel versus Slash… part of me will always miss my Slash but I would never want the new high-pivot one. I’m currently riding this 135m trail bike and a 170m enduro bike. It’s hard choosing which one to ride sometimes. I often prefer the 170m, but the trail bike handles so much since I’ve thrown the 150 fork on it.
@@JaredHoff sick! Good answer. Thanks. I agree. I’m in no rush to ride a high pivot. lol
Old dogs eh!? 😂👊
Looks like Green White stem and Orange-I like it!
Thanks 👍
I’ve tried the PNW, Wolf Tooth short and long, One Up components and Shimano dropper remote. The one up components remote is the smoothest and best feeling by far.
Nice 👍 thanks for dropping that knowledge. Getting the right dropper lever makes a huge difference
did you try Fox dropper lever? I tried a bunch and Fox is the one I liked the most.
I'm curious how this stem will do with rapid temp changes, with and without Loctite 243.
like taking the bike out in -10C Riding in the summer temp starts at 20C and ends at 30C.
With Loctite 243 Renthal Apex 35 passed the test. holds on for many months. Without it will loosen. But will this one?
Nobody seems to be testing this. I first tried it in 50mm, it performed so well, was so secure I went for it on my G1 in 33mm.
But this stem got my seal of approval.
But 31.8 31mm might have issues with cracking, I read a comment about this. But that might be just that size. or unlucky rider with a faulty one.
But Race Face Atlas did not do well at all, it performed very poorly, loosened despite using Loctite 243 that has been cured. it just wore it off. clamping plate came loose, bar spun, that was with taking the bike out in -10C, also had issues during the summer where bar got loose, and the stem was sliding up the steerer tube, making the headset loose. It was hopeless, had to check before, during and after each ride. Got annoying.
So before anyone recommends a stem I think they should do these tests.
So if you will do a review of it, test it like that.
I've not tried Trail1 yet. they sure look good.
There are some "upgrades" that have to be done to any bike. Grips, saddle and pedals. These are the basics to change to what you are comfortable with. Anything after that, needs to increase the performance greatly. I can see tires as doing that. In this case, the extra 20mil fork travel was a good upgrade. The stem is one I see as frivolous. I replaced my stem recently, but only because I changed from flat bar to drop bar, and it was a change in bar diameter.
@@miloontheready7814 you make some good points. Stem makes a difference when you’re changing the length. But I’m definitely guilty of upgrading things that don’t improved performance much
I think it’s just up to you. The fork was the biggest unnecessary upgrade but since you had one or maybe someone else could buy from a friend or on sale and get for 50% off. The pedals are buying a small company product from an American company and I always support that.
Agree about supporting 5DEV. A friend actually wanted to buy the fork off me but I’m glad I put it on this bike. Loving it 🤘
It looks good. I like it.
Thanks 👍
I definitely have an addiction problem but there’s no better flat pedal currently on the market than 5Dev. They are super thin, wide, and have more grip than any other pedal. If your riding desert terrain 3mm means a lot, saves a lot of pedal strikes. 5Dev pedals and cranks are the first change I make to all my bikes
Heck yeah! Small company making everything in USA as well so it’s hard for them to get their prices as low as others.
I have an Ethirteen dropper lever but i have also used and still use stock dropper levers on my bikes. While a Beariing i the lever might feel a tad smoother in the hand, once on the bike and while riding, especially when wearing gloves, there is no real difference. The seat post doesnt operate any different. The lever simply pulls a cable. The post operates how it was designed regardless as long as the cable is smooth. Now if you just want to bling it out..then by all means get that bling. 😊
I disagree. The dropper lever upgrade makes it easier to action and quicker to engage the seatpost. The same way upgrading your shifter can make the shifting cable actuate the derailure faster. But we each do different upgrades for different reasons so I respect your opinion 👍
the fork was the biggest necessary upgrade for any bike. so is the shock! then wheelset, followed by brakes. lastly drivetrain. 😅
Shocking, but yeah Indeed
That’s a great order to upgrade in 👍
This is why you start with a good frame first.
After you upgrade all the components, you will realize this.
I think there are so many good frames these days that it’s really personal preference.
If you want to go for maximum price:
EEWings cranks
TrickStuff or Intend brakes
Sram AXS dropper post
Sram Transmission
Those are definitely some expensive parts. I don’t purposely buy the most expensive parts, just get carried away sometimes with my upgrades 🤦🏼♂️ lol
There is ALWAYS “just a couple more things”😂😂😂. My wife will testify to this problem I have.
😂 👍
The Hunt wheels are a great value upgrade. They are durable, have great engagement, and the price is no a bank buster. I paid full price for my first set and got a discounted second set through their Re:New program
I’m hoping the Hunt wheels will stand the tests of time.
@@JaredHoff I’ve been running my V2 trails for 2.5 years and no issues!
The upgrades are really nice. Does Polygon offer a similar build as your upgrades (minus the 5Devs) and at what cost? It is usually more fiscally sound to buy the bike you want new, if you have the upfront $.
The T9 is the top tier Polygon trail bike. They try to keep their prices low so they don’t offer a higher spec’d build.
@@JaredHoff They need a carbon lineup. They have really turned the industry on it's ear w lower priced quality bikes. I think Polygon is established enough to take the next step.
Grips is a must upgrade for me. I go with Nukeproof stuff mostly but with the fork, that's way too rich for my blood.
Grips for sure 👍
Upgrade your hubs to Industry 9 hydra hubs with 690 points of engagement. I think upgrading the hubs would make a big difference.
I have i9 hubs on my enduro bike
Last video you had i9 wheels on, you going to run them on certain trails and hunts on others?
The i9 wheels are on my Collosus N9, which is also a green polygon bike but a different shade of green.
I like it, looks like a tank on a duck fishing trip somehow!
Sorry I like to anthropomorpize a bit, you can never go too far, I'm currently machining my own suspension link in order to break more sh*t.
My trail bike plateaued so...
Seriously thinking about building a old school huck bike with 42 mm legs I have from my dirtbike upgrade.
theoretically I could press fit a aftermarket steer tube into a modified mx triple clamp...
Yay new parts!
Nice 👍
The problem w the Fox Factory fork is now you gotta upgrade the rear shock to Fox Factory. It just looks sicker even though there's no substantial performance benefit. 😅
You’re right 😂
I think if you can do the work yourself and save your old parts, upgrading a bike is cool because if you outgrow the bike but still like certain parts, you can remove the upgrades and put the old parts back on the bike. Plus the person who buys the bike is also getting a deal since those old parts put away have less wear and tear on them.
Totally agree. I always try to keep my stock parts for that exact reason. I actually made a video about that lol
Eventually the lines can be blurred between is my hobby mountain biking or upgrading my bike?
Got to keep riding for sure 👍 I’m taking one of my upgraded bikes on an epic road trip this weekend to ride 🤘
I hate adding new stuff or upgrades to my bike. It’s a headache and I can’t imagine it changes my riding that much.
I love upgrading my bike. Little differences but they all add up and make the bike perfect for you.
When you said "full blown upgrade addiction", I was thinking 5dev cranks.
Those are on my enduro bike lol… I ran out of money before getting that far on this bike 😬
You didn't take it to far 😊.
I did. The only thing original on my bike is the crank 😂.
And nice build by the way 🤙
1 last thing i would have went for the carbon bars
Thanks 👍 I’ve actually got a set of the new Trail One carbon bars in the mail right now lol
But things I did:
Shimano Deore rear derailleur. Save money, and don't make my wallet hurt when I potentially destroy one.
I invested in Garbaruk cassette, it's cheaper and lighter than Sram, Shimano top offerings. But if you want cheap and smooth shifting and don't might the weight, Deore M6100 ( 12 speed Microspline) & M5100(11 speed HG) cassettes is nice. Super heavy, but super smooth shifting. Smoother than the Garbaruk. But Garbaruk gets smoother as it wears in a bit. Deore has fragile plastic spacers, so I swapped those out for XT spacers I had. But probably won't be an issue under use, but fiddling with it you might destroy them, they snap easily, I tried just to test it.
For comfort and make rough terrain easier on my hands I opted for Revgrips. Complete overkill on commuter/city/shopping bike.
Some great tips there man. I agree that Garbaruk doesn’t shift as well under load. If money was no issue, I’d definitely replace my Garbaruk cassette for an XT.
@@JaredHoff It shifts really well now, just not initially. Still good at the start.
There are much worse addictions 🤷♂️. I hope the bike brings you joy!
Most definitely 👍
So many videos telling people that a $2000 upgrade is not necessary but at the same time making people feel good about a $1000 upgrade . ☺
It all comes down to the individual and how they balance what they WANT versus NEED for their bike.
I build my bike from the ground up because otherwise I would feel I’m a foolish myself thinking that I bought a good bike for a descent price to end up changing 80% of it ( like you said it is not necessary but if it’s done I would feel that way. Money related, joy related it’s a different story) I have my eyes on the hunt wheels thanks
I’ve always wanted to do a frame up build 👍
If you got the money, and the bike already is very good and you want to make it better, why not. Like better engagement, better tyres, better fork. some things you just have to swap out to suit you like grips, saddle, pedals. But you can't make a XC bike into a hardcore hardtail, and spend tons of money on it.
But upgrading a crappy bike with some parts can make sense like cranks, saddle, grips, pedals, as you can transfer them over to a new build.
Upgrading to latest model is not always needed. I have a Geometron G1, superb bike, but a new version is out. But this thing is so great I don't really have to.
But with my Geometron G1, Only upgrade I think I sohuld upgrade to is better hub engagement. Not sure on what yet. And definitely don't need to buy the new 2025 G1. My bike already has so many good parts, and spced how i would have spec'ed it for the most part. Definitely go back to Sapim brass spoke nipples.
DT Swiss ones I have aren't as good, I rounded one off with the nipple driver T handle. But otherwise seem to be holding up fine. But Sapim I know takes lots of abuse.
And another thing is tubeless tape that doesn't lift, leak. my front wheel is like it's cursed. Gorilla tape leaked at the front, so did Stan's, and now WTB. I taped it perfectly, adhesive seems decent.
Heck yeah 👍
Was it too far? No! You have spare parts for the next build. A Fox Factory in podium gold might be too far, but would it look amazing?
Podium gold 🤔 LOL they did take it a bit too far with those gold forks lol
My Deity Seatpost clamp makes my bike jump so much better.
Heck yeah 🤘 The mental game changers are everything.
If the frame is good enough, it doesn't matter how much you spend on upgrades. Just don't spend on somethin that doesn't fit or does something special for you
You make a good point
Where is the before and after comparison? Is the bike lighter? Does it ride better? Was it worth it?
I’ve been doing a bunch of upgrade vids so you can look back and see what I’ve done,,, BUT you make a good point. Maybe I’ll do a final video where I show all the upgrades versus stock and do rides on the bike in both configuration to see if it actually made a difference.
@JaredHoff thanks... I mean, you may have even posed the question at the beginning of the video from what I recall if it was worth doing all that unless I heard it wrong, so that's what was missing... was the bike better after all that?
Go waxed chain,. Out of everything, having a silent, non-greasy drivetrain was the best of all my upgrades.
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I think it looks ugly with the upgrades, that being said if your cockpit feels off then you may have to change bars or stem or both If it’s way off. Dropper post lever is fair,grips and pedals and seat are personal choice items. The reason I’m giving my opinion is I purchased a colossus N9 and the only thing I have changed is the pedals from my old bike the seat is comfortable the grips I like, everything was the right size according to the sizing chart. I tested a shorter stem and promptly took it off, the moral of the story here is if you get on the bike and think to yourself I could do things on this bike it’s good to go as is.
Heck yeah man 👍 it’s all about what gets you stoked to ride your bike. We all have different wants and needs.
The factory fork was a little over the top. You could have just changed the air-spring on the stock fork for $75 or less and saved yourself $1200. But hey, if you like orange... actually you probably could have had the stock fork custom painted. You essentially totaled the bike with the cost of these upgrades haha why didn't you just get a 5k bike with all the nice parts stock and a carbon frame? Or if you like customizing, why not get a Carbon frame with cheap components and then swap out parts so when you're done you have a carbon frame with really nice components on it?
I hear ya. My videos definitely aren’t designed to be “how to” vids… rather just me being honest about the times I’ve possibly taken upgrades too far and hopefully helping others make the right choice for them.
Upgraditis.
Definitely 🤦🏼♂️
if yove got the money to upgrade to kashima for 10 extra mm of travel , it really doesnt matter if youre spendin on a bike cuz youd obv have a shit ton of money lol.
thats not really how you calculate your bikes new value.
now i understand the logic behind the bs prices on market place though.
The wheel set is probably the best part of the upgrades, everything else is unnecessary
You’re not wrong. That’s kind of what sparked this video. My constant need to upgrade bikes 🤦🏼♂️
Sad to see all this BS upgrades. I have the T9. All I did was swap out the pedals only because I ride clipless. Added....added tannus liners and the rest is stock.
Bike rides great as is with 900 miles on it. And my bank account is happy. This is also an add for Trail components. Did we really watch him swap out handlebars? Stem is ugly to me. I see riders make all these changes, yet lack conditioning and endurance. But - it's your bike. ❤
I’m not sure how to take this comment but I’ll try to stay positive. Glad you got the T9 amazing bike. Stoked for you!
Bike upgrades should be based on skill. If the bike you have hinders your progress or has reached its limits time to upgrade. Other than that you'll just be wasting money.
I get what you’re saying but I like having a bike that looks like a Pro even though I’m and average Joe lol
The orange Fox fork doesnt match.
Thanks for the feedback. I love it, but I also like how everyone’s bikes look different and reflect their own unique personality.
@@JaredHoff I get that, but look how many different colors you now have on the bike. Green, black, silver, gold, orange..even blue! Too much bro.
Awsome looking grips
But the name hells gate sounds trashy and cheap
I do like trail 1 thoe
Trail 1 parts are named after some of the founder’s favorite trails.
Like mentioned below its names after the trail and $1 from each sale goes back to that trail association to support that trail. I’ll make sure to mention that in future videos.
"Did you took it too far?"
Nah.
**Orders new bike**
lol 😂
I'm all for upgrades, but youve spent ridiculous amounts on $$$ when all you needed was grips, a can of silver & orange paint and a few more PSI in your shocks! 😂
You’re not wrong, but the bike feels so right to me now. I spent too much but love this bike now.
@@JaredHoff Tsk, what we do for love.
Too far?
Ain’t no such place.
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Funny title. I had to click
The stock bar and stem is so ugly to me haha. I don't mind the stock grips, but always nice to upgrade those too
Ha ha! Thanks for the feedback man. You’ve done some special bike upgrade vids 👍
How do you know when you took it too far? When you’ve spent 3 times on upgrades then what you paid for said bike 😂
I hear ya. I knew at least one person might feel that way 👍
Did you take it too far? Only you really know. It's your money. Who are we to say. If you're happy that's all that matters, really.
For sure 👍