Benefits Of BJJ Drilling: Enhancing Techniques For Beginners
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ม.ค. 2024
- Is drilling techniques for Jiu-Jitsu still Relevant? Do you drill your submissions and sweeps?
Joey, JT, and special guest Adam Childs discuss the importance of drilling in jiu jitsu, why it's not a black and white issue, and at what stage in your journey you can start to use concepts to your advantage. There are a few schools of thought from the "No Drilling" camp and the "Ecological Approach" to learning- this is a deep discussion on learning for beginners in BJJ and why taking your time matters.
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It's so weird no one defines drilling v not drilling before having this conversation
Every high-level athlete in any sport drills but that's not the only thing they do. You have to drill , situational spaar and roll with a purpose.
As a long time wrestler/coach. The thing that BJJ misses is sparring. The middle ground of limp drilling and live rolls. When you learn a move, there is reason to drill on a limp body. But you should, very quickly, move on to a minimal resistance with that ratcheting up bit by bit. It is your partners job to sort of measure your partners ability and give them a reasonable amount of challenge and "feel" when they drill. Don't be an ass, don't be a limp noodle. This is different than a game with limits or only teaching concepts, it's just executing a technique with your partner giving reasonable reactions.
Lots of schools do that in bjj
Yeah that’s the thing there’s no universal way to do jiu jitsu. Even at one gym, some people might drill that way and others might not.
But idk why I’m arguing practicing a little basic resistance is good once you know a movement.
I’m a white belt and I feel like we do too much sparring but too little conditioning. Like wrestlers or judokas actually workout, vs bjj guys just drill and roll for the most part from what I’ve experienced
@@Pler1978 1. in my experience, a large majority don't. 2. The ones that do, still only apply a low amount of resistance, say 30%.
For reference, this is what makes wrestling workout so "hard". Of course naturally takedowns are more tiring than submissions, but really, it's the active resistance with EVERY rep that makes the training so brutal. The fact that you are physically and mentally challeneged with every rep. I don't believe you see that in BJJ, but you can show me otherwise.
I would disagree with Adam that just because you can't understand instructions doesn't mean you can't figure things out on your own.
I got roped into a dance class and couldn't understand the instructions at all and I seemed positively stupid. But if I could watch others do it for a while then I could step in and do it very well.
Same with juggling. I tried doing the thing with two balls as most learn to do and couldn't it at all. But after watching a bit of juggling, I was able to pick it up and juggle three balls with virtually no practice at all.
Great chat. I think `intentional drilling’ is how I might describe it..actually thinking about what you’re doing and being present. I also think so much depends on the partner you are working with. The no drill idea is a marketing ploy you’re completely right. Drilling is programming the body, creating muscle memory etc. Once you get there then you become creative and do less maybe as the gentleman says.
Muscle memory isn't a thing. The moment the variables change even slightly, muscle memory would necessarily become a liability, not a benefit.
@@KodiakCombat I’m not sure how to describe it, some sort of connection between brain and muscle. The ability to throw a hook correctly, the ability to do a spinning roundhouse, only the occasional outlier who is already extremely athletic can watch and simply do one. Most ppl walking in off the street look ridiculous doing them and it’s the same with Jiu Jitsu. Whatever the semantics, repitition is the only way to improve and programme these moves as a beginner. After that it’s probably more about actual sparring time, fine tuning but drilling has its place I believe. Open to being wrong though as always.
@Patrick-sh9tt it isn't a semantic argument. Pursuit of the perfect technique is a waste of time. Yes people throw crappy punches, if all they do is mitts their punches can get very crisp. Until the first time they spar. Better to let them throw a lot of crazy punches while playing games and mixing up combos.
Only part you need to understand on a punch is hitting with a straight wrist and landing on specific knuckles. People make things complex.
But you need lots of reps for sure. Under pressure and with resistance.
Another example is shooting at paper. Needs pressure. People with perfect groupings shooy like ish when pressure is added. Maybe add the pressure right away.
@@KodiakCombat I think I’m saying pretty much what you’re saying but in a different way. The perfect technique thing is done thing I’ve done(Karate/Aikido/JJJ) and I know how much of a waste of time it can be when the goal is to move your wrist 5 inches to the left..awful stuff. That said, BJJ has so much to it that is far from intuitive and needs reps. Mindless, going through the motion stuff no, but some sort of staggered approach from techniques to live sparring is certainly needed. I do also find that filling in the gaps is a great way to go about it, whereby the instructor monitors and adds techniques, concepts or movements where they see a gap in someone’s game. So it’s a very sophisticated approach but I think the guys are right that somehow inventing it or finding it out is never going to happen…suddenly people just start stumbling across techniques that were catalogued over centuries in Japan and later modified in Brazil through countless years of Luta Livre fights and full time training..highly unlikely.
@@Patrick-sh9tt I responded to this video with a list of names who actually are applying the concepts they are strawmanning. Just listened to a really solid podcast from Sonny Brown with Kabir Bath on how he stopped teaching techniques. Kabir was also on Elbows Tight chatting about it. Ed Ingamells did a great podcast with the White Basement Podcast. If you want more actual information.
Why not name Greg Souders? Name Scott Sievewright. Name Kit Dale. Name Priit Mikhelson. Name Chris Paines. Name Kabir Bath. It is easy to take the piss out of people when they aren't present and named.
"This is ridiculous" is not an argument.
I look forward to you having Greg or Scott or Kabir on to actually discuss what they are doing. Not someone building a strawman.
The problem has already been solved, simply teach the tech in a group, allow students to drill the tech then give time to specific training to develop concept and framework around the tech, also allow time for students to ask questions, tech is simply a devilry system / support structed of concept / principle or vice Verser depending of the goal you are trying to achieve.
These ausies are jacked
You should rolls with them hahahaha
@@Jeffro5564 I want to
I'm concepts over techniques all day, but to deny technique instruction all together is to deny the silent killer of jiujitsu; the false positive
You're going to be left with home training syndrome, where you think you're doing moves right and tapping out your friends because they're complete shitters that tap from discomfort, not because they're in any real danger
If you don't spend time actually practicing finishing mechanics of a heel hook for example on various body types and repping it out to get a feel for where the pressure should be and how to make those adjustments, you will never develop the sensitivity for it and will never tap someone that doesn't suck
So if you give me a coach that says they've never even once taught breaking mechanics I'll give you a liar