@@ikaeksen And your point being?...Indeed this, further to you having taken your unoriginal cue from jackdawcaw given your inability to think!: To quote Paul Keating, "unless you're 'scripted', you're useless"!
Perhaps, when you’ve worked in this field for many years, you’ll be able to share your ideas just as eloquently! Practice makes perfect, as the saying goes!
Lionel is an amazingly wise scholar who I was privileged to study under at Pacifica. It is wonderful to be able to relive some of my experiences of him through this video.
I can only imagine how great it was. I've been diving into Jung's work and have gained immense insight into my unconscious and it's power on my waking life though dream analysis.
In my experience most academically trained people defend themselves from deeper existential experiences, where as traumatized people do not even have the luxury. So in a therapeutic relationship the traumatized person is often more informed and aware than the therapist as to the specifics of trauma, but the therapist in such a situation can always provide a link to the conventional organized society without even knowing the depth of the traumatized. But if a therapist simply defends themselves from the existential experience of their client then they really can do damage invalidating very important experiences that the client will have. I had a brother who died recently. We both had deep trauma issues. I often judged him for not being able to pick himself up. But I realize that this may have been very unfair as it seems he experienced the trauma on a deeper level than I did and had to work it out. He was not me, my experience was not his, so dictating any answer what so ever was not the right way to go, but honest non-judgmental dialogue was a better relationship. But I also understood at times I had a better capacity to talk and distill the information into symbols of mutual understanding. In other-words my counter transference was often too judgmental. But when I approach his suffering in symbolic language I found the link. Jung understood that symbolic language would have a multiplicity of meaning but also a kernel of shared meaning. This shared meaning still links us with each other and yet we experience it and express it in different ways.
This is an excellent exploration by Dr. Liionel Corbett on the efficacy of Depth Psychology. In a world or corporate management of mental health, the uniqueness of the individual can be narrowed to fit into adaption to the larger cultural infrastructure instead of guiding the individual to health and wholeness by following the soul's promptings towards becoming who he or she truly is.
How correct Dr. Corbett is. If the psyche is not taken into account, we end up training people to be well behaved foot soldiers of the army of radical and narrow empirical psychology. This creates only symptom reduction, and does not address the main reason of suffering the person is going through, and this problem could again manifest in a variety of ways. The unconscious must be addressed and healed for the person concerned, to move forward. This can be addressed by transference, countertransference, and relational aspects of psychotherapy. The object of psychotherapy is to make the person whole or as close to it as possible, and not a consequence of their behavior.
What an exquisite description. I have been Licensed Therapist for years and found your words so moving. Beautifully said. A Rogerian foundation must be at the heart of the relationship. Being present with a client is simple. Being present with compassion can be extremely difficult.
Where you mentioned the defense against dealing with actual suffering is exactly what I've said and thought for quite some time. Incredible job of synthesising these points.
Thank you, Dr. Lionel Corbett! I've been through a dual masters degree program in clinical and transpersonal therapy that didn't come anywhere near this level of wisdom and helpfulness. I didn't know that Pacific Graduate Institute existed in 1979 when I entered grad school, or I would have enrolled at Pacifica instead! I am very grateful for the ongoing training I'm getting from your books and these videos, along with what I'm learning from others of similar depth, like Dr. Joseph Cambray. I had the good fortune to hear Marion Woodman speak at Pacifica in 2009. What a brilliant, bright light she was!
Bravo!!!! I could not have said it any better, Lionel Corbett, from 40 years personal experience as a Depth psychology practitioner, in a world that is taught by Colleges and Universities to favour only cognitive approaches as being the only legitimate therapy that deserves re-reimbursement from medical aid societies. People who suffer, as well as many students who are called to Psychology, and becoming Therapists, are robbed of true deep self development and healing when the Unconscious and the Collective Unconscious is ignored. The state of the profession of Psychology needs to be re-evaluated.
Good talk. The limitations involved with the theoretical underpinnings of CBT are clearly stated. There can be a real contrast between relational healing through the advanced techniques of depth psychotherapy and the scientific 'evidence-based' techniques of cognitive behavioral therapy that fit with managed care.
This is an excellent description of value of depth psychology and the unfortunate and unrealistic demands of insurance companies to drive psychotherapy away from the best possible methods that could be utilized to help heal the soul. I am rebellious! I feel they do not have any right to force therapists to only utilize CBT if they want to get paid.
It helps to understand medicine, and gain a human level of understanding.. I cannot go through Human suffering to understanding other people but guide them through.
Ou are absolutly correct. Basically, as a therapist, you have to find out what they are going through. You have to listen with empathy to the person. That is how you gain their trust. Once you know and practice this you have a good chance in helping the person with their difficult situations. It's all about empathy and validation, as you stated. Scientific method is useless because people are uniquely different. Practicing psyotherapy is not easy because people's situations are very complex. In order to get your license as a therapist, it should be based on how successful you are in helping your clients prior to getting your degree. My experience as a client illustrates this to me.
Nothing wrong with the materialist approach (there aren't any viable alternatives), as long as someone doesn't outright deny the internal and it's complexity
The mechanics of how we use cognitive tools should be able to be observed in regards to patterns of behaviors. I wouldn't regard the observation of these patterns as empirical, but do see the patterns as useful in regards to the narrative we'd like to apply to the person who is presenting in order to understand said behaviors.
I'd like to say that the world of clinical psych practice has been cbt hijacked. A clinician out of most graduate programs would need to have a personal leaning towards an approach with more depth.
Lisa Rose, man and his symbols is a good place to start for an intro to Jung. Trauma and the soul by Donald kalsched is amazing. Freud and beyond by Mitchell is great for an overview of the development of psychoanalysis and will help you see what analysts you want to read more of. Have fun!
If you are starting, I suggest to you to begin with books like: "A Primer of Jungian Psychology" by Calvin S. Hall and Vernon J. Nordby "What Jung Really Said" by E. A. Bennet "The Portable JUNG", Edited by Joseph Campbell If you want to save money, you might find these books "used" in Amazon.
I agree with the whole of it but you lost me a little bit when the socio-political stuff was brought into it. This kind of stuff annoys me, but I understand their value in dealing with the individual and understanding their individual experience and complexity.
With due respect; the greatest failure of Freudian/ Jungian Unconscious and Depth Psychology - It does not offer a solution. It cannot be proven. It doesnt present a methodology, let alone an intervention. If our personality was forged by early childhood experiences which we cannot control, how can we self-improve. How can we change something we cannot see. And dont say, hypnotherapy or Projective tests.
In order to grow the ego needs to be stable and grounded. The overwhelming energy and automatic generation of spontaneous ideations which arise upon the exploration of the inner world can take people radically off guard. Most people have only heard of the idea of the unconscious and have no acquaintance with it personally. The goal of psychotherapy is not to "change something we cant see" as you say, but rather to help people sublimate and come to understand the manifestations of the unconscious so that they can continue to grow instead of drowning
Furthermore, 'methodology' is entirely irrelevant (what is this, math?). What is important here is not a fixed set of injunctions that tell you what to do in each case. Instead, a doctor who has accumulated an acumen through daily interaction with patients whose will power has been disintegrated to various degrees by inundating unconscious influences (not to say that a person's ego can't become dis-integrated by other forces too, such as poor diet or bad life circumstances) is supremely valuable in helping patients re-establish a firm grip on reality so that they can re-coordinate their actions in accordance with their future goals. Of course psychotherapy is only one side of health, with there being the physiological side as well
Our personality is not forged by early childhood experiences (only our character); our personality can not flourish due to bad early childhood experiences, but the potential of the personality (the Self) is still inside. Think of a seed that is beginning to grow out of the ground and is stepped on... over and over again. Bad childhood experiences are blockers for the development of the personality. But we can self-improve because the seed (our personality) is inside us and wants to flourish; it is always pushing from the unconscious. The process for the development of our personality (becoming ourselves) is called INDIVIDUATION in Jungian Psychology. First we have to integrate the Shadow (the personal unconscious).....the Anima/Animus (archetypes of the collective unconscious and the side opposite to our gender in us) .....the Self. The process of Individuation is "the method", "the solution", it is an inner journey... a difficult one but worthy. It was also described by the Alchemists as they were projecting their psyche development onto their work...(I apologize for my English, I am from Spain).
Man i wish I could express my self this well when i try to take this standpoint in defense of depth psychology
Well, he is clearly reading out though. But yes, I agree nevertheless.
scripted.
@@ikaeksen And your point being?...Indeed this, further to you having taken your unoriginal cue from jackdawcaw given your inability to think!: To quote Paul Keating, "unless you're 'scripted', you're useless"!
Perhaps, when you’ve worked in this field for many years, you’ll be able to share your ideas just as eloquently! Practice makes perfect, as the saying goes!
Lionel is an amazingly wise scholar who I was privileged to study under at Pacifica. It is wonderful to be able to relive some of my experiences of him through this video.
I can only imagine how great it was. I've been diving into Jung's work and have gained immense insight into my unconscious and it's power on my waking life though dream analysis.
the greatest thing ever created in human history: this video platform
The ebb and flow of nuance in this is art
In my experience most academically trained people defend themselves from deeper existential experiences, where as traumatized people do not even have the luxury.
So in a therapeutic relationship the traumatized person is often more informed and aware than the therapist as to the specifics of trauma, but the therapist in such a situation can always provide a link to the conventional organized society without even knowing the depth of the traumatized.
But if a therapist simply defends themselves from the existential experience of their client then they really can do damage invalidating very important experiences that the client will have.
I had a brother who died recently. We both had deep trauma issues. I often judged him for not being able to pick himself up. But I realize that this may have been very unfair as it seems he experienced the trauma on a deeper level than I did and had to work it out. He was not me, my experience was not his, so dictating any answer what so ever was not the right way to go, but honest non-judgmental dialogue was a better relationship. But I also understood at times I had a better capacity to talk and distill the information into symbols of mutual understanding.
In other-words my counter transference was often too judgmental. But when I approach his suffering in symbolic language I found the link.
Jung understood that symbolic language would have a multiplicity of meaning but also a kernel of shared meaning. This shared meaning still links us with each other and yet we experience it and express it in different ways.
This is an excellent exploration by Dr. Liionel Corbett on the efficacy of Depth Psychology. In a world or corporate management of mental health, the uniqueness of the individual can be narrowed to fit into adaption to the larger cultural infrastructure instead of guiding the individual to health and wholeness by following the soul's promptings towards becoming who he or she truly is.
How correct Dr. Corbett is. If the psyche is not taken into account, we end up training people to be well behaved foot soldiers of the army of radical and narrow empirical psychology. This creates only symptom reduction, and does not address the main reason of suffering the person is going through, and this problem could again manifest in a variety of ways. The unconscious must be addressed and healed for the person concerned, to move forward. This can be addressed by transference, countertransference, and relational aspects of psychotherapy. The object of psychotherapy is to make the person whole or as close to it as possible, and not a consequence of their behavior.
What an exquisite description. I have been Licensed Therapist for years and found your words so moving. Beautifully said. A Rogerian foundation must be at the heart of the relationship. Being present with a client is simple. Being present with compassion can be extremely difficult.
Where you mentioned the defense against dealing with actual suffering is exactly what I've said and thought for quite some time. Incredible job of synthesising these points.
Thank you, Dr. Lionel Corbett! I've been through a dual masters degree program in clinical and transpersonal therapy that didn't come anywhere near this level of wisdom and helpfulness. I didn't know that Pacific Graduate Institute existed in 1979 when I entered grad school, or I would have enrolled at Pacifica instead! I am very grateful for the ongoing training I'm getting from your books and these videos, along with what I'm learning from others of similar depth, like Dr. Joseph Cambray. I had the good fortune to hear Marion Woodman speak at Pacifica in 2009. What a brilliant, bright light she was!
Bravo!!!! I could not have said it any better, Lionel Corbett, from 40 years personal experience as a Depth psychology practitioner, in a world that is taught by Colleges and Universities to favour only cognitive approaches as being the only legitimate therapy that deserves re-reimbursement from medical aid societies. People who suffer, as well as many students who are called to Psychology, and becoming Therapists, are robbed of true deep self development and healing when the Unconscious and the Collective Unconscious is ignored. The state of the profession of Psychology needs to be re-evaluated.
Amazing. Good to see a psychotherapist is not just treating the brain but also the soul.
absolutely floored by this powerful exposition
Wonderful to hear the acknowledgment of human complexity.
Thank you for this beautiful clarity
Professor thank you for recognizing the metaphysical reality of the Soul. This is truly amazing!!!
Good talk. The limitations involved with the theoretical underpinnings of CBT are clearly stated. There can be a real contrast between relational healing through the advanced techniques of depth psychotherapy and the scientific 'evidence-based' techniques of cognitive behavioral therapy that fit with managed care.
Exceptional lecture!
This is an excellent description of value of depth psychology and the unfortunate and unrealistic demands of insurance companies to drive psychotherapy away from the best possible methods that could be utilized to help heal the soul. I am rebellious! I feel they do not have any right to force therapists to only utilize CBT if they want to get paid.
It helps to understand medicine, and gain a human level of understanding.. I cannot go through Human suffering to understanding other people but guide them through.
Simple. Direct. Politically engaged.
Excelent.
Ou are absolutly correct. Basically, as a therapist, you have to find out what they are going through. You have to listen with empathy to the person. That is how you gain their trust. Once you know and practice this you have a good chance in helping the person with their difficult situations. It's all about empathy and validation, as you stated. Scientific method is useless because people are uniquely different. Practicing psyotherapy is not easy because people's situations are very complex. In order to get your license as a therapist, it should be based on how successful you are in helping your clients prior to getting your degree. My experience as a client illustrates this to me.
That was just perfect. Thank you!
Wonderful Dr. Corbett!! Thank you so much for this!
Wow, this is Great, i dont understand much but those words are valuable for us as humans
excellent review of the importance of depth psychology
There are intelligent people of experience, who follow this type of thinking as talked about above - and there are all the rest.
This was awesome! Thank you Pacifica. ❤️
Fantastic. Insightful and inspiring
Brilliantly said.
This video makes absolute sense to me. #depthpsychology
Absolutely! I love how you explain this truth - I practice so. Thank you!
Nothing wrong with the materialist approach (there aren't any viable alternatives), as long as someone doesn't outright deny the internal and it's complexity
Great talk! Thank you so much! It's so clear! And I agree with every word, as you proved my intuitive thoughts.
PREACH🙏🙏🙏
I think I like this man, Lionel Corbett. Sounds like a wise old owl.
.... and looks like one too !
I want to study 10 years of depth psychology under his supervision please ...
The mechanics of how we use cognitive tools should be able to be observed in regards to patterns of behaviors. I wouldn't regard the observation of these patterns as empirical, but do see the patterns as useful in regards to the narrative we'd like to apply to the person who is presenting in order to understand said behaviors.
So well said!! Thank you!
Amen!
This is what i have been bitching about , omg the validation feels so good lol
I'd like to say that the world of clinical psych practice has been cbt hijacked. A clinician out of most graduate programs would need to have a personal leaning towards an approach with more depth.
Excellent excellent excellent
thank god this is free
I share many of the same philosophical commitments and concerns outlined here. I’d like to study #depthpsychology less tangentially.
Wonderful
May i know lists of depth psychology books that i can read 🙏🏻. Anyone who have book recommendations, share it to me, i appreciate it so much
Lisa Rose, man and his symbols is a good place to start for an intro to Jung. Trauma and the soul by Donald kalsched is amazing. Freud and beyond by Mitchell is great for an overview of the development of psychoanalysis and will help you see what analysts you want to read more of. Have fun!
@@alexgraham2747 thank you so much for your informations ⚡🙏🏻 ✨ i will read these ⚡
Sigmund Freud, Carl Gustav Jung are two great scholars if you want to understand about Depth psychology......
If you are starting, I suggest to you to begin with books like:
"A Primer of Jungian Psychology" by Calvin S. Hall and Vernon J. Nordby
"What Jung Really Said" by E. A. Bennet
"The Portable JUNG", Edited by Joseph Campbell
If you want to save money, you might find these books "used" in Amazon.
Fantastic
Is that a fake background?
de la profundidad. ave Dodo. Alicia en el país de las maravillas.
Fully agree with you....
Is that you Donald Sunderland? That voice is so familiar.
Y I feel he looks like Prof. Robert Paul Wolff :)
18:15
21:15
I agree with the whole of it but you lost me a little bit when the socio-political stuff was brought into it. This kind of stuff annoys me, but I understand their value in dealing with the individual and understanding their individual experience and complexity.
Jung was a straight man that found agdar
What is agdar?
Basically I Don't Know!!
What is the Solution!!.
Should a Physcologist/Physcotherapist...Be A Master of Sociology (A Pre- Requisite)!!!😂🙏😀❤️👍🍻🌻
With due respect; the greatest failure of Freudian/ Jungian Unconscious and Depth Psychology - It does not offer a solution. It cannot be proven. It doesnt present a methodology, let alone an intervention.
If our personality was forged by early childhood experiences which we cannot control, how can we self-improve. How can we change something we cannot see.
And dont say, hypnotherapy or Projective tests.
In order to grow the ego needs to be stable and grounded. The overwhelming energy and automatic generation of spontaneous ideations which arise upon the exploration of the inner world can take people radically off guard. Most people have only heard of the idea of the unconscious and have no acquaintance with it personally. The goal of psychotherapy is not to "change something we cant see" as you say, but rather to help people sublimate and come to understand the manifestations of the unconscious so that they can continue to grow instead of drowning
Furthermore, 'methodology' is entirely irrelevant (what is this, math?). What is important here is not a fixed set of injunctions that tell you what to do in each case. Instead, a doctor who has accumulated an acumen through daily interaction with patients whose will power has been disintegrated to various degrees by inundating unconscious influences (not to say that a person's ego can't become dis-integrated by other forces too, such as poor diet or bad life circumstances) is supremely valuable in helping patients re-establish a firm grip on reality so that they can re-coordinate their actions in accordance with their future goals. Of course psychotherapy is only one side of health, with there being the physiological side as well
Our personality is not forged by early childhood experiences (only our character); our personality can not flourish due to bad early childhood experiences, but the potential of the personality (the Self) is still inside. Think of a seed that is beginning to grow out of the ground and is stepped on... over and over again. Bad childhood experiences are blockers for the development of the personality. But we can self-improve because the seed (our personality) is inside us and wants to flourish; it is always pushing from the unconscious.
The process for the development of our personality (becoming ourselves) is called INDIVIDUATION in Jungian Psychology. First we have to integrate the Shadow (the personal unconscious).....the Anima/Animus (archetypes of the collective unconscious and the side opposite to our gender in us) .....the Self.
The process of Individuation is "the method", "the solution", it is an inner journey... a difficult one but worthy. It was also described by the Alchemists as they were projecting their psyche development onto their work...(I apologize for my English, I am from Spain).