I love the pairing with my Diana TC’s but it wasn’t until I changed the pads to the new pads did they really deliver in the mids and the bass. It was subtle but the overall effect made these my go to headphones. I sold my Susvara’s as they were just sitting on the shelf. The other pairing I truly enjoy is the Final D8000 Pro.
This is so strange because the AMP-23R is the hands down best amp I've ever heard the 1266TC on, and it's the same deal with anyone I've talked to who've tried that pairing. What is the serial number of your demo amp?
Exactly what I've been saying about the Enleum for months now. It gives the Susvara amazing sub bass. It may not have the initial punch as the Utopia, but the Susvara retains that bass for longer and has a richer and more substantial sounding low end(with the enleum 23r), making the bass more enjoyable on the Susvara imo. I can't understand how someone could claim that the Susvara lacks bass especially when paired with the enleum.
I would love to hear more about your time with the DCS Lina amp. Not a lot of content on TH-cam about it yet, but the couple times I heard it at canjams I was impressed. It just seemed to sound “right”, with every headphone I tried with it.
Thought about the going enleum but keeping my bacon 13r. Just like the aesthetics better and not unhappy with how it works with susvara and my speakers.
Great review Michael. I had a similar poor experience with the Enleum Abyss 1266 combo. Not sure they were being overdriven, I just felt like the Enleum couldn’t bring the 1266 to life. No bass impact whatsoever and like you I tried a few different settings. I did wonder if it was the lack of balanced output. I wouldn’t describe myself as the typical OCD audiophile but all that clicking would be a dealbreaker for me. Very disconcerting. Susvara have never really excited me. I had an opportunity to borrow some when I had the 23r on loan. Seems like a big mistake not to have tried the combo. Perhaps I’d finally understand what the Susvara hype is all about. Looking forward to the HM1 review.
Hi Does this amp with susvara makes the treble a bit dark? I like the V shaped sound profile and i love the sound of the susvara but the vocals are too high sometimes fatiguing I like how hd800s handles vocals by throwing them away By the way am not powering the Susvara correctly am using HDV820 and i don't think it's doing it so am looking for TOTL Amp.
I didn't note anything about the treble extension with the Susvara being muted with the 23r. My bigger issue was noise. It's not the quietest amp, for sure. I gave it a pass, though, because the Enleum is so damn fun. There are only 2 amps that have produced slam with the Susvara (that I've heard-- an important distinction)- The 23R and the Ray Samuels B-21. Unfortunately the B-21 shot way out of my reach last week, I can no longer afford it. I'm going to need to find an alternate solution.
Please try the susvara with the schiit RAGNAROK 2 The best headphone Amplifier for the susvara is the schiit RAGNAROK 2. For me, it has 24 watts into 32ohms and 1.5 watts into 600ohms
Susvara is an example of scalable headp.. Elite.. wutever u trow at it, it'll sound the same which is dat great..but not scalable.. Wutever it is wa33.. Just legend n those wa234 monoblocks.. Peace!
It's a curious thing how we all hear differently. I have also 1266 TC and LCD-4 and for more then a year now I have 23R. I can agree with the bass sounding great but the midrage is a big problem for me. It's pushed back a bit and moreover smoothened. All the instruments textures are lacking. Because of that for me music through the Enleum is a bit lifeless. Like you hear it, you acknowledge it but it doesn't make you dive in it, lose yourself in the tracks. Some people don't have a problem with that and some other like me, GoldenSound or Convince Me Audio we do. There was a theory even that some amps are defected but that's not the case, mine was checked by the Enleum. Also for me 1266 TC sound the best with the 23R. This is this strange synergy, where bough have this v shaped sound but together they are really good. Maybe I'm lacking the perspective (besides 23R I have Cayin HA-300 and Burson Soloist 3xp) but soon I'll check it with Holo Audio Bliss. Or maybe the DAC is the key component here (Holo Audio May). Anyway, nice job!
Not only do we hear things differently, we all have different tastes in what we want. Some want ultra resolution and technical performance, othes may want more of a V shape and fun, others may prefer warm, etc. For me personal, I like Sus on Tubes and my focus is on vocals. I want that to be the best which is why I like Toobs over almost all solid state, 465 not withstanding.
What I found with the Enleum is that I couldn't make any generalizations. It behaved differently with different headphones and voltage inputs. Running in high-power sounded generally worse to my ears. That's why I felt the need to go through so many different headphones in the review. Normally I stick to 1 or 2 headphones. The Zahl will be a much easier amp to review! But every pairing brought out good and/or not-so-good with the Enleum. I do believe if you have a Susvara, you should audition the 23r. Cheers! Great discussion.
Exactly this. Had one on home demo. for a few weeks. First one was faulty and neatly blew my ears. Second one was fine. Aesthetically it’s wonderful but at the end of the day, for me, there were two big negatives. Firstly, yeah that lack of mid-range and texture with my Zu speakers meant it sounded impressive but music didn’t flow. It wasn’t engaging. Moreover the soundstage was okay but absolutely not as wide nor deep as many described and that magic with vocals wasn’t there at all. Moved it to a friends Nagra 300b based system and it produced exactly the same lacks. Dealer tested it and found it was working as it ought. I loved everything about it bar the sound. Secondly though, quality control is questionable. My first one had been left in pre mode so volume was fixed ludicrously loud even at zero gain. Had marks on the amps body and the feet. That was open box so the second one was sealed. Interestingly came with damaged feet again but also with a damaged remote. I noticed over time that, wonderful though the remote control was, there was a constant inconsistency with the gain increments. A single click didn’t always produce the same gain or lowering on the same piece of music and so on. Same happened if you used the gain manually.
@@raymondwebby2441 I've heard it from the local distributor, was not from the most optimal setup but I've heard multiple headphones there, didn't like it
Michael supposed that the DAC he used - and its selectable voltage output - could have affected the overall sound he was hearing. Why are you calling him a liar? What has been your experience with that DAC?
@@SergeySedlovsky No, he just implied that he wouldn't be addressing MQA as an audio format. I suggest you listen more discerningly and don't call people 'liars' so flippantly.
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awesome review!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I now want / need the 23r. Susvara are the only headphone I've owned twice and are my daily drivers for sure!
I love the pairing with my Diana TC’s but it wasn’t until I changed the pads to the new pads did they really deliver in the mids and the bass. It was subtle but the overall effect made these my go to headphones. I sold my Susvara’s as they were just sitting on the shelf. The other pairing I truly enjoy is the Final D8000 Pro.
So you enjoy the Final D800 pro with the Enleum? I am considering this amp to par with Sus/final D800 and Tc’s.
My perference between my AMP23R and Holo Bliss, with the Utopia 22, goes to the former! So unsure about the HM1 outclassing the AMP23R for me.
Great video...thanks Mr. Pete!
This is so strange because the AMP-23R is the hands down best amp I've ever heard the 1266TC on, and it's the same deal with anyone I've talked to who've tried that pairing. What is the serial number of your demo amp?
When using the Enleum the Power goes out in Michael's neighborhood like Clark Griswold's does in Christmas Vacation
My electric meter runs in 8/4 time. But it's hard to dance to.
Exactly what I've been saying about the Enleum for months now. It gives the Susvara amazing sub bass. It may not have the initial punch as the Utopia, but the Susvara retains that bass for longer and has a richer and more substantial sounding low end(with the enleum 23r), making the bass more enjoyable on the Susvara imo. I can't understand how someone could claim that the Susvara lacks bass especially when paired with the enleum.
How's the Utopia on the 23r?
@@TheMrgonzalo05 Sounded great to me on low gain.
The Bakoon DAC uses those connections. It’s the only DAC currently available. It’s a fair DAC.
I would love to hear more about your time with the DCS Lina amp. Not a lot of content on TH-cam about it yet, but the couple times I heard it at canjams I was impressed. It just seemed to sound “right”, with every headphone I tried with it.
Great T-Shirt. Absolutely great. ❤
Thought about the going enleum but keeping my bacon 13r. Just like the aesthetics better and not unhappy with how it works with susvara and my speakers.
Love your videos.
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I found a bakoon for $2600.. taking everything I have not to hit the buy button.
Great review Michael. I had a similar poor experience with the Enleum Abyss 1266 combo. Not sure they were being overdriven, I just felt like the Enleum couldn’t bring the 1266 to life. No bass impact whatsoever and like you I tried a few different settings. I did wonder if it was the lack of balanced output. I wouldn’t describe myself as the typical OCD audiophile but all that clicking would be a dealbreaker for me. Very disconcerting. Susvara have never really excited me. I had an opportunity to borrow some when I had the 23r on loan. Seems like a big mistake not to have tried the combo. Perhaps I’d finally understand what the Susvara hype is all about. Looking forward to the HM1 review.
How is your experience even possible... Did you have the 23r at the full gain setting???
Hi Does this amp with susvara makes the treble a bit dark? I like the V shaped sound profile and i love the sound of the susvara but the vocals are too high sometimes fatiguing I like how hd800s handles vocals by throwing them away By the way am not powering the Susvara correctly am using HDV820 and i don't think it's doing it so am looking for TOTL Amp.
I didn't note anything about the treble extension with the Susvara being muted with the 23r. My bigger issue was noise. It's not the quietest amp, for sure. I gave it a pass, though, because the Enleum is so damn fun. There are only 2 amps that have produced slam with the Susvara (that I've heard-- an important distinction)- The 23R and the Ray Samuels B-21. Unfortunately the B-21 shot way out of my reach last week, I can no longer afford it. I'm going to need to find an alternate solution.
What are the cap differences between the 2 models? wondering if an amp-13r cap upgrade might elevate the performance.
I can't say-- I no longer have either in my possession!
👍 good stuff director
Please try the susvara with the schiit RAGNAROK 2 The best headphone Amplifier for the susvara is the schiit RAGNAROK 2. For me, it has 24 watts into 32ohms and 1.5 watts into 600ohms
Susvara is an example of scalable headp.. Elite.. wutever u trow at it, it'll sound the same which is dat great..but not scalable.. Wutever it is wa33.. Just legend n those wa234 monoblocks.. Peace!
It's a curious thing how we all hear differently. I have also 1266 TC and LCD-4 and for more then a year now I have 23R. I can agree with the bass sounding great but the midrage is a big problem for me. It's pushed back a bit and moreover smoothened. All the instruments textures are lacking. Because of that for me music through the Enleum is a bit lifeless. Like you hear it, you acknowledge it but it doesn't make you dive in it, lose yourself in the tracks. Some people don't have a problem with that and some other like me, GoldenSound or Convince Me Audio we do. There was a theory even that some amps are defected but that's not the case, mine was checked by the Enleum. Also for me 1266 TC sound the best with the 23R. This is this strange synergy, where bough have this v shaped sound but together they are really good. Maybe I'm lacking the perspective (besides 23R I have Cayin HA-300 and Burson Soloist 3xp) but soon I'll check it with Holo Audio Bliss. Or maybe the DAC is the key component here (Holo Audio May). Anyway, nice job!
Not only do we hear things differently, we all have different tastes in what we want. Some want ultra resolution and technical performance, othes may want more of a V shape and fun, others may prefer warm, etc. For me personal, I like Sus on Tubes and my focus is on vocals. I want that to be the best which is why I like Toobs over almost all solid state, 465 not withstanding.
What I found with the Enleum is that I couldn't make any generalizations. It behaved differently with different headphones and voltage inputs. Running in high-power sounded generally worse to my ears. That's why I felt the need to go through so many different headphones in the review. Normally I stick to 1 or 2 headphones. The Zahl will be a much easier amp to review! But every pairing brought out good and/or not-so-good with the Enleum. I do believe if you have a Susvara, you should audition the 23r. Cheers! Great discussion.
@@DirectorsGarage It is definitely a TOTL amplifier for the Susvara. I love the pairing.
its what i heard/preferences
Exactly this. Had one on home demo. for a few weeks. First one was faulty and neatly blew my ears. Second one was fine. Aesthetically it’s wonderful but at the end of the day, for me, there were two big negatives.
Firstly, yeah that lack of mid-range and texture with my Zu speakers meant it sounded impressive but music didn’t flow. It wasn’t engaging. Moreover the soundstage was okay but absolutely not as wide nor deep as many described and that magic with vocals wasn’t there at all. Moved it to a friends Nagra 300b based system and it produced exactly the same lacks. Dealer tested it and found it was working as it ought. I loved everything about it bar the sound.
Secondly though, quality control is questionable. My first one had been left in pre mode so volume was fixed ludicrously loud even at zero gain. Had marks on the amps body and the feet. That was open box so the second one was sealed. Interestingly came with damaged feet again but also with a damaged remote.
I noticed over time that, wonderful though the remote control was, there was a constant inconsistency with the gain increments. A single click didn’t always produce the same gain or lowering on the same piece of music and so on. Same happened if you used the gain manually.
With Caldera, it's V shaped and dry sounding
Really?
@@raymondwebby2441 I've heard it from the local distributor, was not from the most optimal setup but I've heard multiple headphones there, didn't like it
@@SergeySedlovskythanks for replying
21:22 - Liar Liar Pants on Fire
Michael supposed that the DAC he used - and its selectable voltage output - could have affected the overall sound he was hearing. Why are you calling him a liar? What has been your experience with that DAC?
@@mattrismatt because MQA
@@SergeySedlovsky Ah, so you have no experience with the DAC he used, much less in conjunction with this particular amp. Have you even heard MQA?
@mattrismatt I did hear music in mqa format it wasn't that bad but I think he said he wouldn't be talking about mqa in the video
@@SergeySedlovsky No, he just implied that he wouldn't be addressing MQA as an audio format. I suggest you listen more discerningly and don't call people 'liars' so flippantly.