Amen thank you Ligon! The prophetic literalistic interpretation is such an issue in many evangelical circles. It is just a faulty hermeneutic but I can’t seem to convince my friends.
The only replacement theology I believe in is that the old covenant has been replaced by the new covenant that was promised in Jeremiah as Hebrews makes so clear! It's actually the oldest covenant planned before the foundation of the world.
The Israel of God that Paul mentioned in Galatians 6 is either the people of Israel who are saved or the entire body of believers. He said that not all Israel is Israel, the children of the flesh are not the children of God.
Revelation 12:17 [17]And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Anyone who gets saved, Jews or Gentiles, are only saved by becoming born again believers of Jesus Christ. The Bible is abundantly clear on this. Jesus said himself that unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. The church is the temple of God. Know ye not that your body is the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
I believe the major error of the protestant reformers was that they taught that a new dispensation was heralded in by Paul in Rom.ch.10. They failed to take note that all of Pauls' letters begin with the greeting.".. to the saints of..". All of his letters are addressed to already saved believers, saved before his letters were written. The only account we have of Paul leading men to Christ is in Acts ch.19. In this chapter ,he leads them to Christ by following scripture precisely in line with Peters words in Acts 2:38. This disproves dispensationalists' assertion that a new dispensation was revealed by Paul. Lastly, how would Paul had been received, by already saved believers ,if he tried to introduce to them a new way to be saved ?
Acts 15:15-17 appears to be more a use of that prophecied principle that Gentiles will be saved, not that Gentiles now in the Church are a fulfillment of the rebuilding of the Temple. Imagine if Daniel had made such an assumption concerning the rebuilding of Jerusalem! The very trodding down of Jerusalem by the Babylonians was the fulfillment of the prophecy of the rebuilding of Jerusalem. Daniel would have then made a good Covenant preterist. By destroying Jerusalem the Babylonians had rebuilt it in Covenental type fulfillment. And Daniel's seventy years might have been the age determined for him.
Gentiles were grafted into the good olive tree. Some of the branches of Israel, not all, but the ones that continued in unbelief and disobedience were cut off of the olive tree. Only by becoming a born again believer of Jesus Christ can anyone be a part of that olive tree spoken of in Romans 11.
"Pre-temporal covenant of redemption." Uh . . . yeah. Good thing he didn't claim to be using only the Bible, because that is not Bible language. That is some "extra-biblical" terminology and doctrine right there.
Not hard to find in the Bible, is it? "Before the foundation of the world" the plan of salvation was laid and ready, should Adam fall into sin, for which he had no excuse. That's all, isn't it.
@@hereticus40 Sure, as can reply right now, but not till later again. This pastor's comment is his own wording, for the plan of salvation being made and prepared before the earth's creation, before our timeframe began. Eph 1:4 says it clearly as does 1 Pet 1:20, within the contexts for both those verses. The wording in Rev 13:8 is for believers after the first century, too. Hope that helps.
The problem is that Covenant theology is incorrect in many aspects however there is some truth to it in others. And the same goes for "Dispensationalism". The problem we have is we can't seem to see the truth from the lies in each and we end up picking sides. These are the same errors the Pharisees and Sadducees made before the Chuch with Judaism. That GOD had replaced humanity as a whole with the Jews. They were specifically chosen by GOD to come out of the masses and bring His message to the world and this made them special above everyone else. Covenant theology has just repackaged an old idea of the same errors people have made in the past. When you think you're the "epitome" of GOD's plan you become blind to other parts of His plan. This is what makes the Church a miracle and will promote jealousy in the Jews because GOD used us pagan, Scripturally illiterate people with no history with the LORD, to bring the Gospel. However, it took less than 1500 years for the Israelites to go from entering the Promised Land under the blessing of the LORD to being exiled from it in 70-135AD. We are 2000 years from Jesus and the same mistakes are being made by the Church that the Hews made. And this is why we are seeing our nations collapse. 2 Chronicles 7:14 if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. Far too many Christians seem to be confused or oblivious to the overall framework of Scripture. Yes there is 1 plan and neither the Church nor the Jews fulfill the 1 plan in its entirety, yet both groups have a history of believing that their group has somehow "arrived" at the fullness of the LORD's plan. The ONLY thing the Church does is show how the Gospel saves people from Hades which is why Jesus says Matthew 16:17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. By having faith in Jesus and being saved we are saved from Hades, that's why the gates of Hades will never prevail because salvation saves us from hades. Rev 1: 17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death. 2 Cor 5:6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. 7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. And the Church for a time will bring the Gospel to the nations. However, the Church is NOT the end tool. Sadly, people both Jews and Christians have a habit of inventing ideas and as long as it sounds reasonable it can easily be adopted. Postmillennialism is like this. The idea that the Church will spread the Gospel and everyone (or mostly everyone) will become Christian and then Jesus will return and we will hand the earth over to Him and skip into eternity all holding hands, sounds good. Totally false though. Not biblically supported at all. Jesus in Luke 17 says: 26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. So when Jesus returns the world will be like the day of Noah and Sodom. So what was the Days of Noah like? Genesis 6:5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. How about Sodom? Gen 18:23 And Abraham came near and said, “Would You also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24 Suppose there were fifty righteous within the city; would You also destroy the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous that were in it? 25 Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” 26 So the Lord said, “If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.” Then we see Abraham negotiate the LORD down to 10 righteous. And the LORD agrees for 10 righteous He will spare the cities. 32 Then he said, “Let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak but once more: Suppose ten should be found there?” And He said, “I will not destroy it for the sake of ten.” The problem with most theology today is that it's rife with human fears, errors, shortsightedness, and biased history. There are basically 2 issues that the LORD is going to rectify. One comes via salvation through Jesus where we are made perfect and immortal. When Adam and Eve sinned they went from immortal to motal. Genesis 3:17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’: “Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life. 18 Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, And you shall eat the herb of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.” The confusion between covenant theology and dispensationalism is that neither asks "What is the LORD wanting to accomplish?" The Covenant theologians, see "Dispensationalism" as a framework where GOD changes. In this era, He deals with humanity one way and in the next era, He deals with humanity in another. To which a Covenant theologian says in their mind GOD never changes. So they reject Dispensationalism. Yes we have the covenant of Redemption, however, both Jews and Christians see this covenant as limiting. The Jews saw only themselves and a few Gentiles who worshipped the GOD of Israel as being a part of GOD's redemption plan and if you listen to many Christian Pastors today you will hear how only a select few will be saved and most of humanity will go to Hell. The problem is that GOD's plan is to redeem and save the WHOLE world. And that plan is far more extensive than I have ever heard taught in a church. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for "shutting Heaven" to the lost, and many Christians today do the same. We look at the world and see most of the world as lost, with people dying every day without Jesus, very much how the Jewish religious leaders saw the world where most of the world was pagan. So we end up with this weird limiting theology. The lie that Christians believe and how these "biblical theologies" were created is to rationalize and make sense of "What happens after people die?" This is how we get the "covenant of works" and the covenant of grace" theology. Since Jesus didn't come till He did and there is about 4000 years of biblical history between Adam and Jesus where did everyone go? If they couldn't be saved by the blood of Jesus then did they die and go to Hell? Did they have to abide by the rules (Noahide and Mosaic) to be saved?? I heard 1 pastor talk about this and say that "sinners do die and deserve Judgment and Hell" And this is where the train goes off the tracks. Dispensationalists (at least the original ones, not most today) saw salvation as grace and works or that there must be a different way than faith in Jesus for the Jews since the LORD has blinded the Jews to the identity of the Messiah until the fullness of the Gentiles. Romans 11. And this messed them up because they taught that if you die without Jesus then you'll go immediately to an eternal hell. Which is a lie. But if this is part of your worldview then and you know because of Paul that the LORD has blinded the Jews to the identity of who Jesus is, then does God just blind people to salvation and send them to hell?? Trying to answer this question has resulted in a lot of false doctrines which Paul warns us about in Romans 11:25-27. There is an abundant amount of biblical truth in both Covenant and Dispensationalism where they overlap to bring a greater clarity but instead, like humans like to do we focus on the errors not the biblical truth.
@@boldbeliever52There's always been only one plan of salvation which is the Gospel of Jesus Christ ordained of God before the foundation of the world.
Not all of Israel was cut off. Only the disobedient branches that continued in disbelief. We gentiles who are saved were grated into the good olive tree as Romans 11 makes clear. All of Israel and gentiles who are saved are part of the one good olive tree, and we're all one in Christ.
1:00 - Can you give me a single verse that says God only has one plan? No? So then that is something you imposed on the scripture, right? But the Bible does say that God revealed something NEW to Paul, a mystery which had been *HID* from ages and from generations BUT NOW is made manifest to the saints (Col 1:26) . . . a mystery which was not made known unto the sons of men until Paul (Eph 3:3-6) . . . a mystery hid IN GOD (Eph 3:9) . . . and which even the princes in heaven didn't know about or else they would not have crucified Jesus (I Cor 2:7). So there was the plan revealed in the OT, and then SOMETHING NEW revealed to Paul in the NT. The very first verse in the Bible says God created 1) the heaven and 2) the Earth. Two realms. The OT was all about God reclaiming the Earth from Satan, but where was any talk about reclaiming heaven? No one, including the princes and principalities, mights and dominions, thought about it until Paul, when a new purpose and plan was revealed, the reconciliation of heaven to God Sounds like at least two plans to me, Brother. Grace. : )
@@chrisarmstrong3200- thanks for taking the time to reply, Brother. Can you quote where I said that or anything like it? The church of this age was the ORIGINAL PLAN, wherein believers in Christ were chosen BEFORE the foundation of the world (Eph 1:4), but we were kept secret, otherwise Satan and his boys would not have sacrificed the Lord of glory (I Cor 2:7, 8) Israel was chosen after us. So this church age was the original plan, kept secret, while Israel was the family that God chose to accomplish this plan. Grace. : )
God's only plan of salvation from before the foundation of the world is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. There's no other way to be saved except by the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. He's the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but by Him. There's no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved. The blood of animals was never ever able to take away sins. Revelation 13:8 [8]And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
@hereticus40 I have just seen your comment and thought to respond. Actually you are touching upon something very important and often overlooked. Personally I wouldn’t call it two plans but a plan or purpose that has more than one object, or encompasses more than just one thing. Permit me to enlarge. In Colossians we are told, “And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.” Things in Heaven.That is also alluded to a few verses earlier, “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.” The fall of Lucifer, the son of the morning, the rebellion in Heaven brought with it possible defilement with the ugly lying accusation that God’s creatures only served Him out of fear. We see this accusation oft repeated through the history of man. Had God immediately judged that rebellion it could have served to give apparent credence to that lie and so defile Heaven. Lucifer as he then was sought to establish his own kingdom and realm independent from God having the same worship as God. He knew that God loved man and would not destroy man, so by man’s fall as the Serpent, he thought to have obtained immunity and his kingdom, knowing that it would be unrighteous of God to judge him and not man. But the plan and purpose of God in the salvation of man was beyond the comprehension of any being, in that the thrice holy God would take man’s sin upon Himself, both obtaining the salvation of man and clearing the way for the judgement of the Devil and his angels by an open show of His unfathomable love as well as His righteousness. God, as it were, lived only for the good and blessing of His creatures. This utterly repudiates the lying accusation that God’s creatures only served Him out of fear and it thereby cleansed Heaven itself of any slur or defilement, any detraction from the happiness and perfection of Heaven. This glorious testimony remains for all the ages to come. It makes Christ the very centre of all God’s dealings with His creatures and fulfills His purpose as described, “That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him,” and, “ That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.” Of course we tend to be more concerned with His glorious and gracious dealings with us but He has also accomplished the perfect happiness of His faithful angels. I fear I have not done sufficient justice in laying this out, but I hope it is enough.
Top notch summary of this amazing framework drawn from accepting unfolding Scripture on its own terms and not reading the OT as though the NT didn't exist :-)
No misconceptions, we know that men retreat into "theology" because they do not hear God. "Theology" replace faith, does it not? Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. We are to hear God, live by every word that proceeds out of His mouth. This is the essence of the faith once delivered unto the saints, the like faith of the Apostles. "Theology" is carnal and causes divisions, does it not? It is not living by the Spirit according to God's word. Men choose their "theology" and defend it against others, as you are doing. They have their "religion." Christ had no "theology" but lived from the Father and all He did and said was given Him by the Father and consequently He applied the right word fitting for His hearer or hearers. It is all about a living faith and not a "theology."
@@bobbyadkins6983 Then you admit it replaces faith. We are not to "study" God! That is absurd! It is also merely an intellectual excercise. How useless is that??? We are to hear God. The Apoistles never "studied" God. You confirm what was said. Very sad.
@Must_not_say_that You seem to have some serious issues going on. We're to study God's Word, the Bible. You can't study the Bible, without studying what it says about God. We are to grow in our knowledge of God like the Bible says. Do you even read the Bible?
@@bobbyadkins6983 Yes it is a serious issue that people replace faith with study. It is a serious issue they come up with conflicting theologies rather than hearing God. It is also a serious issue that you do not understand that growing in the knowledge of God comes from an experiential walk with Him and not from any intellectual or mental study. It appears that you have fallen into the same snare as the Jews of old when Christ declared to them that they searched the Scriptures, “for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.” It is not clever of you to make personal judgements or to ask if I even read the Bible as if your are so superior and intellectuality gifted. That is a shame on you and actually confirms the objection that is being raised. Why do you do that instead of addressing the issue? It is clear that study, theology, is engaged in to replace faith, and faith was laid out in the post. It appears you do not understand that. Does not the Lord declare that Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God? Is not understanding only given by God, out of His mouth? We are everywhere exhorted to hear God, nowhere are we exhorted to any kind of “theology.”
The Gospel of Jesus Christ was foreordained of God before the foundation of the world. It was always His one and only plan of salvation. The blood of animals was never able to take away sins
If it's at all helpful to anyone, consider Romans 9:3-8 (this is copy/pasted from the ESV): "For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers,[a] my kinsmen according to the flesh. 4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. 5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen. 6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7 and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring."
Just read Acts which he refers to. Doesnt say what he says. How do the land promises made to Israel get fulfilled in me? Which plot of land beside the Euphrates do I get to claim? What nonsense.
Abraham and his descendants aren’t just promised cannan but actually the whole world as Paul makes clear in Romans 4:13, thus the new heavens and new earth, so all those who are heirs of Abraham, not just by flesh because we know that Ishmael wasn’t included, but those who are heirs according to the promise between Abraham and his seed, Christ, so the elect
Abraham and his descendants aren’t just promised cannan but actually the whole world as Paul makes clear in Romans 4:13, thus the new heavens and new earth, so all those who are heirs of Abraham, not just by flesh because we know that Ishmael wasn’t included, but those who are heirs according to the promise between Abraham and his seed, Christ, so the elect. Nations aren’t elect, individuals are and when Paul says all Israel will be saved, he’s simply saying that Gods plan of salvation for His elect will be complete in that the fullness of the gentiles coming into saving relationship with God will be the catalyst to save the wheat among the partially hardened ethnic Israel, the 7,000 who have not bowed the knee to Baal, simply the elect, thus all Israel, all those who He predestined to salvation, the elect, will be saved
Billionaire Brother in Christ to Brother Ligon on his deathbed: Rest easy, Brother. I promise you that I will take care of your children and grandchildren, get them their first car and pay for college, health insurance, everything. Brother Ligon says "thank you" and passes away. Billionaire Brother shows up in Heaven 60 years later. Brother Ligon: Hey, you didn't take care of my kids and grandkids like you said you would! Billionaire: Well, I didn't like your kids, so WHAT I REALLY MEANT is that I would take care of MY grandson and HIS kids. Sorry, Brother, that is NOT OUR GOD. He will be faithful to his promises to Israel, no matter how much you try to replace Israel with the church. Grace. : )
Amen! CT reads INTO the Bible what it doesn’t say. *None* of their so-called covenants are in the Bible. They don’t exist. They’re made up by man. It’s a false doctrine that shoves eschatological into the basement & ignores the covenants for Israel in the last days bringing them to salvation💙🇮🇱
I mean no disrespect, brother. I love that you say, "Grace". These verses came to mind from Romans 9:3-8 (this is copy/pasted from the ESV) "For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers,[a] my kinsmen according to the flesh. 4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. 5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen. 6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7 and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring."
Amen. It’s absolutely man-made because none of their so-called covenants are in the Bible. He did a good job twisting their doctrine. Covenant Theology IS Replacement Theology. God does have a plan for the nation of Israel in the last days to bring them to salvation. 🇮🇱 💙
Thank you Ligon for bringing clarity to much confusion in the church today.
Amen thank you Ligon! The prophetic literalistic interpretation is such an issue in many evangelical circles. It is just a faulty hermeneutic but I can’t seem to convince my friends.
Our bodies are the temple of God. 🙂
The only replacement theology I believe in is that the old covenant has been replaced by the new covenant that was promised in Jeremiah as Hebrews makes so clear! It's actually the oldest covenant planned before the foundation of the world.
The Israel of God that Paul mentioned in Galatians 6 is either the people of Israel who are saved or the entire body of believers. He said that not all Israel is Israel, the children of the flesh are not the children of God.
You didn't explain Rev. Ezekiel ch. 38 though 48 and so many other prophecy in the Bible.
Revelation 12:17
[17]And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Anyone who gets saved, Jews or Gentiles, are only saved by becoming born again believers of Jesus Christ. The Bible is abundantly clear on this. Jesus said himself that unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. The church is the temple of God. Know ye not that your body is the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
I believe the major error of the protestant reformers was that they taught that a new dispensation was heralded in by Paul in Rom.ch.10.
They failed to take note that all of Pauls' letters begin with the greeting.".. to the saints of..".
All of his letters are addressed to already saved believers, saved before his letters were written.
The only account we have of Paul leading men to Christ is in Acts ch.19. In this chapter ,he leads them to Christ by following scripture precisely in line with Peters words in Acts 2:38.
This disproves dispensationalists' assertion that a new dispensation was revealed by Paul.
Lastly, how would Paul had been received, by already saved believers ,if he tried to introduce to them a new way to be saved ?
Acts 15:15-17 appears to be more a use of that prophecied principle that Gentiles will be saved, not that Gentiles now in the Church are a fulfillment of the rebuilding of the Temple. Imagine if Daniel had made such an assumption concerning the rebuilding of Jerusalem! The very trodding down of Jerusalem by the Babylonians was the fulfillment of the prophecy of the rebuilding of Jerusalem. Daniel would have then made a good Covenant preterist. By destroying Jerusalem the Babylonians had rebuilt it in Covenental type fulfillment. And Daniel's seventy years might have been the age determined for him.
Gentiles were grafted into the good olive tree. Some of the branches of Israel, not all, but the ones that continued in unbelief and disobedience were cut off of the olive tree. Only by becoming a born again believer of Jesus Christ can anyone be a part of that olive tree spoken of in Romans 11.
Excellent! Very helpful. Thank you.
"Pre-temporal covenant of redemption."
Uh . . . yeah.
Good thing he didn't claim to be using only the Bible, because that is not Bible language. That is some "extra-biblical" terminology and doctrine right there.
Not hard to find in the Bible, is it? "Before the foundation of the world" the plan of salvation was laid and ready, should Adam fall into sin, for which he had no excuse. That's all, isn't it.
@@Colin-to1nv - not sure what you're trying to say, Brother.
Are you able to give me a verse for that "pre-temporal covenant of redemption"?
@@hereticus40 Sure, as can reply right now, but not till later again.
This pastor's comment is his own wording, for the plan of salvation being made and prepared before the earth's creation, before our timeframe began. Eph 1:4 says it clearly as does 1 Pet 1:20, within the contexts for both those verses. The wording in Rev 13:8 is for believers after the first century, too.
Hope that helps.
Covenant theology makes a lot if sense... no two plans, no two people groups. ONE plan one people group. Praise God!!!
Not biblical
Just sounds good, like civility
The problem is that Covenant theology is incorrect in many aspects however there is some truth to it in others. And the same goes for "Dispensationalism". The problem we have is we can't seem to see the truth from the lies in each and we end up picking sides. These are the same errors the Pharisees and Sadducees made before the Chuch with Judaism. That GOD had replaced humanity as a whole with the Jews. They were specifically chosen by GOD to come out of the masses and bring His message to the world and this made them special above everyone else.
Covenant theology has just repackaged an old idea of the same errors people have made in the past. When you think you're the "epitome" of GOD's plan you become blind to other parts of His plan. This is what makes the Church a miracle and will promote jealousy in the Jews because GOD used us pagan, Scripturally illiterate people with no history with the LORD, to bring the Gospel. However, it took less than 1500 years for the Israelites to go from entering the Promised Land under the blessing of the LORD to being exiled from it in 70-135AD. We are 2000 years from Jesus and the same mistakes are being made by the Church that the Hews made. And this is why we are seeing our nations collapse.
2 Chronicles 7:14 if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.
Far too many Christians seem to be confused or oblivious to the overall framework of Scripture. Yes there is 1 plan and neither the Church nor the Jews fulfill the 1 plan in its entirety, yet both groups have a history of believing that their group has somehow "arrived" at the fullness of the LORD's plan.
The ONLY thing the Church does is show how the Gospel saves people from Hades which is why Jesus says
Matthew 16:17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
By having faith in Jesus and being saved we are saved from Hades, that's why the gates of Hades will never prevail because salvation saves us from hades.
Rev 1: 17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
2 Cor 5:6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. 7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
And the Church for a time will bring the Gospel to the nations. However, the Church is NOT the end tool.
Sadly, people both Jews and Christians have a habit of inventing ideas and as long as it sounds reasonable it can easily be adopted.
Postmillennialism is like this. The idea that the Church will spread the Gospel and everyone (or mostly everyone) will become Christian and then Jesus will return and we will hand the earth over to Him and skip into eternity all holding hands, sounds good. Totally false though. Not biblically supported at all.
Jesus in Luke 17 says: 26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
So when Jesus returns the world will be like the day of Noah and Sodom.
So what was the Days of Noah like?
Genesis 6:5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
How about Sodom?
Gen 18:23 And Abraham came near and said, “Would You also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24 Suppose there were fifty righteous within the city; would You also destroy the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous that were in it? 25 Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”
26 So the Lord said, “If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.”
Then we see Abraham negotiate the LORD down to 10 righteous. And the LORD agrees for 10 righteous He will spare the cities.
32 Then he said, “Let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak but once more: Suppose ten should be found there?”
And He said, “I will not destroy it for the sake of ten.”
The problem with most theology today is that it's rife with human fears, errors, shortsightedness, and biased history.
There are basically 2 issues that the LORD is going to rectify.
One comes via salvation through Jesus where we are made perfect and immortal.
When Adam and Eve sinned they went from immortal to motal. Genesis 3:17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’: “Cursed is the ground for your sake;
In toil you shall eat of it
All the days of your life.
18 Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, And you shall eat the herb of the field.
19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.”
The confusion between covenant theology and dispensationalism is that neither asks "What is the LORD wanting to accomplish?"
The Covenant theologians, see "Dispensationalism" as a framework where GOD changes. In this era, He deals with humanity one way and in the next era, He deals with humanity in another. To which a Covenant theologian says in their mind GOD never changes. So they reject Dispensationalism.
Yes we have the covenant of Redemption, however, both Jews and Christians see this covenant as limiting. The Jews saw only themselves and a few Gentiles who worshipped the GOD of Israel as being a part of GOD's redemption plan and if you listen to many Christian Pastors today you will hear how only a select few will be saved and most of humanity will go to Hell. The problem is that GOD's plan is to redeem and save the WHOLE world. And that plan is far more extensive than I have ever heard taught in a church. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for "shutting Heaven" to the lost, and many Christians today do the same. We look at the world and see most of the world as lost, with people dying every day without Jesus, very much how the Jewish religious leaders saw the world where most of the world was pagan. So we end up with this weird limiting theology.
The lie that Christians believe and how these "biblical theologies" were created is to rationalize and make sense of "What happens after people die?"
This is how we get the "covenant of works" and the covenant of grace" theology.
Since Jesus didn't come till He did and there is about 4000 years of biblical history between Adam and Jesus where did everyone go? If they couldn't be saved by the blood of Jesus then did they die and go to Hell? Did they have to abide by the rules (Noahide and Mosaic) to be saved??
I heard 1 pastor talk about this and say that "sinners do die and deserve Judgment and Hell"
And this is where the train goes off the tracks.
Dispensationalists (at least the original ones, not most today) saw salvation as grace and works or that there must be a different way than faith in Jesus for the Jews since the LORD has blinded the Jews to the identity of the Messiah until the fullness of the Gentiles. Romans 11.
And this messed them up because they taught that if you die without Jesus then you'll go immediately to an eternal hell. Which is a lie. But if this is part of your worldview then and you know because of Paul that the LORD has blinded the Jews to the identity of who Jesus is, then does God just blind people to salvation and send them to hell?? Trying to answer this question has resulted in a lot of false doctrines which Paul warns us about in Romans 11:25-27.
There is an abundant amount of biblical truth in both Covenant and Dispensationalism where they overlap to bring a greater clarity but instead, like humans like to do we focus on the errors not the biblical truth.
@@boldbeliever52There's always been only one plan of salvation which is the Gospel of Jesus Christ ordained of God before the foundation of the world.
Not all of Israel was cut off. Only the disobedient branches that continued in disbelief. We gentiles who are saved were grated into the good olive tree as Romans 11 makes clear. All of Israel and gentiles who are saved are part of the one good olive tree, and we're all one in Christ.
Very good
1:00 - Can you give me a single verse that says God only has one plan?
No?
So then that is something you imposed on the scripture, right?
But the Bible does say that God revealed something NEW to Paul, a mystery which had been *HID* from ages and from generations BUT NOW is made manifest to the saints (Col 1:26) . . . a mystery which was not made known unto the sons of men until Paul (Eph 3:3-6) . . . a mystery hid IN GOD (Eph 3:9) . . . and which even the princes in heaven didn't know about or else they would not have crucified Jesus (I Cor 2:7).
So there was the plan revealed in the OT, and then SOMETHING NEW revealed to Paul in the NT.
The very first verse in the Bible says God created 1) the heaven and 2) the Earth. Two realms. The OT was all about God reclaiming the Earth from Satan, but where was any talk about reclaiming heaven? No one, including the princes and principalities, mights and dominions, thought about it until Paul, when a new purpose and plan was revealed, the reconciliation of heaven to God
Sounds like at least two plans to me, Brother.
Grace. : )
so your saying God looked down ,and said :oops" didnt see that coming ,i better get a new plan
@@chrisarmstrong3200- thanks for taking the time to reply, Brother.
Can you quote where I said that or anything like it?
The church of this age was the ORIGINAL PLAN, wherein believers in Christ were chosen BEFORE the foundation of the world (Eph 1:4), but we were kept secret, otherwise Satan and his boys would not have sacrificed the Lord of glory (I Cor 2:7, 8)
Israel was chosen after us.
So this church age was the original plan, kept secret, while Israel was the family that God chose to accomplish this plan.
Grace. : )
God's only plan of salvation from before the foundation of the world is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. There's no other way to be saved except by the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. He's the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but by Him. There's no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved. The blood of animals was never ever able to take away sins.
Revelation 13:8
[8]And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
@hereticus40
I have just seen your comment and thought to respond.
Actually you are touching upon something very important and often overlooked. Personally I wouldn’t call it two plans but a plan or purpose that has more than one object, or encompasses more than just one thing. Permit me to enlarge.
In Colossians we are told, “And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.” Things in Heaven.That is also alluded to a few verses earlier, “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.”
The fall of Lucifer, the son of the morning, the rebellion in Heaven brought with it possible defilement with the ugly lying accusation that God’s creatures only served Him out of fear. We see this accusation oft repeated through the history of man. Had God immediately judged that rebellion it could have served to give apparent credence to that lie and so defile Heaven.
Lucifer as he then was sought to establish his own kingdom and realm independent from God having the same worship as God. He knew that God loved man and would not destroy man, so by man’s fall as the Serpent, he thought to have obtained immunity and his kingdom, knowing that it would be unrighteous of God to judge him and not man.
But the plan and purpose of God in the salvation of man was beyond the comprehension of any being, in that the thrice holy God would take man’s sin upon Himself, both obtaining the salvation of man and clearing the way for the judgement of the Devil and his angels by an open show of His unfathomable love as well as His righteousness. God, as it were, lived only for the good and blessing of His creatures. This utterly repudiates the lying accusation that God’s creatures only served Him out of fear and it thereby cleansed Heaven itself of any slur or defilement, any detraction from the happiness and perfection of Heaven. This glorious testimony remains for all the ages to come.
It makes Christ the very centre of all God’s dealings with His creatures and fulfills His purpose as described, “That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him,” and, “ That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.”
Of course we tend to be more concerned with His glorious and gracious dealings with us but He has also accomplished the perfect happiness of His faithful angels.
I fear I have not done sufficient justice in laying this out, but I hope it is enough.
Top notch summary of this amazing framework drawn from accepting unfolding Scripture on its own terms and not reading the OT as though the NT didn't exist :-)
Wow
No misconceptions, we know that men retreat into "theology" because they do not hear God.
"Theology" replace faith, does it not?
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. We are to hear God, live by every word that proceeds out of His mouth. This is the essence of the faith once delivered unto the saints, the like faith of the Apostles.
"Theology" is carnal and causes divisions, does it not? It is not living by the Spirit according to God's word. Men choose their "theology" and defend it against others, as you are doing. They have their "religion."
Christ had no "theology" but lived from the Father and all He did and said was given Him by the Father and consequently He applied the right word fitting for His hearer or hearers.
It is all about a living faith and not a "theology."
Theology is the study of God.
@@bobbyadkins6983
Then you admit it replaces faith.
We are not to "study" God! That is absurd!
It is also merely an intellectual excercise. How useless is that???
We are to hear God.
The Apoistles never "studied" God.
You confirm what was said.
Very sad.
@Must_not_say_that You seem to have some serious issues going on. We're to study God's Word, the Bible. You can't study the Bible, without studying what it says about God. We are to grow in our knowledge of God like the Bible says. Do you even read the Bible?
@@bobbyadkins6983
Yes it is a serious issue that people replace faith with study.
It is a serious issue they come up with conflicting theologies rather than hearing God.
It is also a serious issue that you do not understand that growing in the knowledge of God comes from an experiential walk with Him and not from any intellectual or mental study.
It appears that you have fallen into the same snare as the Jews of old when Christ declared to them that they searched the Scriptures, “for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.”
It is not clever of you to make personal judgements or to ask if I even read the Bible as if your are so superior and intellectuality gifted. That is a shame on you and actually confirms the objection that is being raised. Why do you do that instead of addressing the issue?
It is clear that study, theology, is engaged in to replace faith, and faith was laid out in the post. It appears you do not understand that.
Does not the Lord declare that Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God?
Is not understanding only given by God, out of His mouth?
We are everywhere exhorted to hear God, nowhere are we exhorted to any kind of “theology.”
The Gospel of Jesus Christ was foreordained of God before the foundation of the world. It was always His one and only plan of salvation. The blood of animals was never able to take away sins
If it's at all helpful to anyone, consider Romans 9:3-8 (this is copy/pasted from the ESV):
"For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers,[a] my kinsmen according to the flesh. 4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. 5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7 and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring."
Amen! \O/
Just read Acts which he refers to. Doesnt say what he says. How do the land promises made to Israel get fulfilled in me? Which plot of land beside the Euphrates do I get to claim? What nonsense.
Abraham and his descendants aren’t just promised cannan but actually the whole world as Paul makes clear in Romans 4:13, thus the new heavens and new earth, so all those who are heirs of Abraham, not just by flesh because we know that Ishmael wasn’t included, but those who are heirs according to the promise between Abraham and his seed, Christ, so the elect
Abraham and his descendants aren’t just promised cannan but actually the whole world as Paul makes clear in Romans 4:13, thus the new heavens and new earth, so all those who are heirs of Abraham, not just by flesh because we know that Ishmael wasn’t included, but those who are heirs according to the promise between Abraham and his seed, Christ, so the elect. Nations aren’t elect, individuals are and when Paul says all Israel will be saved, he’s simply saying that Gods plan of salvation for His elect will be complete in that the fullness of the gentiles coming into saving relationship with God will be the catalyst to save the wheat among the partially hardened ethnic Israel, the 7,000 who have not bowed the knee to Baal, simply the elect, thus all Israel, all those who He predestined to salvation, the elect, will be saved
Billionaire Brother in Christ to Brother Ligon on his deathbed: Rest easy, Brother. I promise you that I will take care of your children and grandchildren, get them their first car and pay for college, health insurance, everything.
Brother Ligon says "thank you" and passes away.
Billionaire Brother shows up in Heaven 60 years later.
Brother Ligon: Hey, you didn't take care of my kids and grandkids like you said you would!
Billionaire: Well, I didn't like your kids, so WHAT I REALLY MEANT is that I would take care of MY grandson and HIS kids.
Sorry, Brother, that is NOT OUR GOD.
He will be faithful to his promises to Israel, no matter how much you try to replace Israel with the church.
Grace. : )
Amen! CT reads INTO the Bible what it doesn’t say. *None* of their so-called covenants are in the Bible. They don’t exist. They’re made up by man. It’s a false doctrine that shoves eschatological into the basement & ignores the covenants for Israel in the last days bringing them to salvation💙🇮🇱
I mean no disrespect, brother. I love that you say, "Grace". These verses came to mind from Romans 9:3-8 (this is copy/pasted from the ESV)
"For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers,[a] my kinsmen according to the flesh. 4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. 5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7 and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring."
This Covenantal framework is beautiful but not Biblical
Of course itis biblical.
Amen. It’s absolutely man-made because none of their so-called covenants are in the Bible. He did a good job twisting their doctrine. Covenant Theology IS Replacement Theology. God does have a plan for the nation of Israel in the last days to bring them to salvation. 🇮🇱 💙
@@HarpazoReady2022 where do you see that in the NT?
@@rnolan45 Are you asking where in the Bible does God have a plan of salvation for Israel in the last days?
@@HarpazoReady2022 Yes, that is what I'm asking.
Acts 15 doesn't say that. I'm done here.
What doesn't it say, and what does it say instead?
501c3 I bet... these 501c3 babel buildings are disgusting.