ASOIAF is so indirectly hilarious cuz a queen burning down her OWN castle cuz she is scared her dwarf brother is gonna emerge from the walls to kill her sounds like outta a fairy tale
ASOIAF takes lot of aspects from fairy tails, from the top of my head : unlikely heroes, irony as an important part of the history, foreshadowing, songs etc
@@mrloadinggamecorrect. If you're interested in learning about the extensive mythological, philosophical and cultural inspirations and comparisons in ASOIAF do let me know
Cersei top 3 Looney Tunes moments: 3. Handmaiden shrinking dresses situation. 2. Thinking Tyrion and Varis were hiding in the most obscure places through out the whole book, to then, when it is probably ACTUALLY Varis in the walls, she thinks it’s rats. 1. Refusing to allow Lolis’ kid to be named Tywin. Then wanting to assassinate Bron because he named the kid Tyrion. Then accidentally making him a lord by botching the assassination. Comedy it it’s finest.
I mean the tywin part was actually understandable, naming your rape child with a simple mother one of the most powerful man that ever lived is a grievous insult in ASOIF
@@alilweeb7684 I guess understandable for Westerosi nobles. But would have been kinda fitting seeing as how Tywin was secretly just as scum of the earth as all the rest.
@@Rhaenyssupporter Straight out of a Tom and Jerry episode. When Falyse came back and told her what happened I died laughing. And then she got the Frankenstine special from Qyburn 💀💀💀.
I find crazy the "she is drinking and eating as Robert" because that can't be And then Cersei gets a scene forcing a lady of Dorne because she can, not because she is lesbian LMAO
@elipetrou9308 He might be dying, he might be alive and well He might be alive but heavily injured George can choose any one of these options, and they all can make sense with some additional dialogue
Reading Cersei’s chapters Feast was such a trip. I remember just stopping and thinking, “Wait, is she actually stupid?” It really hit me that most of her wins in the last book were basically accidental. She really thought that she was Tywin with tits, but she was closer to moonpie in the brain department.
yeah and as book readers we know this - but that's why I hate that the show portrayed her as some kind of evil mastermind, when in reality she's just a disaster 😂 way more entertaining too imo
Yeah, Cersei's main advantage is that she knows how to hide her stupidity and her stupidity along with her unpredictability gets results. The nobles just think "There's no way she can be so delusional and stupid" and Cersei takes advantage of that and makes her moves (hurting her own position more in the process). But yeah, once the masks are off and the person is well aware of who she really is, Cersei can't do anything about it and becomes useless. Take Kevan for example - he realized how stupid Cersei was, so he had little problems handling her, enough that Varys had to step in and remove Kevan so that Cersei could continue to wreak havoc and dig a grave for herself, her family, and the Tyrells and the Kingdom. She is literally a monkey with a grenade.
@@Romy-90 She is not comically stupid in the show, sometimes she is almost insightful, but she is still one of the stupiest characters there. She holds herself together just well enough that others humor her, but none of her plans works out for her.
@@nuralibolataev4474 she is so narcissistic she has a more bigger eagle than her father. She does not deserve any respect she deserves to be abandoned. Her father never disciplined her never showed it her ways. She just didn’t do all the work. It was her father. She always fights on the front line of Game of Thrones. In the end. She was the worst character ever she was nothing more than a one dimensional villain version of Guenever from King Arthur.
In Cersei VII (My favorite chapter of all time) Cersei says “Balon Greyjoy offered my father an alliance. Perhaps his son has offered one to Stannis.” Implying that she either believes Theon is in a position to be able to do such a thing….. Or that Euron is Balon’s son, which would be an egregious (even by her standards) mistake on her part or a typo by George so I assume the former.
Cersei’s POV is the only one in the book that made me laugh out loud mostly because I was astonished by how hateful and delusional she is. But I also feel bad for her. She’s very much a product of the broken systems that rule Westeros and because it’s all she knows, she weaponizes it against other people… to, uh, varied effect lol.
She's not a product of Westeros' system (alone), how many other ladies from the same system are totally different? She's mostly a product of her upbringing, like most people. Blaming the system only gets you so far.
11:35 - this is probably my favorite Cersei scene. It is straight out of the Office. The only thing missing is someone looking right into the camera. She goes on an unhinged and psychopathic rant about torturing Sansa, and her whole small council is just like: Harys Swyft: 👁👄👁... Orton Merryweather: 👀... Qyburn: 🫣🤫🤦♂️ Aurane Waters: ... you know what I haven't had in a while? Big League Chew.
Cersei's chapters are so full of little hypocrisies and lack of self-awareness and self-reflection and its just so hilarious. I swear, every page if not paragraph has some hypocritical kernel. When Jaime doesn't know a kinda obscure historical dude, Cersei thinks "He is near as ignorant as Robert." (Cersei III AFfC). When Cersei doesn't know some pretty important history, she confidently bowls on, to her eventual peril "Cersei had no idea what Jaehaerys the Conciliator might have sworn. "He did," she agreed" (Cersei VI AFfC) Cersei never felt grief for Robert, her reaction to finding out Tywin is dead is not at all sad: "There will be no more talk of forcing me to wed again. Casterly Rock was hers now, and all the power of House Lannister" (Cersei I AFfC) but when Margaery, who barely knew Joffrey, isn't grieving? How dare she! "Margaery should be mourning Joffrey, not marrying his brother. She should be as sick with grief as I am" (Cersei III AFfC) When Margaery thinks about doing violence to her septa captors, Cersei is gleeful: "A shame you did not do it, Cersei thought. Blinding some poor old septa would certainly persuade the High Sparrow of your guilt" (Cersei X AFfC), but 5 seconds later, when the High Septon tries to arrest her, Cersei pushes him, knocks over an old septa, claws another in the face and kicks others as they drag her to her cell. Cersei spends her PoVs endlessly bashing women, then when she's in her cell, she tries "appealing to the natural sympathy of one woman for another". After Cersei, an adulterous queen who frames Margaery for adultery by sleeping with Osney, gets arrested for adultery, you'd think she'd take a moment to reflect on all her mistakes, but oh no - "False friends, treacherous servants, men who had professed undying love, even her own blood … all of them had deserted her in her hour of need" (Cersei I ADwD) When confronted with something she doesn't like, Cersei's instinct is to throw wine in people's faces (Kevan in Cersei II AFfC; Jaime in Jaime II AFfC; she wants to do it to the wedding guests in Cersei III AFfC), and when that's not available, she tends to slap them (Ned in Eddard XII; Tyrion twice in Tyrion I ACoK; Tyrion in Tyrion V ACoK; Jaime in Cersei I AFfC; Jaime in Jaime III AFfC) She's simply the absolute worst and its great to see her downfall.
GRRM is a great writer that had the foresight of writing what's essentially becoming every modern woman: Delusional, entitled, no sense of accountability, perpetual victim mentality, hates men, sleeps around with everyone for personal gain, is obnoxious and insufferable.
@@TheKadanz It almost seems impossible to go anywhere online these days without some man launching into a bitter, unhinged rant about "modern women" in the comments of something completely unrelated.
@@TheKadanz Are you doing ok, buddy? You sound terribly aggrieved. We women are not an army of Cersei-clones. We are people like any other, with the same differences and nuances. Nor are we all that dissimilar from our sisters of generations past. If I might make an assumption and a suggestion, the sample size of women you know in real life might be too small, and your social media algorithm is likely imposing some rather egregious selection bias on the sort of content you find online. Broaden your horizons and I promise you will find the world less bitter.
I think Cersei’s biggest mistake is dismissing Kevan, he’s just lite Tywin and I mean that as an absolute compliment. He has Tywin’s military knowledge, family loyalty and problem solving but none of his cruelty or delusions, whilst also having people skills. Edit: Imagine watching this video and taking a shot every time Cersei makes a mistake 😂🦁
Kevan might seem just a Yes-man to Tywin. He kind of is, but only because Tywin has earned his position as the head of House Lannister. There's even a theory that Kevan has largely been the "brains" of the Lannister faction, with Tywin being the front-man (who obviously isn't stupid, but knows to listen to his brother.) One example of either case is Kevan explaining that Jaime didn't screw up when he divided his army into three, and that was the only way to siege Riverrun- the castle is located in the middle of a river confluence.
@@Xazamas Splitting the army into three is the only clear way of beseiging Riverrun, everyone knows that apart from people who haven't seen it, and Tyrion thinks that "Ser Kevan seldom “had a thought” that Lord Tywin had not had first." However I do agree, Tyrion does not give Kevan enough credit. Kevan knows how to play the game well and is very adept at doing so, but I think he lacks Tywins brilliance and cunning.
Correction on Jon Arryn's death. Pycelle actually identified the poison and was in a position to save him but chose not because he wanted to protect the Lannisiters. He admits this Tyrion before he jailed by him.
Honestly I am somewhat annoyed by how Cersei's paranoia towards the Tyrell's overshadows how legitimately evil some of their plans are. Like supporting a king with literally 0 claim, talking about how they will butcher the Lannister, then flip to the Lannisters semingly purely out of opportunism and marrying Margaery to Joffrey, while planning to kill him. By all indications the Tyrells really are amoral opportunists, but they seem so sensible in comparison.
I mean yeah. But that’s kinda the point they survive cause they understand how fragile their position is. Unlike the other houses they were never kings or relation to the Targaryens so they had to always watch out to stay in power.
The Tyrell's are just playing the game. Maybe more rough than others, but there is still a line between sensible caution and paranoia. And she is among the last persons in Westeros who would recognize that line.
Wait, what about the Stokeworth fiasco? Cersei somehow backpedaled into giving a commoner with ties to Tyrion ownership of the Stokeworth lands with that one!
Not having a Cersei POV until book 4 really had me believing she was this master schemer. Then during her 4th chapter I was like “ohh, I get it now……you’re an idiot 😮😮”
Cersei started out as one of my least favorite characters then became one of my favorites because it is SO FUN to have a POV that’s so wrong about so many things. It’s hilarious. Having a dumb POV that thinks she’s smart is comedy gold.
@ Right? In a story full of people all playing 4-D chess, there has to be at least one person (see: Dunning-Kruger Effect) that thinks they’re also playing 4-D chess but very much isn’t. 😂
@@laurelsilberman5705 specially when she's receiving her comeuppance, like when the High Sparrow won't let her leave the Sept. Almost as good as Janos Slynt losing his head. Cersei's game is less "4D chess" and more like "hungry hungry hippos"
With this video and your video on Jon, I think the comparison is stark (Ha!) and fascinating: Every decision Jon grapples with, he's almost fully aware of the costs and downsides, and acknowledges to himself when he's making the wrong choice for whatever reason. None of that for Cersai, every decision she makes is a master stroke, jumping between being Hannibal and Talleyrand depending on the context, and it's clearly the right decision because she's the one making it.
@@QuinnTheGM There should also be a video about the Greyjoy's mistakes. They're the only competition for Cersei in terms of incompetence and delusions, save for Joffrey.
@@seliamila1005 I think it’s because D&D gave him way too many show only scenes that made him look better than who he actually is while leaving out some of his unsavory moments. Tywin is D&D’s favorite character. Just look at how they treated him compared to how they treated Stannis. Also, Charles Dance. He carried Tywin real hard.
I do love how when reading Cersei’s chapters you can tell she is very intelligent, she just also has some deep untreated paranoia that distort all of her otherwise good assessments. She simply is no longer able to trust anyone she sees as complicit in the Purple Wedding, and that’s what breaks her.
Also, if I remember correctly, Tyrion reminiscences how Cersei could otherwise be great at game of thrones, but she perpetually fails to take into account that people aren't just pawns on a game board. They have their own goals and motivations. Most glaring example of this is when she tells Ser Balman Byrch and Falyse Stokeworth to arrange a "hunting mishap" for Bronn. Being a chivalrous knight, Balman instead challenges Bronn to single combat. With predictable results.
I think it’s fair to say Cersei, up until this point, has had to play aggro in the Game of Thrones because otherwise she will get sidelined the moment it becomes convenient. Basically the second the King dies she’s gotta fight to not just be sent home to Casterly Rock and married off to someone else. Her playbook doesn’t change between the first three books and Feast; she just loses the balancing forces that reacted to her big moves and kept things in line. Like I think she’s missing a Tyrion style reactive schemer to keep her plots in balance; I don’t think its a coincidence that Cersei starts to regain her footing back when being forced to challenge the Faith’s power grab (admittedly the very early stages now, but still), and simultaneously Tyrion was playing the follower so much he ended up a slave in Meereen until he took action to poison his handler and retake control of his life.
If Tyrion is Tywin writ small, Cersei is Tywin as a women. It's typical of George to have the two kids Tywin hated being the two that most take after him while the only one Tywin even remotely cared for basically told him to fuck off. A lot of people will hear me compare Cersei to Tywin and be shocked. "Tywin is smart" some may say, but no, show Tywin was smart. Book Tywin is an idiot. 90% of the problems the remaoning Lannisters face in Feast and Dance are directly because of Tywin. Myrcella getting cut is caused by Tywin. All of the fallout from the Red Wedding, Tywin's fault. The Sparrows are Tywin's fault. Cersei being a misogynist and paranoid is Tywin's fault. Tyrion getting framed for the murder, banished, and suffering are all Tywin's fault. Tywin was hand for months leading up to his death and did nothing but make the realm worse and his heir hate him. His death was entirely his own fault. And because Tywin was dumb as shit, he could never rule through anything besides fear. He is like Walder Frey, but instead of a single bridge, Tywin owns literally the biggest gold mines (plural, the lannisters have several) in the entire world. Cersei fucked herself over big time. This video is proof. She is delusional, paranoid, and misogynistic, and it all leads to hair poorly thought-out plots that only serve to make the situation worse. But she shares Tywin's innate lack of long-term planning. I've never seen two characters with such lack of foresight
I don't think Tywin is stupid. He's just cruel and machiavellian. He made the realm worse for the commons, but it was never his intention to improve their lives. His goal has always been to improve the position of House Lannister, and I think he achieved that through his cruel schemes. Yes, his achievements didn't outlast him, but I don't thibk it was due to a lack of intelligence, but to a lack of empathy and human decency. Imo, the takeaway is that Tywin's method (rule through fear), even if it is efficient in the short term, will not cause a lasting impact on the world, whilst Ned's method (rule through love and honor) will. Just look how almost everyone in the North is willing to do whatever they can to help his children.
@@incanusolorin2607"His goal has always been to improve the position of House Lannister, and I think he achieved that through his cruel schemes. Yes, his achievements didn't outlast him, but I don't thibk it was due to a lack of intelligence, but to a lack of empathy and human decency." “If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?” - Anton Chigurh, No Country for Old Men Tywin's schemes made the Lannisters the most powerful family in Westeros, but it has also made them universally despised. It's Walder Frey he's most like. And no one calls Walder a genius.
While Tywin made many grave errors he still made many competent moves. He re-asserted Lannister authority which had all but evaporated under his father, he was Hand of the King for almost two decades and did his (increasingly dangerous) job fairly well, and he maneuvered through Robert's Rebellion well enough to make his daughter a queen.
@@j.murphy4884: Reminds me of the Harkonnens in Dune. The propably single most powerful family besides the ruler but for being universially hated never able to win the political game.
There's so many great quotes to choose between, but I think my favorite Cersei moment is: It came back to her that Margaery and her hideous grandmother had once plotted to marry Sansa Stark to the little queen's crippled brother Willas. Lord Tywin had forestalled that by stealing a march on them and wedding Sansa to Tyrion, but the link had been there. They are all in it together, she realized with a start. The Tyrells bribed the gaolers to free Tyrion, and whisked him down the roseroad to join his vile bride. By now the both of them are safe in Highgarden, hidden away behind a wall of roses Yep Cersei, that totally definitely makes complete sense 😆
I think it's very ironic that Cersei is suspecting the Tyrells of everything going wrong yet she never suspects them for doing the one thing their are 100% guilty of: killing her son. That little detail is why I feel like Cersei is kind of justified in the stuff she does in A Feast For Crows.
I just looked it up, and ASoS was released in August 2000. I was 5 months old. Tywin has been dead as a character since I was 5 months old. Holy shit this series is old. Like, it’s gotta be one of the oldest ongoing series in fiction written by the same author
@ I’m of the camp that the last two books will be released, just likely posthumously and with the help of GRRM’s editors. I don’t think George himself will ever release them
@@emilybarclay8831He's proclaimed he wants his notes destroyed after death before. Unless he renegs, his wishes are that he be the only person who finishes the series. I reaaaaallly doubt we'll get Winds or Spring in any form unless he either walks that statement back or his estate goes against his wishes to appease the more annoying fans
@ eh, he’s also proclaimed he’s gonna finish the books multiple times. I think his actions speak louder than his words. He’s clearly been delaying writing ever since the original show ended
Main thing about Tywin and why he isn’t great: No one mourns his death aside from a few kin. Ned is beloved by his men long after his death. The North Remembers
I think Cersei may be my favorite POV because she's such a girlfailure. Also, speaking of favorite characters. I love that Aurane showed up, got a position as master of ships cause he vaguely looked like Rhaegar, convinced Cersei to build an bunch of ships and then immediately stole them and fucked off to the Stepstones. What a chad.
I don’t think Cersei was always as crazy as we see her in Feast. I’m sure what happened to Joffrey and Tywin and Tyrion set her over the edge. I think she was a lot more of a savvy actor in the first three books
Not really she was stupid and cruel from the begginig.She treated tyrion horribly even before the prophecy,killed her best friend when she was a girl,killed robert baby girl along with his baby twins,she had a crazy plan for the battle of blackwater which tyrion had to fix.The only difference is in feast she has more power so we see her doing even more stupid and crazy things
I think it all comes down to POV, she seems like a cruel woman at first, and then we go inside her mind and realize how stupid she is 😂 Also, in Feast she is very paranoid and she has power that she never had before, so she was out of the leash.
Agrees, she isn't totally unsuccessful, she outwits Ned Stark easily and Tyrions trial proved her to be pretty shrewd, she had him trussed up if not for Jaime.
Bro we red the same second book? She was so needless antagonizing tyrion at every step that she actually made the defense of her city harder, she was always this stupid and paranoic
I appreciate these videos, dude, it's always nice to have ASOIAF content put out fairly regularly and it's always well thought-out and interesting. I know you're more busy these days with schooling and stuff, but we appreciate the content, and I make sure to watch every vid.
I loved how late on Cersei became a PoV. I had so many ideas of the kind of person she was, and throughout her chapters, the horror just continued on in a more brutal fashion than I expected - had a failure of imagination even. I absolutely LIVED for reading her descent into madness and then fall from power - some of Martin’s best writing imo.
I seriously wish I could go back and reread Cersei’s chapters for the first time. The level of complete confidence in her idiocy was too much fun to read
Imagine how much better both Cersei and Tyrion's characters would have been in the second half of the show if she was tormented by an imaginary Tyrion.
My favorite part of the asoiaf community is that theres such a variety of ways to look at/ make cotnent about. Froms memes to full on analysis (i love the law perspective you add to it a lot of the time) to silly little cartoons and and all the way down to food descriptions. All these years later theres always a new fun thing to think about on this series i started because my dad thought the show was cool and i was stuck in the living room on my weekends there
I actually feel bad for Pycelle throughout this book as he gives her good, practical advice at every turn and she just drink wine and calls him old and timid. One can't say he wasn't loyal to house Lannister.
I believe the thing about Margaery and her handmaidens but just because I think all the Tyrells are gay or bisexual. They got the vibes, Cersei's gaydar is giving her the truth.
Let's put this in context. During his big peace love and apologies tour J the First made a lot of gestures to the faith. And yet he looked at Maegor law against the Faith Militant and said 'yeah I see the point.'
I have to be honest when I was reading ASOIAF I was excited to get Cersei's POV in Crows and was absolutely shocked to discover how stupid she actually was, constantly letting her emotion cloud her judgement. Absolutely wild stuff.
There is something to be said about the way Cersei Is a masterful way to showcase internalised Misogyny within a setting (her believing everyone underestimates her for her gender while still being horrible to other women) but to this day I think it's super funny how when she meets Margery and all her Handmadens her first thought is something like "Oh of course she's Gay like her brother why else would ANYONE want to hang around other women if not to bang them!"
I know it’s a show only line but that bit about Tywin saying he distrusts her because she’s not as smart as she thinks she is is SO true, even more so in the books too!
book cersei is my favorite girlfailure probably the one time she succeeds she actually loses in the long run and everything else is an ongoing circus affair
Am I the only one hopeful with the future of ASOIAF? I feel like Quinn’s videos like this are a prime example of how strong the series’ impact is on its own, and honestly they show me it’s nigh impossible publishers won’t find a fitting successor to at least conclude the plot. In my opinion, the real tragedy isn’t going to be that we won’t get a conclusion, the tragedy is going to be we might not have something close to George’s prose, which in my opinion is what really sets this above all other fantasy. George’s writing is some of the most beautiful I’ve ever read, genuinely strong romantic prose.
Upon my first reading of Crows as a highschooler, I was struck by Cersei's character. I thought the way love, fear, and other compelling emotions can lead an individual to make decisions that are reasonable for someone feeling that way, but circumstance conflicted with those choices to lead to bad results. Re-reading the series in my late 20s caused me to change my stance: I know believe both Cersei and my younger self were complete dumbasses incapable of seeing the obvious right in front of them, allowing themself to be willfully blinded through a false sense of empathy that they don't really posses.
I'm re-reading through Feast right now, and Pycelle is one of my favorite characters in this book. He's definitely at his peak in the series here, not because he's any better than he was in the first three books, but because he looks so wise compared to Cersei and the rest of her small council.
I think that the cyclical nature of the story means that Cersei will have the pyromancer as her hand. Jaime will relive the series of events, have to kill the mad "queen" and be jusged by a Stark for robbing the crown of its justice.
@17:54 Because why WOULD Euron be satisfied with the Shields, PARTICULARLY if Cersei was right and they’re just rocks, which would mean he just captured some islands he doesn’t really care about and there is a rich and fertile land that is now within spitting distance of him? And especially after just having won multiple battles to capture the shields, it is simply a logical assumption to make that Euron will continue attacking as long as he keeps winning
I wonder if she really is besoted with Cersei despite whatever she is planning. I kinda felt bad for Cersei since she lost a friend and seemed to care for Taena
@@Dani_1012 I found that chapter where Taena slept with Cersei fascinating as a mirror for how Cersei acted with Robert, right down to the end of the chapter where Cersei practices the same denial that he did. (Not subtle, GRRM, haha, but so much to unpack there, it's great!) And we know Cersei wasn't his loyal and faithful queen, so that suggests Taena also has her own agenda. Is she loyal to the Tyrells? She's from the Free Cities, so is she actually another Ilyrio/Varys plant, or a Targaryen loyalist? But it's true that she could also have been attracted to Cersei AND still be scheming the Lannister downfall. An interesting side character I'd love to see discussed more often!
I'm going to say I think Qyburn might prove to be an error in the long run. I don't really see any evidence that he's particularly loyal to Cersei; I think it's more likely that he just gravitates toward any situation that allows him to conduct his experiments.
@leeshropshire6346 Could be, but my read on it is that he wanted to see if he could do it, and now he's just going to watch him go and see what happens.
The first time I read the books feast was my least favorite. After 3 more read throughs feast has become my second favorite of the five. Cersei was so unhinged she made it a ride.
i don't doubt that tywin will only be remembered for being her father because of all the stuff that she is going to do in the future books. I think the paranoia is going to be coming in even harder with her moving on with the story since her uncle was also killed. i don't think she will trust anyone (maybe jaime but still arms length if not farther) and the self destruction levels are going to be through the roof.
With Cersei IX, i always saw all the accusations she was throwing at Pycelle as a way to fluster him and make him nervous so he would tell her why he was calling on Margery. It's one of her better moments of guille in Feast if only she didn't follow it up with her silly little plan
I know you are probably going to make a “every mistake dany makes” vid but I would love to see the opposite, a every mistake the free cities/slavers make Especially in the Tyrion sample chapter we see the commander making mistake after mistake, like sending cavalry against ships or telling brown Ben about tatters betrayal
No plans to do one of these for Dany - if anything, i'd like to write something of a defense of her chapters and actions in Dance, all of which i feel are way overhated.
Cersei's chapters are my favourite in ASOIAF. She is hilariously delusional and so tragically damaged. This was a great video. The only mistake I'd add is her paranoia and narcissism leading her to believe that Jaime is also her enemy. Like with Kevan Jaime offers her good counsel. But she dismisses Jaime as ignorant much like she dismisses Kevan's diplomacy for treachery. I don't really blame her when Jaime spouts nonsense like being a couple openly. Also she not only emotionally harms Tommen but alienates him, ironically something else she blames Margaery for
Eh... Sometimes it was good, other times not so much. Edit - Upon reading someone else's comment, I agree that when her performances fell flat, it was mostly due to the writing and not necessarily her acting abilities.
I recall an interview with her early in the show when asked if Cersei loved Jamie and she answered essentially that she doesn’t think Cersei loves Jamie but Cersei wants to BE Jamie…. A great insight from the actress, and I believe accurate for the character, especially since (I believe) she said she relied on the script not the books for her performance.
@@thing_under_the_stairs I agree. I wish I would have put that in my comment. She did a great job acting but the writing in later seasons left a lot to be desired, thus leading to lackluster performances.
I was always under the assumption that Tywin knew full well what his kids were up to. They intentionally separated the twins in the past for this behavior. In addition, though it was his cousin, the man was in love/married and slept with a family member himself so it's not like the thought would be improbable for him to ponder. He's highly intelligent, incredibly observant and ultraconcerned with his family's outward appearances, especially in regard to anything he would consider scandalous. His fathers actions, as far as sexual proclivities, were mundane in comparison, and those are the events that shaped him into this person so concerned with his appearance. What his kids are doing makes Tytos look like a gentleman and a scholar. . I think his treatment of Joffrey even shows it, or at least in the TV show, does he send the king to bed in the book too? If he thought that Joffrey was a truly legitmate king of unimpeachable blood, he would not have disrespected him in front of others like he would do to Tyrion. He would not want the Sun King to be insulted in front of anyone else. Knowing that he is the incestuous product that he is, he feels he's expendable, after all there's Tommen anyway.
ASOIAF is so indirectly hilarious cuz a queen burning down her OWN castle cuz she is scared her dwarf brother is gonna emerge from the walls to kill her sounds like outta a fairy tale
GRRM is darkly funny, Tywin was only seen smiling 7 times in his life, yet on his bier he is "grinning like a bride groom at his bedding" lmao
ASOIAF takes lot of aspects from fairy tails, from the top of my head : unlikely heroes, irony as an important part of the history, foreshadowing, songs etc
I mean Cersei is basically just the evil queen from Snow White only even more bat shit insane and narcissistic
Consider it a Grim fairy tale
@@mrloadinggamecorrect. If you're interested in learning about the extensive mythological, philosophical and cultural inspirations and comparisons in ASOIAF do let me know
Cersei top 3 Looney Tunes moments:
3. Handmaiden shrinking dresses situation.
2. Thinking Tyrion and Varis were hiding in the most obscure places through out the whole book, to then, when it is probably ACTUALLY Varis in the walls, she thinks it’s rats.
1. Refusing to allow Lolis’ kid to be named Tywin. Then wanting to assassinate Bron because he named the kid Tyrion. Then accidentally making him a lord by botching the assassination.
Comedy it it’s finest.
I mean the tywin part was actually understandable, naming your rape child with a simple mother one of the most powerful man that ever lived is a grievous insult in ASOIF
That Lollys scene was insane
@@alilweeb7684 I guess understandable for Westerosi nobles. But would have been kinda fitting seeing as how Tywin was secretly just as scum of the earth as all the rest.
@@Rhaenyssupporter Straight out of a Tom and Jerry episode. When Falyse came back and told her what happened I died laughing. And then she got the Frankenstine special from Qyburn 💀💀💀.
@@omarsaragozacause even Cersei’s stupid ass knows when to cut a loose end
I can fix her
I don’t wanna fix her whatever’s wrong with her is honestly hotter.
We can make her worse
Good luck
She can fix me
No she is MINE
"They're shrinking my dresses!"
Because Cersei Lannister cannot possibly be gaining weight.
You honestly struggle to find a chapter where she's not drinking like a fish
I find crazy the "she is drinking and eating as Robert" because that can't be
And then Cersei gets a scene forcing a lady of Dorne because she can, not because she is lesbian LMAO
@@Morfe02 Taena is Myrish
@@Morfe02 She's turning into Robert, only paranoid and unhinged.
Yesss give me thicc Cersei
The Winds of Winter is coming for the servant who sews Cersei's clothes tighter
I love that Loras Tyrell is asoiaf's version of Schrödinger's cat
Schrödinger's Twink
How so? Been a while since I read it
@elipetrou9308
He might be dying, he might be alive and well
He might be alive but heavily injured
George can choose any one of these options, and they all can make sense with some additional dialogue
Yeah. Jon too!
Reading Cersei’s chapters Feast was such a trip. I remember just stopping and thinking, “Wait, is she actually stupid?” It really hit me that most of her wins in the last book were basically accidental.
She really thought that she was Tywin with tits, but she was closer to moonpie in the brain department.
Did you mean Moonboy or Hotpie? It's kinda implied that moonboy is actually smart
yeah and as book readers we know this - but that's why I hate that the show portrayed her as some kind of evil mastermind, when in reality she's just a disaster 😂 way more entertaining too imo
Yeah, Cersei's main advantage is that she knows how to hide her stupidity and her stupidity along with her unpredictability gets results.
The nobles just think "There's no way she can be so delusional and stupid" and Cersei takes advantage of that and makes her moves (hurting her own position more in the process). But yeah, once the masks are off and the person is well aware of who she really is, Cersei can't do anything about it and becomes useless. Take Kevan for example - he realized how stupid Cersei was, so he had little problems handling her, enough that Varys had to step in and remove Kevan so that Cersei could continue to wreak havoc and dig a grave for herself, her family, and the Tyrells and the Kingdom. She is literally a monkey with a grenade.
@@Romy-90 She is not comically stupid in the show, sometimes she is almost insightful, but she is still one of the stupiest characters there. She holds herself together just well enough that others humor her, but none of her plans works out for her.
@@nuralibolataev4474 she is so narcissistic she has a more bigger eagle than her father. She does not deserve any respect she deserves to be abandoned. Her father never disciplined her never showed it her ways. She just didn’t do all the work. It was her father. She always fights on the front line of Game of Thrones. In the end. She was the worst character ever she was nothing more than a one dimensional villain version of Guenever from King Arthur.
In Cersei VII (My favorite chapter of all time) Cersei says “Balon Greyjoy offered my father an alliance. Perhaps his son has offered one to Stannis.” Implying that she either believes Theon is in a position to be able to do such a thing….. Or that Euron is Balon’s son, which would be an egregious (even by her standards) mistake on her part or a typo by George so I assume the former.
Good catch! Bump it to 88
Another indication she's out of touch and perpetually drunk by that point.
To be fair, she says no GOOD mother should outlive their child, so technically she was right
Cersei’s POV is the only one in the book that made me laugh out loud mostly because I was astonished by how hateful and delusional she is. But I also feel bad for her. She’s very much a product of the broken systems that rule Westeros and because it’s all she knows, she weaponizes it against other people… to, uh, varied effect lol.
Hurt people hurt people
@@jj947 And stupid hurt people hurt themselves in the process. Which is lowkey hilarious when it's Cersei doing it.
*glass falls on the ground*
Cercei: Tyrion must be behind it! (Maybe literally)
She's not a product of Westeros' system (alone), how many other ladies from the same system are totally different? She's mostly a product of her upbringing, like most people. Blaming the system only gets you so far.
@@fran3ro Yeah, she's a realistic depiction of what happens when you're raised by a father like Tywin.
11:35 - this is probably my favorite Cersei scene. It is straight out of the Office. The only thing missing is someone looking right into the camera. She goes on an unhinged and psychopathic rant about torturing Sansa, and her whole small council is just like:
Harys Swyft: 👁👄👁...
Orton Merryweather: 👀...
Qyburn: 🫣🤫🤦♂️
Aurane Waters: ... you know what I haven't had in a while? Big League Chew.
God, sometimes I wish D&D actually adapted A Feast for Crows, instead of whatever they did to season 5.
Can you imagine if we saw the Chad Warrior's Sons? That would be so cool. The Sparrow movement was done so dirty in the show.
Cersei needs to be the mastermind of the show 😂😂
By them Dumb and Dumber
@@Morfe02 don't think that was their intention given the ending.
Cersei's chapters are so full of little hypocrisies and lack of self-awareness and self-reflection and its just so hilarious. I swear, every page if not paragraph has some hypocritical kernel.
When Jaime doesn't know a kinda obscure historical dude, Cersei thinks "He is near as ignorant as Robert." (Cersei III AFfC). When Cersei doesn't know some pretty important history, she confidently bowls on, to her eventual peril "Cersei had no idea what Jaehaerys the Conciliator might have sworn. "He did," she agreed" (Cersei VI AFfC)
Cersei never felt grief for Robert, her reaction to finding out Tywin is dead is not at all sad: "There will be no more talk of forcing me to wed again. Casterly Rock was hers now, and all the power of House Lannister" (Cersei I AFfC) but when Margaery, who barely knew Joffrey, isn't grieving? How dare she! "Margaery should be mourning Joffrey, not marrying his brother. She should be as sick with grief as I am" (Cersei III AFfC)
When Margaery thinks about doing violence to her septa captors, Cersei is gleeful: "A shame you did not do it, Cersei thought. Blinding some poor old septa would certainly persuade the High Sparrow of your guilt" (Cersei X AFfC), but 5 seconds later, when the High Septon tries to arrest her, Cersei pushes him, knocks over an old septa, claws another in the face and kicks others as they drag her to her cell.
Cersei spends her PoVs endlessly bashing women, then when she's in her cell, she tries "appealing to the natural sympathy of one woman for another".
After Cersei, an adulterous queen who frames Margaery for adultery by sleeping with Osney, gets arrested for adultery, you'd think she'd take a moment to reflect on all her mistakes, but oh no - "False friends, treacherous servants, men who had professed undying love, even her own blood … all of them had deserted her in her hour of need" (Cersei I ADwD)
When confronted with something she doesn't like, Cersei's instinct is to throw wine in people's faces (Kevan in Cersei II AFfC; Jaime in Jaime II AFfC; she wants to do it to the wedding guests in Cersei III AFfC), and when that's not available, she tends to slap them (Ned in Eddard XII; Tyrion twice in Tyrion I ACoK; Tyrion in Tyrion V ACoK; Jaime in Cersei I AFfC; Jaime in Jaime III AFfC)
She's simply the absolute worst and its great to see her downfall.
GRRM is a great writer that had the foresight of writing what's essentially becoming every modern woman: Delusional, entitled, no sense of accountability, perpetual victim mentality, hates men, sleeps around with everyone for personal gain, is obnoxious and insufferable.
@@TheKadanz retard aah take
@@TheKadanz It almost seems impossible to go anywhere online these days without some man launching into a bitter, unhinged rant about "modern women" in the comments of something completely unrelated.
@@TheKadanz Are you doing ok, buddy? You sound terribly aggrieved. We women are not an army of Cersei-clones. We are people like any other, with the same differences and nuances. Nor are we all that dissimilar from our sisters of generations past.
If I might make an assumption and a suggestion, the sample size of women you know in real life might be too small, and your social media algorithm is likely imposing some rather egregious selection bias on the sort of content you find online. Broaden your horizons and I promise you will find the world less bitter.
I think Cersei’s biggest mistake is dismissing Kevan, he’s just lite Tywin and I mean that as an absolute compliment. He has Tywin’s military knowledge, family loyalty and problem solving but none of his cruelty or delusions, whilst also having people skills.
Edit: Imagine watching this video and taking a shot every time Cersei makes a mistake 😂🦁
Kevan might seem just a Yes-man to Tywin. He kind of is, but only because Tywin has earned his position as the head of House Lannister. There's even a theory that Kevan has largely been the "brains" of the Lannister faction, with Tywin being the front-man (who obviously isn't stupid, but knows to listen to his brother.)
One example of either case is Kevan explaining that Jaime didn't screw up when he divided his army into three, and that was the only way to siege Riverrun- the castle is located in the middle of a river confluence.
True for Kevan
Oh seven hells no - we'll all be in the hospital with alcohol poisoning
It's kind of hilarious because Cersei knows that family is the key to power. Yet she's trying to run roughshod over the realm as the solo Lannister.
@@Xazamas Splitting the army into three is the only clear way of beseiging Riverrun, everyone knows that apart from people who haven't seen it, and Tyrion thinks that
"Ser Kevan seldom “had a thought” that Lord Tywin had not had first."
However I do agree, Tyrion does not give Kevan enough credit.
Kevan knows how to play the game well and is very adept at doing so, but I think he lacks Tywins brilliance and cunning.
Correction on Jon Arryn's death. Pycelle actually identified the poison and was in a position to save him but chose not because he wanted to protect the Lannisiters. He admits this Tyrion before he jailed by him.
He admits to not have tried hard enough, he never said he identified the poison
“Lannisiters” is crazy 😭🙏
“Lannisiters” is crazy 😭🙏
@@HimselfMan96 Lannisisters vs Starkbros is the true battle in ASOIAF
Honestly I am somewhat annoyed by how Cersei's paranoia towards the Tyrell's overshadows how legitimately evil some of their plans are. Like supporting a king with literally 0 claim, talking about how they will butcher the Lannister, then flip to the Lannisters semingly purely out of opportunism and marrying Margaery to Joffrey, while planning to kill him.
By all indications the Tyrells really are amoral opportunists, but they seem so sensible in comparison.
I mean yeah. But that’s kinda the point they survive cause they understand how fragile their position is. Unlike the other houses they were never kings or relation to the Targaryens so they had to always watch out to stay in power.
They even hatched a brilliamt scheme to feed the poor cuz full bellies don't sharpen pitchforks. Who knew treating peasants well made them so docile?
The Tyrell's are just playing the game. Maybe more rough than others, but there is still a line between sensible caution and paranoia. And she is among the last persons in Westeros who would recognize that line.
Wait, what about the Stokeworth fiasco? Cersei somehow backpedaled into giving a commoner with ties to Tyrion ownership of the Stokeworth lands with that one!
Not having a Cersei POV until book 4 really had me believing she was this master schemer.
Then during her 4th chapter I was like “ohh, I get it now……you’re an idiot 😮😮”
I love so many POVs, it’s hard to pick one, but I do really like Cersei’s A LOT.
Cersei's chapters are great because they are a comedy of errors.
Only POV that makes me laugh out loud. I snicker at japes,and jokes but I could read a whole book of this insane bitches thoughts.
Cersei started out as one of my least favorite characters then became one of my favorites because it is SO FUN to have a POV that’s so wrong about so many things. It’s hilarious. Having a dumb POV that thinks she’s smart is comedy gold.
Yeah in a series full of genius Batman gambits it's so fun to have a character who thinks they're that but isn't.
@ Right? In a story full of people all playing 4-D chess, there has to be at least one person (see: Dunning-Kruger Effect) that thinks they’re also playing 4-D chess but very much isn’t. 😂
@@laurelsilberman5705 specially when she's receiving her comeuppance, like when the High Sparrow won't let her leave the Sept. Almost as good as Janos Slynt losing his head. Cersei's game is less "4D chess" and more like "hungry hungry hippos"
18:52 “Cersei Ate” 💅
With this video and your video on Jon, I think the comparison is stark (Ha!) and fascinating: Every decision Jon grapples with, he's almost fully aware of the costs and downsides, and acknowledges to himself when he's making the wrong choice for whatever reason. None of that for Cersai, every decision she makes is a master stroke, jumping between being Hannibal and Talleyrand depending on the context, and it's clearly the right decision because she's the one making it.
tbh reading her chapters just feels like listening to the average asoiaf theorists
I want similar episode for Tywin's mistakes.
I’ve been dying to tear Tywin apart for FOREVER
I would let myself be consumed by maggots before mocking the family name and making a video about Tywin's mistakes
@@QuinnTheGM There should also be a video about the Greyjoy's mistakes. They're the only competition for Cersei in terms of incompetence and delusions, save for Joffrey.
@@QuinnTheGMplease please rip Tywin apart 😂 I always thought the fandom hyped him up waaay too much
@@seliamila1005 I think it’s because D&D gave him way too many show only scenes that made him look better than who he actually is while leaving out some of his unsavory moments. Tywin is D&D’s favorite character. Just look at how they treated him compared to how they treated Stannis.
Also, Charles Dance. He carried Tywin real hard.
I do love how when reading Cersei’s chapters you can tell she is very intelligent, she just also has some deep untreated paranoia that distort all of her otherwise good assessments. She simply is no longer able to trust anyone she sees as complicit in the Purple Wedding, and that’s what breaks her.
Also, if I remember correctly, Tyrion reminiscences how Cersei could otherwise be great at game of thrones, but she perpetually fails to take into account that people aren't just pawns on a game board. They have their own goals and motivations. Most glaring example of this is when she tells Ser Balman Byrch and Falyse Stokeworth to arrange a "hunting mishap" for Bronn. Being a chivalrous knight, Balman instead challenges Bronn to single combat. With predictable results.
Fear makes the most intelligent man into a fool
I think it’s fair to say Cersei, up until this point, has had to play aggro in the Game of Thrones because otherwise she will get sidelined the moment it becomes convenient. Basically the second the King dies she’s gotta fight to not just be sent home to Casterly Rock and married off to someone else. Her playbook doesn’t change between the first three books and Feast; she just loses the balancing forces that reacted to her big moves and kept things in line.
Like I think she’s missing a Tyrion style reactive schemer to keep her plots in balance; I don’t think its a coincidence that Cersei starts to regain her footing back when being forced to challenge the Faith’s power grab (admittedly the very early stages now, but still), and simultaneously Tyrion was playing the follower so much he ended up a slave in Meereen until he took action to poison his handler and retake control of his life.
@@Xazamas Which makes her very like Tywin.
The smart gene skipped a generation and passed down to Myrcella
If Tyrion is Tywin writ small, Cersei is Tywin as a women. It's typical of George to have the two kids Tywin hated being the two that most take after him while the only one Tywin even remotely cared for basically told him to fuck off.
A lot of people will hear me compare Cersei to Tywin and be shocked. "Tywin is smart" some may say, but no, show Tywin was smart. Book Tywin is an idiot. 90% of the problems the remaoning Lannisters face in Feast and Dance are directly because of Tywin.
Myrcella getting cut is caused by Tywin. All of the fallout from the Red Wedding, Tywin's fault. The Sparrows are Tywin's fault. Cersei being a misogynist and paranoid is Tywin's fault. Tyrion getting framed for the murder, banished, and suffering are all Tywin's fault.
Tywin was hand for months leading up to his death and did nothing but make the realm worse and his heir hate him. His death was entirely his own fault.
And because Tywin was dumb as shit, he could never rule through anything besides fear. He is like Walder Frey, but instead of a single bridge, Tywin owns literally the biggest gold mines (plural, the lannisters have several) in the entire world.
Cersei fucked herself over big time. This video is proof. She is delusional, paranoid, and misogynistic, and it all leads to hair poorly thought-out plots that only serve to make the situation worse. But she shares Tywin's innate lack of long-term planning.
I've never seen two characters with such lack of foresight
I don't think Tywin is stupid. He's just cruel and machiavellian. He made the realm worse for the commons, but it was never his intention to improve their lives. His goal has always been to improve the position of House Lannister, and I think he achieved that through his cruel schemes. Yes, his achievements didn't outlast him, but I don't thibk it was due to a lack of intelligence, but to a lack of empathy and human decency.
Imo, the takeaway is that Tywin's method (rule through fear), even if it is efficient in the short term, will not cause a lasting impact on the world, whilst Ned's method (rule through love and honor) will. Just look how almost everyone in the North is willing to do whatever they can to help his children.
@@incanusolorin2607"His goal has always been to improve the position of House Lannister, and I think he achieved that through his cruel schemes. Yes, his achievements didn't outlast him, but I don't thibk it was due to a lack of intelligence, but to a lack of empathy and human decency."
“If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?” - Anton Chigurh, No Country for Old Men
Tywin's schemes made the Lannisters the most powerful family in Westeros, but it has also made them universally despised. It's Walder Frey he's most like. And no one calls Walder a genius.
Tywin never hated cersei.
While Tywin made many grave errors he still made many competent moves. He re-asserted Lannister authority which had all but evaporated under his father, he was Hand of the King for almost two decades and did his (increasingly dangerous) job fairly well, and he maneuvered through Robert's Rebellion well enough to make his daughter a queen.
@@j.murphy4884: Reminds me of the Harkonnens in Dune. The propably single most powerful family besides the ruler but for being universially hated never able to win the political game.
I feel her. I too am surrounded by enemies I constantly misidentify
There's so many great quotes to choose between, but I think my favorite Cersei moment is:
It came back to her that Margaery and her hideous grandmother had once plotted to marry Sansa Stark to the little queen's crippled brother Willas. Lord Tywin had forestalled that by stealing a march on them and wedding Sansa to Tyrion, but the link had been there. They are all in it together, she realized with a start. The Tyrells bribed the gaolers to free Tyrion, and whisked him down the roseroad to join his vile bride. By now the both of them are safe in Highgarden, hidden away behind a wall of roses
Yep Cersei, that totally definitely makes complete sense 😆
Cersei: "They're in the walls! THEY'RE IN THE GODDAMN WALLS!!!!!!"
I think it's very ironic that Cersei is suspecting the Tyrells of everything going wrong yet she never suspects them for doing the one thing their are 100% guilty of: killing her son. That little detail is why I feel like Cersei is kind of justified in the stuff she does in A Feast For Crows.
I just looked it up, and ASoS was released in August 2000. I was 5 months old. Tywin has been dead as a character since I was 5 months old. Holy shit this series is old. Like, it’s gotta be one of the oldest ongoing series in fiction written by the same author
"Ongoing" implies we'll get another book 😔
@ I’m of the camp that the last two books will be released, just likely posthumously and with the help of GRRM’s editors. I don’t think George himself will ever release them
@@emilybarclay8831Preston Jacobs is already releasing Winds without George’s notes
@@emilybarclay8831He's proclaimed he wants his notes destroyed after death before. Unless he renegs, his wishes are that he be the only person who finishes the series. I reaaaaallly doubt we'll get Winds or Spring in any form unless he either walks that statement back or his estate goes against his wishes to appease the more annoying fans
@ eh, he’s also proclaimed he’s gonna finish the books multiple times. I think his actions speak louder than his words. He’s clearly been delaying writing ever since the original show ended
definitely one of grrms strongest characters. Aurane waters runing off with the dromonds is a captial H hilarious moment in one of the Cersei chapters
Main thing about Tywin and why he isn’t great: No one mourns his death aside from a few kin. Ned is beloved by his men long after his death. The North Remembers
I think Cersei may be my favorite POV because she's such a girlfailure.
Also, speaking of favorite characters. I love that Aurane showed up, got a position as master of ships cause he vaguely looked like Rhaegar, convinced Cersei to build an bunch of ships and then immediately stole them and fucked off to the Stepstones. What a chad.
It’s crazy how many of her mistakes were caused by her narcissistic mindset.
Every time Cersei Lannister is wrong, also known as every time
I don’t think Cersei was always as crazy as we see her in Feast. I’m sure what happened to Joffrey and Tywin and Tyrion set her over the edge. I think she was a lot more of a savvy actor in the first three books
Not really she was stupid and cruel from the begginig.She treated tyrion horribly even before the prophecy,killed her best friend when she was a girl,killed robert baby girl along with his baby twins,she had a crazy plan for the battle of blackwater which tyrion had to fix.The only difference is in feast she has more power so we see her doing even more stupid and crazy things
There's a difference between cruel and derranged
I think it all comes down to POV, she seems like a cruel woman at first, and then we go inside her mind and realize how stupid she is 😂
Also, in Feast she is very paranoid and she has power that she never had before, so she was out of the leash.
Agrees, she isn't totally unsuccessful, she outwits Ned Stark easily and Tyrions trial proved her to be pretty shrewd, she had him trussed up if not for Jaime.
Bro we red the same second book? She was so needless antagonizing tyrion at every step that she actually made the defense of her city harder, she was always this stupid and paranoic
I appreciate these videos, dude, it's always nice to have ASOIAF content put out fairly regularly and it's always well thought-out and interesting. I know you're more busy these days with schooling and stuff, but we appreciate the content, and I make sure to watch every vid.
Cersei is so delusional that she probably thinks Mance Rayder is secretly Ser Arthur Dayne.
Her chapters are exceptional but they make me feel like I’m losing my sanity
They make me feel like I’m being gaslit
Under half an hour?
The archives are incomplete……
At this point, Cersei's going to get the Lannister theme changed from The Reynes of Castamere to Entrance of the Gladiators Lmao
I loved how late on Cersei became a PoV. I had so many ideas of the kind of person she was, and throughout her chapters, the horror just continued on in a more brutal fashion than I expected - had a failure of imagination even. I absolutely LIVED for reading her descent into madness and then fall from power - some of Martin’s best writing imo.
When you did the drum roll and named the total number of errors I laughed out loud extremely hard, well done!
I absolutely love your channel
I seriously wish I could go back and reread Cersei’s chapters for the first time. The level of complete confidence in her idiocy was too much fun to read
I hear the original name for this video was “A Feast For Crows”
Imagine how much better both Cersei and Tyrion's characters would have been in the second half of the show if she was tormented by an imaginary Tyrion.
There no worse decision in this series than Ned confronting Queen Cersei and telling her his plan giving her plenty of time to prepare
17:20 brings WHAT of Euron Greyjoy??
She needs to bring some for me too🙏🙏
saw your tweet about being nervous to post this, as an avid cersei lover THANK YOU! i love learning abt my mother, faults included
These kinds of videos are actually pretty good as prepping for winter
I'm glad you made this video in the end. Never let one fan account on Twitter dictate what video you're allowed to make
My favorite part of the asoiaf community is that theres such a variety of ways to look at/ make cotnent about. Froms memes to full on analysis (i love the law perspective you add to it a lot of the time) to silly little cartoons and and all the way down to food descriptions. All these years later theres always a new fun thing to think about on this series i started because my dad thought the show was cool and i was stuck in the living room on my weekends there
George nailed Cersei's POV chapters so well that they were actually really uncomfortable to read through.
I’m surprised this isn’t an hour long
I’m a picture of efficiency
I honestly thought this video would be like 3 hours AT LEAST.
It was, but Cersei's maids shrunk it
I actually feel bad for Pycelle throughout this book as he gives her good, practical advice at every turn and she just drink wine and calls him old and timid. One can't say he wasn't loyal to house Lannister.
Averaging 9 per game 🙏 thats my GOAT 🐐 📢‼️
FRAUD Snow could never hope to match The Beauty of the Rock's stats
I believe the thing about Margaery and her handmaidens but just because I think all the Tyrells are gay or bisexual. They got the vibes, Cersei's gaydar is giving her the truth.
Let's put this in context.
During his big peace love and apologies tour J the First made a lot of gestures to the faith. And yet he looked at Maegor law against the Faith Militant and said 'yeah I see the point.'
I have to be honest when I was reading ASOIAF I was excited to get Cersei's POV in Crows and was absolutely shocked to discover how stupid she actually was, constantly letting her emotion cloud her judgement. Absolutely wild stuff.
There is something to be said about the way Cersei Is a masterful way to showcase internalised Misogyny within a setting (her believing everyone underestimates her for her gender while still being horrible to other women) but to this day I think it's super funny how when she meets Margery and all her Handmadens her first thought is something like "Oh of course she's Gay like her brother why else would ANYONE want to hang around other women if not to bang them!"
I know it’s a show only line but that bit about Tywin saying he distrusts her because she’s not as smart as she thinks she is is SO true, even more so in the books too!
book cersei is my favorite girlfailure probably the one time she succeeds she actually loses in the long run and everything else is an ongoing circus affair
It’s ironic that in order to tear out the rose’s vines, Cersei’s finds herself and King’s Landing completely entangled by them.
Am I the only one hopeful with the future of ASOIAF? I feel like Quinn’s videos like this are a prime example of how strong the series’ impact is on its own, and honestly they show me it’s nigh impossible publishers won’t find a fitting successor to at least conclude the plot. In my opinion, the real tragedy isn’t going to be that we won’t get a conclusion, the tragedy is going to be we might not have something close to George’s prose, which in my opinion is what really sets this above all other fantasy. George’s writing is some of the most beautiful I’ve ever read, genuinely strong romantic prose.
True, with good outlines another writes could finish this series, but George does write some of the best fantasy prose out there atm.
✨gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss✨
Upon my first reading of Crows as a highschooler, I was struck by Cersei's character. I thought the way love, fear, and other compelling emotions can lead an individual to make decisions that are reasonable for someone feeling that way, but circumstance conflicted with those choices to lead to bad results.
Re-reading the series in my late 20s caused me to change my stance: I know believe both Cersei and my younger self were complete dumbasses incapable of seeing the obvious right in front of them, allowing themself to be willfully blinded through a false sense of empathy that they don't really posses.
I think you just got bitter over time, and your first impressions were correct
@incanusolorin2607 i think I got better a reading a situation.
I'm re-reading through Feast right now, and Pycelle is one of my favorite characters in this book. He's definitely at his peak in the series here, not because he's any better than he was in the first three books, but because he looks so wise compared to Cersei and the rest of her small council.
Not the Kettlebasket... I love this channel
I think that the cyclical nature of the story means that Cersei will have the pyromancer as her hand. Jaime will relive the series of events, have to kill the mad "queen" and be jusged by a Stark for robbing the crown of its justice.
@17:54 Because why WOULD Euron be satisfied with the Shields, PARTICULARLY if Cersei was right and they’re just rocks, which would mean he just captured some islands he doesn’t really care about and there is a rich and fertile land that is now within spitting distance of him? And especially after just having won multiple battles to capture the shields, it is simply a logical assumption to make that Euron will continue attacking as long as he keeps winning
Cersei is one of my favorite fictional characters ever. she’s so self centered and delusional, I find it fascinating reading her thoughts and actions
She would believe in the time travelling fetus
Have you ever done a deep dive on Taena? This video reminded me that I haven't seen many discussions about her and her true motivations.
I wonder if she really is besoted with Cersei despite whatever she is planning. I kinda felt bad for Cersei since she lost a friend and seemed to care for Taena
She's an agent of Varys trying to destabilise the Lannisters. 😎
@@Dani_1012 I found that chapter where Taena slept with Cersei fascinating as a mirror for how Cersei acted with Robert, right down to the end of the chapter where Cersei practices the same denial that he did. (Not subtle, GRRM, haha, but so much to unpack there, it's great!) And we know Cersei wasn't his loyal and faithful queen, so that suggests Taena also has her own agenda. Is she loyal to the Tyrells? She's from the Free Cities, so is she actually another Ilyrio/Varys plant, or a Targaryen loyalist? But it's true that she could also have been attracted to Cersei AND still be scheming the Lannister downfall. An interesting side character I'd love to see discussed more often!
@@mattavery7581 This is the theory that feels most right to me!
I'm going to say I think Qyburn might prove to be an error in the long run. I don't really see any evidence that he's particularly loyal to Cersei; I think it's more likely that he just gravitates toward any situation that allows him to conduct his experiments.
I mean he did make her a Frankenstein monster so he must have some sense of duty
@leeshropshire6346 Could be, but my read on it is that he wanted to see if he could do it, and now he's just going to watch him go and see what happens.
@@theanarchistcook possibly but unless he’s got some trick to make the creature obey him it’s stupid to give it to someone clearly incompetent
Cersei: "Jaime would never leave me, my letter just hasn't reached him yet..."
Jaime: *left Cersei's letter on read*
LOL 🤡
Sidenote- King on the Cersei playlist is so perfect.
Actually Pycelle did help along Jon Arryn's death by not treating him properly - as he thought Cersei was the one behind his poisoning
I can make her worse
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cersei is literally me
its so crazy that asoiaf an channel still pulls 35k views in one day
I’m baffled
This video was awesome I might need a Ned version for a game of thrones
The first time I read the books feast was my least favorite. After 3 more read throughs feast has become my second favorite of the five. Cersei was so unhinged she made it a ride.
i don't doubt that tywin will only be remembered for being her father because of all the stuff that she is going to do in the future books. I think the paranoia is going to be coming in even harder with her moving on with the story since her uncle was also killed. i don't think she will trust anyone (maybe jaime but still arms length if not farther) and the self destruction levels are going to be through the roof.
12:27 tbh would actually be so interested in seeing oberyn martell attempt this
I wonder how many people would die if "every time Cersei was wrong" was turned into a drinking game? ^^;
I’m surprised this isn’t a six hour video given the topic
With Cersei IX, i always saw all the accusations she was throwing at Pycelle as a way to fluster him and make him nervous so he would tell her why he was calling on Margery. It's one of her better moments of guille in Feast if only she didn't follow it up with her silly little plan
That jeter picture with the errors was hilarious
Calling Cersei’s genius plans and deductions errors? I don’t know Quinn that sounds an awful lot like treason.
Tyrion is hiding in the comments
I know you are probably going to make a “every mistake dany makes” vid but I would love to see the opposite, a every mistake the free cities/slavers make
Especially in the Tyrion sample chapter we see the commander making mistake after mistake, like sending cavalry against ships or telling brown Ben about tatters betrayal
No plans to do one of these for Dany - if anything, i'd like to write something of a defense of her chapters and actions in Dance, all of which i feel are way overhated.
She's just a girl 🎀
Surprisingly short video with that topic
Cersei's chapters are my favourite in ASOIAF. She is hilariously delusional and so tragically damaged. This was a great video. The only mistake I'd add is her paranoia and narcissism leading her to believe that Jaime is also her enemy. Like with Kevan Jaime offers her good counsel. But she dismisses Jaime as ignorant much like she dismisses Kevan's diplomacy for treachery. I don't really blame her when Jaime spouts nonsense like being a couple openly. Also she not only emotionally harms Tommen but alienates him, ironically something else she blames Margaery for
Can we appreciate LENA HEADEY'S performance as Cersei ❤️❤️🔥🔥
Eh... Sometimes it was good, other times not so much.
Edit - Upon reading someone else's comment, I agree that when her performances fell flat, it was mostly due to the writing and not necessarily her acting abilities.
I recall an interview with her early in the show when asked if Cersei loved Jamie and she answered essentially that she doesn’t think Cersei loves Jamie but Cersei wants to BE Jamie…. A great insight from the actress, and I believe accurate for the character, especially since (I believe) she said she relied on the script not the books for her performance.
Lena Heady played the part brilliantly. I only wish she'd had decent scripts to work from for the last 4 seasons!
@@thing_under_the_stairs I agree. I wish I would have put that in my comment. She did a great job acting but the writing in later seasons left a lot to be desired, thus leading to lackluster performances.
@@dr4d1sshe was good when her material was good. There’s only so much an actress can do when the character only looks out of balconies for three years
bro doesn’t even say jon con any more he just puts him on screen
I was always under the assumption that Tywin knew full well what his kids were up to. They intentionally separated the twins in the past for this behavior. In addition, though it was his cousin, the man was in love/married and slept with a family member himself so it's not like the thought would be improbable for him to ponder. He's highly intelligent, incredibly observant and ultraconcerned with his family's outward appearances, especially in regard to anything he would consider scandalous. His fathers actions, as far as sexual proclivities, were mundane in comparison, and those are the events that shaped him into this person so concerned with his appearance. What his kids are doing makes Tytos look like a gentleman and a scholar. . I think his treatment of Joffrey even shows it, or at least in the TV show, does he send the king to bed in the book too? If he thought that Joffrey was a truly legitmate king of unimpeachable blood, he would not have disrespected him in front of others like he would do to Tyrion. He would not want the Sun King to be insulted in front of anyone else. Knowing that he is the incestuous product that he is, he feels he's expendable, after all there's Tommen anyway.
I love Cersei sm, like GO QUEEN!!!! YES HE IS IN THE FLOORBOARDS!!!
For a Jon Snow playlist: The Wolf and the Woods by Mary Epworth
Brilliant video idea! Can't wait to see a variation of the theme