Edward Said's "Orientalism" (Part 2/3)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ส.ค. 2022
- In this episode, I cover chapter two of Edward Said's "Orientalism."
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Hiii. I love the episode. Ive read Orientalism years ago and wanted to refresh my knowledge on the book so I wanted to listen your podcast. However, I have a point to make; Turkey is not a European country, it has never been. Turkey is located in the Asian continent and falls under MENA. Yes there is small mass of land is considered as European peninsula which is where Istanbul is located but that doesn’t make the whole country Europe. Just wanted to make it clear:)
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these lectures were brilliant and helped me greatly trough my exams, so a dear thank you. The critique of Marx is very poor tho
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You seriously think that calling Turkey Arabic is in line with the text because different cultures are grouped together under the term "oriental"? I'm sorry, but that's just stupid. Oriental isn't synonymous with Arabic, Turkey isn't Arabic and Said would not call Turkey Arabic.
I thought David clarified himself in the beginning of the video. He does mention and I am sure he is aware how other other ethnicities exist in Turkey besides Arabic. Let's not be too critical 😊
Seriously u still on that?
You must be those kind of people that come to podcasts just to criticize
He is giving his time for free to enrich us with culture and a great reading and u come to spoil.
People like u must be really unhappy.
@@prerna22munshi The thing is even (ethnically) there are no Arabs in Turkey, Turkey has never been Arabic, Arabs exist in the Arabian Peninsula, Arabs exist in the following countries: Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Emirates, Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait and Yemen.
Arab Genetic influence of course exists in the whole of MENA region due to the Islamic conquests but not enough to consider any of those people as predominantly Arabs, even Syrians, Iraqis and Lebanese people are not Arabs and they are very close to the Arabian Peninsula, so let alone countries like Turkey or North African ones like Morocco and Algeria.
Just like we don't consider Mexicans to be Spanish or Brazilians to be Portuguese, Turkey is not Arabic and Islamic culture is not Arabic.
He can state that clearly and consider it Islamic culture in Turkey because not even Arabs from the same country have similar customs, a Saudi from Taif would have a completely different mindset and cultural structure than his fellow countryman from Jeddah and that's the same country, when Muslims meet in pilgrimage they all get cultural shocks from each other, it's completely stupid, inaccurate and non-academic to just throw a term like Arabic without explanation in an academic discussion like this. He needs to be accurate, that's all.
My goodness. He addresses that mistake within the first minute of this episode. Did you miss that?
Like he said, it was a mistake but it also illustrates a point about this text and the topic it covers. Said doesn't define the perimeter of "Orient", while also repeatedly using "Arab-Moslem", giving the impression that these terms are in some way equivalent or similar. One could thus argue that Said is guilty of what he criticizes about European orientalism, namely essentializing diverse cultures and populations. Calling what is now Turkey an Arab nation is a mistake, but it is in line with the vague geography of Said's notion of the Orient. The point was not to justify the mistake, but rather to show how Said, much like the orientalist discourse he tries to deconstruct, adopts a questionable definition of "Orient". That's how I understood it, anyway.