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Fun fact (from drachs video) after the New Orleans had her bow blown off, she collided with the still floating bow, technically making her the only ship to have rammed herself.
My Grandfather was there. He said the bow was glowing white. He passed away at 100 a few years ago. The stories he had were amazing. Definitely the greatest generation.
American admiral in charge of TF-67 also made good career for himself after that. He later was placed in charged of warehouses which exploded, and he court martialed 50 Black sailors for refusal to return to duties over concerns of his dangerous incompetence. What a joke...
“Ah! ofcorse! They are less developing than us! They cannot have better technology than ours!” -“Sir, is that our Cruiser Nose?” “Seems Like it” -“I do afraid enemy torpedoes are around here, what shall we do sir?” “Dont be afraid! Keep sailing on a straight line”
From Wikipedia: “Admiral Wright was awarded the Navy Cross for his performance in the battle, but was also reassigned to shore duty in Washington, DC.”
I know, isn’t it disgusting? And if one of his commanders had violated orders in order to timely launch torpedoes snd to inflict damage on the enemy and protect his ships, he probably would’ve been put in the brig.
The Japanese in basically every Guadalcanal naval battle: we have achieved a tactical victory but we'll be damned if we allow ourselves to gain any strategic advantage from it!
Well it was mostly raids on Guadalcanal airport that turned into naval battle, which turned into tactical victory but strategical loss because they didnt get rid of airplanes in the area which did destroy a lot of ships with troops and supplies.
A large part of the problem was the IJN knew it was outnumbered, and any attempt to capitalize on tactical victories would degenerate into a battle of attrition. They didn't know just how weak the USN was during 1942 in the Solomons.
My great grandfather was on the New Orleans when she took the torpedo in the bow that detonated the forward magazines. He was a loader on the port side 1.1in gun, above the bridge, and had thrown out his back earlier because of it. He was down in sickbay, which was in the bow, for a couple of days recuperating. As the battle started, the doctor in charge had ordered all the people who could move out. He was on his way out (he thought somewhere around or behind the barbette of turret #2) when the magazines went up. He said the blast threw him probably 20ft down the corridor, and knocked him out. What I’ll always remember from the story is he said the blast blew the shoes off his feet. He came too from one of his shipmates waking him up and carrying him further aft. He was ordered up on deck to help lighten the ship. When he got up on deck the entire forward part of the ship was a massive fireball and it was absolutely pandemonium all around. He said he distinctly remembered there being body parts all over the place. The rest of the night he helped throw anything that could go over the side. Apparently the adrenaline of the situation allowed him to go on like that for some time. He was medically discharged from the service in early 1943 when he got back stateside for treatment. He passed in 2013 at 92. But I’ve always though had that doctor not ordered those men out of sick bay when he did, that is it very likely I would not be writing this today.
Also the Japanese Torpedos had more than 2x the range due to their usage of pure oxygen fuel. They also had contact detonation warheads that were very reliable unlike the magnetic fuses that plagued the American efforts.
@@ikashibimauler Our early torpedoes were an abysmal failure. I've even read where some torpedoes were fired and barely traveled any distance before running out of fuel. The reason was their fuel was grain alcohol and the sailors had drank it up. I don't know if this is true but I heard a WWII navy veteran say it!!
@@donarthiazi2443, that's where the term, "torpedo juice" came from. The torpedoes at the beginning were such dismal failures that at least the fuel was useful for something.
@@donarthiazi2443 The Navy had such a problem with sailors drinking torpedo alcohol, to the detriment of the torpedo's performance, that they started adding 5 to 10% methyl alcohol to the mix. Methyl alcohol is poisonous, the idea being it would keep the sailors from drinking it. However, US sailors are a persistent bunch, especially when it comes to alcohol. They devised various ways to try to strain the methyl alcohol out of it, the most common and least effective being straining it through a loaf of bread. None of them worked, leading to hundreds of deaths and/or blindness. This lead to the Navy to switch to adding cotton oil, a powerful laxative. Cotton oil could be removed by distilling it, however, and the problem wasn't really resolved until the Mark 18 torpedo, which ran on an electric motor, became available. Sources: (1) McIntosh, Gary L. (2004). War Diary: USS Stevens 1941-1946. Trafford Publishing. p. 35. ISBN 978-1-4120-3287-2. (2) Ostlund, Mike. Find 'em, chase 'em, sink 'em, Globe Pequot, 2006, p. 88. ISBN 1-59228-862-6 (3) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...
@@c.j.cleveland7475 I really cannot imagine, that my very life might well depend on a torpedo's performance... but instead of trying to figure a way to make the torp work better I would rather drink up the fuel that sends it to a destroyer!! I really can't imagine.
I would be so pissed if I were on those two destroyers ordered to tag along only to see that shitshow and get fired on by my friendlies at the very end of it all lmao
Funny enough one of the US commander fought in the battles were ordered general court martialed of 50 African-American workers after the Port Chicago Disaster in 1944 which killing 300+ People
My Father was on the USS Honolulu. He was an enlisted salor who spent a lot of time on the Bridge. He had tremendous respect for its captain. It was of no surprise to him how the Honolulu fared compared to the other Crusers and how officers carriers were protected with a lie.
@@dirkhartman9572 I appreciate you wanting to share the Gospel, but was that an appropriate response to his post? I was thrown off guard by it and I am wouldn't be surprised if he was too. Was it necessary to say he needed forgiveness for his sins (which we all have) as he was honoring his father's military career. He and his father may already be a Christian. God is love. He expects us to walk in His shoes and be love. Love is patient, kind, and considerate. I exhort you to master I Corinthians 13 and know it as well as you know that 2 + 2 = 4. Then, you will always have it at the forefront of your mind and it will guide you. God's love never fails. It will help you reveal the character and love of the Christ that lives within you.
Thank you for mentioning the Australian Coastwatchers. These guys were very much unsung heroes and almost everyone doesn’t know about them. They really suffered tropical diseases and poor conditions and we’re constantly hunted by the Japanese and if caught were always executed.
I was also happy to see the Australians mentioned here. Extremely brave and dedicated men. I trained with Aussie soldiers when I was an infantryman with the 7th ID at Fort Ord(back when there still WAS a Fort Ord) California. Damn fine soldiers and even better people. 🇺🇸🤝🇦🇺
Two minutes in, the admiral gives his first order: **WASDDAAWWWAAWDSWAW** the admiral then joined the fight and stunned our medic, keyboard turned and ran away backwards. Later, a team mate found him just around a corner outside of spawn. The admiral was seen running into a wall for the next 20 minutes.
If you think about it, Admiral Wright masterfully deployed the tactic "baffle 'em with bullshit" to save his sorry-ass career with the ridiculous sunk claims!
He was definitely not a Fighting Admiral, he lacked the guts for the position he was assigned. He should have fired when out of range of the Japanese torpedoes, instead of getting close to the enemy who was superior in torpedo warfare, and had better torpedoes.
My dad was a WWII vet. He said it took almost a year to get rid of all the officers who had no business commanding a ship. Unfortunately it also cost thousands of American lives.
Thanks, been wanting to know about Tassfronga or the 4th battle of savo sea. My uncle Bud was on the New Orleans thru Pearl Harbor, coral sea, and midway only to perish that November night when the torpedo blew off the bow. The survival of the ship was legend. RIP Bud.
Brother, my grandfather was on a repair party on the deck of the Drayton for the battle. He wrote an 8 page essay in 1946 for a college English class about the battle entitled "A Night Of War." If you would like, I could send it to you.
Medals and promotions for the battle staff and nice folded flags and a telegram for the enlisted men. It is truly amazing to me how often this story was repeated in the Pacific during WWII.
It has been that way since the very first military (army, navy, air force.. whatever you chose) was created, and it always will be that way. It' s a very "human" thing. In all other animals only the best become the alphas, the leaders, but with humans it's the politically suitable, not tactically competent who often get the role of "leader" and kill off the poor bastards they "lead"
Tanaka called the re-supply and reinforcement effort "Bamboo Spear Tactics" the destroyer runs were known as 'Rat Transportation'. He was severely critical of the conduct of the campaign and made his views known to any who would listen. Eventually it cost him his command and he was shunted off to spend the war in Burma.
I attended a school on a Marine Corps base in the 60s where a number of the teachers were retired Marines who had served in the Pacific. To say they admired Tanaka is an understatement, one of my teachers called him "Tanaka the Tenacious" for his dogged ability to carry the fight to the Americans. Imagine my surprise to find out in college that Tanaka was considered by the Japanese as the man who "lost" Guadalcanal and was afterwards given a meaningless post. What a waste of a master tactician!
@@matt3rd647 The Guadalcanal Campaign wasn't just an Army operation, the IJN was very heavily involved from the start. Tanaka's criticism that Guadalcanal was a sucking chest wound for Japan did not fly over well with even IJN leadership, and that got him shitcanned to Burma. The funny part was that Imperial General Headquarters would eventually agree with Tanaka and conduct an actually well executed evacuation of Japanese forces from Guadalcanal. Tanaka was at this point, one of the most experienced and capable admirals in service of the IJN, but being shuffled off to Burma likely saved his life and not have to go through the shitshow of the rest of the war. The US Navy would actually heap praises for Tanaka's performance in Tassafaronga after the war. His force was vastly inferior and left the USN bleeding heavily with Cruiser losses that it couldn't afford in 1942.
@@GreySectoid I think he might have been referring to pearl harbour, although if that were the case, iirc the Honolulu didn't really have to evade the torpedoes since the japanese mostly went for other ships
It’s a real credit to the training and capability of the IJN that they were able to give a significantly superior force with the element of surprise a bloody nose. Great video as usual 👏👏
Most of the credit goes to superiors Japanese torpedoes, I think. The US still hadn't figured out how to make their torpedoes reliably explode on impact. The US therefore assumed that the Japanese had the same issue, when they did not.
@@Oxnate technically it's not so much the japanese torpedo superiority here (though their incredible range would help) but rather the sheer incompetence displayed by the US side... From start to end, it was mistakes after mistakes after mistakes... The only thing saving them from this becoming even worse is the remarkable effort their damage control team managed to do to save the ships.
@@Oxnate Don’t really think torpedo superiority had that great of an impact here... It really came down to the US moving in a straight predictable line like a bunch of lemmings, especially since only ONE cruiser took any evasive action. This battle really showed the dynamic between competence and incompetence.
We used to have a saying on the tugs " there is the right way and the wright way" this gives me a new appreciation for that. Also used as in "wright thru the middle of the drawbridge"
We definitely learned the hard way about Japanese torpedoes, we also learned the hard way that our torpedoes were garbage it took us until 1944 to figure that out!!
@@keithouderkirk7493, THAT would not have been a grave loss. At least the bastard didn't live to see the end of the war he and his lover, Churchill, wanted so hard to get the US into.
@@richardcline1337 holy smokes, I am relatively ignorant of FDR's actions pre and post war, if you aren't busy, would it be fine for you to elaborate on what made him a bastard?
That is the most incredible hit rate possible for the Japanese destroyers ! Considering the US had the element of surprise due to code breakers and the fact that the Japanese destroyer's weren't carrying a full compliment of torpedoes makes it all the more remarkable !
japanese were always superior in almost every way except for not changing their radio codes and the lack of industrial resources. if the us didnt have those then they would get buttfucked
That is actually how Tanaka's superiors looked at it. He was arguably the best tactician and battle commander of destroyers in the IJN, yet was relocated to backwater admin commands after this action.
Judging by the heavy damage to U.S. ships I think the Navy lost a lot of sailors in this battle. Those ships that survived were really beaten up and that meant a lot of men died in that action.
3:57 Australian Coast Watchers "elite spotters" were actually untrained stay behind plantation owners and workers and other ad hoc europeans with local knowledge of language, customs etc, and the trust of the local natives. They would not have remained undetected or even have survived without the support of the local islanders.
The Japanese one's weren't much better. Many of the engagements the US won in the Guadalcanal were due largely to the sheer incompetence of a lot of Japan's naval officers as well. Doing things like ramming their ships together in the darkness while trying to turn around. Allies had the same problems. It's almost as if college graduates around the world aren't quite as smart and capable as they make themselves out to be.
@@JohnnyWad309 Well I wouldn’t say that’s incompetence. Night fighting on the sea is extremely challenging. Mistakes happen. People fire on friendlies and things turn into a chaotic mess very quickly. I really don’t think this is due to all the captains being idiots. This is before modern communications and GPS. You won’t know where another ship is unless you’re using radar or sonar. Which obviously might not be the best idea in contested waters at night. You could use spotlights, but that would have the same concerns. If you’re near a friendly destroyer. Unable to talk to them. In the midst of battle you may drift a little too close without realizing it. Then you both turn to evade a threat only to crash into each other. All of this at night. With zero communication between you all. Could happen to nearly anyone one.
the difference, it was the Marines who held Guadalcanal, not the Navy. The Marines lost 1200 killed in 6 months of fighting on Guadalcanal. The Navy managed to lose almost that in just 1 night during the battle of Savo Island 8-9 August.
Believe it or not, Carleton Wright actually got a Navy Cross for the second worst defeat in the Guadalcanal Campaign. How he could accept the medal without shame is completely beyond me. According to the classic account of Guadalcanal by Richard Frank, the real hero was Captain Torajiro Sato, Cmdr. Destroyer Division 15. He calmly led 4 destroyers down the coast and escaped the US cruisers gunfire before reversing course and speeding up north. 44 torpedoes headed towards poor TF 67 and in a few minutes the entire Wright's cruiser fleet was wrecked.
@@EdwardDowner They kind of did, in that they made him a staff officer, then they put him in command of Port Chicago, and he found new and interesting ways to get US servicemen killed.
After the destruction of the ABDA force in the battle of the Java Sea and then Savo Island, you would think the USN would have understood the superiority of the 'Long Lance'.
The shoe was on the other foot in the Battle of Samar. US Escort carriers and destroyers had to fend off an attack from a couple of IJN battleships and several heavy cruisers during the larger Battle of Leyte Gulf!
Side note, the CAPT of the Minneapolis was the premiere USN authority on airships. He was the CO of NAS Lakehurst, NJ (where the Hindenburg crashed) just prior, and was assigned sea duty as a precursor to making flag. He was only the Captain of the ship, that other guy was the task force commander.
Wow! Not heard of that engagement before. What an utter cluster! Should have been an easy victory which is probably the issue. Over confidence is a dangerous thing. As standard a great video. Always love a Ops room notification 👌🏽
There was a pattern to the naval battles of 1942 that resulted in incompetent admirals who died in combat being given medals, while those who survived were quietly beached. Admiral Wright was wrong, but survived, so he was beached. This did not end his incompetence. He managed to kill an additional 300 America sailors and destroy two more American ships during the Port Chicago disaster of 1944. Just as he blamed the destroyer captain for his own failings at Tassafaronga, he blamed black sailors for Port Chicago and court-martialed fifty of them.
Many Sailors that served in the Pacific settled in CA. Many of those black stevedores that loaded ordnance at Port Chicago became ILWU dockworkers in the S.F-OAK. Bay Area.
These WW2 videos are your bread and butter man. Love learning about these lesser known American battles. So happy to see how high your subs are getting brother. I’ve been here since the beginning and I can honestly say it’s been an honor and a genuine pleasure seeing the success you’ve fought so hard for coming to fruition. Keep up the great work man, can’t wait for the next one!
You’re legendary man. With myself being a submarine vet ( I just got out. ) my dad was a desert storm vet & my great grandfather was a pear harbor survivor. This is my favorite channel. Thank you.
@@TheOperationsRoom dude no way you responded. Man I show everybody your channel. In a discord called DD214 and I always take stuff from here and show them. My dad was at the 73 easting battle. I’ve watched that video atleast 30 times. All the videos are well worth the wait. I’ll be subbing to the paetron for sure now since you responded! Thanks again big man & I wish you nothing but success and all the subs in the world! Lol. Be safe brother!
Along with the Chicago at first Savo Island, I have to wonder: is being an idiot part of the job requirement for being a US cruiser Captain, or did they all get sent on a special course?
To a considerable degree it was built-in racism against Japan. It was 'common knowledge' that the Japanese airforce had planes based only on western designs but made of bamboo. It was actually very hard for some to accept that the Zero was a better fighter, though that did eventually change and resulted in the design for the F4F and F6F.
In 1942 it was discovered the hard way that a LOT of our military's officers weren't up to the job. In the over 20 years since the last war getting promoted was based more on your social and political connections than demonstrated competency.
Admiral Wright graduated 16th in his class at Annapolis, proving that good grades don't always translate into success in the real world. He was a disaster even on shore duty. See his handling of the subsequent Port Chicago disaster. Cases like his make me wish seppuku was also a tradition in the US armed forces.
This is not the first video about Pacific operations on this channel, but I'm always amazed at how different the game was when no one really knew where enemy ships or planes were. These videos make it really obvious that it was incredibly important and yet all parties were generally kind of blind - only relying on instincts or spotters in aircrafts or on land with all the uncertainty this involved. I don't recall thinking much about battle strategies at school when I was learning about these battles, and I had completely missed this whole aspect. Thanks for making these animations, this was great once again!
1. Quite probably the most pissed off destroyer captains in US Naval History. 2. "I'm not incompetent! I sank 2 cruisers and 7 destroyers! Honest!" Jesus. Debacle. Great video! EXCELLENT SCRIPT! THANKS DRACH!
In two years as a destroyer main in World of Warships I don’t think I’ve ever been as lucky as those Japanese destroyers Edit: *so I’m clear* they pulled off in real life what I couldn’t even pull off in a video game.
Wow...almost sunk his convoy, failed his mission, and then LIED about it!? That was one incompetent admiral. The captain of the Fletcher should of been in charge😬. Great job in the video!
The Aussies have always been badass. I'm US but my son moved there 10 years ago and I've had a visit. A lot of them are huge lads even compared to my hulking self, there's nobody I'd share a foxhole with ahead of one of them. And they are still willing to go balls out- th-cam.com/video/FIRT7lf8byw/w-d-xo.html
The US Admiral of the Fleet, William F. Halsey, is famously quoted as saying "The Coast Watchers saved Guadalcanal and Guadalcanal saved the Pacific." The book titled 'The Coast Watchers', written by Eric Feldt, a then Lieutenant Commander, RAN, who was responsible for the setting up and operation of the group, details the remarkable story of these brave men who operated behind enemy lines. The Japanese knew about them and actively hunted them, many escaping death by seconds. Some were caught and executed. Remember that that many of these men were not soldiers, but civilians who volunteered for this extraordinarily dangerous task. We will not see their like again. 🇦🇺🦘
Very interesting and informative, thank you. It’s so much easier to have a clear understanding of a naval battle by watching a video like this than it is to read about it, even if maps/illustrations are included.
@@dirkhartman9572, thank you for sharing the Gospel. I accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior forty-four years ago, at the age of twenty. As I look back over my life I conclude that I haven’t been a very good Christian. Seen on a bumper-sticker, “Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven.” Jesus Christ is Lord of all. Amen.
Side note 2: the Battle of Tassaforanga was portrayed in the 1980's NBC miniseries "War and Remembrance". The actor Robert Mitchum played the CAPT of the Northampton thru Midway and Tassaforanga
Thank you for this video! I am reading a book on Destroyer Squadron 23 (Arleigh Burke), and they mentioned this engagement! Remember thinking how i wish i could visualize the movements of forces on a battle map; lo and behold i now can! Appreciate the time and effort you put into this, as always!
For a great sea-level telling of this battle, there's a part in Herman Wouk's "War & Remembrance" which tells the tale of Tassafaronga from the view of Pug Henry, the fictional captain of the Northhampton. It's also interesting to see Henry get grilled later on why he didn't evade like the Honolulu. Interesting insight on what goes on your mind during a battle (Wouk was EO aboard the minesweeper USS Southhard, and participated in the Battle of Okinawa among others.) Great video; nice to see the tactical behind the story.
I’m reading that book now and I just finished that section when this video popped up. This video brings much needed clarity to the battle. I was wondering if anyone would mention the book and the fictional captain “Pug”. I do wonder how the real captain of the Northampton fared after the battle, I guess it would be easy to look up. Thanks for the mention, it’s a great book!
Thank you for this vignette. There are so many WWII battles that seemed indecisive or appeared as defeats yet turned out to accidentally accomplish Allied objectives. One has to wonder at the providence of all these events. Well done as always.
Fog of war. The commanders didn't know how strong their opponent, what type of ships, etc. Information came in bits, and the commanders had to make decisions based on what he knew.
US Ordnance Bureau: "The Japanese will never make Torpedoes as good as the Amercans can" Type 93 Torpedo: "Are you sure about that?" Great video as always! Your voice is ASMR-like... that actually teaches the listener stuff.... :D
It is amazing that military men of all people would not know that underestimating your enemy is the surest way to lose a battle. Until proven otherwise, the default assumption should always be that the enemy's stuff is AT LEAST as good as ours.
This is the best 15 minute Naval engagement doc I ever seen! You showed the over-all map to orient us and then zoomed in for the battle. Everything all laid out and easy to follow. Excellent animation! I'm so g,ad I subscribed earlier. Thanx!
Very interesting fight. So much so I dug out my 1949 1st edition book “The Struggle for Guadalcanal” the definitive first hand accounts of those Sea battles for a serious re-read. Probably wouldn’t have touched that book for many years had it not been for the Operations Room! Thanks Op Room!!!
these videos are incredibly interesting. You and Montemayor are doing great work. never ceases to amaze me how many of these battles were fought and lost due to miscommunications, misconceptions of the enemy's capabilities, the arrogance of the higher command, untrained individuals being in the wrong place at the right time, thhe list goes on and on. small mistakes lead to so many deaths. insane
While they might be competent, this was far more the USN having completely incompetent commanders. The destroyers and 1 cruiser showed a good awareness of the battle situation. Unfortunately as so often happens, those with more brass didn't show the class.
They never figured they would need to. Guadalcanal was exactly what they had envisioned to do to the US navy, have a stronghold and use it to pummel any force coming to dust. They never thought the USn could land that quickly at guadalcanal and use its superior logistic to win an attritional war while keeping air superiority because of Anderson field. In fact the japanese navy has often been in the dark concerning american plans whereas the ISN could read in IJN strategy like in a book.
@@Sshooter444 Your attempt to sound smart fell flat on its face. They were talking about it after that point. A lot of Americans believe we just went into the pacific and kicked their ass.
Only positive press is hagiography not narcissism, and if you believe only positive press has been written about the U.S. and its war efforts you're quite delusional.
Only thing america had for the first half of ww2 in the pacific was resources and and insanely good damage control that allowed us to save a lot of ships
And they gave Carleton Herbert Wright a Navy Cross after that incompetence. And the later Port Chicago disaster happened on his watch as well. The man should have been court marshalled and thrown out of the service.
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Worst dumpster diving ever: oh yeah, food in an old oil barrel, what could Possibly go wrong with That? :/ This is worse than some of the nazis crazy ideas in 45.
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@Angela Burnham omg someone busts their ass to bring you great content, well detailed and researched and your whining about gasp ads?
Maybe go live in a communist paradise and see how "all work and no pay makes johnny stab you with a dull knife for the last swig of vodka" hm?
I smell pussy :/
Fun fact (from drachs video) after the New Orleans had her bow blown off, she collided with the still floating bow, technically making her the only ship to have rammed herself.
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Yet she survived the war with 17 battlestars only to be unceremoniously scrapped along with Enterprise
I shouldn't have laughed at this, but I did.
first ship but not first person to *ram* themselves. :P
My Grandfather was there. He said the bow was glowing white. He passed away at 100 a few years ago. The stories he had were amazing. Definitely the greatest generation.
Doesn’t matter how strong your force is if your leader is a smooth brain
Don't attack Habie147 like that.
American admiral in charge of TF-67 also made good career for himself after that. He later was placed in charged of warehouses which exploded, and he court martialed 50 Black sailors for refusal to return to duties over concerns of his dangerous incompetence. What a joke...
@@shaftoe195 Meanwhile, the captain of the Fletcher had the balls and tactics to cause the Yamato to turn tail and run from his little cruiser.
dont worry dear admiral your career is safe no matter how incompetent you are. just like today!!!!!!
@@buckstarchaser2376 Fletcher is a Destroyer, not a Cruiser.
"What is our torpedo range?"
-"I don't know, Sir!"
"What is theirs, then?"
-"Certainly less, Sir!"
then what is that *[points at torpedo]*
its probably some fish sir
@@nitsu2947 Yes, Japanese fish (WW2 slang for torpedoes)
Oxygen torpedo uwu to meet senpai
“Ah! ofcorse! They are less developing than us! They cannot have better technology than ours!”
-“Sir, is that our Cruiser Nose?”
“Seems Like it”
-“I do afraid enemy torpedoes are around here, what shall we do sir?”
“Dont be afraid! Keep sailing on a straight line”
More like "What's our torpedo's range"
"In range, for the last 5 minutes, admiral"
From Wikipedia: “Admiral Wright was awarded the Navy Cross for his performance in the battle, but was also reassigned to shore duty in Washington, DC.”
For morale and hiding the loss. MacArthur was awarded the MoH for his "glorious escape" from the Philippines.
Congrats, Admiral. We're going to make sure this never happens again from you...
Perfect example of 'failing upwards'.
I know, isn’t it disgusting? And if one of his commanders had violated orders in order to timely launch torpedoes snd to inflict damage on the enemy and protect his ships, he probably would’ve been put in the brig.
Translated: Everyone knew he fukd up big time and he was an incopnetent admiral but he had proper firends in high places.
The Japanese in basically every Guadalcanal naval battle: we have achieved a tactical victory but we'll be damned if we allow ourselves to gain any strategic advantage from it!
The same problem that plague German army as it turned out.
Well it was mostly raids on Guadalcanal airport that turned into naval battle, which turned into tactical victory but strategical loss because they didnt get rid of airplanes in the area which did destroy a lot of ships with troops and supplies.
Well, yeah, no way of consolidating your advantage if the rising sun brings angry swarms of planes from Henderson Field.
A large part of the problem was the IJN knew it was outnumbered, and any attempt to capitalize on tactical victories would degenerate into a battle of attrition. They didn't know just how weak the USN was during 1942 in the Solomons.
If anything, these battles exposed the incompetent admirals in the USN that then allowed the good ones to be put in command.
It’s amazing what incompetent admirals can do
Makes Admiral Rozhestvensky look dignified by comparison.
@@MrSleepy677 Rozhestvensky was a decent admiral with a terrible fleet.
@@fabianzimmermann5495 I know, even Aurora made it though.
I didn't know this level of incompetence was possible
@@aghostofthepast just think how bad they would be if they hadn't gone to the Navel academy
Excellent job as usual :)
Love ur channel Drachinifel!
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The man himself
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Drach, you and the Operations Room make a very good team. Thank you.
What I love about these videos is that they’re not only incredibly well made, but they also often cover little known battles.
With these kind of results, nobody want to push the story...
Little know because it was a complete shit show lol
When it is a huge win for the enemy we don't here so much about them!
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My great grandfather was on the New Orleans when she took the torpedo in the bow that detonated the forward magazines. He was a loader on the port side 1.1in gun, above the bridge, and had thrown out his back earlier because of it. He was down in sickbay, which was in the bow, for a couple of days recuperating. As the battle started, the doctor in charge had ordered all the people who could move out. He was on his way out (he thought somewhere around or behind the barbette of turret #2) when the magazines went up. He said the blast threw him probably 20ft down the corridor, and knocked him out. What I’ll always remember from the story is he said the blast blew the shoes off his feet. He came too from one of his shipmates waking him up and carrying him further aft. He was ordered up on deck to help lighten the ship. When he got up on deck the entire forward part of the ship was a massive fireball and it was absolutely pandemonium all around. He said he distinctly remembered there being body parts all over the place. The rest of the night he helped throw anything that could go over the side. Apparently the adrenaline of the situation allowed him to go on like that for some time. He was medically discharged from the service in early 1943 when he got back stateside for treatment. He passed in 2013 at 92. But I’ve always though had that doctor not ordered those men out of sick bay when he did, that is it very likely I would not be writing this today.
You're lucky he talked about his experiences. My grandpa said very little about his time in the Philippines
Love being able to get further little anecdotal infos on the battles by checking out the comments.
Great story. Thanks for sharing.
It's always amazing how one man can survive, and another die, just being several feet apart. Just fate or luck.
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There is an idiom that states: "If the enemy is within range, so are you. " Apparently no one told the admiral.
Also the Japanese Torpedos had more than 2x the range due to their usage of pure oxygen fuel. They also had contact detonation warheads that were very reliable unlike the magnetic fuses that plagued the American efforts.
@@ikashibimauler
Our early torpedoes were an abysmal failure. I've even read where some torpedoes were fired and barely traveled any distance before running out of fuel. The reason was their fuel was grain alcohol and the sailors had drank it up.
I don't know if this is true but I heard a WWII navy veteran say it!!
@@donarthiazi2443, that's where the term, "torpedo juice" came from. The torpedoes at the beginning were such dismal failures that at least the fuel was useful for something.
@@donarthiazi2443 The Navy had such a problem with sailors drinking torpedo alcohol, to the detriment of the torpedo's performance, that they started adding 5 to 10% methyl alcohol to the mix. Methyl alcohol is poisonous, the idea being it would keep the sailors from drinking it.
However, US sailors are a persistent bunch, especially when it comes to alcohol. They devised various ways to try to strain the methyl alcohol out of it, the most common and least effective being straining it through a loaf of bread. None of them worked, leading to hundreds of deaths and/or blindness. This lead to the Navy to switch to adding cotton oil, a powerful laxative.
Cotton oil could be removed by distilling it, however, and the problem wasn't really resolved until the Mark 18 torpedo, which ran on an electric motor, became available.
Sources: (1) McIntosh, Gary L. (2004). War Diary: USS Stevens 1941-1946. Trafford Publishing. p. 35. ISBN 978-1-4120-3287-2.
(2) Ostlund, Mike. Find 'em, chase 'em, sink 'em, Globe Pequot, 2006, p. 88. ISBN 1-59228-862-6
(3) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...
@@c.j.cleveland7475
I really cannot imagine, that my very life might well depend on a torpedo's performance... but instead of trying to figure a way to make the torp work better I would rather drink up the fuel that sends it to a destroyer!! I really can't imagine.
I would be so pissed if I were on those two destroyers ordered to tag along only to see that shitshow and get fired on by my friendlies at the very end of it all lmao
i'd probably be pissing the New Orleans screaming at the radio, breaking silence and threatened to court martial him to oblivion
"Screw you, guys. We're going home!"
@@Yora21 Potential History ?? He made a video about the Yamato and used the scene a lot when Yamato was present but didn't do much
That is why they fucked off
When you have almost all advantage possible but still lost.
You can have the best hardware in the best position, but it's no use if you don't know what you're doing.
And lie your way out of it. At least the Japanese had a sense of honour.
@@kelvinh8327 Lol Japan has a sense of honor?
100% competence is what alot of people in charge dont have
Funny enough one of the US commander fought in the battles were ordered general court martialed of 50 African-American workers after the Port Chicago Disaster in 1944 which killing 300+ People
Written by Drachinifel and animated by The Operations Room.
An excellent combination of talent! Well done!!
Wish more please it's so so entertaining
Oh can you imagine Jingles describing this battle?
@@ns7023, he’s got a great voice for narration! And it wouldn’t be the first time he’s narrated a history video.
The second Pearl Harbor.
My head hurts and I'm glad I wasn't alive to have been in the Navy at that time. Pure unadulterated stupidity.
My Father was on the USS Honolulu. He was an enlisted salor who spent a lot of time on the Bridge. He had tremendous respect for its captain. It was of no surprise to him how the Honolulu fared compared to the other Crusers and how officers carriers were protected with a lie.
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careers not carriers
@@dirkhartman9572 I appreciate you wanting to share the Gospel, but was that an appropriate response to his post? I was thrown off guard by it and I am wouldn't be surprised if he was too. Was it necessary to say he needed forgiveness for his sins (which we all have) as he was honoring his father's military career. He and his father may already be a Christian. God is love. He expects us to walk in His shoes and be love. Love is patient, kind, and considerate. I exhort you to master I Corinthians 13 and know it as well as you know that 2 + 2 = 4. Then, you will always have it at the forefront of your mind and it will guide you. God's love never fails. It will help you reveal the character and love of the Christ that lives within you.
Thank you for mentioning the Australian Coastwatchers. These guys were very much unsung heroes and almost everyone doesn’t know about them. They really suffered tropical diseases and poor conditions and we’re constantly hunted by the Japanese and if caught were always executed.
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I was also happy to see the Australians mentioned here. Extremely brave and dedicated men.
I trained with Aussie soldiers when I was an infantryman with the 7th ID at Fort Ord(back when there still WAS a Fort Ord) California. Damn fine soldiers and even better people.
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POV: You pressed the "match me with idiots" options in the public multiplayer game.
Your Team: Admiral Carlton Wright is AFK
When your team has big guns but no brain
That's EVERY multiplayer game by default.
Two minutes in, the admiral gives his first order: **WASDDAAWWWAAWDSWAW**
the admiral then joined the fight and stunned our medic, keyboard turned and ran away backwards. Later, a team mate found him just around a corner outside of spawn. The admiral was seen running into a wall for the next 20 minutes.
And the terms ‘he who hesitates is lost’ and ‘baffle ‘em with bullshit’ are proven once again
If you think about it, Admiral Wright masterfully deployed the tactic "baffle 'em with bullshit" to save his sorry-ass career with the ridiculous sunk claims!
Baffle with bullshit is my new life motto
Baffle em with bullshit bring the USS Johnson to mund
He was definitely not a Fighting Admiral, he lacked the guts for the position he was assigned. He should have fired when out of range of the Japanese torpedoes, instead of getting close to the enemy who was superior in torpedo warfare, and had better torpedoes.
@@jmrodas9 Scott was the only fighting admiral anywhere near Guadalcanal and he was promptly killed by his boss's incompetence...
Bureau of Ordnance: The Japanese can't make good torpedoes.
*furiously tries to hide their own Mark 14 torpedoes*
Oh Bureau Of Ordnance, the biggest threat to the United States military.
Drachinifel will have lots to say about them lol
They tried to cope with their failure.
*Admiral King barges in "Shining"-style, grabs the torpedo and proceeds to beat the hell out of BuOrd*
@@musman9853 Beat me to it.
My dad was a WWII vet. He said it took almost a year to get rid of all the officers who had no business commanding a ship. Unfortunately it also cost thousands of American lives.
Just accept the defeat by the japanese in this battle bro
@@RicoJuan1998 that's not even what he's talking about
@@RicoJuan1998 ot realx was just stupidity
Because the military was essentially a jobs program before the war… kinda like now
@robertjon
How long were you in the military?
Thanks, been wanting to know about Tassfronga or the 4th battle of savo sea. My uncle Bud was on the New Orleans thru Pearl Harbor, coral sea, and midway only to perish that November night when the torpedo blew off the bow. The survival of the ship was legend. RIP Bud.
Brother, my grandfather was on a repair party on the deck of the Drayton for the battle. He wrote an 8 page essay in 1946 for a college English class about the battle entitled "A Night Of War." If you would like, I could send it to you.
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Medals and promotions for the battle staff and nice folded flags and a telegram for the enlisted men. It is truly amazing to me how often this story was repeated in the Pacific during WWII.
A desk job in Washington is not considered a "promotion" in wartime
@@Sshooter444 True, but "Admiral" Wright should have been court martialed.
@@williamjpellas0314 He eventually court martialed 50 people himself - over his own incompetence. That's US Navy for ya.
@@williamjpellas0314 Compare 1930s Nazi Germany Vs 2020s Communist China IN YOUR NEXT VIDEO!!
It has been that way since the very first military (army, navy, air force.. whatever you chose) was created, and it always will be that way.
It' s a very "human" thing. In all other animals only the best become the alphas, the leaders, but with humans it's the politically suitable, not tactically competent who often get the role of "leader" and kill off the poor bastards they "lead"
Tanaka called the re-supply and reinforcement effort "Bamboo Spear Tactics" the destroyer runs were known as 'Rat Transportation'. He was severely critical of the conduct of the campaign and made his views known to any who would listen. Eventually it cost him his command and he was shunted off to spend the war in Burma.
If you are critical of the hierarchy, outstanding competence will not save you. Does this remind you of what happened to Gen. George Patton?
An IJN officer critical of an operation that involved the army. Now that is a surprise.
Sgt, Check out "Tablela Rasa's" "Knights gambit". Tanaka could have given us more bloody noses if the Geishas in Japanese Navy had let him.
I attended a school on a Marine Corps base in the 60s where a number of the teachers were retired Marines who had served in the Pacific. To say they admired Tanaka is an understatement, one of my teachers called him "Tanaka the Tenacious" for his dogged ability to carry the fight to the Americans. Imagine my surprise to find out in college that Tanaka was considered by the Japanese as the man who "lost" Guadalcanal and was afterwards given a meaningless post. What a waste of a master tactician!
@@matt3rd647 The Guadalcanal Campaign wasn't just an Army operation, the IJN was very heavily involved from the start. Tanaka's criticism that Guadalcanal was a sucking chest wound for Japan did not fly over well with even IJN leadership, and that got him shitcanned to Burma.
The funny part was that Imperial General Headquarters would eventually agree with Tanaka and conduct an actually well executed evacuation of Japanese forces from Guadalcanal.
Tanaka was at this point, one of the most experienced and capable admirals in service of the IJN, but being shuffled off to Burma likely saved his life and not have to go through the shitshow of the rest of the war.
The US Navy would actually heap praises for Tanaka's performance in Tassafaronga after the war. His force was vastly inferior and left the USN bleeding heavily with Cruiser losses that it couldn't afford in 1942.
USS Honolulu be like: * FACEPALM * AM I THE ONLY ONE THINKING HERE?! SERIOUSLY WHAT THE HELL GUYS!
The only cruiser captain not substandard
Yep. Actually used his brain.
Hahahaha
I worked for the nephew of Honolulu's gunnery office. He (the nephew) was also a very capable naval officer and retired a 1 star Admiral.
This is made all the more amusing to me that my imagination had the ever-flustered red head that portrays her in Azur Lane screaming this.
This is the second battle where Honolulu evades torpedoes, and everyone else goes straight.
Honolulu captain nursing a whiskey and thinking: "I'm surrounded by idiots".
What was the first battle called?
Honolulu has a habit of watching cruisers sail in straight lines into torpedoes while she menuvers against the obvious threat.
@@GreySectoid I think he might have been referring to pearl harbour, although if that were the case, iirc the Honolulu didn't really have to evade the torpedoes since the japanese mostly went for other ships
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My dad was wounded in this battle. He was topside on the USS Minneapolis when the torpedo blew off the bow.
Wow. Its crazy to think this history is still recent and people are still alive from that era
@@TheCrazierz He died in 1990 but it seems only yesterday.
@@Lipo I'm sorry for your loss. I am grateful for him serving our country though
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@@dirkhartman9572 thanks I’m already covered.
It’s a real credit to the training and capability of the IJN that they were able to give a significantly superior force with the element of surprise a bloody nose. Great video as usual 👏👏
Most of the credit goes to superiors Japanese torpedoes, I think. The US still hadn't figured out how to make their torpedoes reliably explode on impact. The US therefore assumed that the Japanese had the same issue, when they did not.
@@Oxnate its amazing how they can think that when meanwhile germany is sinking convoys left and right
@@timhurtienne7760 That's because they had the U-boat strategy.
@@Oxnate technically it's not so much the japanese torpedo superiority here (though their incredible range would help) but rather the sheer incompetence displayed by the US side...
From start to end, it was mistakes after mistakes after mistakes...
The only thing saving them from this becoming even worse is the remarkable effort their damage control team managed to do to save the ships.
@@Oxnate Don’t really think torpedo superiority had that great of an impact here... It really came down to the US moving in a straight predictable line like a bunch of lemmings, especially since only ONE cruiser took any evasive action. This battle really showed the dynamic between competence and incompetence.
The Japanese sinking and damaging US cruisers while doing a supply run: *Im about to do what’s called a pro-gamer move*
P Quilty no
@@Interdictiondeltawing You really find this funny?
The US cruisers forgot to use WASD hax!😂
@@tobiastime4066 lol
@@tobiastime4066 no Torpedobeats for the US Cruisers that day (Except maybe Honolulu, but she did that after seeing 2 of her division mates get hit)
We used to have a saying on the tugs " there is the right way and the wright way" this gives me a new appreciation for that. Also used as in "wright thru the middle of the drawbridge"
lmao
"Japanese could never build a torpedo as good as American weapons"
*looks at Type 93*
*looks at Mark 14*
Yeah, I see no problems with this statement
I shouldn't have laughed, but what you said was just too freaking funny!! 🤣🤣
Like I said I know that I really shouldn't have laughed....😶
Their torpedoes are inferior in that they actually go off when they hit something. Bureau of Ordinance says that's a design flaw.
Only reason the admiralty worried before actual concerns with brainpower: "well ours has a smaller number than theirs"
The best answer - Is probably "hubris"; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_14_torpedo
We definitely learned the hard way about Japanese torpedoes, we also learned the hard way that our torpedoes were garbage it took us until 1944 to figure that out!!
This is the naval embodiment of “SAMIR YOU’RE BREAKING THE CAR”
Lol
American Tsushima
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If 'The Mighty Jingles' had only been there to give his usual advice "STOP SAILING IN STRAIGHT LINES YOU IDIOTS!!!"....
Don't know him yet but he seems like a military genius compared to this bunch of inept idiots
@@dave_h_8742 problem is, he's probably the one who labeled the destroyer an atago class cruiser lol
It's hilarious how random people playing a video game are better at driving warships than actual warship captains.
Admiral Wright has been complaining on the forum that destroyers are OP.
That’s a paddling
Not every day is a good day in the US Navy. I was unaware how bad this was...gulp. Thank you for your time. It was an eye opener!
if you want a bad day for the US Navy, go look up the ship USS William D. Porter. that ship was so cursed that they almost blew up FDR.
@@keithouderkirk7493, THAT would not have been a grave loss. At least the bastard didn't live to see the end of the war he and his lover, Churchill, wanted so hard to get the US into.
@@richardcline1337 holy smokes, I am relatively ignorant of FDR's actions pre and post war, if you aren't busy, would it be fine for you to elaborate on what made him a bastard?
Unfortunately, besides from some very specific Generals and Admirals, the USA would basically send its most incompetent commanders to the Pacific war.
That is the most incredible hit rate possible for the Japanese destroyers !
Considering the US had the element of surprise due to code breakers and the fact that the Japanese destroyer's weren't carrying a full compliment of torpedoes makes it all the more remarkable !
yeah but at the end only 1 ship sunk, too bad for the Japs
japanese were always superior in almost every way except for not changing their radio codes and the lack of industrial resources. if the us didnt have those then they would get buttfucked
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Moral of the story logistics: took 4 cruisers out of action for one destroyer lost, but didn't complete the supply run. Mission failed.
True; the one positive aspect (for the Allies) of this disaster.
And it seems this battle was critical in convincing Japan to soon after give up their position on the island.
That is actually how Tanaka's superiors looked at it. He was arguably the best tactician and battle commander of destroyers in the IJN, yet was relocated to backwater admin commands after this action.
Judging by the heavy damage to U.S. ships I think the Navy lost a lot of sailors in this battle. Those ships that survived were really beaten up and that meant a lot of men died in that action.
@@KrK007 KIA: American 395, Japanese 349
3:57 Australian Coast Watchers "elite spotters" were actually untrained stay behind plantation owners and workers and other ad hoc europeans with local knowledge of language, customs etc, and the trust of the local natives. They would not have remained undetected or even have survived without the support of the local islanders.
Granted but the Japanese made the natives allegiance an easy choice.
I swear, we need to put a tax on the word "elite" to prevent its misuse.
When the bots in WoWs act smarter than real-life USN Admirals.
Lol
and somehow that's still better than most actual players.
The Japanese one's weren't much better. Many of the engagements the US won in the Guadalcanal were due largely to the sheer incompetence of a lot of Japan's naval officers as well. Doing things like ramming their ships together in the darkness while trying to turn around. Allies had the same problems. It's almost as if college graduates around the world aren't quite as smart and capable as they make themselves out to be.
@@JohnnyWad309 Well I wouldn’t say that’s incompetence. Night fighting on the sea is extremely challenging. Mistakes happen. People fire on friendlies and things turn into a chaotic mess very quickly.
I really don’t think this is due to all the captains being idiots. This is before modern communications and GPS. You won’t know where another ship is unless you’re using radar or sonar. Which obviously might not be the best idea in contested waters at night. You could use spotlights, but that would have the same concerns.
If you’re near a friendly destroyer. Unable to talk to them. In the midst of battle you may drift a little too close without realizing it. Then you both turn to evade a threat only to crash into each other. All of this at night. With zero communication between you all. Could happen to nearly anyone one.
@@JohnnyWad309 i sailed on lake Ontario back in the 2000s. It is dark as hell out on the water and there arent many lights to see
It is a miracle that the U.S. held on at Guadalcanal with all of the mistakes they made.
Air Supperiority i guess
The Japanese made more and greater ones at the end of the day.
production possibilities covers for operational blunders
the difference, it was the Marines who held Guadalcanal, not the Navy.
The Marines lost 1200 killed in 6 months of fighting on Guadalcanal.
The Navy managed to lose almost that in just 1 night during the battle of Savo Island 8-9 August.
@@panzermacher My grandfather was a Marine and fought there....He didnt have much good to say about the navy.
Stubborn inexperience with leadership, combined with DC's hubris. What a combination
Believe it or not, Carleton Wright actually got a Navy Cross for the second worst defeat in the Guadalcanal Campaign. How he could accept the medal without shame is completely beyond me.
According to the classic account of Guadalcanal by Richard Frank, the real hero was Captain Torajiro Sato, Cmdr. Destroyer Division 15. He calmly led 4 destroyers down the coast and escaped the US cruisers gunfire before reversing course and speeding up north. 44 torpedoes headed towards poor TF 67 and in a few minutes the entire Wright's cruiser fleet was wrecked.
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@@dirkhartman9572stop
Its like staring at a car crash, seconds before you rear-end the guy in front of you.
Hopefully Admiral Wright and his superiors treated this episode as a valuable learning experience.
Lol, they're long since dead.
Lessons will be learnt blah blah blah blah blah blah
Narrator "They did not."
@@EdwardDowner They kind of did, in that they made him a staff officer, then they put him in command of Port Chicago, and he found new and interesting ways to get US servicemen killed.
After the destruction of the ABDA force in the battle of the Java Sea and then Savo Island, you would think the USN would have understood the superiority of the 'Long Lance'.
When you see a heavy cruiser and your a freighter: Objective: SURVIVE
The shoe was on the other foot in the Battle of Samar. US Escort carriers and destroyers had to fend off an attack from a couple of IJN battleships and several heavy cruisers during the larger Battle of Leyte Gulf!
@@wannabedal-adx458 One of those battleships being the IJN Yamato.
New objective, show the cruiser it can be sunk by a freighter (Germany did it, Japanese wanted to be their equal).
@@tomk3732 new objective: Ram the warship
@@tomk3732 yeah and it was incompetence from the commander of the australian cruiser allowing the raider to get so close.
Side note, the CAPT of the Minneapolis was the premiere USN authority on airships. He was the CO of NAS Lakehurst, NJ (where the Hindenburg crashed) just prior, and was assigned sea duty as a precursor to making flag. He was only the Captain of the ship, that other guy was the task force commander.
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Just when KanColle is having their Spring 2021 event E3 map themed on this battle...
I appreciate the change where you start zoomed out on Oceania and zoom in so that a layperson can see where these islands are :)
I had no idea Guadacanal is in the Solomon Islands.
I know why I like these so much , they remind me of the old discoverey channel docs I grew up watching with my Grandad about ww2.
The intro is not over, and I am already condemmed to comment and like. Just because it is an OR video!
Wow! Not heard of that engagement before. What an utter cluster! Should have been an easy victory which is probably the issue. Over confidence is a dangerous thing.
As standard a great video. Always love a Ops room notification 👌🏽
I guess they don't like to talk about it much...
There was a pattern to the naval battles of 1942 that resulted in incompetent admirals who died in combat being given medals, while those who survived were quietly beached. Admiral Wright was wrong, but survived, so he was beached. This did not end his incompetence. He managed to kill an additional 300 America sailors and destroy two more American ships during the Port Chicago disaster of 1944. Just as he blamed the destroyer captain for his own failings at Tassafaronga, he blamed black sailors for Port Chicago and court-martialed fifty of them.
Well... he did break the norm in that he was both beached and awarded a decoration.
@@VRichardsn I wonder if the second disaster resulted in a bar for his medal, or didn't enough sailors die to warrant it?
@@Paladin1873 Not to my knowledge. He did retire just a couple of years after the incident.
Many Sailors that served in the Pacific settled in CA. Many of those black stevedores that loaded ordnance at Port Chicago became ILWU dockworkers in the S.F-OAK. Bay Area.
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These WW2 videos are your bread and butter man. Love learning about these lesser known American battles. So happy to see how high your subs are getting brother. I’ve been here since the beginning and I can honestly say it’s been an honor and a genuine pleasure seeing the success you’ve fought so hard for coming to fruition. Keep up the great work man, can’t wait for the next one!
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You’re legendary man. With myself being a submarine vet ( I just got out. ) my dad was a desert storm vet & my great grandfather was a pear harbor survivor. This is my favorite channel. Thank you.
Thank you!
@@TheOperationsRoom dude no way you responded. Man I show everybody your channel. In a discord called DD214 and I always take stuff from here and show them. My dad was at the 73 easting battle. I’ve watched that video atleast 30 times. All the videos are well worth the wait. I’ll be subbing to the paetron for sure now since you responded! Thanks again big man & I wish you nothing but success and all the subs in the world! Lol. Be safe brother!
Along with the Chicago at first Savo Island, I have to wonder: is being an idiot part of the job requirement for being a US cruiser Captain, or did they all get sent on a special course?
They didn't trust radar, didn't train at night, had poor communications, no experience...other than that they were perfect
To a considerable degree it was built-in racism against Japan. It was 'common knowledge' that the Japanese airforce had planes based only on western designs but made of bamboo. It was actually very hard for some to accept that the Zero was a better fighter, though that did eventually change and resulted in the design for the F4F and F6F.
@@Sshooter444 😅😅😅
Better than on some expensive Battleship !
In 1942 it was discovered the hard way that a LOT of our military's officers weren't up to the job. In the over 20 years since the last war getting promoted was based more on your social and political connections than demonstrated competency.
Can you make a video about the pathfinders dropped before D-Day?
Admiral Wright graduated 16th in his class at Annapolis, proving that good grades don't always translate into success in the real world. He was a disaster even on shore duty. See his handling of the subsequent Port Chicago disaster. Cases like his make me wish seppuku was also a tradition in the US armed forces.
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This is not the first video about Pacific operations on this channel, but I'm always amazed at how different the game was when no one really knew where enemy ships or planes were. These videos make it really obvious that it was incredibly important and yet all parties were generally kind of blind - only relying on instincts or spotters in aircrafts or on land with all the uncertainty this involved. I don't recall thinking much about battle strategies at school when I was learning about these battles, and I had completely missed this whole aspect. Thanks for making these animations, this was great once again!
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1. Quite probably the most pissed off destroyer captains in US Naval History.
2. "I'm not incompetent! I sank 2 cruisers and 7 destroyers! Honest!"
Jesus. Debacle. Great video! EXCELLENT SCRIPT! THANKS DRACH!
Have a look at L. Ron Hubbard's naval record. Whole fleet under him cursing as they chase ghost subs.
I see those captains went to the Admiral Bittenfield school of fleet tactics and manuevers
In two years as a destroyer main in World of Warships I don’t think I’ve ever been as lucky as those Japanese destroyers
Edit: *so I’m clear* they pulled off in real life what I couldn’t even pull off in a video game.
@@creepwood77 Whats that got to do with his comment?
War thunder destroyer ace here, ships sailing in a straight line is the norm here
Once I sunk two battleships and two heavy cruisers with a japanese light cruiser
That was amazing
Lmfao "two years as a destroyer man"... you probably can't even swim. Funny how you gaming kids compare your software skills to real war. Silly child.
@@debbiedoesellis3940 Nobody cares, woman. Shut the hell up.
Wow...almost sunk his convoy, failed his mission, and then LIED about it!? That was one incompetent admiral. The captain of the Fletcher should of been in charge😬.
Great job in the video!
Love the Drach. These two channels working together is amazing.
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This is probably the best war history channel. Great video as usual!
Wow thanks!
Never heard of Aussie Coastwatchers before. Thank you for my next reading project.
You’re welcome!
Jack lemon film had one in it.
The ? In the navy or something.
Real heroes
The Aussies have always been badass. I'm US but my son moved there 10 years ago and I've had a visit. A lot of them are huge lads even compared to my hulking self, there's nobody I'd share a foxhole with ahead of one of them. And they are still willing to go balls out- th-cam.com/video/FIRT7lf8byw/w-d-xo.html
The US Admiral of the Fleet, William F. Halsey, is famously quoted as saying "The Coast Watchers saved Guadalcanal and Guadalcanal saved the Pacific." The book titled 'The Coast Watchers', written by Eric Feldt, a then Lieutenant Commander, RAN, who was responsible for the setting up and operation of the group, details the remarkable story of these brave men who operated behind enemy lines. The Japanese knew about them and actively hunted them, many escaping death by seconds. Some were caught and executed. Remember that that many of these men were not soldiers, but civilians who volunteered for this extraordinarily dangerous task. We will not see their like again. 🇦🇺🦘
Very interesting and informative, thank you. It’s so much easier to have a clear understanding of a naval battle by watching a video like this than it is to read about it, even if maps/illustrations are included.
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I never new about this one. I was always so impressed with Japan's torpedoes and night fighting abilities.
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Side note 2: the Battle of Tassaforanga was portrayed in the 1980's NBC miniseries "War and Remembrance". The actor Robert Mitchum played the CAPT of the Northampton thru Midway and Tassaforanga
Thank you for this video! I am reading a book on Destroyer Squadron 23 (Arleigh Burke), and they mentioned this engagement! Remember thinking how i wish i could visualize the movements of forces on a battle map; lo and behold i now can! Appreciate the time and effort you put into this, as always!
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US Heavy Cruiser: *Why are you running?*
I knew that drach had something to do with this, so happy y’all are collaborating
For a great sea-level telling of this battle, there's a part in Herman Wouk's "War & Remembrance" which tells the tale of Tassafaronga from the view of Pug Henry, the fictional captain of the Northhampton. It's also interesting to see Henry get grilled later on why he didn't evade like the Honolulu. Interesting insight on what goes on your mind during a battle (Wouk was EO aboard the minesweeper USS Southhard, and participated in the Battle of Okinawa among others.)
Great video; nice to see the tactical behind the story.
I’m reading that book now and I just finished that section when this video popped up. This video brings much needed clarity to the battle. I was wondering if anyone would mention the book and the fictional captain “Pug”. I do wonder how the real captain of the Northampton fared after the battle, I guess it would be easy to look up. Thanks for the mention, it’s a great book!
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Captain Hailer: We're being hit by torpedoes Admiral! *Think Admiral Think!*
The operations rooms still doesn't do the Falklands war.
This angered his fanbase who punished him severely.
Need to finish Desert Storm first :D
@@TheOperationsRoom haha oh yeah. I'm sure it will be worth the wait mate. ☺. Great vid as always!
The fanbase flanks in from the comments section, using a scattered front of screamers to initially draw attention
@@TheOperationsRoom Compare 1930s Nazi Germany Vs 2020s Communist China IN YOUR NEXT VIDEO!!
@@matpk Interessting topic, but would this fit in his program? He only does historical strategics, not politics
Great animation. It is so hard to picture the ship movements from written accounts and this fills that need.
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Sounds like Admiral Wright snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
The most decisive element of combat power in battle is...........
Leadership.
....or abject dumbassery
Finally I’ve been waiting for someone to do an in-depth look at this battle, thanks mate
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Arm Chair Admiral seemed to have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
Thank you for this vignette. There are so many WWII battles that seemed indecisive or appeared as defeats yet turned out to accidentally accomplish Allied objectives. One has to wonder at the providence of all these events. Well done as always.
Fog of war. The commanders didn't know how strong their opponent, what type of ships, etc. Information came in bits, and the commanders had to make decisions based on what he knew.
i know nothing about the Pacific Naval Battles of WW2. These videos are fascinating and enlightening. Thank you
US Ordnance Bureau: "The Japanese will never make Torpedoes as good as the Amercans can"
Type 93 Torpedo: "Are you sure about that?"
Great video as always! Your voice is ASMR-like... that actually teaches the listener stuff.... :D
It is amazing that military men of all people would not know that underestimating your enemy is the surest way to lose a battle. Until proven otherwise, the default assumption should always be that the enemy's stuff is AT LEAST as good as ours.
Put the Torpedo plans in a steel safe , covered in chains and bury it under the basement floor. Security!
This has got to be one of the biggest facepalm moments in USN history... lol. x)
Theres a lot of that in the Guadalcanal Campaign. Thankfully, we learned and the mistakes were not repeated.
@@davidkaminski615 I think you mean that later in the war we had so many ships that losing a few no longer mattered.
@@davidkaminski615 But of course, obviously, since we ultimately won the war... yay, lol. xD
@@venn2001ad While I can't deny the U.S. war machine showed up in '43, I was mainly addressing the caliber of commanders.
Yeah, this and 2nd "Battle" of Empress Augusta Bay... ;) And there is also the "Battle" of the Pips XD
This is the best 15 minute Naval engagement doc I ever seen! You showed the over-all map to orient us and then zoomed in for the battle. Everything all laid out and easy to follow. Excellent animation! I'm so g,ad I subscribed earlier. Thanx!
Glad it helped!
Nice catch Northampton!!!
Very interesting fight. So much so I dug out my 1949 1st edition book “The Struggle for Guadalcanal” the definitive first hand accounts of those Sea battles for a serious re-read. Probably wouldn’t have touched that book for many years had it not been for the Operations Room!
Thanks Op Room!!!
these videos are incredibly interesting. You and Montemayor are doing great work. never ceases to amaze me how many of these battles were fought and lost due to miscommunications, misconceptions of the enemy's capabilities, the arrogance of the higher command, untrained individuals being in the wrong place at the right time, thhe list goes on and on.
small mistakes lead to so many deaths. insane
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Another example of the devastating ability of Japanese night action and torpedo power.
While they might be competent, this was far more the USN having completely incompetent commanders. The destroyers and 1 cruiser showed a good awareness of the battle situation. Unfortunately as so often happens, those with more brass didn't show the class.
And spectacular incompetence from some of the American cruiser captains.
@@hawk4192 you mean the 1 light cruiser.
I bet they were all darling, highly regarded captains (in peacetime) before the war. Too bad they couldn’t fight worth a F.
The Long Lance really was one of the wonder weapons of WW2.
Anther piece of history from WWII brought to life by the superb graphics and commentary from 'The Operations Room'. 👍
Well done Sir. 👍
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Excellent timing as usual. Awesome bloody video too. God I love this channel.
Much appreciated!
I can hear The Mighty Jingles laughing loud in the background... World of Warship is a real simulation game 🤣
The new animations bring so much life to these🔥
The Japanese create an ocean spanning empire but never figured out how to get troops to islands under combat conditions.
The Japanese Army and Navy Hated each other, really horrible stuff, a big factor in them doing badly. Good videos available about this.
They never figured they would need to. Guadalcanal was exactly what they had envisioned to do to the US navy, have a stronghold and use it to pummel any force coming to dust. They never thought the USn could land that quickly at guadalcanal and use its superior logistic to win an attritional war while keeping air superiority because of Anderson field. In fact the japanese navy has often been in the dark concerning american plans whereas the ISN could read in IJN strategy like in a book.
Amphibious operations are among the most difficult in war.
MarvelDelmage: They pioneered it, nimrod.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_amphibious_assault_ship_Shinsh%C5%AB_Maru
@@m.steward9146 and yet they failed utterly at it, so can they really be called pioneers?
that is like calling the Roanoke colonies the USA.
This channel is one of the best on youtube
YES NEW VIDEO ! I need some The operations room addict therapy .
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Thank you for being an EXCELLENT example of what the History Channel should be like!
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Graphics by OP room and written by Drac!?!? This is something special, great job gentlemen!
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Its nice to be reminded that the US Navy wasnt invincible. Too often the history reflects narcassism not fact
Yeah I never heard of Pearl Harbor before
Churchill (supposedly): The Americans will always do the right thing...once they have exhausted all other options.
@@Sshooter444 Your attempt to sound smart fell flat on its face. They were talking about it after that point. A lot of Americans believe we just went into the pacific and kicked their ass.
Only positive press is hagiography not narcissism, and if you believe only positive press has been written about the U.S. and its war efforts you're quite delusional.
Only thing america had for the first half of ww2 in the pacific was resources and and insanely good damage control that allowed us to save a lot of ships
And they gave Carleton Herbert Wright a Navy Cross after that incompetence. And the later Port Chicago disaster happened on his watch as well. The man should have been court marshalled and thrown out of the service.
Yup. I looked him up too. How on Earth did this guy not get drummed out of the service?
@@adamndirtyape People in the upper classes fail upwards. Accountability and merit are only for us proles.
@@adamndirtyape High ranking U S naval officers are immune from criticism. Some lesser type will always get blamed.
"Devestating strike" "Double strike" "Liquidator" We sank their crusier!
Who on the IJN side went home with Kraken Unleashed ribbons?
This level of incompetence is amazing.