I watched this video months ago and came back because I wanted to remember the specific points made. I think this is a well done video with many points we should think about more often rather than focusing on unnuanced wars. I wish this video had gotten more of a reach. 2k is great for the channel size but I think so many more people need to hear this for these ideas to get more attention
I'm in my third year of teaching and I already feel like we've reinvented the wheel 100 times just to avoid the fact that every single student is different. When I was in college, I remember thinking that the kind of methodology they use in crafting these teaching theories would never fly in any other field--all of them are done with groups of a couple hundred kids, at most, in one specific school, studying one specific element that contributes to the learning environment. It's insane. That baseball test in particular is the equivalent of if I told you "yeah, I tested this medicine on at least 50 people, and their skin _specifically_ seemed fine. Let's just go ahead and give it to everyone, I don't think we need to do anymore tests." Obviously the "best" approach is always going to be different for every classroom. Obviously the "best" approach is going to have a little bit of everything, and a well trained, reflexive teacher behind it all. I have despised every single one of these education theories I've heard about. If I ever want to sell out, I'll get my doctorate and make thousands peddling air to fish.
Also, tangentially, for writing I’ve occasionally been thrown a ducat or two, in the U.S.A. no less … so the assumption would be that I’m “culturally literate,” perhaps even more so than the average bear - yet, I’ve never managed to sit through all of Wagner’s _Ring_ cycle, I could at best only vaguely describe its plot to you (it’s about a ring?), and upon my grave I swear to you, I’ve never heard of a peaker plant … yet, knowing what I do - a not-insubstantial amount, cough - I fail to see how any of these (or parity price, for that matter??) are central to “cultural literacy!” Does this mean I no longer belong to culture club? May I be readmitted for knowing who Culture Club are?? I suspect E.D. Hirsch would say “Нет!” My word, this is a dire watch so far … I do hope there’s a positive, practical, “Let’s keep education the humanizing, democratizing, development of critical thinking and global justice it was always meant to be!” call to action at the end. _Liberté, égalité, fraternité,_ I know those, do I get points for that?? …or only in dirty communist -Paris- -Europe- -France- that away place?
It definitely shocked me when I read about it. Usually the experiments are characterized in textbooks by cartoon dogs drooling at the sound of a bell. I thought it was important to see just how inhumane these controlled conditions were made to achieve the ideal relationship between input and output. Similar to the beautiful display boards of dead butterflies we had to kill to understand. Surely we can do better in our classrooms and schools.
iready diagnostics or star tests anyone? reading is so subjective too… what one person sees as the “main idea” of a text may not be what another person sees.
How do they look at the baseball study and not think "If we want to measure comprehension of a paragraph, we should make sure it's about something the kids already know something about."?! That's the main takeaway to me. But I don't operate a textbook conglomerate, so maybe my lack of desire to sell a curriculum is making me not see the truth.
Or simply use the text as a way to teach the context! I did this all the time as a history teacher: a little mini lesson about the context to help give it meaning & make sense of the primary sources that follow. Easy peasy.
The current Open Court reading program is radically different from the original 1963 program by Priscilla McQueen, which began with long vowels and proved highly effective in schools across America. The phonics programs in the1960 featured readers that were simlar in many ways to the look-say readers, with vocabulary and frequency controls, both of which were largely dispensed with in Open Court after SRA-McGraw-Hill revised the program. They are similar in name only.
1:03:20 forget everything else about this lady. I don’t want someone who falls for misinformation that is so easily disproven to be teaching anyone let alone kids. The litter box thing is not a difference of opinion or moral values. That is showing severe lack in being able to obtain and comprehend knowledge as well as basic research skills a child should have. Someone who can not educate themselves on such basic things should not be in charge on how children get educated
Reading scores for age 9 jumped when teachers started teaching to the test with No Child Left Behind,so that might explain that. Also, do you have figures for before 1971. I was taught phonics in the late 50's, but it was very gradual. I think people are too anxious these days and want their kids to be reading when they're still living in their imagination, so maybe phonics came to be taught too early. At Waldorf schools they use phonics, but they wait until "drilling" is possible-when the kids reach the age of reason at age 7. So, I think both methods are important, but we have to stop pushing abstract concepts on kids before they can understand them. Then, they easily learn phonics and have the tools for critical thinking-on their own.
Is there evidence of certain grade levels having more success with one type of learning over another? For example first and second grades does best with phonics, 3rd - 5th grades does well with balanced literacy, and 6th grade and above is best to teach whole language? These are just random grades I thought of, but have educators observed something like this?
These kind of rules are dangerous. Yes, most people will fall under a certain range of developmental patterns where we can deduce what is best. But this doesn't apply to everyone. And specially, it doesn't apply those who defy the norms and patterns, those who are neurodivergent. It's important to adapt teaching to the kid's current developmental stage, but it's also important to notice developmental stages are a unique to each individual, even if for most it's very close together.
In my experience, kids learn phonics by the end of grade 2. However in 3rd, it helps to teach tricky suffixes and spelling rules. I’d hope anyone not on that pace can see a specialist.
Phonics has been amazing for my kids. I'm amazed my son can read words he's never learned before, rather he was taught the tools of how words sound out.
@@HumanRestorationProject omg breaking down the New Math and then the NEW New Math, and what it's intended to do and how it works, would be quite a video! and you could get Chris to remix that old Tom Leher song :p
You guys are insinuating a lot about the motives of SoR advocates without making a case for why balanced literacy or whole word is actually equally effective.
Felt like an intentional muddying of the waters. There is real damage being done by telling kids to look at the picture and guess. We can’t say it’s “just politics.”
I think you missed the point of the video. It’s not pro whole language. It is showing how the reading wars is an extension of the culture war. Making this into a war where there is solely one optimal method is what is being criticized not certain methods themselves like phonics Edit: also did the studies that showed test scores didn’t increase when the methods changed not count as evidence of one not inherently being better than the other? How did you come to the conclusion that exclusively teaching phonics is better? Does it feel like common sense or did a study show not teaching other methods with phonics improved literacy by some metric?
@@lindensalter6713 There are two things that work. 1. Read to them starting as babies and keep reading to them until they prefer to read on their own. 2. Teach them phonics. Anything other than phonics leads teachers to encourage guessing, which is a horrible habit. If there should be a war, it should be how to teach phonics, not if phonics works. I've talked to teachers who think the war is silly and they all say the same thing, they secretly devalue phonics. This is a problem, especially for kids who don't have parents who can teach phonics. Do you know what a schwa sound is?
@@edwardmitchell6581 Great points. Guessing is not encouraged in learning basic math, as guessing is only useful when the child already has a good understanding of math and has tons of practice already. Reading is not that different from math as it is also very logical and analytical.
@@mada5326 I like the connection to math. Imagine seeing blue birds and guessing two because blue birds often come in pairs. Or you could count! Rant about computers: Guessing is lazy and my 6 year old used to guess at math as well. All these computer assignments in kindergarten encourage guessing. If you just click and hear a "uh uhhhn", many children feel rewarded by the guess because they like the funny sound.
Science of Reading didn't start the war. Romantic progressivism. Constructivism and whole language started it in 1800's. Structured Literacy is teaching alphabetic code.
here is what i want to see ...... to rub it in their faces ... that they don't ACTUALLY want what they are promoting i want to run a business like Michaela Community prison + religion lets spitball that scenario..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- their will be no DEI at the work place, and it will be an at will work place, everyone signs a NDA, ALL grievances are handled my arbitration, employees will only be hired of the "right" station. work hours are from 7am to 7pm, 6 days a week, 15 minute "breaks" to gather your food but all eating of food will be working lunches. employees only receive minimum wage. healthcare and all other benefits are "socialism" so none of that. employees must show up BEFORE their shift to do mandatory group prayer after daily morning prayer they must recite BY MEMORY 1 of 3 possible passages, either in full or in part as instructed by their prayer leader, before being allowed to work. if they fail to recite, they get docked 10% of their wage that day. employees must past visual inspection throughout the day they must make NO mistakes in ANY of their work. 1 mistake is an addition hour of unpaid work that month. 2 mistakes is another 10% wage dock for the day. any use of unapproved language, words, phrases, references, or anything otherwise deemed unacceptable will result in a 1% docking that hours wage. employees must work 6 days a week, only receiving Sunday as a rest from work, but still must repot TO work to pray with their other employees on Sunday all work supplies will be docked from employees wages every hour of work a week that is volunteered outside of the mandatory 12hrs can be used to offset any demeaners made that week, the offset will be a 1% correction of docked wages. due to reprimand. quitting is not allowed, any attempt to quit without authorization will result in that years potential wages to be owed to the company, this is not earned wage but all potential wage including wage previously docked. an additional fee of 6 months for training your replacement will be fined. any excused absence must be scheduled and made back in time or as a fine. any unexcused absence must will result in the weeks wage docked and plus a 10% fine of the weeks potential wage..
I watched this video months ago and came back because I wanted to remember the specific points made. I think this is a well done video with many points we should think about more often rather than focusing on unnuanced wars. I wish this video had gotten more of a reach. 2k is great for the channel size but I think so many more people need to hear this for these ideas to get more attention
I'm in my third year of teaching and I already feel like we've reinvented the wheel 100 times just to avoid the fact that every single student is different. When I was in college, I remember thinking that the kind of methodology they use in crafting these teaching theories would never fly in any other field--all of them are done with groups of a couple hundred kids, at most, in one specific school, studying one specific element that contributes to the learning environment.
It's insane. That baseball test in particular is the equivalent of if I told you "yeah, I tested this medicine on at least 50 people, and their skin _specifically_ seemed fine. Let's just go ahead and give it to everyone, I don't think we need to do anymore tests."
Obviously the "best" approach is always going to be different for every classroom. Obviously the "best" approach is going to have a little bit of everything, and a well trained, reflexive teacher behind it all.
I have despised every single one of these education theories I've heard about. If I ever want to sell out, I'll get my doctorate and make thousands peddling air to fish.
wait is this music breakcore or something? 1:42
All of the music is original, created by our executive director, Chris. 👀
@@HumanRestorationProject oh nice
@@jimbovitikan4848 We've debated releasing an "HRP Mixtape" of sorts in the past! Maybe that'll come up again if we have time.
Oh, Christ, I should’ve listened, I should’ve skipped from 27:43 to 28:12 … those poor dogs. :’-(
Also, tangentially, for writing I’ve occasionally been thrown a ducat or two, in the U.S.A. no less … so the assumption would be that I’m “culturally literate,” perhaps even more so than the average bear - yet, I’ve never managed to sit through all of Wagner’s _Ring_ cycle, I could at best only vaguely describe its plot to you (it’s about a ring?), and upon my grave I swear to you, I’ve never heard of a peaker plant … yet, knowing what I do - a not-insubstantial amount, cough - I fail to see how any of these (or parity price, for that matter??) are central to “cultural literacy!” Does this mean I no longer belong to culture club? May I be readmitted for knowing who Culture Club are?? I suspect E.D. Hirsch would say “Нет!” My word, this is a dire watch so far … I do hope there’s a positive, practical, “Let’s keep education the humanizing, democratizing, development of critical thinking and global justice it was always meant to be!” call to action at the end. _Liberté, égalité, fraternité,_ I know those, do I get points for that?? …or only in dirty communist -Paris- -Europe- -France- that away place?
It definitely shocked me when I read about it. Usually the experiments are characterized in textbooks by cartoon dogs drooling at the sound of a bell. I thought it was important to see just how inhumane these controlled conditions were made to achieve the ideal relationship between input and output. Similar to the beautiful display boards of dead butterflies we had to kill to understand. Surely we can do better in our classrooms and schools.
iready diagnostics or star tests anyone?
reading is so subjective too… what one person sees as the “main idea” of a text may not be what another person sees.
How do they look at the baseball study and not think "If we want to measure comprehension of a paragraph, we should make sure it's about something the kids already know something about."?! That's the main takeaway to me. But I don't operate a textbook conglomerate, so maybe my lack of desire to sell a curriculum is making me not see the truth.
Or simply use the text as a way to teach the context! I did this all the time as a history teacher: a little mini lesson about the context to help give it meaning & make sense of the primary sources that follow. Easy peasy.
Lets gooo! Ive been waiting for this
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Just showing support
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The current Open Court reading program is radically different from the original 1963 program by Priscilla McQueen, which began with long vowels and proved highly effective in schools across America. The phonics programs in the1960 featured readers that were simlar in many ways to the look-say readers, with vocabulary and frequency controls, both of which were largely dispensed with in Open Court after SRA-McGraw-Hill revised the program. They are similar in name only.
massively underrated channel
Thanks Anna! 😁
1:03:20 forget everything else about this lady. I don’t want someone who falls for misinformation that is so easily disproven to be teaching anyone let alone kids. The litter box thing is not a difference of opinion or moral values. That is showing severe lack in being able to obtain and comprehend knowledge as well as basic research skills a child should have. Someone who can not educate themselves on such basic things should not be in charge on how children get educated
Reading scores for age 9 jumped when teachers started teaching to the test with No Child Left Behind,so that might explain that. Also, do you have figures for before 1971. I was taught phonics in the late 50's, but it was very gradual. I think people are too anxious these days and want their kids to be reading when they're still living in their imagination, so maybe phonics came to be taught too early. At Waldorf schools they use phonics, but they wait until "drilling" is possible-when the kids reach the age of reason at age 7. So, I think both methods are important, but we have to stop pushing abstract concepts on kids before they can understand them. Then, they easily learn phonics and have the tools for critical thinking-on their own.
Is there evidence of certain grade levels having more success with one type of learning over another?
For example first and second grades does best with phonics, 3rd - 5th grades does well with balanced literacy, and 6th grade and above is best to teach whole language? These are just random grades I thought of, but have educators observed something like this?
No. There is no evidence of that.
These kind of rules are dangerous. Yes, most people will fall under a certain range of developmental patterns where we can deduce what is best. But this doesn't apply to everyone. And specially, it doesn't apply those who defy the norms and patterns, those who are neurodivergent. It's important to adapt teaching to the kid's current developmental stage, but it's also important to notice developmental stages are a unique to each individual, even if for most it's very close together.
In my experience, kids learn phonics by the end of grade 2. However in 3rd, it helps to teach tricky suffixes and spelling rules.
I’d hope anyone not on that pace can see a specialist.
This is such a well written and edited video!! I'm so glad stuff like this is freely available!!!! You guys knocked it out of the park!!!
Thank you so much!
Phonics has been amazing for my kids. I'm amazed my son can read words he's never learned before, rather he was taught the tools of how words sound out.
Don't suppose I could ask you guys to tackle the math wars next?
We'll look into it...👀
And social studies!!
@@HumanRestorationProject omg breaking down the New Math and then the NEW New Math, and what it's intended to do and how it works, would be quite a video! and you could get Chris to remix that old Tom Leher song :p
You guys are insinuating a lot about the motives of SoR advocates without making a case for why balanced literacy or whole word is actually equally effective.
Felt like an intentional muddying of the waters. There is real damage being done by telling kids to look at the picture and guess. We can’t say it’s “just politics.”
I think you missed the point of the video. It’s not pro whole language. It is showing how the reading wars is an extension of the culture war. Making this into a war where there is solely one optimal method is what is being criticized not certain methods themselves like phonics
Edit: also did the studies that showed test scores didn’t increase when the methods changed not count as evidence of one not inherently being better than the other? How did you come to the conclusion that exclusively teaching phonics is better? Does it feel like common sense or did a study show not teaching other methods with phonics improved literacy by some metric?
@@lindensalter6713 There are two things that work.
1. Read to them starting as babies and keep reading to them until they prefer to read on their own.
2. Teach them phonics.
Anything other than phonics leads teachers to encourage guessing, which is a horrible habit.
If there should be a war, it should be how to teach phonics, not if phonics works.
I've talked to teachers who think the war is silly and they all say the same thing, they secretly devalue phonics. This is a problem, especially for kids who don't have parents who can teach phonics. Do you know what a schwa sound is?
@@edwardmitchell6581 Great points. Guessing is not encouraged in learning basic math, as guessing is only useful when the child already has a good understanding of math and has tons of practice already. Reading is not that different from math as it is also very logical and analytical.
@@mada5326 I like the connection to math. Imagine seeing blue birds and guessing two because blue birds often come in pairs. Or you could count!
Rant about computers:
Guessing is lazy and my 6 year old used to guess at math as well. All these computer assignments in kindergarten encourage guessing. If you just click and hear a "uh uhhhn", many children feel rewarded by the guess because they like the funny sound.
Science of Reading didn't start the war. Romantic progressivism. Constructivism and whole language started it in 1800's. Structured Literacy is teaching alphabetic code.
Literally with Horace Mann in the 1840s, and the 31 Boston Schoolmasters who were fervently against look-say method
@kenbeyond1222 Horace Mann loves whole language. 🫣 But go off.
here is what i want to see ...... to rub it in their faces ... that they don't ACTUALLY want what they are promoting
i want to run a business like Michaela Community prison + religion
lets spitball that scenario.....
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
their will be no DEI at the work place, and it will be an at will work place, everyone signs a NDA, ALL grievances are handled my arbitration, employees will only be hired of the "right" station.
work hours are from 7am to 7pm, 6 days a week, 15 minute "breaks" to gather your food but all eating of food will be working lunches.
employees only receive minimum wage. healthcare and all other benefits are "socialism" so none of that.
employees must show up BEFORE their shift to do mandatory group prayer
after daily morning prayer they must recite BY MEMORY 1 of 3 possible passages, either in full or in part as instructed by their prayer leader, before being allowed to work. if they fail to recite, they get docked 10% of their wage that day.
employees must past visual inspection throughout the day
they must make NO mistakes in ANY of their work. 1 mistake is an addition hour of unpaid work that month. 2 mistakes is another 10% wage dock for the day.
any use of unapproved language, words, phrases, references, or anything otherwise deemed unacceptable will result in a 1% docking that hours wage.
employees must work 6 days a week, only receiving Sunday as a rest from work, but still must repot TO work to pray with their other employees on Sunday
all work supplies will be docked from employees wages
every hour of work a week that is volunteered outside of the mandatory 12hrs can be used to offset any demeaners made that week, the offset will be a 1% correction of docked wages. due to reprimand.
quitting is not allowed, any attempt to quit without authorization will result in that years potential wages to be owed to the company, this is not earned wage but all potential wage including wage previously docked. an additional fee of 6 months for training your replacement will be fined.
any excused absence must be scheduled and made back in time or as a fine.
any unexcused absence must will result in the weeks wage docked and plus a 10% fine of the weeks potential wage..