Very nice video! I do have one question (if you still remember this vid hehe): I recently purchased a stock 35w version with an i5-6500T included. It ran perfect for a month before i decided to tinker and upgrade it with an i7-6700 (Non T; only reason I decided on this one was due to it being in the service manual.) I bought an upgraded power supply as well to compensate for the extra power draw, and it started throwing the 901 error (confused me for the longest time as to what it meant, but I have one on order now). However once it boots and comes under light load, it freezes up, and I have to restart the system only for the cycle to continue. Could this be due to thermals? My chassis didn't come with either the vents in the top or the secondary fan, although as mentioned earlier that fan is on the way. And if it is, would there be any way to rig those top vents?
@@laelsteronly thing missing would be the copper heatsink. I did a video that compared the two kinds but that was using a T processor. I'm thinking with the non T a copper one is pretty much needed. What kind of temps are you getting?
Just like you I bought a G2 on Ebay as a project to tinker with in my home lab. I'm using it as a bare metal Linux box to play around with different Distro's. It was missing the secondary fan and SATA caddy and I got the 901 error as well. I am not driving it hard and only use an NVME SSD so the missing fan is not a huge factor really. I was able to make the 901 error stop by connecting the RPM pin from the CPU fan via a BODGE wire carefully spliced with solder and heat shrink to the secondary fan connector. It mainly caused an issue because I wanted it to boot when the power came back on after an outage automatically. It would sit forever waiting for someone to press a key then continue. It doesn't have a monitor or keyboard attached normally. I was so proud of my fix I even told my wife and she has no idea what I'm talking about so I get to tell someone who understands. YEAH!! I enjoy tinkering with these mini PC's. I'm looking on a deal to put an i7 in it down the road so I can put Proxmox on it so there can be several versions of Linux to play with at the same on one box. I'll probably add a fan then.
I have many a conversation that goes like "so what are you going to use these for and why do you have so many?". It's great that we have a place for crazy folks like us to gather 👍
YES YES YES!! I LOVE TINKERING WITH MINI PC'S AND VIRTUAL MACHINES!! Aaaaahhh!! that felt good. I make it a point to almost never use Windows also.I've even messed with Android on Intel too.@@handmedowntech
Love my 65 Watt G2. Pretty sure I have it maxed out with an i7 6700 (not the T) , 32 GB RAM, Windows 11 Pro installed and upgraded the WiFi to an Intel AX210. It’s been great so far! Currently have a 500GB SSD but I’m considering installing a 1TB NVME.
Now, what if you have the 65w model and want to install the T varient CPU? Does having the extra fan and 90w PSU cause issues with this? Or is the 65w model able to use either the 6500 AND T varient fine?
I tend to prefer installing proxmox - that way you can then create virtual Linux machines, play with different versions, do full machine backups, etc. Are you trying to boot from a linux install disk?
I also run proxmox. I installed proxmox on USB sticks and use internal disks strictly for storage. And it turns out if I used SAMSUNG usb sticks it will either boot randomly, wait a long time or will get stuck forever. As soon as i unplug a stick it will immediately continue booting (no reboot needed). So i went with external usb->sata box and used m.2 sata to boot off and it worked. So being stuck on startup could be usb peripherial issue.
Subtle difference and I'm not sure how much difference it makes but I believe all the 65W units were fitted with a copper heatsink rather than an aluminium one (I note yours is). If you fit higher power processors on a 35W unit but put the bigger psu on they still seem happy, just watch the cooling.
I have a 10th gen intel HP 35W micro pc that only works with T type cpus. Regular cpus just beep. Ive also tried swapping cpus on Dell micro pcs and those seem to work every time.
@@nadussee you'll see in the video where I get the beeps using the power powered adapter. First time I got my unit and I got the beeps I thought it was defective. I happened to have a 90w laying around and tried it. Booted right up.
Can somebody tell me where can I get the secondary fan to buy? I'm trying to convert my 35W to 65W system. Currently I'm getting the 901 Error. I wish I really want to bootup the PC without any touch and run it smoothly. I'm planning to run the PC heavily loaded for a long period of time. So I wish I had the fan in place before anything get fried.
www.ebay.com/itm/204498240308?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=zsbqGmWeQSK&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=AkrMEZQLSEC&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY this is for the caddy and fan but you should be able to find just the fan but the price might not be that much better.
@@handmedowntech @handmedowntech I stand corrected. I just replaced ssd on one of these and the fan does exist on that model. And it seems also that higher power one has better (copper) cpu cooler. If you look at the fan sizes, then these are also different.
@@handmedowntechNo, look at the video - if you have them side by side then one fan has bigger inner core and less airgap. So probably one of them is higher speed/performance
Hello my friend! I'm very intregued by your videos, especially this one because I recently did the same thing you are addressing here. I like your style and information so I am a new subscriber. Recently my G2 65 watt motherboard died and I had to replace it. I had another HP Mini mobo hanging out in a box so I switched it out with the bad one. My concern was that I didn't know if it would work in a 65 watt system because it does not say anywhere on the mobo whether it is a 35 watt or 65 watt mobo. After I hooked it all up with my original i5 6600 CPU and the secondary cooling fan installed and my 90 watt PS, turned it on and to my surprise...IT DID NOT WORK! The unit just keeps turning on for a few seconds and turns off. Although I get a video signal and the HP logo shows on screen, the computer just keeps going on and off. So, I sumise, there must be a differance in the 35 watt mobo and the 65 watt mobo. I thought that if you hooked any mobo up to be either a 65 watt system or 35 watt system they would work...NO that aint happenin! I'm going to look further into this. And, by the way, the the cooling grates on top of the 65 watt lid are to draw in extra air for the cooling because the 65 watt runs hotter. The 35 watt has no need for these grates, although you can run a 35 watt with the grated lid, it won't change anything. The copper heatsink in the 65 watt is for better heat transfer. The 35 watt uses only an aluminum heatsink. OK! Stay cool my friend and keep those videos commin!...
Very interesting. That seems like a hassle for hp to have two flavors of mobo. Could there be a jumper of some kind that needs to be set? I know of folks putting a 6500t into a 65w system and it worked.
That's a great thought! I'll check that out. I haven't found anything in the manuals and nothing I could find on youtube about a differance in the mobo wattage ut I'll keep looking. Thanks!@@handmedowntech
Yes! I am getting a video signal briefly when the system is running but then it shuts down and then starts up again. I just can't find any stats on the boards indicating that one mobo is 35 watt and one is a 65 watt mobo! Very STRANGE that HP does not indicate this on the mobo, if this is the case!@@handmedowntech
@@RedMAGACult I'm looking over the hardware service guide and nothing jumps out as far as mobo differences. Have you tried the cmos reset button? And you're not getting any beeps?
The 9500 or 9500t? I grabbed one of the G5 9500t. I'm doing some stress testing on it. Any issues with overheating? I'm getting temps in the high 70s when running software stress tests
@@handmedowntech mine is 9500, no issues whatsoever. Runned stress tests few times, it gets around 78~80°C, ~30 at idle. Thinking of changing the thermopaste for noctua H2. I'm pretty happy so far. Ordered 2x16gig ram and 1tb nvme.. I've found that got one with flexio USB C add-on card.the only thing were missing were little screws in 2.5inch drive caddy.
@@TitoLukason good to know you had similar numbers. I had been testing with 8500t on my g4 and getting high 60s so I was concerned about the high 70s. I repasted mine with nt h1.
@@handmedowntech on full load it is getting hairdrierish although no more than my latitude with i5 7440hq, heat dissipation is quite good, good design imho, beefy copper radiator and decent fan do the job.
@@TitoLukason I guess I was expecting the fan to kick it up more as the temps got higher. The sound is noticeable as the temps go up on the G4 but not on the G5.
The 65 and 35 watt of them are just the same it's only counts as 65w if you need a additional fan and ventilation if you have a CPU that runs over 2.9 clock speed. Sigh* I wish I had some thermal paste that became thick as taffy...
This is not entirely true, you only get the error message on boot if you have a 65w TDP CPU installed without the HDD fan installed as well. Of course you should also use a 90w PSU to avoid the power draw error popping up. The system does not check the clock speed to determine if it needs the HDD fan or not, it checked the TDP registered in the CPU itself. .
Excuse my ignorance. Is that different than the 19.5v listed for the adapter itself? Also make sure to use an HP vs Dell adapter since I've heard the Dell will fit but the unit won't like it.
The only video i had to see before purchasing a G2. Excellent work. Thank you.
Glad it was of help. Thanks for watching.
Very nice video! I do have one question (if you still remember this vid hehe): I recently purchased a stock 35w version with an i5-6500T included. It ran perfect for a month before i decided to tinker and upgrade it with an i7-6700 (Non T; only reason I decided on this one was due to it being in the service manual.) I bought an upgraded power supply as well to compensate for the extra power draw, and it started throwing the 901 error (confused me for the longest time as to what it meant, but I have one on order now). However once it boots and comes under light load, it freezes up, and I have to restart the system only for the cycle to continue. Could this be due to thermals? My chassis didn't come with either the vents in the top or the secondary fan, although as mentioned earlier that fan is on the way. And if it is, would there be any way to rig those top vents?
@@laelsteronly thing missing would be the copper heatsink. I did a video that compared the two kinds but that was using a T processor. I'm thinking with the non T a copper one is pretty much needed. What kind of temps are you getting?
Just like you I bought a G2 on Ebay as a project to tinker with in my home lab. I'm using it as a bare metal Linux box to play around with different Distro's. It was missing the secondary fan and SATA caddy and I got the 901 error as well. I am not driving it hard and only use an NVME SSD so the missing fan is not a huge factor really. I was able to make the 901 error stop by connecting the RPM pin from the CPU fan via a BODGE wire carefully spliced with solder and heat shrink to the secondary fan connector. It mainly caused an issue because I wanted it to boot when the power came back on after an outage automatically. It would sit forever waiting for someone to press a key then continue. It doesn't have a monitor or keyboard attached normally. I was so proud of my fix I even told my wife and she has no idea what I'm talking about so I get to tell someone who understands. YEAH!! I enjoy tinkering with these mini PC's. I'm looking on a deal to put an i7 in it down the road so I can put Proxmox on it so there can be several versions of Linux to play with at the same on one box. I'll probably add a fan then.
I have many a conversation that goes like "so what are you going to use these for and why do you have so many?". It's great that we have a place for crazy folks like us to gather 👍
YES YES YES!! I LOVE TINKERING WITH MINI PC'S AND VIRTUAL MACHINES!! Aaaaahhh!! that felt good. I make it a point to almost never use Windows also.I've even messed with Android on Intel too.@@handmedowntech
Love my 65 Watt G2. Pretty sure I have it maxed out with an i7 6700 (not the T) , 32 GB RAM, Windows 11 Pro installed and upgraded the WiFi to an Intel AX210. It’s been great so far! Currently have a 500GB SSD but I’m considering installing a 1TB NVME.
Now that sounds like a system. I haven't done much with my 65w. Even as my core system I'm still using SATA SSD.
Now, what if you have the 65w model and want to install the T varient CPU? Does having the extra fan and 90w PSU cause issues with this? Or is the 65w model able to use either the 6500 AND T varient fine?
No problem at all. You can even go back and use the 65w PSU if you go with the 6500t.
i have a question, can i put regular pc cooler in the elitedesk mini without the case on? does it have screw hole for regular pc cooler?
Unfortunately the screw layout is proprietary for HP's own heatsink.
What is the black rectangular thing left side on the back?
That is where the antenna comes out. Hp puts a little covering over it
Very nice video!
Do you think with a ram upgrade to 16 gb is a good idea for music production?
Definitely at least 16gb. Just make sure to have 2 8gb sticks so you get the dual channel support.
@@handmedowntech Thank you!
Nice video! Side questions- Are you able to install Ubuntu into these units. Mine stuck at the boot screen for about 3 mins before booting 😢
I tend to prefer installing proxmox - that way you can then create virtual Linux machines, play with different versions, do full machine backups, etc. Are you trying to boot from a linux install disk?
I also run proxmox. I installed proxmox on USB sticks and use internal disks strictly for storage. And it turns out if I used SAMSUNG usb sticks it will either boot randomly, wait a long time or will get stuck forever. As soon as i unplug a stick it will immediately continue booting (no reboot needed). So i went with external usb->sata box and used m.2 sata to boot off and it worked. So being stuck on startup could be usb peripherial issue.
Subtle difference and I'm not sure how much difference it makes but I believe all the 65W units were fitted with a copper heatsink rather than an aluminium one (I note yours is). If you fit higher power processors on a 35W unit but put the bigger psu on they still seem happy, just watch the cooling.
That makes sense. I did see a difference in the heatsink colors.
I have a 10th gen intel HP 35W micro pc that only works with T type cpus. Regular cpus just beep. Ive also tried swapping cpus on Dell micro pcs and those seem to work every time.
@@nadussee have you tried using a 90w power supply with those regular CPUs?
@@handmedowntech I think i only tried with the 65w power supply. Definitely remember that it gave the cpu error beep code.
@@nadussee you'll see in the video where I get the beeps using the power powered adapter. First time I got my unit and I got the beeps I thought it was defective. I happened to have a 90w laying around and tried it. Booted right up.
Can somebody tell me where can I get the secondary fan to buy? I'm trying to convert my 35W to 65W system. Currently I'm getting the 901 Error. I wish I really want to bootup the PC without any touch and run it smoothly. I'm planning to run the PC heavily loaded for a long period of time. So I wish I had the fan in place before anything get fried.
www.ebay.com/itm/204498240308?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=zsbqGmWeQSK&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=AkrMEZQLSEC&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY this is for the caddy and fan but you should be able to find just the fan but the price might not be that much better.
I have 6700 and no fan in there. Was advertised as 65w and came with either 65 or 90w charger.
@@arva1kes so just the normal fan over the memory slots?
@@handmedowntech @handmedowntech I stand corrected. I just replaced ssd on one of these and the fan does exist on that model. And it seems also that higher power one has better (copper) cpu cooler. If you look at the fan sizes, then these are also different.
@@arva1kes I'll have to check that out. When you say fan size are you ref6to the one over the memory slots?
@@handmedowntechNo, look at the video - if you have them side by side then one fan has bigger inner core and less airgap. So probably one of them is higher speed/performance
@@arva1kes I guess I get so caught up on getting the video out I don't truly "watch" it, thanks. 👍
Hello my friend! I'm very intregued by your videos, especially this one because I recently did the same thing you are addressing here. I like your style and information so I am a new subscriber. Recently my G2 65 watt motherboard died and I had to replace it. I had another HP Mini mobo hanging out in a box so I switched it out with the bad one. My concern was that I didn't know if it would work in a 65 watt system because it does not say anywhere on the mobo whether it is a 35 watt or 65 watt mobo. After I hooked it all up with my original i5 6600 CPU and the secondary cooling fan installed and my 90 watt PS, turned it on and to my surprise...IT DID NOT WORK! The unit just keeps turning on for a few seconds and turns off. Although I get a video signal and the HP logo shows on screen, the computer just keeps going on and off. So, I sumise, there must be a differance in the 35 watt mobo and the 65 watt mobo. I thought that if you hooked any mobo up to be either a 65 watt system or 35 watt system they would work...NO that aint happenin! I'm going to look further into this. And, by the way, the the cooling grates on top of the 65 watt lid are to draw in extra air for the cooling because the 65 watt runs hotter. The 35 watt has no need for these grates, although you can run a 35 watt with the grated lid, it won't change anything. The copper heatsink in the 65 watt is for better heat transfer. The 35 watt uses only an aluminum heatsink. OK! Stay cool my friend and keep those videos commin!...
Very interesting. That seems like a hassle for hp to have two flavors of mobo. Could there be a jumper of some kind that needs to be set? I know of folks putting a 6500t into a 65w system and it worked.
That's a great thought! I'll check that out. I haven't found anything in the manuals and nothing I could find on youtube about a differance in the mobo wattage ut I'll keep looking. Thanks!@@handmedowntech
@@RedMAGACult couple other things. I assume all fans are connected? Do you get any video output?
Yes! I am getting a video signal briefly when the system is running but then it shuts down and then starts up again. I just can't find any stats on the boards indicating that one mobo is 35 watt and one is a 65 watt mobo! Very STRANGE that HP does not indicate this on the mobo, if this is the case!@@handmedowntech
@@RedMAGACult I'm looking over the hardware service guide and nothing jumps out as far as mobo differences. Have you tried the cmos reset button? And you're not getting any beeps?
I've just bought 800 G5 with i5 9500, 8/256. Love it.
And it's more powerful than my custom build 6600K 😂
The 9500 or 9500t? I grabbed one of the G5 9500t. I'm doing some stress testing on it. Any issues with overheating? I'm getting temps in the high 70s when running software stress tests
@@handmedowntech mine is 9500, no issues whatsoever. Runned stress tests few times, it gets around 78~80°C, ~30 at idle. Thinking of changing the thermopaste for noctua H2. I'm pretty happy so far. Ordered 2x16gig ram and 1tb nvme.. I've found that got one with flexio USB C add-on card.the only thing were missing were little screws in 2.5inch drive caddy.
@@TitoLukason good to know you had similar numbers. I had been testing with 8500t on my g4 and getting high 60s so I was concerned about the high 70s. I repasted mine with nt h1.
@@handmedowntech on full load it is getting hairdrierish although no more than my latitude with i5 7440hq, heat dissipation is quite good, good design imho, beefy copper radiator and decent fan do the job.
@@TitoLukason I guess I was expecting the fan to kick it up more as the temps got higher. The sound is noticeable as the temps go up on the G4 but not on the G5.
The 65 and 35 watt of them are just the same it's only counts as 65w if you need a additional fan and ventilation if you have a CPU that runs over 2.9 clock speed. Sigh* I wish I had some thermal paste that became thick as taffy...
Hearing that the heatsink is copper vs aluminum
@@handmedowntech the copper maybe just colored aluminum...
Unless you check the weight of both of them.
Good point, I was going off of some of the other commentators but it might make sense that a hotter processor might need a more robust heatsink.
@@handmedowntech the CPU is going it get hot regardless tempture is going to make any metal become hot.
This is not entirely true, you only get the error message on boot if you have a 65w TDP CPU installed without the HDD fan installed as well. Of course you should also use a 90w PSU to avoid the power draw error popping up.
The system does not check the clock speed to determine if it needs the HDD fan or not, it checked the TDP registered in the CPU itself. .
anybody knows that adapter's center pin votage ? thanks.
Excuse my ignorance. Is that different than the 19.5v listed for the adapter itself? Also make sure to use an HP vs Dell adapter since I've heard the Dell will fit but the unit won't like it.
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@@handmedowntech yes, they are different. Dell adaptors must be modified to use on HP MINI PCs.