I read Stanley’s book “Irresistible” a couple years ago and found it so chock full of wrong teaching and bad logic, all pulling one away from biblical faithfulness, that I am not surprised at all to hear him saying these things now. Who knows what harm he is yet to cause. Thank you for making this video. It’s not about finding flaws. It’s about rightly responding to dangerous and false teaching.
Pastor Mike, I'm a subscriber of yours and find it interesting the close circle of you tube creators. Here's my thought, please critique. I feel the Andy Stanley and those who are alike have fallen prey to "toxic empathy." I'm not sure if I've heard this term elsewhere or coined it myself, but toxic empathy is when empathy to the pain of others leads them or others away from truth and into sin. (Perhaps you can refine the definition) I get it, Andy probably has a multitude of people with same sex attraction, and he cares for them so much that his empathy has convinced him to rationalize.
Yeah, Wingman. You would be humorous if you weren't as dangerous to the body as you fear other "teachers" (theologians, for what else is a teacher?) to be. Stick to the basics. Read your C. S. Lewis for crying out loud. How many times have I listened to you slog through stuff he said better, more clearly, and certainly in fewer words. All your commenters are yes men, or worse "women always learning." Go Mike! cheerleaders. There are others, whose stock is up, while poor Pentecost is in real bear territory, (Bye Bye Benny), such as brother Minor (major on them!), a truer Roundhead than you who at least gives lip service to "continuationism" like your mentor, like it or not he is, Chuck Line by Line Smith. A God-please cannot be a man pleaser. Teach Pauline doctrine, which was given to him by special revelation, and is not strictly speaking found anywhere in the Judaic text. For example, how the law, connected to those "weak and beggarly elements" of the universe was "administered" (governed and promulgated) by angels! Three witnesses attest, in good legal fashion: 1. Stephen, martyr number one 2. Paul, rabbi of the new covenant 3. The author of Hebrews, who knows some things: a. Jesus is better than the "angels" b. His covenant is better than the load no forefather could bear c. That soul and spirit are different! and made separate by that thing you "Sola Scriptura" Pharisees talk about, but don't understand: "the word of God" Many things you do well, and better than anyone else, which is why I stab you: "Faithful are the wounds of a friend."
I was a lesbian and was still married to my ex when I walked into my church. I was struggling with being a Christian and being gay and wanted both things. Until one night in my room crying out to God about it and he convinced me of my sin, I cried and cried and begged for forgiveness and asked Him to change me. I am now not attracted to women. Saying this I know and have watched testimonies of people still having the attraction to the same sex but are celibate due to their love for Jesus. The same as if you lied before giving your life to Jesus you continue to give the sin to God and repent to walk out your salvation (if you are still lying) for example, we are not all changed of all the past at the moment of conversion. Transformation can take a long time and we aren't perfect till we are with the Lord! Hope this makes sense 🙏🏼
So glad that you've decided that Jesus is worth surrendering your all for. He is so wonderful and so worth of our complete devotion. He will continue to strengthen you, as you keep on putting Him first.
What do you say to the person who has repented, surrendered to Jesus, even married the opposite sex and is still attracted to same sex. Do we condem and ostricise them?? Or do we show love and mercy and accept them as "who God made them to be". If the church can't show grace, we are no better than the Pharasees.
@wisedyes yeah that's what I was saying, sometimes the new man is still attracted to the same sex. They aren't in sin if they don't follow through with their temptation. Absolutely show them love and mercy and support them in every way.
I was at Michael Miller's conference in Cincinnati last weekend and please tell him that God is healing my hands and tinnitus issues. I wasn't even thinking about either of those things but our loving and merciful and caring Heavenly Father remembered my prayers! Hallelujah Don't stop believing or praying guys!
I hurt with you. Romans 12:15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. I am forever praising and believing Jesus is the Christ, and this is pleasing to God.
I was saved listening to him on the radio. He was such an amazingly good pastor. I was at church every time the door was open. It was an amazing 3 years as a new Christian. I pray that God will let me know how to pray for him and maybe call or email him. He is lost. I have been watching this from afar for 3 years. I moved 3 years after I got saved and have lived in another state. Lord, what does his wife think…his kids…his dad…
As someone with a disability (multiple sclerosis), I reject the idea that I must be defined by it. I reject that I can do nothing about what it takes away from my life - or that I must just give in when my illness causes me to do things against the Word of God (sloth, anger, envy)… I could give in. I could give up. And the world would forgive me for it. Actually the world expects me to do just that. But I would know, in my heart, I COULD do more. I would know in my heart that I was falling short of what I could do with God. And God would know too. So even if homosexual inclination is a disability - giving in to it, letting it define you, acting on where it causes you to be inclined to fall short of the moral law - THAT is a choice. EVEN if choosing the alternative is harder that giving in - it’s still a choice to give in.
May we agree in prayer right now for your continued protection, improvement of symptoms and victory over the world (and "the weak and beggarly elements" thereof)? And also for your family, that all would be saved, filled with the Spirit, empowered to serve in peace with God and fellowship one with another. May revelation, peace, mercy, healing, success in ministry and good fruits in the graces of the Spirit and the power of the Gospel abound to you and your loved ones now and for the future, according to this promise of the holy scripture: "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved, you and your house."
Great content. I've had same-sex attraction challenges but follow the word of God rather than my own feelings. So good to hear the truth. I've recently left the Church of England as it appears they are heading to bless same sex relationships..
I knew there were Christians out there like you! Thanks for sharing your perspective. A person may not be able to control his attractions, but he can always choose to follow God. Not easy, but it’s what all believers are called to do. Praying that you find a church home that upholds the Word of God and welcomes you like family. 🙏🏽
Hey troy! Rowntree has been telling me that you have had some helpful critiques of our Shean bowlz video. You should shoot me an email Id love to connect. Josh@theRemnantRadio.com
Excellent content, guys! As a former "music contractor" for North Point Ministries, I've seen this coming for a LONG time. :( Happily, the Lord plucked my wife and me out of that (church growth) movement and that "church". We were introduced to the doctrines of grace, repented of our low view of God and Scripture and have never looked back. Pray for Andy and the thousands who are deceived by his false teaching.
I haven’t listened to the whole episode yet but I cant imagine what his dad Charles is thinking…he’s been a lifelong devout Christian and I just can’t imagine that he isn’t totally heartbroken over this. Praying for Andy’s repentance and salvation.
So so glad you guys had this conversation on this topic! I was very concerned when I heard what Stanley said, and we need now more than ever to cling to God's Word for WHAT IT SAYS, and not what we feel. Proud of you fellas
Growing up, getting told “no, don’t do that,” when it comes to sexuality didn’t work for me. Unfortunately, it wasn’t until very recently that I realized how good God’s order of marriage, marital priorities, and order of the household is. I think it was Michael Rowntree who explained marriage and sexuality differently than what I grew up with. Anyway, I recommend it for anyone. It wouldve saved a lot of stress, I could’ve used my time toward self-improvement or development, and other more noble and profitable things. I love God’s order of marriage and the household, I feel very belonged, loved, and protected as a wife.
Part of this problem is that among Christians there is a juvenile idea about sex generally. People think they are going to find a “savior” in a heterosexual partner, That God kind of “owes us” fulfillment of sexual desires we may have. This is something pathetically very very common among many Christians.
I can’t even count how many times I said AMEN watching this! Thank you for responding to Stanley so fearlessly and so lovingly and more than anything-so Biblically. It’s powerful. God bless y’all.
This is a grief! I'm from France this issue is raging! Here Lutheran , calvinists and Free evangelic church are celebrating LG "union" and they ordained "a L couple" as Pastors in Montpellier. After a synode the Belgium free evangelical churches issued a statement to break free from the decision that : the Unified reformed church (calvinists, lutherans and free evangelical churches) position to affirm LGBTQ etc. Was not sustainable. A minorité of pastors from Lutherans churches founded the " protestant and attestant movement " i.e: we're protestant against the Roman Catholic and attesting the truth of the scriptures and thus not affirming and some condemning. This has to stop! We caannot be a minority to attest that the holy scriptures are true! It's crazy! As a french when I heard the Marcionism in Andy's mouth and his discussion with Jeff Durbin and with Dr James White...I think we all sensed this was coming...It's such a chagrine...
and why would you want a person to live in denial and unhappy relationship that would cause them misery why you want that person to live in hell with a person they dont love nor are attracted to
2 Tim 4:3 states: For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. .... This is one of the signs of the end times. How very sad. Thank you for the clarity of this segment.
You compared homosexuality to theft! Forgets Andy Stanley compared them to DISABLED! This was sooooo good. Of someone tells me they were “born this way”, my response is “me too! I too was born with a sin nature…. Hence the need for all to repent and be born again, trusting Jesus to renew my mind” Thank y’all for doing this!
Ive always listened to Andy Stanleys father ..Charles Stanley ..A GODLY MAN ..A LAWFUL MAN . I KNOW HE MUST BE JUST AS GRIEVED AS WE ALL ARE ABOUT HIS SON Andy... pray for his soul. GOD BLESS AND THANK YOU GUYS.✝️🙏❤
@@TheWayWalker I imagine he is devastated. I loved being part of their church when I was a baby Christian.. such a great place to start. I had to move away due to family.
There are those in the church calling Charles Stanley a heretic. Sure glad we don't burn heretics at the stake anymore. ""If MY people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, pray and seek my face and turn from THEIR WICKED WAYS, then I will hear from heaven, and will heal their land."
Oh tell me about it. Charle Stanley’s work has added to my faith growth. God used this man to train my friend and I in our walk of faith. We are even planning to visit his church in September after a conference we are attending through G3. I was texting my friend today about this because I know Charles Stanley is probably broken to see his son on the headlines for things that are so heretical 🤦🏾♀️😞 this is so heartbreaking 💔
How does Charles Stanley feel about Andy Stanley? “I felt like this was a huge battle, and if Andy had been in a huge battle … you'd have to crawl over me to get to him,” Charles Stanley, now 80, says.” I would have stood by him, no matter what. I didn't feel like he did that.” There's no father-son preaching duo quite like the Stanleys.
We must grip the truth with white knuckles and be willing to live and die for it. What blesses me the most about this is that young men are speaking out. GOD BLESS THEM!
Thank you for this. Please pray for the Church of England in the UK, who are debating whether same-sex marriages can be blessed in church. So worrying and concerning.
@@tpw7250 Absolutely yes. Europe overall is falling into apostate Christianity. It’s so bad that some biblically sound American churches have sent missionaries over to preach to the increasingly secularized culture and help remaining believers create faithful churches.
This is a grief! I'm from France this issue is raging! Here Lutheran , calvinists and Free evangelic church are celebrating LG "union" and they ordained "a L couple" as Pastors in Montpellier. After a synode the Belgium free evangelical churches issued a statement to break free from the decision that : the Unified reformed church (calvinists, lutherans and free evangelical churches) position to affirm LGBTQ etc. Was not sustainable. A minorité of pastors from Lutherans churches founded the " protestant and attestant movement " i.e: we're protestant against the Roman Catholic and attesting the truth of the scriptures and thus not affirming and some condemning. This has to stop! We caannot be a minority to attest that the holy scriptures are true! It's crazy!
@ Pamela Womack you should you and the christians against, get involved in the synodal process. I believe the Church of England works that way! You should begin to create a lobbying group to have impact on the process + intercession
Great episode. I've just subscribed. Lets pray for Andy Stanley! I'm glad (near the end) you clarified regarding same sex attraction after becoming a Christian. Becoming a Christian does not take away temptation for most people. We go through a sanctification process, a working out of our salvation regarding any sin we struggle with. We have been given a new spirit, but our souls still need to be refined. This is why Paul talks about renewing our minds. Our minds have been corrupted and we repent (change our minds) as we grow spiritually.
This whole topic puts fear in my heart. I’m a lover of truth and have a deep compassion for those who struggle to overcome sinful behaviours. Affirming homosexuality waters down the Truth. The truth being Jesus and His good news that sets us free! I believe the message and power of the gospel is the way to overcome sin. The struggle with homosexuality gives us insight to the power of sin in all our lives and how original sin has been past down. When we view sin as just a choice to stop a bad behaviour we can miss the gospel. As Paul said, all I want to know is Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Justification starts the change and sanctification Continues the process till the day of Jesus Christ. Please Don’t rob the broken of the hope we have in Christ. 😢Minister the gospel in power and love!
I have had 4 (at one time very close) friends now who have walked away from their marriages for a same sex relationship. Friends who were in my small group, friends I fellowshipped and ministered with at one time. It’s very heartbreaking to watch this becoming more and more accepted.
May I ask if they still believe they are under grace? Do they believed they are already saved because of the Cross? I hope you can give a fair answer as I have a great interest in the meaning of grace.
@@simonskinner1450 well, none of them claim to be believers now. But, from what I was able to tell, none chose this path believing they were under grace so it was ok. The progression I witnessed is that they veer off into progressive Christian teachings leading them to believe that homosexuality isn’t sinful at all, eventuality choosing that lifestyle telling themselves God is cool with it, but yeah - none of them claim any kind of Christian faith at this point.
@@annadillard7145 Believing in God is not cool, but they are 'gaslighted' into Evoatheism, and if they did believe they are told they are spread saved. They are not. I do have a Ytube video series called 'Myths in so-called Christianity' and I expose false beliefs from false teaching. It is however sad if they were good people apart from their sins you nentioned, but they will be judged.
@@annadillard7145 Thanks for sharing of your heart-wrenching stories of your friends. These now countless anecdotes lead me to believe that there is a powerful demonic spirit at work in convincing people to pursue “unnatural” relationships at rates unseen historically since the falling of the Greek and Roman empires, where paganism inspired all manner of sexual sin. It is a renewal of Sodom and Gomorrah. It is so brutal to witness the cultural shaping of my nieces and nephews in the combo of full embrace of everything LGTBQ+ and the parallel rejection of everything Christian and biblical. It seems that holding to both (the bible and sexual perversion) ends of being a transitory passing through station as LGBTQ+ convictions eventually land people into hardened atheism. Progressive affirming Churches appear to be built on hillsides of slippery slopes as temporary camping out locations - aiding the eventual fall down the cliff.
It is sick and clearly reprobate. The book of Romans is VERY clear on this. We can't sugar coat it or explain it away. It isn't definition a "falling away" and perverse behavior.
There is something very interesting (and frightening) to be learned here, related to the topic of group dynamics. And that is this: The larger the group, and the higher up you are in it, the less likely you are to have people confront you when you go off the rails. This sort of happens in the secular realm as much as it does in Christendom. Think of major figures who have fallen recently, as well as others who won't fall in this life because people are too terrified to ever call them on their junk. For instance, can you imagine people calling out the pope for straying from the truth? (No. He's not infallible.) A small group doesn't typically let its leaders go off the deep end without saying something. But in a large group, the members figure either that 1) someone else will say something, or 2) maybe what's going on isn't really all that bad. I'm not necessarily putting down mega churches. But I do think that this is possibly their greatest weakness. The issue has to become a massive scandal before people finally call the leader out on their junk.
Andy is literally trying to remove the Old Testament implying that it is a a barrier to acceptance of Homosexuality. How can he erase the Genealogy of Jesus Christ? It’s like trying to erase the history of the world before 1960. How can anyone take Andy Stanley seriously, unless they are looking for a way to skirt their Sin? If you ask me, it’s all about church attendance. I see it everywhere. Churches trying to attract young people by being inclusive and “affirming”. Anything goes to get people through that door and in the pews.
I was brought up in a “Christian“ group when I first came to Christ that definitely was influenced by Stanley. Women were the leaders, and the pastors wife was the head of the group, and she would say “we don’t need the old testament and we need to unhitch it.” Later on, she would say, “we don’t need Paul’s words. We only need Jesus words” when I started bringing up the issue of church leader ship, and what the Bible plainly says about it. These progressive Christians cut the Bible down as much as they can to fit their personal egos and agendas and to maintain social standing. of course I was labeled a misogynist and got ostracized, but I saw the truth that they were Christians who despised God‘s truth, and were willing to compromise whatever they needed to to have influence in their social circles.
Thank you so much, I used to listen to Dr. Stanley. Some time I ran across his son and decided to check him out. I was shocked when he said the OT was an ancient book that he didn't know if it was true, "I don't know if it's right, I wasn't there,". He also questioned Christ't belief in the bible. He is not even in my ballpark.
I really appreciated you guys parsing out the difference between the truth category with Stanley’s heresies and the pastoral element of loving our SSA brothers. I would say that the cushioning language spoken of a few times IS important from a missiological perspective, since we are not dealing with a culture that sees theft and drug addiction in the same category as the LGBT issue. The connotation of speaking truth on sexual ethics immediately goes into the homophobic realm for those who don’t have that understanding in their minds. Prefacing our speech with love for these people can be a tactful tool in gaining an ear to listen, instead of being written off right away.
Great point! Truth with love (Ephesians 4:15) 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 talks of The apostle Paul approaching people differently to effectively communicate the gospel. He did this without compromising the truth, but was sensitive to the environment.
Subscribed. Kinda odd, I saw you pop up on the AGTV Spirit and Fire trailer and then Mike Winger posted the link to here. Awesome channel. Will be praying for y’all
Remnant radio - I know it’s hard and I know it breaks your hearts but you will stand before God and HE will commend you for exposing this. I commend you
Can I just say that I really appreciate your soberness and respect when you are doing this video. It is so easy to get full of sarcasm and Snark when we discuss especially the homosexual community. And I see it sadly on a lot of “discernment” TH-cam ministries. just because Elijah mocked the prophets of Baal doesn’t mean that we can sit there and mocked these people. The New Testament talks clearly about respectfully addressing people and our speech being seasoned with salt.
Thank you so much for standing firm on the words of Christ! We desperately need so much more of this from true Christians. I pray for Andy Stanley to repent of his ways. You guys earned another follower. By the way I love and fully endorse Mike Winger 😁
As a Bible teacher myself I always think of James 3:1. This is a sobering warning. “My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.” James 3:1 NKJV
This is also part of the reason the UMC is splitting. My husband was a UMC pastor until leaving in 1997. At 70 years old, he is now back in the pulpit of a small church that just disaffiliated from the UMC. We need more pastors and believers with a Biblical world view! Pray!
If we are suppose to unhitch then why does Jesus say “““Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.” Matthew 5:17… then continue reading through verse 20
Unfortunately, publishers only care about the bottom line which is the dollar. His books sell so that is what the publisher cares about. I am in complete agreement. We have to keep speaking truth. We are in the last days.....for real, for real last days. Apostasy is all around us. Keep up the great work guys!! 👏🏼👏🏼✝️😊
Thanks as usual guys. Great exhortations that I hope are heeded by all who have been influenced by Andy Stanley. Back in the "7:20" days at NP, my friend, Ric, and I started to realize the path Stanley was headed down--lack of accountability, pop psychology instead of expositional preaching, and patronizing to anyone who disagreed with him. This was the early 2000's. It's been so hard to convince friends and believers to stop listening to him. So, I appreciate the level of outreach and influence you guys have. Maybe now some will stop defending him and turn back to the Word.
@@gilbertocolon2079 this text you’re referring to was later added to the Bible by scribes based on a majority consensus from those in the study of New Testament textual criticism. But that is not to say that isn’t a good representation of who God is and what He would do in a situation such as described in that text. With that said, there are bibles today that don’t mention homosexuality as an explicit over-encompassing sexual immorality.
Biblically speaking, technically if a man divorces his wife without cause he is still committing adultery if he gets into a relationship even after an official divorce. Obviously being in a same sex relationship is sin, but even Stanley's understanding of divorce and adultery is pretty skewed. I guess considering the relationship his parents had, and his dad continuing in ministry even when he probably should have stepped away at least for a time, it's not that surprising that he's confused on these things.
So glad that you put this out there so quickly. It’s sad when anyone falls away, but more so when they’re leading others. Prayers that he will be convicted and come to repentance. Appreciate your thorough response to this situation.
I watched an Andy Stanley sermon a few months ago, without knowing who he was. I LOVED IT. It really tickled my ears. Later, I was thinking about the topic and realized it was more like a life coach seminar. Where was the talk about Jesus and the Word? He is lost. I'm so sad that so many people are taken in by this man.
Thankyou for this incredible message….. it is so refreshing to hear truth, exposing the false teacher but without the spirit of criticism behind it. I feel we need to pray for this man to come to the true knowledge and to repentance…Charles Stanley his dad must be heart broken. There was conviction in this message because of the humility it was brought in. 😇🙏
I call the age we're in THE AGE OF THE VEIL...Believers of the lies and haters of truth who have infiltrated the sanctuary...GOD STILL DESPISES WHAT HE HAS DESPISED...THANK YOU GUYS AND PRAYERS FOR ABSOLUTE DIVINE FAVOR...GOD BLESS
I also read Stanley's book "Irresistible" and was mainly shocked at how obvious it was that he read the OT through a lens of: "God is an angry judge in the OT, but he shows his better side in the NT". He somehow misses God's Father heart in the OT and seemingly chalks up all legalism to being the fault of the LAW, not the human heart. Then he uses a few of Paul's writings (and a few extreme stories of other individuals who don't understand the OT) to show just how "damaging" the law is and why we should disengage from it, while simultaneously ignoring Paul's advice in 1 Timothy 1 regarding the uses of the Law. I was left wondering...who hurt you Andy Stanley? Not, "Oh right, we should totally erase the Holy Law from our Bibles".. He is a gifted speaker who has said some amazingly insightful things about leadership...I'm so sad that it seems that he views the Law through such a wounded sense and therefore, can't see the Law for what it really is (Good/Holy) and why we still need it to point us to Jesus.
Gentlemen, thank you so much for this outstandingly intelligent biblical refutation of Andy Stanley. Thank you for fulfilling your pastoral calling to warn the sheep of a prowling wolf. Thank you for overcoming whatever you might have had to in order to be so bold with the truth. Thanks to Mike Winger for posting a reference to this video. I thank God for all of you.
Holy smokes. This is such a powerful and well put together video; thank you so much for communicating truth with such love, and for helping others discern in these times.
Thank you brothers for speaking truth in this darkness. Psalm 12 gives us hope and clarity about this topic: Psalms 12:6-8 And the words of the Lord are flawless,like silver purified in a crucible, like gold refined seven times. You, Lord, will keep the needy safe and will protect us forever from the wicked, who freely strut about when what is vile is honored by the human race. Thank you men for reminding us of the truth of God’s word and His promise!
In reading Matthew Vines and Justin Lee, part of their argument is simply to create doubt! If anything sounds from the pit is this. "Did God really say?"
Miller’s first few comment deeply resonates with me. My first husband left me for a man 18 years ago. If I was better guided by my church I would have been more diligent in speaking God’s truth to the father of my children, insofar as calling out his sin against God, not me. To this day He believes he is a Christian because he said the sinner’s prayer even before we were married. Yet he lives unrepentant and is constantly looking to man for affirmation 😢
Andy Stanley asserts that the Christians formed the Bible, not the other way around. This is true, but not in the way, Andy asserts it. The church inherited the old testament Canaan based on what was common use in the Jewish community in any given area. This is why in Ethiopia, the book of Enoch, which was being used by Jews, became a part of the Ethiopian Christian Canon. The New Testament consists of the 4 gospel accounts, John’s apocalypse, and the rest is pastoral letters. The historical understanding is that the Holy Spirit guided the church in the regular use of these letters. We know for sure Paul and other Apostles wrote pastoral letters we no longer have. They probably had good stuff. But for reasons we do not know the Holy Spirit allowed those to fall to the wayside. So the cannon was formed through use within the church. Andy takes a whole other approach. The church made the New Testament, but the Church determines it’s ongoing authority. Therefore Paul has clobber passages because of society changing. And so he can lay aside certain scriptures because they don’t seem to work in the current context of the world. This of course has the Church following culture at large rather than making it. He can unhitch from whatever doctrine he thinks would damage his church business model. If the secular culture at large thought LGBTQ was horrible Andy would likely take a different side.
I love Charles Stanley. As a new Christian, his sermons have been so valuable. But look at his sons teachings. Kinda like Joel Osteen. They both are telling this worlds people what they want to hear. It’s sad.
It was the inevitable result of Catholicism and Protestantism unhitching themselves from the authority of the Law by teaching that it was supposedly a bunch of antiquated Jewish rules and traditions that Jesus supposedly. Any religion that unhitches itself from the moral imperatives and principles of the Law is bound to embrace all sorts of perversions.
Private sin should be dealt with and confronted privately, and public sin, publicly. Yall handled this rightly and graciously. I'm both shocked & saddened by this. Andy Stanley?? Many that do this have someone close that's homosexual. Whatever his reasons, we know this, it doesn't happen over night! There is that progression.....we see it in James 1. It begins with a thought. Good job dealing with this in a balanced way by the clear application of scripture. We cannot go into error without first getting our eyes off Jesus and turning and stepping away from SCRIPTURE! It just cannot happen. "Lord help us to stay the course". ✌️
Kinda feels like this video should be about five seconds long with them coming on and just saying, "nope!" I can't believe this is even a question being asked... the answer ought to be so obvious that the question doesn't even come up. Our world sucks.
Was about to say the same - shortest video in their history. I guess they are doing this for any newborns out there that might not have read the Bible for themselves yet and automatically trust ministers because 'they know more'.
Additionally, if we justify homosexuality saying someone is born that way then we can't have justice because we are not responsible for our actions. The pedophile isn't committing a crime!!!?? NO! It is a crime. Do we then say a thief is justified because he is born that way??? A thief is not justified and neither can a homosexual.
Hey Gents- I looked into Stanley’s preaching (or as he calls it ‘communication’ style) and he uses a format of ‘One point’ and a framework of Me-you-God-you-we (or something like that). Basically, he takes something he’s dealing with, assumes everyone else is dealing with it, checks the scripture for what it says, then asks what it says for you to do, then concludes with how we can all do it together…. That seems like a formula for ones own opinions to be paramount versus scripture
@@peterfox7663 I can see how at first glance, since scripture comes into play, that would be your first thought. I guess what it seems to me is that he's actually pre-conceiving his conclusion within the first two steps before going to scripture and then finding scripture and using improper exegesis to back up his planned point.
@@rrg0731 approaching the text to support a predetermined conclusion is very different than what you talk about in the first post (checking scripture for what it says, and asking what it says for you to do)
He didn’t always preach that way. I have 2 years worth of journals filled with notes from his sermons. I feel like God blessed me to let me sit under him.
I read Stanley’s book “Irresistible” a couple years ago and found it so chock full of wrong teaching and bad logic, all pulling one away from biblical faithfulness, that I am not surprised at all to hear him saying these things now.
Who knows what harm he is yet to cause.
Thank you for making this video. It’s not about finding flaws. It’s about rightly responding to dangerous and false teaching.
Mike can you do a review on Stanley's book "Irresistible"? Because my pastor uses that book as a guide to run a church.
Agreed. Not a surprise, especially after watching his conversation with Jeff Durbin in the Unbelievable Podcast about "unhitching".
Great to see you here, Mike. And thanks for flagging this talk. 🙏🙏
Pastor Mike, I'm a subscriber of yours and find it interesting the close circle of you tube creators.
Here's my thought, please critique.
I feel the Andy Stanley and those who are alike have fallen prey to "toxic empathy." I'm not sure if I've heard this term elsewhere or coined it myself, but toxic empathy is when empathy to the pain of others leads them or others away from truth and into sin. (Perhaps you can refine the definition)
I get it, Andy probably has a multitude of people with same sex attraction, and he cares for them so much that his empathy has convinced him to rationalize.
Yeah, Wingman. You would be humorous if you weren't as dangerous to the body as you fear other "teachers" (theologians, for what else is a teacher?) to be.
Stick to the basics. Read your C. S. Lewis for crying out loud. How many times have I listened to you slog through stuff he said better, more clearly, and certainly in fewer words.
All your commenters are yes men, or worse "women always learning." Go Mike! cheerleaders. There are others, whose stock is up, while poor Pentecost is in real bear territory, (Bye Bye Benny), such as brother Minor (major on them!), a truer Roundhead than you who at least gives lip service to "continuationism" like your mentor, like it or not he is, Chuck Line by Line Smith.
A God-please cannot be a man pleaser.
Teach Pauline doctrine, which was given to him by special revelation, and is not strictly speaking found anywhere in the Judaic text.
For example, how the law, connected to those "weak and beggarly elements" of the universe was "administered" (governed and promulgated) by angels!
Three witnesses attest, in good legal fashion:
1. Stephen, martyr number one
2. Paul, rabbi of the new covenant
3. The author of Hebrews, who knows some things:
a. Jesus is better than the "angels"
b. His covenant is better than the load no forefather could bear
c. That soul and spirit are different! and made separate by that thing you "Sola Scriptura" Pharisees talk about, but don't understand: "the word of God"
Many things you do well, and better than anyone else, which is why I stab you:
"Faithful are the wounds of a friend."
I was a lesbian and was still married to my ex when I walked into my church. I was struggling with being a Christian and being gay and wanted both things. Until one night in my room crying out to God about it and he convinced me of my sin, I cried and cried and begged for forgiveness and asked Him to change me. I am now not attracted to women. Saying this I know and have watched testimonies of people still having the attraction to the same sex but are celibate due to their love for Jesus. The same as if you lied before giving your life to Jesus you continue to give the sin to God and repent to walk out your salvation (if you are still lying) for example, we are not all changed of all the past at the moment of conversion. Transformation can take a long time and we aren't perfect till we are with the Lord!
Hope this makes sense 🙏🏼
So glad that you've decided that Jesus is worth surrendering your all for. He is so wonderful and so worth of our complete devotion. He will continue to strengthen you, as you keep on putting Him first.
What do you say to the person who has repented, surrendered to Jesus, even married the opposite sex and is still attracted to same sex. Do we condem and ostricise them?? Or do we show love and mercy and accept them as "who God made them to be". If the church can't show grace, we are no better than the Pharasees.
@wisedyes yeah that's what I was saying, sometimes the new man is still attracted to the same sex. They aren't in sin if they don't follow through with their temptation. Absolutely show them love and mercy and support them in every way.
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God never made them to be any more than He made us with any other sin. Homosexuality is from the fall.
@@gemmabramley3748 So it's ok to be same sex attracted. Just deny your feelings. Sounds like hell. How about do it in a comitted relationship??
"There is a massive difference between loving people and affirming sin. None of us is without sin. But we can't celebrate it." A..M..E..N.
Amen. Jesus said go and sin no more.
Were the... relationships... in Deuteronomy 21:11, and Exodus 21, also sinful, then?
And fully, consensual?
Amen
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I was at Michael Miller's conference in Cincinnati last weekend and please tell him that God is healing my hands and tinnitus issues. I wasn't even thinking about either of those things but our loving and merciful and caring Heavenly Father remembered my prayers! Hallelujah Don't stop believing or praying guys!
That is incredible!!! Thank you for letting me know! Please go let the pastors know what happened to you!
I was saved, listening to an Andy Stanley sermon when he was an associate pastor at first Baptist. He baptized me. My heart is breaking.
I hurt with you.
Romans 12:15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.
I am forever praising and believing Jesus is the Christ, and this is pleasing to God.
I was saved listening to him on the radio. He was such an amazingly good pastor. I was at church every time the door was open. It was an amazing 3 years as a new Christian. I pray that God will let me know how to pray for him and maybe call or email him. He is lost. I have been watching this from afar for 3 years. I moved 3 years after I got saved and have lived in another state. Lord, what does his wife think…his kids…his dad…
I'm so sorry. Seeing people we trust walk in false teaching is hard. Praying that God will comfort you
@@elijahmcgrath5918 I am tempted to call or email and explain my fears as a sister in the Lord and remind him how God used him in my life.
@@elijahmcgrath5918 was he even a Christian then? Or just Charles Stanley’s son?
As someone with a disability (multiple sclerosis), I reject the idea that I must be defined by it. I reject that I can do nothing about what it takes away from my life - or that I must just give in when my illness causes me to do things against the Word of God (sloth, anger, envy)… I could give in. I could give up. And the world would forgive me for it. Actually the world expects me to do just that. But I would know, in my heart, I COULD do more. I would know in my heart that I was falling short of what I could do with God. And God would know too. So even if homosexual inclination is a disability - giving in to it, letting it define you, acting on where it causes you to be inclined to fall short of the moral law - THAT is a choice. EVEN if choosing the alternative is harder that giving in - it’s still a choice to give in.
Preach
I’m praying for you today. Praying you have a good day today.
Right!
May we agree in prayer right now for your continued protection, improvement of symptoms and victory over the world (and "the weak and beggarly elements" thereof)? And also for your family, that all would be saved, filled with the Spirit, empowered to serve in peace with God and fellowship one with another.
May revelation, peace, mercy, healing, success in ministry and good fruits in the graces of the Spirit and the power of the Gospel abound to you and your loved ones now and for the future, according to this promise of the holy scripture:
"Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved, you and your house."
Well said! We ALL GIVE UP and sacrifice for Jesus. Every one of us.
Great content. I've had same-sex attraction challenges but follow the word of God rather than my own feelings. So good to hear the truth. I've recently left the Church of England as it appears they are heading to bless same sex relationships..
Keep pressing on brother. When you see Jesus, He will say “well done my good and faithful servant.”
That is awesome Martin! So refreshing in these times! You are a model of God’s power and intent! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼✝️
I knew there were Christians out there like you! Thanks for sharing your perspective. A person may not be able to control his attractions, but he can always choose to follow God. Not easy, but it’s what all believers are called to do. Praying that you find a church home that upholds the Word of God and welcomes you like family. 🙏🏽
Brother! Praying for continued strength!
Thanks 👍
God sets the standard for morality/righteousness, not the passions of our flesh which have zero eternal value
Thanks for this, you guys. Beautifully articulated.
Thanks Alisa!
Thank you!
Nice work, How about also calling out the vast amount of Heretical apostasy on TH-cam? I’d help with that, there’s too much, and its grievous.
Ready for this conversation. What Andy Stanley said definitely came as a dissapointment.
Ask God about it
Hey troy! Rowntree has been telling me that you have had some helpful critiques of our Shean bowlz video. You should shoot me an email Id love to connect. Josh@theRemnantRadio.com
This is rough, man. I hate discernment ministry stuff, but this has to be done. This can not go unchallenged.
People need discernment ministry because most don’t read God’s Word and they fall for false teachings.
Little penguins with guns. So cute. Someone has to do it.
Excellent content, guys! As a former "music contractor" for North Point Ministries, I've seen this coming for a LONG time. :( Happily, the Lord plucked my wife and me out of that (church growth) movement and that "church". We were introduced to the doctrines of grace, repented of our low view of God and Scripture and have never looked back. Pray for Andy and the thousands who are deceived by his false teaching.
I haven’t listened to the whole episode yet but I cant imagine what his dad Charles is thinking…he’s been a lifelong devout Christian and I just can’t imagine that he isn’t totally heartbroken over this. Praying for Andy’s repentance and salvation.
So so glad you guys had this conversation on this topic! I was very concerned when I heard what Stanley said, and we need now more than ever to cling to God's Word for WHAT IT SAYS, and not what we feel. Proud of you fellas
Growing up, getting told “no, don’t do that,” when it comes to sexuality didn’t work for me. Unfortunately, it wasn’t until very recently that I realized how good God’s order of marriage, marital priorities, and order of the household is. I think it was Michael Rowntree who explained marriage and sexuality differently than what I grew up with. Anyway, I recommend it for anyone. It wouldve saved a lot of stress, I could’ve used my time toward self-improvement or development, and other more noble and profitable things. I love God’s order of marriage and the household, I feel very belonged, loved, and protected as a wife.
Part of this problem is that among Christians there is a juvenile idea about sex generally. People think they are going to find a “savior” in a heterosexual partner, That God kind of “owes us” fulfillment of sexual desires we may have. This is something pathetically very very common among many Christians.
If you don’t want to teach children, don’t have children.
I can’t even count how many times I said AMEN watching this! Thank you for responding to Stanley so fearlessly and so lovingly and more than anything-so Biblically. It’s powerful. God bless y’all.
This is a grief! I'm from France this issue is raging! Here Lutheran , calvinists and Free evangelic church are celebrating LG "union" and they ordained "a L couple" as Pastors in Montpellier. After a synode the Belgium free evangelical churches issued a statement to break free from the decision that : the Unified reformed church (calvinists, lutherans and free evangelical churches) position to affirm LGBTQ etc. Was not sustainable. A minorité of pastors from Lutherans churches founded the " protestant and attestant movement " i.e: we're protestant against the Roman Catholic and attesting the truth of the scriptures and thus not affirming and some condemning. This has to stop! We caannot be a minority to attest that the holy scriptures are true! It's crazy! As a french when I heard the Marcionism in Andy's mouth and his discussion with Jeff Durbin and with Dr James White...I think we all sensed this was coming...It's such a chagrine...
Praying for you! We are all in a dire place. God bless you.
The video of AS advocating divorce of a heterosexual marriage to affirm the homosexual relationship is horrifying.
Absolutely heart breaking …. Gut wrenching. He baptized me in his dad’s church.
and why would you want a person to live in denial and unhappy relationship that would cause them misery why you want that person to live in hell with a person they dont love nor are attracted to
Thank you guys for standing firm on this issue and approaching it quickly. God bless your ministry.
“Andy Stanley doesn’t believe that the blood of Jesus was effective.”
Nail on the head.
2 Tim 4:3 states: For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. .... This is one of the signs of the end times. How very sad. Thank you for the clarity of this segment.
You compared homosexuality to theft! Forgets Andy Stanley compared them to DISABLED! This was sooooo good. Of someone tells me they were “born this way”, my response is “me too! I too was born with a sin nature…. Hence the need for all to repent and be born again, trusting Jesus to renew my mind” Thank y’all for doing this!
Ive always listened to Andy Stanleys father ..Charles Stanley ..A GODLY MAN ..A LAWFUL MAN . I KNOW HE MUST BE JUST AS GRIEVED AS WE ALL ARE ABOUT HIS SON Andy... pray for his soul. GOD BLESS AND THANK YOU GUYS.✝️🙏❤
Charles Stanley is such a good and Godly man, I really wonder how he feels about this error. 😔
@@TheWayWalker I imagine he is devastated. I loved being part of their church when I was a baby Christian.. such a great place to start. I had to move away due to family.
There are those in the church calling Charles Stanley a heretic. Sure glad we don't burn heretics at the stake anymore. ""If MY people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, pray and seek my face and turn from THEIR WICKED WAYS, then I will hear from heaven, and will heal their land."
Oh tell me about it. Charle Stanley’s work has added to my faith growth. God used this man to train my friend and I in our walk of faith. We are even planning to visit his church in September after a conference we are attending through G3. I was texting my friend today about this because I know Charles Stanley is probably broken to see his son on the headlines for things that are so heretical 🤦🏾♀️😞 this is so heartbreaking 💔
How does Charles Stanley feel about Andy Stanley?
“I felt like this was a huge battle, and if Andy had been in a huge battle … you'd have to crawl over me to get to him,” Charles Stanley, now 80, says.” I would have stood by him, no matter what. I didn't feel like he did that.” There's no father-son preaching duo quite like the Stanleys.
We must grip the truth with white knuckles and be willing to live and die for it.
What blesses me the most about this is that young men are speaking out. GOD BLESS THEM!
Thank you for standing on truth and exposing error!
“If you love truth you must hate falsehood”. I wish that was more of the heartbeat in the church.
Thank you for this. Please pray for the Church of England in the UK, who are debating whether same-sex marriages can be blessed in church. So worrying and concerning.
Really? Is that something happening right now?
@@tpw7250 Absolutely yes. Europe overall is falling into apostate Christianity. It’s so bad that some biblically sound American churches have sent missionaries over to preach to the increasingly secularized culture and help remaining believers create faithful churches.
This is a grief! I'm from France this issue is raging! Here Lutheran , calvinists and Free evangelic church are celebrating LG "union" and they ordained "a L couple" as Pastors in Montpellier. After a synode the Belgium free evangelical churches issued a statement to break free from the decision that : the Unified reformed church (calvinists, lutherans and free evangelical churches) position to affirm LGBTQ etc. Was not sustainable. A minorité of pastors from Lutherans churches founded the " protestant and attestant movement " i.e: we're protestant against the Roman Catholic and attesting the truth of the scriptures and thus not affirming and some condemning. This has to stop! We caannot be a minority to attest that the holy scriptures are true! It's crazy!
@@Window4503 see my comment above about what went on in France !
@ Pamela Womack you should you and the christians against, get involved in the synodal process. I believe the Church of England works that way! You should begin to create a lobbying group to have impact on the process + intercession
Great episode. I've just subscribed. Lets pray for Andy Stanley! I'm glad (near the end) you clarified regarding same sex attraction after becoming a Christian. Becoming a Christian does not take away temptation for most people. We go through a sanctification process, a working out of our salvation regarding any sin we struggle with. We have been given a new spirit, but our souls still need to be refined. This is why Paul talks about renewing our minds. Our minds have been corrupted and we repent (change our minds) as we grow spiritually.
Thanks guys. Tough conversation but vitally important subject. Our allegiance is first to Jesus and His holy word, the scriptures.
This whole topic puts fear in my heart. I’m a lover of truth and have a deep compassion for those who struggle to overcome sinful behaviours. Affirming homosexuality waters down the Truth. The truth being Jesus and His good news that sets us free! I believe the message and power of the gospel is the way to overcome sin. The struggle with homosexuality gives us insight to the power of sin in all our lives and how original sin has been past down. When we view sin as just a choice to stop a bad behaviour we can miss the gospel. As Paul said, all I want to know is Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Justification starts the change and sanctification Continues the process till the day of Jesus Christ. Please Don’t rob the broken of the hope we have in Christ. 😢Minister the gospel in power and love!
Can't begin to imagine what his father, Charles Stanley, feels. Moreover, how it hurts the heart of Father God, Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit.
My heart breaks for Charles too. 💔
I have had 4 (at one time very close) friends now who have walked away from their marriages for a same sex relationship. Friends who were in my small group, friends I fellowshipped and ministered with at one time. It’s very heartbreaking to watch this becoming more and more accepted.
May I ask if they still believe they are under grace?
Do they believed they are already saved because of the Cross?
I hope you can give a fair answer as I have a great interest in the meaning of grace.
@@simonskinner1450 well, none of them claim to be believers now. But, from what I was able to tell, none chose this path believing they were under grace so it was ok. The progression I witnessed is that they veer off into progressive Christian teachings leading them to believe that homosexuality isn’t sinful at all, eventuality choosing that lifestyle telling themselves God is cool with it, but yeah - none of them claim any kind of Christian faith at this point.
@@annadillard7145 Believing in God is not cool, but they are 'gaslighted' into Evoatheism, and if they did believe they are told they are spread saved. They are not.
I do have a Ytube video series called 'Myths in so-called Christianity' and I expose false beliefs from false teaching.
It is however sad if they were good people apart from their sins you nentioned, but they will be judged.
@@annadillard7145 Thanks for sharing of your heart-wrenching stories of your friends. These now countless anecdotes lead me to believe that there is a powerful demonic spirit at work in convincing people to pursue “unnatural” relationships at rates unseen historically since the falling of the Greek and Roman empires, where paganism inspired all manner of sexual sin. It is a renewal of Sodom and Gomorrah.
It is so brutal to witness the cultural shaping of my nieces and nephews in the combo of full embrace of everything LGTBQ+ and the parallel rejection of everything Christian and biblical. It seems that holding to both (the bible and sexual perversion) ends of being a transitory passing through station as LGBTQ+ convictions eventually land people into hardened atheism.
Progressive affirming Churches appear to be built on hillsides of slippery slopes as temporary camping out locations - aiding the eventual fall down the cliff.
It is sick and clearly reprobate. The book of Romans is VERY clear on this. We can't sugar coat it or explain it away. It isn't definition a "falling away" and perverse behavior.
There is something very interesting (and frightening) to be learned here, related to the topic of group dynamics. And that is this: The larger the group, and the higher up you are in it, the less likely you are to have people confront you when you go off the rails. This sort of happens in the secular realm as much as it does in Christendom. Think of major figures who have fallen recently, as well as others who won't fall in this life because people are too terrified to ever call them on their junk. For instance, can you imagine people calling out the pope for straying from the truth? (No. He's not infallible.)
A small group doesn't typically let its leaders go off the deep end without saying something. But in a large group, the members figure either that 1) someone else will say something, or 2) maybe what's going on isn't really all that bad. I'm not necessarily putting down mega churches. But I do think that this is possibly their greatest weakness. The issue has to become a massive scandal before people finally call the leader out on their junk.
Thank you for taking a firm stand on this subject and calling out Mr. Stanley as the false teacher he is. We can't shy away from such warnings.
(2Peter 3:2) forbids unhitching the old testament from the new. We are to be mindful of the words spoken before by the holy prophets and the apostles
This Biblical correction is love. Love for Andy and love for those who hear him. Thank you brothers!
Andy is literally trying to remove the Old Testament implying that it is a a barrier to acceptance of Homosexuality. How can he erase the Genealogy of Jesus Christ? It’s like trying to erase the history of the world before 1960. How can anyone take Andy Stanley seriously, unless they are looking for a way to skirt their Sin? If you ask me, it’s all about church attendance. I see it everywhere. Churches trying to attract young people by being inclusive and “affirming”. Anything goes to get people through that door and in the pews.
Thank you for doing this video! False teachers need to be called out.
Thank you for standing for truth. Very troubled that so many are drinking the cultural punch.
Yes and AMEN! Well stated gentlemen. I am appalled at the LGBTQ statements I see in the general media/entertainment of today.
Amen bro
I was brought up in a “Christian“ group when I first came to Christ that definitely was influenced by Stanley. Women were the leaders, and the pastors wife was the head of the group, and she would say “we don’t need the old testament and we need to unhitch it.” Later on, she would say, “we don’t need Paul’s words. We only need Jesus words” when I started bringing up the issue of church leader ship, and what the Bible plainly says about it. These progressive Christians cut the Bible down as much as they can to fit their personal egos and agendas and to maintain social standing. of course I was labeled a misogynist and got ostracized, but I saw the truth that they were Christians who despised God‘s truth, and were willing to compromise whatever they needed to to have influence in their social circles.
This is so sad….and very scary. God please protect your sheep from those who seek to mislead and destroy them.
Thank you so much, I used to listen to Dr. Stanley. Some time I ran across his son and decided to check him out. I was shocked when he said the OT was an ancient book that he didn't know if it was true, "I don't know if it's right, I wasn't there,". He also questioned Christ't belief in the bible. He is not even in my ballpark.
I really appreciated you guys parsing out the difference between the truth category with Stanley’s heresies and the pastoral element of loving our SSA brothers.
I would say that the cushioning language spoken of a few times IS important from a missiological perspective, since we are not dealing with a culture that sees theft and drug addiction in the same category as the LGBT issue. The connotation of speaking truth on sexual ethics immediately goes into the homophobic realm for those who don’t have that understanding in their minds. Prefacing our speech with love for these people can be a tactful tool in gaining an ear to listen, instead of being written off right away.
Great point! Truth with love (Ephesians 4:15) 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 talks of The apostle Paul approaching people differently to effectively communicate the gospel. He did this without compromising the truth, but was sensitive to the environment.
Subscribed. Kinda odd, I saw you pop up on the AGTV Spirit and Fire trailer and then Mike Winger posted the link to here. Awesome channel. Will be praying for y’all
Remnant radio - I know it’s hard and I know it breaks your hearts but you will stand before God and HE will commend you for exposing this. I commend you
The airbags comment resonated with me. I appreciate the directness. BTW here because Mike Winger's tweet.
Yes - subtle but so commonly the case with whimpering heretics
Mike "Joel Osteen preaches the full Gospel and I dare you to prove otherwise" Winger
Can I just say that I really appreciate your soberness and respect when you are doing this video. It is so easy to get full of sarcasm and Snark when we discuss especially the homosexual community. And I see it sadly on a lot of “discernment” TH-cam ministries. just because Elijah mocked the prophets of Baal doesn’t mean that we can sit there and mocked these people. The New Testament talks clearly about respectfully addressing people and our speech being seasoned with salt.
Yes, many so-called discernment and polemical ministries have justified nastiness and seem to exist primarily to tear down, rather than to edify.
Thank you for this clarification. Bless you guys for standing firm with the Lord.
Thank you so much for standing firm on the words of Christ! We desperately need so much more of this from true Christians. I pray for Andy Stanley to repent of his ways.
You guys earned another follower. By the way I love and fully endorse Mike Winger 😁
As a Bible teacher myself I always think of James 3:1. This is a sobering warning. “My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.”
James 3:1 NKJV
This is also part of the reason the UMC is splitting. My husband was a UMC pastor until leaving in 1997. At 70 years old, he is now back in the pulpit of a small church that just disaffiliated from the UMC. We need more pastors and believers with a Biblical world view! Pray!
@@cameronimajor4810 United Methodist Church
Keep up the good work, continue to teach sound doctrine my brothers. Soon He who comes will come.
“We make our passions part of our core identity” instead of dying to self. BOOM 💥
I am thankful to God for your clarity and biblical faithfulness in this video. It’s much needed in our day. Thanks brothers.
If we are suppose to unhitch then why does Jesus say “““Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.”
Matthew 5:17… then continue reading through verse 20
Unfortunately, publishers only care about the bottom line which is the dollar. His books sell so that is what the publisher cares about. I am in complete agreement. We have to keep speaking truth. We are in the last days.....for real, for real last days. Apostasy is all around us. Keep up the great work guys!! 👏🏼👏🏼✝️😊
Thanks as usual guys. Great exhortations that I hope are heeded by all who have been influenced by Andy Stanley. Back in the "7:20" days at NP, my friend, Ric, and I started to realize the path Stanley was headed down--lack of accountability, pop psychology instead of expositional preaching, and patronizing to anyone who disagreed with him. This was the early 2000's. It's been so hard to convince friends and believers to stop listening to him. So, I appreciate the level of outreach and influence you guys have. Maybe now some will stop defending him and turn back to the Word.
Excellent exposition guys!👍🏼 based on Andy Stanley’s logic, you’d have to apply this to adulterers, fornicators, pedaphiles, etc…😢
You do. And they are saved by the blood too. It is profoundly offensive, this cross of Christ.
@@duncescotus2342 they are saved by the blood, amen…however, like Jesus told the adulteress woman, “I don’t condemn you either, go and sin no more”…
@@gilbertocolon2079 Yeah, do that, bro.
@@gilbertocolon2079 this text you’re referring to was later added to the Bible by scribes based on a majority consensus from those in the study of New Testament textual criticism.
But that is not to say that isn’t a good representation of who God is and what He would do in a situation such as described in that text.
With that said, there are bibles today that don’t mention homosexuality as an explicit over-encompassing sexual immorality.
Biblically speaking, technically if a man divorces his wife without cause he is still committing adultery if he gets into a relationship even after an official divorce. Obviously being in a same sex relationship is sin, but even Stanley's understanding of divorce and adultery is pretty skewed. I guess considering the relationship his parents had, and his dad continuing in ministry even when he probably should have stepped away at least for a time, it's not that surprising that he's confused on these things.
Greetings from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
Excellent episode and well handled. Keep up the good work fellas.
Andrew.
So glad that you put this out there so quickly. It’s sad when anyone falls away, but more so when they’re leading others. Prayers that he will be convicted and come to repentance. Appreciate your thorough response to this situation.
I watched an Andy Stanley sermon a few months ago, without knowing who he was. I LOVED IT. It really tickled my ears. Later, I was thinking about the topic and realized it was more like a life coach seminar. Where was the talk about Jesus and the Word? He is lost. I'm so sad that so many people are taken in by this man.
You are really prideful enough to decide the eternity of his soul?
Thankyou for this incredible message….. it is so refreshing to hear truth, exposing the false teacher but without the spirit of criticism behind it. I feel we need to pray for this man to come to the true knowledge and to repentance…Charles Stanley his dad must be heart broken. There was conviction in this message because of the humility it was brought in. 😇🙏
That’s for making this content and standing firm. God bless you guys!
What a GREAT TESTIMONY hearing & seeing bright young men like yourselves Proudly & Bolding speaking from God's Holy Bible. BLESS YA'll!!!!!!!
I call the age we're in THE AGE OF THE VEIL...Believers of the lies and haters of truth who have infiltrated the sanctuary...GOD STILL DESPISES WHAT HE HAS DESPISED...THANK YOU GUYS AND PRAYERS FOR ABSOLUTE DIVINE FAVOR...GOD BLESS
Good job, brothers for standing on the firm foundation of Scripture and not deviating to comfort the flesh. So refreshing.
Powerful points made about the struggle between old/new self.
I also read Stanley's book "Irresistible" and was mainly shocked at how obvious it was that he read the OT through a lens of: "God is an angry judge in the OT, but he shows his better side in the NT". He somehow misses God's Father heart in the OT and seemingly chalks up all legalism to being the fault of the LAW, not the human heart.
Then he uses a few of Paul's writings (and a few extreme stories of other individuals who don't understand the OT) to show just how "damaging" the law is and why we should disengage from it, while simultaneously ignoring Paul's advice in 1 Timothy 1 regarding the uses of the Law.
I was left wondering...who hurt you Andy Stanley? Not, "Oh right, we should totally erase the Holy Law from our Bibles"..
He is a gifted speaker who has said some amazingly insightful things about leadership...I'm so sad that it seems that he views the Law through such a wounded sense and therefore, can't see the Law for what it really is (Good/Holy) and why we still need it to point us to Jesus.
I have enjoyed hearing Michael R. get on his soapbox and really unload in a pastoral way on this issue. Good job, Michael.
Gentlemen, thank you so much for this outstandingly intelligent biblical refutation of Andy Stanley. Thank you for fulfilling your pastoral calling to warn the sheep of a prowling wolf. Thank you for overcoming whatever you might have had to in order to be so bold with the truth. Thanks to Mike Winger for posting a reference to this video. I thank God for all of you.
Holy smokes. This is such a powerful and well put together video; thank you so much for communicating truth with such love, and for helping others discern in these times.
In total agreement with you my brother,Andy Stanley is dangerous,confusing his flock and leading many astray.
Very good. I am appalled. I never would have thought the son of Charles Stanley would do this.
Thank you brothers for speaking truth in this darkness. Psalm 12 gives us hope and clarity about this topic: Psalms 12:6-8 And the words of the Lord are flawless,like silver purified in a crucible, like gold refined seven times.
You, Lord, will keep the needy safe and will protect us forever from the wicked, who freely strut about when what is vile is honored by the human race.
Thank you men for reminding us of the truth of God’s word and His promise!
Truth is hate to those who hate truth. yay Jesus. *_"If the world hates you, understand that it hated Me first." -John 15:18_*
In reading Matthew Vines and Justin Lee, part of their argument is simply to create doubt! If anything sounds from the pit is this. "Did God really say?"
No one believed me about Andy Stanley until RR! Thanks for all you do. God is on his throne and his Word endures forever.
👊🏻 Well done mate
Miller’s first few comment deeply resonates with me. My first husband left me for a man 18 years ago. If I was better guided by my church I would have been more diligent in speaking God’s truth to the father of my children, insofar as calling out his sin against God, not me. To this day He believes he is a Christian because he said the sinner’s prayer even before we were married. Yet he lives unrepentant and is constantly looking to man for affirmation 😢
Great video guys. I think a lot of folks will really benefit from this video.
Thank you for standing strong on Truth. You are a blessing to the body of Christ!
Josh was on fire from 35:25-36:50!
The ' TRUTH of Scriptures ' is all important to me.
My heart is broken for my friend Andy😔
I am so grieved too. He was the first pastor I had as a new Christian - what can we do?
And my heart is broken for my friend Charles. 💔
Andy Stanley asserts that the Christians formed the Bible, not the other way around. This is true, but not in the way, Andy asserts it. The church inherited the old testament Canaan based on what was common use in the Jewish community in any given area. This is why in Ethiopia, the book of Enoch, which was being used by Jews, became a part of the Ethiopian Christian Canon. The New Testament consists of the 4 gospel accounts, John’s apocalypse, and the rest is pastoral letters.
The historical understanding is that the Holy Spirit guided the church in the regular use of these letters. We know for sure Paul and other Apostles wrote pastoral letters we no longer have. They probably had good stuff. But for reasons we do not know the Holy Spirit allowed those to fall to the wayside.
So the cannon was formed through use within the church.
Andy takes a whole other approach. The church made the New Testament, but the Church determines it’s ongoing authority. Therefore Paul has clobber passages because of society changing. And so he can lay aside certain scriptures because they don’t seem to work in the current context of the world. This of course has the Church following culture at large rather than making it.
He can unhitch from whatever doctrine he thinks would damage his church business model. If the secular culture at large thought LGBTQ was horrible Andy would likely take a different side.
I love Charles Stanley. As a new Christian, his sermons have been so valuable. But look at his sons teachings. Kinda like Joel Osteen. They both are telling this worlds people what they want to hear. It’s sad.
Yes. I agree. I just love Charles. He’s 90 now. I imagine his heart his breaking. 💔
Really appreciate y’all’s loving but firm stand for the truth of God’s word. It’s nice to see. Great episode.
Miller, you nailed it, Bro. The “Evangelical church” is embracing Universalism or, the new terminology, Inclusionism.
It was the inevitable result of Catholicism and Protestantism unhitching themselves from the authority of the Law by teaching that it was supposedly a bunch of antiquated Jewish rules and traditions that Jesus supposedly. Any religion that unhitches itself from the moral imperatives and principles of the Law is bound to embrace all sorts of perversions.
@The Remnant Radio Thank you for covering this.
Who was still taking this guy seriously after his unhitching from OT statements?
Private sin should be dealt with and confronted privately, and public sin, publicly. Yall handled this rightly and graciously.
I'm both shocked & saddened by this. Andy Stanley?? Many that do this have someone close that's homosexual. Whatever his reasons, we know this, it doesn't happen over night! There is that progression.....we see it in James 1. It begins with a thought.
Good job dealing with this in a balanced way by the clear application of scripture.
We cannot go into error without first getting our eyes off Jesus and turning and stepping away from SCRIPTURE! It just cannot happen. "Lord help us to stay the course". ✌️
I really appreciate your ministry. Very helpful to the Body of Christ!
Great video. Thanks for standing up for Jesus and truth.
Kinda feels like this video should be about five seconds long with them coming on and just saying, "nope!"
I can't believe this is even a question being asked... the answer ought to be so obvious that the question doesn't even come up. Our world sucks.
Was about to say the same - shortest video in their history. I guess they are doing this for any newborns out there that might not have read the Bible for themselves yet and automatically trust ministers because 'they know more'.
I don't think they are genuinely curious but are just using it as a title and a jumping off point to discuss his views
Yep!!
Additionally, if we justify homosexuality saying someone is born that way then we can't have justice because we are not responsible for our actions. The pedophile isn't committing a crime!!!?? NO! It is a crime. Do we then say a thief is justified because he is born that way??? A thief is not justified and neither can a homosexual.
@@anamericanfriend2367 Exactly and even if they were born that way, they aren’t born again that way!!
So glad you three courageously stand up for Christ and encourage us to.
Beyond unhitching the Old Testament and sexual morality, Andy Stanley is ultimately unhitching God and replacing God with Andy Stanley.
Why does it matter how Andy "got there"? We can all have complicated life of passions, but as you say, we dont have to act on them.
Good jobs boys! 🔥
Truth in love as always
God BLESS YOU TRUTH TELLERS 🙏 🙌🏽 ☝️🫶👏👏👏🌬💨🔥🔥🔥
Hey Gents- I looked into Stanley’s preaching (or as he calls it ‘communication’ style) and he uses a format of ‘One point’ and a framework of Me-you-God-you-we (or something like that). Basically, he takes something he’s dealing with, assumes everyone else is dealing with it, checks the scripture for what it says, then asks what it says for you to do, then concludes with how we can all do it together….
That seems like a formula for ones own opinions to be paramount versus scripture
Sounds the opposite- using scripture to guide what one does
@@peterfox7663 I can see how at first glance, since scripture comes into play, that would be your first thought. I guess what it seems to me is that he's actually pre-conceiving his conclusion within the first two steps before going to scripture and then finding scripture and using improper exegesis to back up his planned point.
@@rrg0731 approaching the text to support a predetermined conclusion is very different than what you talk about in the first post (checking scripture for what it says, and asking what it says for you to do)
@@peterfox7663 Yeah I didn't articulate what I meant very well.
He didn’t always preach that way. I have 2 years worth of journals filled with notes from his sermons. I feel like God blessed me to let me sit under him.