Europe (or world's?) top train journey: Belgrade to Bar trip review
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The train journey from Belgrade, the Serbian capital to Bar, on the Adriatic cost in Montenegro is a genuine engineering feat. It's also regularly featured in various travel articles as one of Europe's (or the world's) most spectacular train rides. Was I happy to follow their advice and head to Belgrade? 100%
Two passengers travelling together can get a reduced price for the fare Belgrade to Bar.
Price Belgrade to Bar: 21 euros
Seat reservation: 3 euros (The reservation system of SRBIJA VOZ (SERBIAN RAILWAYS) is not enabled to permit the choice of the train's side. The choice is limited to the categories "window", "middle" and "corridor")
Night train Locern - sleeping berth from 15 eur to 45 euros (single)
Useful links:
Serbian railways
serbianrailways.com/
Serbian passenger train company
www.srbvoz.rs/en/
Montenegro railways
www.zcg-prevoz.me/
To book
Mr Popovic / Wasteels
Email: wasteels@eunet.rs
Phone: +381 11 265 8868
(great service)
Check-in and boarding: *****
Seat comfort: ****
Cabin cleanliness: *****
Staff: ****
Food and drinks: n/a
Entertainment: n/a
Value for money: *****
Recommend: yes
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As travel is still limited by the COVID-19 pandemic, it's good to remember this amazing trip across the Balkans. I really enjoyed Belgrade and would like to discover more of Serbia and its neighbours. Thanks for watching. Your comments or good tips for travel are always welcome
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First ,apologise for my english.I am going to try explain some things in this video as person who use this train route so many times.
Tasmajdan station (trip begining point) is temporary solution.One of the oldest station but used only for maneuver train operations.Main station was near center of Belgrade.Old and beautiful building from 19 century.Now transformed to museum.New and modern station,Prokop, is not finished yet 100 % , still not completed platform related to automobile wagons.So ,when they do that,starting point will be Prokop station.
Wagons are almost empty now,but i remember when i counted 23 wagons once (summer,about 15 years ago).Usually 10-15 wagons rest of the year.Average 85 % capacity used.What happened?Well almost every family have a car now,roads are in much better condition,much faster to travel with car and bus than using (in bad shape) railways .
Locomotives used in this area are usually Made in Romania (Electroputere,Craiova Romania).Also there was a production in Croatia and in Serbia.But usually Yugoslavian factories used for repair (remont).Originaly it is Sweden ASEA locomotive.Payed for licence and produced for comunism market :)
All smal stations mentioned in this video are situated in mountain Zlatibor area.Only local lines trains stop there.Irellevant for your video . Absolutelly no need for internet search :)
One information about that train bridge in Small River,that was a highest railways bridge in the world to the 2001.Still highest in Europe.23rd in the world now (22 are in China,madness).Another bridge,Moracica, in this video is part of Belgrade-Bar highway.Yes,it is finished and ready for use.
Landscapes in Serbia are beautiful,really green,but in Montenegro they are on another level.Really extraordinary.Such a shame for railways condition in Serbia and Montenegro.With faster trains we could use this route, Belgrade-Bar, as atraction for tourists.But nobody want (like)to spend 10-11 hours in train for 500 km distance
Thanks for video.
Hi, your English is very good (and so much better than my Serbian ;-).
Wouldn't be ironic to put a car on a train - and do the journey slower than by car. I noticed you call Topcider Tasmajdan - is it an alternative name? Glad to hear it's temporary.
I reckon my train was 40 to 50% full. I can appreciate that with more cars, people prefer the flexibility offered. Wow up to 23 carriages! That's impressive.
Yes I read that the class 461 - if am correct - were made in Romania. I went there last year so I'll have to check the footage from my trip!
Thank you so much for all the interesting info. The bridges are certainly very impressive.
Do you know if/when the speed could be increased? I read that investment was made in Serbia to improve the line. A restaurant carriage would be a great addition for tourists. I love my time in Sertbia and Montenegro and would love to visit again. Are there any other train lines you would recommend?
Thank you very much for watching and sharing your valuable insights
@@Speedbird1FLY Our roads still not safe,highway Belgrade-Bar at this moment goes to the city of Cacak ,about 150 km highway distance from Belgrade).From Podgorica to Matesevo about 50 km but still not opened(probbably next year).We need that highway because there are two extremely danger parts of road Belgrade-Bar. Canyon Moraca (Montenegro,railway is scary but road is horror,type in TH-cam search "kanjon Moraca put") where almost 1200 people died in crash accidents since road opened and Ibarska magistrala in Serbia, surelly more than 10 000 people died.Two "roads of the death''.You realise why people still use train carriages for car.They goes on vacation with family and really dont want to risk at all.Only use cars on local Montenegro roads.
Sorry for for Tasmaidan (also in Belgrade).No relation,just lapsus. :) Of course i mean on Topcider.They said it is temporary start point station.But how long, i really dont know.
You probbably noticed that distance Bijelo Polje- Kolasin is in very good condition?Lazarevac-Valjevo also?That parts are renewed.Train goes with 80 km/h without problem.(Probbably can more than 120 km/h but there is a safety regulations and 80 km/h is max allowed speed).At this moment they working on Podorica-Kolasin bad parts and i belive next year train line reconstruction in Motenegro ,from Bijelo Polje to Bar, will be finished.But max speed still be 80 km/h.Relief configuration and old trains limitatating speed.In Serbia that goes much slower.You surelly noticed that distance Uzice-Priboj is really nightmare.Mountain Zlatibor landscapes are really beautiful but shape of the line is horrible.In many places max speed is 30 km/h.For 70 km almost 2 hours.And reconstruction of that part even not started.When?Probbably next year.How long?Probbably 10 years :))))
Restoran carriages was always part of train line Bar-Belgrade-Bar.(except local trains=every station stop).But there is no more enough commuters to be financially viable so they are connected to the train composition only durring summer months (for tourism needs) and durring winter hollidays (15 Dec-15 Jan).But night train (by schedule),i think there is restoran carriage durring the all 12 months.I didnt use night train long time ago so i am not sure about that but i bellive that carriage still not cancelled...
For people who really like trains i can recommend old ,now touristic atraction "Sargan 8 (Sarganska osmica),vintage train with steam locomotive, line.Placed near Mokra Gora (road Uzice-Visegrad).Mokra Gora-Visegrad-Mokra Gora train line for tourists.All that area is oriented to tourism.On Mokra Gora there is also famous director Emir Kusturica Wooden City,in Visegrad is Nobel awarded Ivo Andric memorial tourism complex.Also i can recommend you to visit mountain Tara nature resort,mountains Zlatibor and Zlatar ,lake Uvac near Nova Varos especially.All this is about in 70 km perimeter (hope its good term).You can search all this in TH-cam or Google and decide what to visit.I recomend all this.Serbia is not expensive so not a problem to see all this for about 5 days...You probbably allready visit Montenegro coast line?Also recomendation to visit top of the Serbia.Cities like Subotica,Sombor,Novi Sad,Sremski Karlovci, are really nice with great architecture.Tourist from all of the world really like visits to this this cities...
wow it's an impressive drive indeed. I can understand why travellers may prefer a safer (albeit slower) option - and it will take some time before the speed of trains improve :-)
I am glad you also pick up the Sargan 8. I read about it and Uzice would be indeed a good stop over to enjoy more of this region. I didn t have the chance to visit much of Montenegro. Certainly something I want to do more. The situation at the moment with COVID-19 makes planning for future trips a difficult balancing act. I hope things will get back to normal soon -this region has so much to offer and I just wish for people to be safer. Thank you so much for all your valuable comments and tips
Sorry but i totally disagree with you ..first road are now NOT in better shape..many are in worster shape(there is now highway to Cacak but that is just tiny part off the trip) ..then also everyone had a car..i did not know any family that did not have a car ..off course now cars have much more HP . ..second my family traveled in 80s with train few times a year that route but why we traveled with a train and not a car..we used night train that had a auto train..car would be park on the train ,we would have night sleeping cabin on train (my father ,mother ,my sister and me) and in the morning we would in Bar ,sit in the car and then go to Budva or Croatian coast via Jadranska magistrala .
Yes we could travel only with a car but this was safer and much easier and my father would be fresh in the morning to drive anywhere we go ...but when we return home we would then go directly with a car
I took this train in 1996 and still looks the same, TGD, that refers to Titograd aka Podgorica!
Glad you had the chance to enjoy it. Was it as slow then? I love how some airport codes reflect the history of places
This is one trip I would like to make, wonderful scenery and comfortable seats, it's a pity there is no buffet on the train, thanks for uploading this journey
I would really recommend it. Despite some rain after Kolasin, the scenery was stunning. The buffet would be a great addition, I would happily drink and eat all the way to Bar! Hope you'll get to experience it before long
Speedbird1 FLY If I’m not mistaken there use to be , last time I got on that train was 1986 , lots of things have changed sense...
@@Speedbird1FLY does this train operate all year round in 2024?
I love Beograd and Topcider station. :) Greetings from Poland!!!
Thanks Tomo
perhaps an exotic delicacy for train enthusiasts, but certainly not a convenient mean of transport
Or any enthusiasts for stunning sceneries. Admittedly it's a slow ride, it didn't feel long thanks to the great views.
@@Speedbird1FLY slow, bumpy and dirty and uncomfortable. and the people... ugh
That was realy nice! I enjoed TV-trip)
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Awesome video my friend
Thank you. So nice to read such great feedback
Can't wait to get there and do this train ride Bar to Kolasin and back in October!
Thankyou!!!
Enjoy your ride. Would be great to hear about your experience. Safe travels
In Montenegro looks more like plane landing then being on the train 😂
Yes surfing the mountains. Such a great memory. Thanks for watching
Brilliant video 👏👏👏👏
Thanks
@@Speedbird1FLY Hi I plan on taking this train in on June 6th 2024. Does it still depart from Topcider Station and should I buy my ticket from the station the day before in your opinion?
Respect for this video.I am travel to Montenegro with airplane and I like travel train.Thank you for support train Bar-Beograd
Very Nice video!
Thanks for watching and sharing your nice feedback
Flying to Serbia next week and then planning to take this train down to the beach! As a train nerd, I am very excited.
And you should avoid the heat wave 🌊 hope you'll enjoy the ride as much as I did. I didn't spend much time on the coast. It does look stunning
Does the train has a cooling system?
Is driving through daytime really bad ?
@@YourCrazyGreed it was more a ventilation system than a cooling one... Well it didn't feel like cold air. When I went it was warm but not unbearable so okay. I wonder if the older carriages with windows that can be open are still in use. Ideal to take pictures
Is there any chance to have restaurant carriage on this particular route? We think to do this on September. Looks stunning 😍
@@jkpakosz6698 Just got of the trip with 2nd class. Take(reserve) the first class or sleeping vagon!
There is no restaurant no bar just a guy that goes a few times to offer cold water, beer or juice for 2 euros each. xD
The train barely has water in toilets.
It's a train that Tito built in '76 so don't expect much and expect a trip longer than 12 h (but it depends of the circumstances ofc). :D
It's really cheap so, again, don't expect much. :)
Back in 1998. I had travelled that route for 12 whole hours... Some 550 kilometers. The train waited for something on every intersection we found. I lose my voice due to playing my guitar and singing almost 2/3 of the way, and remember that I get my voice back few days after, bit it was nice...
You were the on-board entertainment! Wow 12 hours ... Your musical skills must have been welcomed by fellow travellers. No Spotify then!
@@Speedbird1FLY I remember that the train has some kind of a bar wagon and other passengers have buying me a bear after bear... The longest play I ever had 💪
i took other train in december of 2018. It was belgrade podgorica and was a bit more "classy", since it had 6 seat cabin. really enjoyed the ride too and it is almost the same route.
What a great memory! Thanks for sharing and I wish I also had the chance to enjoy the cabin (or Windows that can be lowered to take better pics or video footage). I look forward to discovering more in this great region.
October ´80 ............... Memory Gongs!
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Really enjoyed the video! As for TGD, that must refer to Titograd!
Thank you so much and you are spot on about Titograd!! I look forward to returning to this region. Really enjoyed it
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There is ongoing work on the Belgrade-Budapest route with the aim of introducing high speed trains. I’ll be posting an update on what the old central station and its surroundings look like these days!
@@gagsterguides that would be great and good news about the faster train link to Budapest. I stayed near the old train station while in Belgrade. I didn't get to Beograd Centar. Stay well and safe
i did this trip in 2019, but the other way round - from bar to beograd. it took 11.5 hours. the montenegrin part is astonishing, from bar to kolasin we wouldnt stop filming and taking pictures. the serbian part is pretty awesome too, but not so mountainous. i think my train was different, because there were compartments and not the whole wagon with seats. it was my most memorable train trip ever, also cause we were travelling in an historical train from tito's time. but mostly the views and how high it goes were spectacular. loved it. too bad that the balkans dont have many trains, lets hope one day they update the general infraestructure. ps: the way they just put those trains in topcider is pretty ridiculous. when we arrived people were almost fighting to get in the bus into the city - i mean they should have solved this in a different way, topcider didnt seem the best solution, even if it is temporary.
Did you take the blue train? I took a taxi to Topcider. There's a tramway line too. I can't remember why this and a few other train services can't use the new station. Mind you, Topcider may have its own charm
@@Speedbird1FLY hey, i am not sure but probably it was that one. the service moved to topcider because they are rebuilding the whole waterfront of belgrade which includes the main train station, so they moved some of the trains to topcider (i think its mostly to attract foreign investment and might be a hub for speculation, but its just a hunch from someone that never lived in belgrade).
the problem was: we arrived at night in belgrade in a train station far from the center -. there was a bus to take the passengers...but only one bus was clearly not enough, people almost fought to enter in there. the streets dont have enough light also and to put these important trains further from the center like this, while not giving them a good connection to the center, is a=kinda disrespecting the passengers, including obviously the serbians that need those connections. maybe topcider during the day is best, but they should serve decently these trains since there is still loads of people that use them. cheers.
actually, the locomotives were made at Electroputere factory in Craiova city from Romania, but they have been revamped by Serbian companies during the 1990, due to the fact that Romania allowed NATO to bomb Serbia from it's teritory, the serbs removed all mentions of the original manufacturer of the locomotives.
Electroputere Craiova was building these under license from ASEA Sweden, obtained sometime in the 1960. It was a huge factory, building the locos from scratch, including transformers and control panels. Raw materials, like steel sheets, were obtained from Romanian factories, like the steel factory from Galati, apart from the license, the whole machine was romanian. Nowadays only a part of the factory survives as a shopping mall, some of the patents were taken over by Softronic, but they never had the facilities to build locomotives like the old Electroputere company. There was also a bogie factory in Bals, which supplied the wheels for the locomotives as subassemblies.
Really good journey i love trains and would love to go ride with train like this
Hope you'll get to enjoy it as much as I did. Thanks for watching
@@Speedbird1FLY Yes I enjoyed the recording. but I still don't understand why the trip used to take 7 hours and now it takes 11?
@@User96841 from what I heard / read, it's down to the condition and maintenance of the tracks and the lower speed limits required. I hope more investment will be made to make this line more attractive for travellers
Yes, it's true, I really don't know if they will modernize something around this railway. They say that they will modernize the Belgrade-Nis railway or something like that, but I don't know about the Belgrade bar railway. And by the way sorry for my English because I'm not a professional at so i use a translator
@@User96841 such upgrades are bound to be very costly. On the other hand trains are environmentally friendly. I can't wait to be back to the regions and explore more
I think it would be a VERY smart decision by Belgrade and Podgorica to reconstruct this entire rail line..
doesn't matter who does it.. (Chinese come to mind).
But completely renovate and reconstruct it and it will be a major tourist attraction.
And yeah.. get a a couple of brand new overnight trains with massive windows and nice restoraunt, beds, toilets..
it would pay off quick i'm sure.
Maybe a few short touristic stops along the way?
I would pay good money for such a ride for sure.
Not sure the pace matters for tourists, the onboard facilities do and I think a restaurant would be a great addition.
Upgrading the line would be a massive investment and serious pax or freight traffic would be needed to justify it. I wonder if there are any plans to do so.
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Im' going the trip to montenegro i usally watch movies play games and eat fods but usally
We are taking the trip next Week, my Wife, our 2 Cats (our car) and I, in a berth
I'd love to hear about your experience. I hope you had a great journey. Thanks for watching
@@Speedbird1FLY Well the Engine broke 2 h into the trip, (luckily it was at 2 am so we slept trough it). The trains are incredibly filthy, hygene is a 1/10 (the cars are from the 70s if I am not mistaking). Other than that it is a very scenic route, and I sure hope they will fix some of these easy to fix issues...
@@CharlieTheAstronaut sorry to hear about your experience. If the carriages are old, they were clean when I travelled and especially given the pandemic, any lack of hygiene is unacceptable. I am glad you enjoyed the scenic route. Did your train have a restaurant carriage?
@@Speedbird1FLY We did not really explore the options, we were in a 6-bed compartment (me, wife, and 2 cats), since we could not lock the compartment and had no curtains at the door/windows facing the hallway, we were a bit reluctant walking around. We have had people randomly come in as we were still half asleep because they saw the cute cats and wanted to play with them (which was creepy to say the least). There is also the option so book trips on Tito's "blue train" which is a piece of history really, I believe that the conditions there are a bit better...
Well, we drove back by car 2 days ago :D
oh and, last week an engine derailed on the way back (Bar-Belgrade)
I hope improvements can be made to increase line speed. Double track and CTC signalling will help.
Well you can’t really build double track in the mountains but newer signaling and track upgrades could speed up the trip back down to 7 hours
Is there any chance to have restaurant carriage on this particular route? We think to do this on September. Looks really stunning 😍
A restaurant carriage would be a great addition, especially considering how long this trip takes (not sure such additional service would be that viable though). I hope you'll get to enjoy it in September, it's worth it. Would be great to hear your experience
Gorgeous scenery and very interesting culture and history. You wrote that the trip used to take seven hours and now takes 11 hours. Part of that extra time I'm assuming is taken up by the border formalities, but I'm sure those didn't take four hours. After all, at 11 hours, the average speed is about 27 mph. I'm curious what the reason for this additional delay is.
Hi Thank you for watching. I can't agree more, the scenery is really stunning. Yes border facilities (I estimate) add another hour. Part of the line was bombed during the conflict in the Balkans. Although it was repaired, its condition doesn't allow for a much greater speed. I understand that investment has been made on the Serbian side to renovate the line but this is yet to translate in reduced journey time. Although 11 hours sounds like a long journey, it didn't feel like it. I have other train journey videos you might be interested in. Happy to share the links
@@Speedbird1FLY Thanks, Speedbird! I would love to exp[lore this region some day (the only area of the former Yugoslavia I have visited is the stunningly beautiful Slovenia).
@@Speedbird1FLY Hi, I enjoyed a week's holiday in Serbia in August 2019 and I can recommend the Sarganska osmica historic train journey, Uzice, Tara mountain , Drina river trip, lovely waterfalls and caves...for nature lovers. Plus very affordable accommodation and FOOD! Hope to be back one day!!
Since end off Yugoslavia there was many many times less investment in railways end with out renovations speed had to be lowered on most lines
when did you travel my friend? I want to travel from UK to belgrade than from belgrade to montenegro by bus or train? is border open or any restrictions due to corona? I ma uk citizen
Hi, I went last year. Obviously we are facing such a fast moving situation that any travel advice would age well. Please do check the FCO website if you are based in the UK (and this will vary whether you are in England , Scotland, Wales or NI). More importantly stay safe :-) I managed to squeeze a few trips between July and Oct this year
is this train running now or stopped for coronavirus? night train running? did you have to show covid test result on the border?
Hi, I travelled before the COVID epidemic and I can't advise about the current situation of this service. Travel conditions and requirements between countries (and even domestically) can change at very short notice at the moment
Heloo,in this trip with train to Border Serbia,police You give pașaport and inresgistration to hotel were I stat and sleep?
The Serbia border control only puts and exit stamp on the passport. I can't recall being asked details of my hotel on the way in. Tha ks for watching
Is this train still running in a daytime schedule? I hear he's suspended in 2021?
Hi, I had a quick look at the Serbian railways website and only a night service shows. Hope travel will pick up before long. Thanks for watching, hope you enjoyed the vieo
Hello i have question about reservation. So when I want have a reservation, where it is possible to make it? Thanks for answer
Hi David, I put more information in the comments below the video. Would be great to hear about your experience with the booking. Thanks for watching
Hi how did your reservation go? I'm looking to do the trip in 2024 and am looking for any information regarding booking. Thanks.
@@briancorrigan5746 thanks for watching. I posted some tips in the notes. And the man in seat 61 website is always a wonderful source of info
Where to get the tickets?
Hi, please check the notes.for this video. More information there. Thanks for watching
TGD = Titograd Drom?
TGD - Titograd, old name for Podgorica
Spot on! I flew from TGD and went to the airport by train
Actually, the old name of Podgorica was Podgorica (since the XIV century) and before that Ribnica and still earlier Birziminium. It was briefly known as Titograd over 4 decades of the XX century. A historical blip.
Thanks @Igor Stojkovic
9:35 What is music please
Edit: i readed description
👍👍👍 it's noted there. Well spotted
👍👍👍 it's noted there. Well spotted
Sorry for comment
@@User96841 no worries
What is the toilet situation? 😅
Glad to report It was fine - dated "classic" but clean. Essential on such a long trip!!!
@@Speedbird1FLY amazing thank you! I’m looking to take the trip from Belgrade to Podgorica in December and I’m so excited after seeing your video! Thank you!
@@lukamih it's a great trip. I hope you'll enjoy it as much as I did
does the train have AC?
It "does" although it wasn't that strong
@@Speedbird1FLY haha thanks! Then i know I will wait until September/October, dont want to risk roasting in August
16:03 - ха, это же наша советская ЭР'ка...
Из Риги?
@@Speedbird1FLY ЭР'ка - да, рижская. Это и есть "Электропоезд Рижский".
@@MacIn173 понял. Вы еще видите такие поезда /ЭР'ка в России?
@@Speedbird1FLY именно таких больше нигде не бывает - их строили специально для Югославии, в СССР были другие модели. В России еще есть ЭР2 "квадратные" из той эпохи, но всё больше своих ЭД и ЭТ.
The topcider station is an inslulting joke, compared to our old central station...