I've seen some tactical pants with a side pants pocket that opens along the front edge. The thought is that when sitting or driving, you can still access the pocket easily. Looks smart to me.
The dirtier your uniform gets in the field, the better it blends in. OCP is a good pattern, because its colors look kind of like an old, faded set of BDUs. The thing about BDUs is that brand-new ones didn't blend in very well. They blended in a lot better if they were faded and dirty. Dirty OCPs should therefore be just about right.
Soldiers: "This uniform is hot and uncomfortable in hot/humid environments." Army: "Here's a new uniform that is slightly more comfortable that you can buy." Soldiers: "Ok, but can we roll our sleeves when we're in the field?" Army Leadership: "Absolutely not! It looks unprofessional!"
Rolling sleeves means sunburns and abrasions below the biceps. Rolling sleeves isn't worth it from a tactical standpoint honestly in my opinion because it increases your risk for injury when you can change the cut of the uniform to make it more suitable for the climate you expect to be operating in.
It's ill advisable to roll up your sleeves when in a jungle environment, due to the number of hazards present. Mosquitos, barbed plants, sunlight by itself, etc. It's standard practice in both the Army and Marine Corps to roll down their sleeves when operating in a jungle environment.
@@beavernation1747 I recommend you check out this video. It explains the real costs for reserve officers with respect to uniform changes. m.th-cam.com/video/fw2x19XcCEw/w-d-xo.html. Keep in mind, officers only get one clothing allowance for their entire army career. With uniforms changing occuring ever-other-year, it quickly erodes that awesome pay you think we keep.
@@charleskhenry Sure but put yourself in the shoes of enlisted combat arms. They get $300ish a year for clothing allowance. That's maybe a uniform and nice boots. Even in garrison. That shit dont last and they have to pay out of pocket. I got through 2 uniforms a year. Not counting field uniforms. The Army changed PTs 5 years ago Changed ACUs 4 years ago And getting a new dress uniform that isnt even required to have until 2028 So in perspective that's not a lot of Money anyway. Looking at your stack you been in for what 3-5 years. So you only maybe had to switch to OCPs and new PTs. A E4 makes around 1200 a month and already has 2-3 years experience and maybe a deployment. But bum fuck 4 year degree LT who was an eagle scout makes almost 3 grand for not having done crap. Putting that into perspective yall have enough to buy a nee uniform set. It's like $300 total
Multi Cam is such a vast improvement over that awful "blend in with nothing" gray ACU pattern, which would have been useful only if the Army decided to occupy the Moon!
Same here with a Vet from the 90's. BDU style , nothing wrong with it , zippers, sleeve pockets, no front pockets to articulate the name tapes, Velcro, no rank on collars. Army has the worst uniforms and wastes the most money on nonsense like this.
@@kurtstergar1042 my thought exactly I'm looking at my old bdus and that was the perfect camouflage pattern and it was absolutely nothing wrong with the uniforms just a big waste of money... somebody's buddy that makes uniforms is getting a nice fat payday.
I set my pockets up with one button undone. Velcro is weak for bulky items. Order 200 million buttons then have another billion ready on back orders to re-supply. Supply soldiers with Kevlar threads to reinforce the regular sewing threads.
@Anthony Robinson in many cases you don't know where the enemy is. Modern conventional warfare has more threats than just humans lying in wait, US military drops these rock looking things that has cameras, microphones, sensors for movement all connected to one system, our enemies have it too. Human doesn't need to be close to hear it. Velcro should not be apart of any retention system for combat.
I have this uniform and I have to say, I like it. It's good for hot areas, a lot more breathable and lighter. My problem is idk whether or not I can wear this in another area besides Hawaii or the field.
You can wear it outside of Hawaii. I meant an officer and he was wearing his and then I met a sergeant with a set of those and they were hella cool. And that was in Fort Benning
Edgar Garcia does the front of the jacket button up instead of zip up like the standard issue OCP’s? I always thought they should have kept buttons on the ACU top instead of a front zipper. Thank you.
Wonderful! I was a Navy combat cameraman in Vietnam. When I made my first landing with the 1/26 Marines in the Vung Tau area of Vietnam (Deckhouse -3 Phase-2) in 1966, I was wearing cotton fatigues of the Korean and WW-II vintage. My boots were the old Marine Corps horsehide boondockers. It was a totally inappropriate uniform for jungle combat (the area had 90% tree cover and was wet, hot and muggy) and I suffered because of it. The boots had no traction and the cotton was heavy and would not dry. I got standard jungle fatigue uniforms about 1967 and that was a night and day difference. I am glad to see that the uniforms are evolving even further with the comfort of the troops in mind. If a grunt is comfortable, he/she will be a more efficient combat operator...
So, I was in the Army when the BDU was introduced, way back when rocks were soft and Cold Warriors and other dinosaurs proudly walked the Earth... My Basic unit was the first to be issued a complete set of BDU's including field jacket, so I never had to wear the pickle suit. I can see a lot of improvements in this uniform over the BDU [and yes, I realize there's been several redesigns in between]. One thing that I wish we had back then is the shoulder seam. The BDU seam ran right along the top of the shoulder and when you wore a ruck it was constantly grinding into your shoulder muscles. The trouser cuff mesh is also a good idea, provided that it's comfortable to wear.
I did my basic and AIT at Ft Sill, OK. Summer of 1982. We were in the 1st batch to get the BDU there. The Batteries just ahead of us had the pickles with Mitchell helmet covers. We got woodland camo covers but did get OD field jackets. I was sure glad I got the BDU's instead of the greens. Once I got in my unit, a lot of the guys already there had the pickle suits. We were issued steel pots in basic. I was the 1st in my unit to get the then New Kevlar. One of our cooks found it in the field. I gave him $10 for it. He needed beer money.
@@tidefanyankee2428 Well, you can ask that about the whole uniform. That's what troop trials are for. You can beat on a given item of equipment as much as you want in a lab, but before it's good to go you have to subject it to the most destructive force on Earth: a 19 year old PFC who doesn't give a fuck :D
@@shadowwolf7622 I too am a refugee from Geronimo's Leap :D God, were those BDU's hot as fuck in the Oklahoma heat or what? Credit where it's due though... the cargo pocket was damned handy for carrying around a canteen in.
I can confirm the Improved Hot Weather Combat Uniform (IHWCU) it is lighter no front jacket pockets Smaller side cargo pockets The back pockets on the trousers do exist now (I use it to store my gloves) Articulated knees No mesh at the ankles for over the boots Dries quickly It is now the summer uniform Oh it is below 60 ish for certain personnel I would recommend to either wear silks snivel gear or the plain ACU but that can be personal preference
During my time in the army (88-90’s) it was the BDU woodlands camouflage pattern, years later the army introducing the digital pattern that was widely criticized, now the new uniform looks like back to similar to camouflage pattern .,after of course multi millions dollars well spend 😂
I like them. Especially the mesh around the lower part of the pants. Wish I had them back when I was spending days in the swamps. I wore the old OD Jungle Fatigues with the black Jungle Boots. I loved that uniform over any other issue I've worn, or seen since, except for the Tiger Strips I wore in Vietnam.
Vietnam ERDLs? That was a pretty decent jungle uniform. Helicopter crews often commented they had trouble locating troops wearing this uniform, it was so effective. Even the OD version in jungle environment was relatively effective; movement, not color or camo pattern of uniform, is normally what gives away your position. This whole thing of each service developing it's own uniform is completely out of control. But let's not learn anything from the past, let's go make the same mistakes over, like putting nylon in a jungle uniform or make it out of thick material (Air Force ABU) so it's useless in hot environments...like they found the original woodland BDUs were and had to develop a rip-stop cotton version. Guess they forgot about that. You really going to make everyone wear body armour in jungle environment? Go back and see how that worked in Vietnam. Does anyone research this before they start designing the latest fashion camo? And Velcro on jungle uniforms ? See how much noise it makes when someone opens a pocket, or how it gets caked with crud when in the field.
herobrine_trolo: Lime Green dominant ERDL was a great jungle warfare pattern. Btw, the brown dominant version was what later turned into the "Woodland" pattern, they just took the brown dominant and enlarged it, presto- "Woodland". I believe that even now there are far superior patterns for jungle warfare then what is seen in this video, uh...for starters, how bout a little more of a color known as "green" in the uniform? Is that a dumb idea for tropical environments?
I have to wonder how much money has gone into all these repeated uniform changes since 1990 when we were still wearing BDUs. It's like a new uniform change every year. Someone is making a shit ton of money on government contracts.
The late United States Marine Corps Major General Smedley Darlington Butler, the most decorated U.S. Marine in history, wrote a book about this. It's called "War is a racket" and he describes how the people inside the government are working in cahoots with the defense companies to basically launder government money and make a fortune off of it.
Patrick Joseph: Yes the Vietnam Jungle fatigues, (which were modeled on the WW2 M-42 Paratrooper jump uniforms) worked well. The lime green dominant ERDL jungle fatigues, which were worn by LRRPS/Rangers, etc... was a great camo pattern that had actually been in development by the Army in Panama during WW2 and brought out in Vietnam. But the point here is that all that is history, after Vietnam, in the early 1970s the Army purged everything that had to do with the war, lessons learned, everything, and not much had been written down so it all vanished.. They seemingly viewed the war as a splotch on their proud record and they quickly sought to distance themselves from it, as they shifted back to their WW3, European, Russkies pouring through the Fulda Gap scenario. So now they have to re-learn everything related to "jungle". (Footnote: The only unit within the U.S. Army that even sought to memorialize the Vietnam War was U.S. Army Special Forces, aka the "Green Berets". They didn't forget. But they are only a small community within the Army)
Is this worth the extra cost? The Army keeps changing its uniforms. That keeps the contractors busy making more and more $$ each time there's a change. Plus soldiers are not issued enough new uniforms so they have to buy replacements. Heck the Navy had blue camo uniforms with baggy pockets. The last thing you need if you fall overboard is ocean camo. Plus the baggy pockets are always catching on latches. The Coast Guard went back to their Blue utilities uniforms. solid blue, No baggy pockets plus pants match Dickies, so they are easy to replace. They don't snag on latches. LEO Coastguardsmen used to wear the blue utilities. Lately I've seen some Coastguardsmen LEOs wearing multi camo. Doesn't make any sense. I was happy with our Blue Utilities.
Ripstop patterned, buttoned, slanted pockets (which actually have use given body armor isn't fun to wear in the jungle). It was a glorious thing. One can only wish they did the sensible thing and not re-invent the wheel again, they'd look mighty fine in any tropical camo
@Danijel Mornarić >Shouldn’t we want the most effective camouflage for everyone? the branches wanted to be special and that hasnt changed i guess, or they just stopped noticing and never came back to it
@Danijel Mornarić different branches train differently, and there for have different sets of skills. This is why I think they don't just lump all soliders together in the same uniforms. "I'm 30 not in the military". Your age? Good your concerned with not wasting me one though, a big problem we know with the military.
@Danijel Mornarić To be fair, the Marines developed their MARPATS long before the Army came out with the ACU, and they did it for way cheaper too. The Army came out with the ACU years after the Marines had been wearing the MARPATS, it would have been grossly unfair and expensive to make the USMC change over to the ACU which isn't even worn anymore. But at the same time, the USMC also fucked it up for everyone by incorporating the EGA into the camouflage which meant it wasn't usable for other services, and so started the trend of everyone making their own camouflage. That said, the USAF switched to wearing the Army OCPs and the Navy got rid of the blue berries.
Tested it in Malaysia, way better then the regular ocp. These are made for jungle or hot places. They are breathable and dry quick, which is what u need in that thick ass vegetation.
I've worn this uniform fully, wearing the winter OCPs I could not do a leg tuck nor operate as smoothly as I could in these "Hot Weather" OCPs, I noticed some command channels forbid soldiers from using the Hot Weather uniform due to it not being massly issued and dress right dressed with everyone else, Hopefully SMA will have these mass produced and issued out, these uniforms are way more efficent and work for the troops.
Okay so. Let’s talk about what I don’t like about these uniforms that captain what’s his name doesn’t know. It does not breath or cool you that much better than the digital pattern. The uniform is darker. Which means more sunlight attraction or light retention than the digital. And btw I didn’t like the digital either. It blended with nothing in this world except pee gravel. The seams that are under the secondary elbow cover are directly on the bad part of the elbow that hurts. They got rid of the strings on the trousers and sometimes you forget your belt and it sucks not having something to hold your pants up. And they need to get rid of the Velcro patches. Get rid of hook and loop everything.
Good video. I like the mesh at the ankles, to stop leeches from crawling up pants legs. That is a Great Idea, as leeches were a problem in the Vietnam War.
Nothing wrong with old uniforms? So who is getting a kick back for the new ones? Tell you what find a couple of Battalions let them try them out and get back to us?
is it me or the overall tone of the camo pattern is way too light for a jungle environment, even accounting for the darker tones of a wet uniform? That without even going into the changes of design (pockets, etc). One pattern that I found excellent is the Colombian one. Those guys should know: they have been fighting in the jungle for decades.
@@miguelencanarias should've adopted US4CES when we could, a family of pattern for every environment. Now the Mexican marines have the transitional pattern, and we're stuck with this
@@smesaric The funny thing is, it's really easy to pick a good pattern for jungle/woodland, there are so many to choose from that I am shocked they went for this one. You can throw a stick at a random sample in Hyperstealth's closet and you will get something more suitable. Then again, this is the Army that chose UCP and tried to convince us that that grey monstruosity worked everywhere, and that our eyes were lying to us.
@@docback63 Unfortunately Multicam tropic is awful. A soviet 2 colored camo (klmk/berezka) from the 70s beats it out... just look at Brent0331's videos on the two patterns. Tropic is super easy to spot beacause it just turns into a black blob with no disruption. The ONLY reason multicam even works reasonably well is because of the color scheme, crye themselves admit that it's not a disruptive pattern. It's been proven time and time again through actual scientific that contrast is what makes camouflage work
ACU and Air Force ABU blended with Slagle gravel! That's all they blended with. Deployed to the Middle East with ABU uniforms. They sucked big time. I like the old DCU pattern. Wore those in Iraq in 2003, great pattern for that region.
They're actually not, in dark dense foliage yes, they work really well, however think of it this way, when you do most need to rely on your camo to conceal you, or at least delay the moment when an enemy spots you? The answer is when you're moving across open ground, that means a slight bias in camo pattern effectiveness towards brush, grasses and earth colour is preferred, in foliage you can hide behind concealment and even use bits of foliage to augment your camouflage, in the open you have nothing. Tests have shown that transitional patterns like MultiCam perform better overall when multiple terrain types are considered, DPM will be the top in woodland but completely at the bottom in desert, whereas MultiCam for example tends to sit either in the middle or the upper third of test patterns in nearly every terrain. For a military that does deploy to multiple countries, and isn't just a small defence force in a country with a fairly uniform climate, a transitional pattern is a good idea.
@@suspense8282 True old BDUs are too hot, especially with modern body armour. As the for pure pattern though on a modern cut uniform, Woodland still has some merit.
If someone has a pair of the Gen 1 trial hot weather uniform please get in contact with me I want to buy a pair but they were given exclusively to the 25th ID to trial and cant find a pair for sale anywhere.
So they decided the ACU design was terrible, like everyone else had done long before now and thought to themselves "The only problem is the color pattern" really?!! The velcro all over the ACU's weren't changed at all, the patches that are just slapped on like the ACU's. The ACU's biggest issue was a persons lack of noise discipline when wearing them, patches can be pulled off with little to no effort, when it's washed it screws up the velcro adhesive making it hard to seal velcro pockets after a while and the pockets can get caught on things making a loud ripping sound when the velcro is tugged on... You didn't even change the rank insignia placement?! Put them back on the collars where they belong!!
The back pockets on pants are not an issue, and the chest pockets in the blouse are not an issue either. For paperwork and my CAC I use the the chest pockets. And the back pocket for my wallet.... why take them away? It makes no sense. They don’t add that much for heat retention.
I like having the breast pockets and the zippers the way they are on the shoulder pockets. The removal of the back pockets on the pants is nice though. never used em.
Nice . Now they need to make jungle camo brown thunders . After a month or so mine were usually camouflaged from all the shit stains anyway but a real camo would be cool 😎. I remember when we were first issued a.c.u.s and every damn stitch came undone and even the Velcro areas were talking off . They quickly fixed the problem but it was a shitty introduction .
As someone who served in the USMC, I think I could speak for my Army comrades when I say: How about a new assault rifle instead? Yes the pentagon is fast becoming part of the swamp as well.
The breast and back pockets were entirely unnecessary i own a set of these BDU's nobody used the breast pockets as you have a plate carrier on over it, and nobody used the back butt pockets ass they weren't really large enough to carry anything got in the way when sitting down or crawling and weighed down the back belt area causing sag on top of all that both pocket placements were just huge moisture traps/
That mannequin's hair is not to regulation.
**[Gunny Sixta goes off in 3...2...1...]**
@@carlhicksjr8401 SgtMaj Sixta
They used an Air Force mannequin.
HIS HAIRS IS IN VIOLATIONS OF THEM GROOMIN' STANDARDS!!! UNF##K YOUR HAIRS SGT
@@EscanV Was looking for this comment, thank you :)
And soldiers still can't put their hand in their pants pockets.
I never liked seeing Soldiers standing around with their hands in their pockets. IMHO
Air Force gloves
I've seen some tactical pants with a side pants pocket that opens along the front edge. The thought is that when sitting or driving, you can still access the pocket easily. Looks smart to me.
@@DEL061 because youre not swc
@@gkilsetup442 , true.
A jungle camo pattern would be a good improvement too.
LostInPA we had that 20+ years ago, personally I think we should bring it back
They were supposed to release a jungle and desert variant. Current OCP is purely transitional.
@@josephdeliz3455 Any pattern is better than the "grandma's couch" pattern.
The dirtier your uniform gets in the field, the better it blends in. OCP is a good pattern, because its colors look kind of like an old, faded set of BDUs. The thing about BDUs is that brand-new ones didn't blend in very well. They blended in a lot better if they were faded and dirty. Dirty OCPs should therefore be just about right.
@@tidefanyankee2428 Indeed
Soldiers: "This uniform is hot and uncomfortable in hot/humid environments."
Army: "Here's a new uniform that is slightly more comfortable that you can buy."
Soldiers: "Ok, but can we roll our sleeves when we're in the field?"
Army Leadership: "Absolutely not! It looks unprofessional!"
Trust me you’re not missing much rolling sleeves
*marine enters chat
Rolling sleeves means sunburns and abrasions below the biceps. Rolling sleeves isn't worth it from a tactical standpoint honestly in my opinion because it increases your risk for injury when you can change the cut of the uniform to make it more suitable for the climate you expect to be operating in.
Bernito Sandriguez man and in the field we don’t roll sleeves it’s only in garrison
It's ill advisable to roll up your sleeves when in a jungle environment, due to the number of hazards present. Mosquitos, barbed plants, sunlight by itself, etc. It's standard practice in both the Army and Marine Corps to roll down their sleeves when operating in a jungle environment.
Waitwaitwaitwaitwait...you telling me we don't need 85 pockets we're not allowed to put our hands in?
You got twelve pockets in your uniform. And not a GOT DAMNED ONE OF EM, is for your hands.
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Axel Kusanagi nothing makes a fighting man look more formidable than his ability to resist sooo maaany pooockets .
They went ahead and stuck with the pockets. Same as the other pants. Shirt doesn't have breast pockets though.
I'm so TIRED of buying new uniforms every other year because they make improvements.
your an officer you can afford it lol
@@beavernation1747 I recommend you check out this video. It explains the real costs for reserve officers with respect to uniform changes. m.th-cam.com/video/fw2x19XcCEw/w-d-xo.html. Keep in mind, officers only get one clothing allowance for their entire army career. With uniforms changing occuring ever-other-year, it quickly erodes that awesome pay you think we keep.
@@charleskhenry yeh that is an issue for reserves,
@@charleskhenry Sure but put yourself in the shoes of enlisted combat arms. They get $300ish a year for clothing allowance. That's maybe a uniform and nice boots. Even in garrison. That shit dont last and they have to pay out of pocket. I got through 2 uniforms a year. Not counting field uniforms. The Army changed PTs 5 years ago
Changed ACUs 4 years ago
And getting a new dress uniform that isnt even required to have until 2028
So in perspective that's not a lot of Money anyway. Looking at your stack you been in for what 3-5 years. So you only maybe had to switch to OCPs and new PTs. A E4 makes around 1200 a month and already has 2-3 years experience and maybe a deployment. But bum fuck 4 year degree LT who was an eagle scout makes almost 3 grand for not having done crap. Putting that into perspective yall have enough to buy a nee uniform set. It's like $300 total
Multi Cam is such a vast improvement over that awful "blend in with nothing" gray ACU pattern, which would have been useful only if the Army decided to occupy the Moon!
They are talking about the new uniform not the pattern
Christian Turner he’s talkin about the old camouflage, the gray ACU
It was an idea taken while having an awfull coffe
@@xaniety.2691 ACU is the style of uniform like BDU, the grey camouflage is called UCP ("Universal" Camo Pattern)
OCP is not Multicam, it's Scorpion W2
Ahhh nylon... so it can burn and melt to you got it!!!
That's just first aid cauterization.
like that Ripstop crap we had in the 80s probably
Good point
& the Vietnam vets are having a fat laugh.
Same here with a Vet from the 90's. BDU style , nothing wrong with it , zippers, sleeve pockets, no front pockets to articulate the name tapes, Velcro, no rank on collars. Army has the worst uniforms and wastes the most money on nonsense like this.
@@kurtstergar1042 let me introduce you to the navy and coast guard...
*laughs in olive drab*
OG-107s worked just fine
@@kurtstergar1042 my thought exactly I'm looking at my old bdus and that was the perfect camouflage pattern and it was absolutely nothing wrong with the uniforms just a big waste of money... somebody's buddy that makes uniforms is getting a nice fat payday.
I would think velcro is no good for stealth, but that's just me
Vincent Quintero you just have to yell really loud when opening the velcro, so the enemy can’t hear it.
I set my pockets up with one button undone. Velcro is weak for bulky items. Order 200 million buttons then have another billion ready on back orders to re-supply. Supply soldiers with Kevlar threads to reinforce the regular sewing threads.
What would be so important to get out of your pocket that If you’re close enough to the enemy that they can hear you opening a Velcro pocket,
@Anthony Robinson in many cases you don't know where the enemy is. Modern conventional warfare has more threats than just humans lying in wait, US military drops these rock looking things that has cameras, microphones, sensors for movement all connected to one system, our enemies have it too. Human doesn't need to be close to hear it. Velcro should not be apart of any retention system for combat.
there are times you shouldnt be opening your pocket and if there is shooting going on aint nobody gonna hear it anyway
I have this uniform and I have to say, I like it. It's good for hot areas, a lot more breathable and lighter. My problem is idk whether or not I can wear this in another area besides Hawaii or the field.
I've seen dudes wearing them at Campbell.
As of June 1st it’s authorized.
You can wear it outside of Hawaii. I meant an officer and he was wearing his and then I met a sergeant with a set of those and they were hella cool. And that was in Fort Benning
Edgar Garcia does the front of the jacket button up instead of zip up like the standard issue OCP’s? I always thought they should have kept buttons on the ACU top instead of a front zipper. Thank you.
@@tristenthomas7352 I've been there many times in the 80's. That is some hard ass dirt to dig foxholes in!
Wonderful! I was a Navy combat cameraman in Vietnam. When I made my first landing with the 1/26 Marines in the Vung Tau area of Vietnam (Deckhouse -3 Phase-2) in 1966, I was wearing cotton fatigues of the Korean and WW-II vintage. My boots were the old Marine Corps horsehide boondockers. It was a totally inappropriate uniform for jungle combat (the area had 90% tree cover and was wet, hot and muggy) and I suffered because of it. The boots had no traction and the cotton was heavy and would not dry.
I got standard jungle fatigue uniforms about 1967 and that was a night and day difference.
I am glad to see that the uniforms are evolving even further with the comfort of the troops in mind. If a grunt is comfortable, he/she will be a more efficient combat operator...
Still no buttons???? Back pockets are used ALL the time! Office pogs still designing uniforms!!!
So, I was in the Army when the BDU was introduced, way back when rocks were soft and Cold Warriors and other dinosaurs proudly walked the Earth... My Basic unit was the first to be issued a complete set of BDU's including field jacket, so I never had to wear the pickle suit.
I can see a lot of improvements in this uniform over the BDU [and yes, I realize there's been several redesigns in between]. One thing that I wish we had back then is the shoulder seam. The BDU seam ran right along the top of the shoulder and when you wore a ruck it was constantly grinding into your shoulder muscles. The trouser cuff mesh is also a good idea, provided that it's comfortable to wear.
I did my basic and AIT at Ft Sill, OK. Summer of 1982. We were in the 1st batch to get the BDU there. The Batteries just ahead of us had the pickles with Mitchell helmet covers. We got woodland camo covers but did get OD field jackets. I was sure glad I got the BDU's instead of the greens. Once I got in my unit, a lot of the guys already there had the pickle suits. We were issued steel pots in basic. I was the 1st in my unit to get the then New Kevlar. One of our cooks found it in the field. I gave him $10 for it. He needed beer money.
I would question the durability of that trouser cuff mesh. I agree, it's a good idea, but how long will it last in the field?
@@tidefanyankee2428 Well, you can ask that about the whole uniform. That's what troop trials are for. You can beat on a given item of equipment as much as you want in a lab, but before it's good to go you have to subject it to the most destructive force on Earth: a 19 year old PFC who doesn't give a fuck :D
@@shadowwolf7622 I too am a refugee from Geronimo's Leap :D
God, were those BDU's hot as fuck in the Oklahoma heat or what? Credit where it's due though... the cargo pocket was damned handy for carrying around a canteen in.
CPT Ferenczy was my CO in Afghanistan back in ‘08, funny running across him on TH-cam doing something other than managing a line unit.
Yeah, that'd be kinda surreal...
Still a captain in 18'?
@@billb3454 Thats because he managed his company , he didnt command it
There's more room in the crouch because,..you know,...we're Americans.
Gene Steger Americans aren’t the only ones who play pocket pool.
Hey we wearing those out here in Afghanistan
Still has the worthless velcro hmmm...
In 2 years there will be a new jungle uniform.
Do you think they will really wait that long?
Special Operations are allready filed testing it.
No back pockets? Where are these airborne dudes gonna put their dog tags.
Forreal. I use my back pockets all the time.
Personally I loved the summer BDU
I can confirm the Improved Hot Weather Combat Uniform (IHWCU)
it is lighter
no front jacket pockets
Smaller side cargo pockets
The back pockets on the trousers do exist now (I use it to store my gloves)
Articulated knees
No mesh at the ankles for over the boots
Dries quickly
It is now the summer uniform
Oh it is below 60 ish for certain personnel I would recommend to either wear silks snivel gear or the plain ACU but that can be personal preference
During my time in the army (88-90’s) it was the BDU woodlands camouflage pattern, years later the army introducing the digital pattern that was widely criticized, now the new uniform looks like back to similar to camouflage pattern .,after of course multi millions dollars well spend 😂
What about PT Belt built in ?
Is it still fire proof if an IED or booby trap goes off your squad won't melt
I like them. Especially the mesh around the lower part of the pants. Wish I had them back when I was spending days in the swamps. I wore the old OD Jungle Fatigues with the black Jungle Boots. I loved that uniform over any other issue I've worn, or seen since, except for the Tiger Strips I wore in Vietnam.
The mesh is from the russians its standard on there uniforms for years to stop ticks etc in Siberia
New suits must be strechable, hydrophobic, shockwave proof, fireproof and bullet proof that can stop high caliber rounds.
Old Nam boots were better. You'll figure it out.
Things where so much simpler back in the 80’s. Wore the BDU’s for 9 years, we did have summer and winter versions.
Vietnam ERDLs? That was a pretty decent jungle uniform. Helicopter crews often commented they had trouble locating troops wearing this uniform, it was so effective. Even the OD version in jungle environment was relatively effective; movement, not color or camo pattern of uniform, is normally what gives away your position. This whole thing of each service developing it's own uniform is completely out of control. But let's not learn anything from the past, let's go make the same mistakes over, like putting nylon in a jungle uniform or make it out of thick material (Air Force ABU) so it's useless in hot environments...like they found the original woodland BDUs were and had to develop a rip-stop cotton version. Guess they forgot about that. You really going to make everyone wear body armour in jungle environment? Go back and see how that worked in Vietnam. Does anyone research this before they start designing the latest fashion camo? And Velcro on jungle uniforms ? See how much noise it makes when someone opens a pocket, or how it gets caked with crud when in the field.
Bro stfu
except they work literally no where except tropical jungles, and even then there are far superior patterns for that environment
herobrine_trolo: Lime Green dominant ERDL was a great jungle warfare pattern. Btw, the brown dominant version was what later turned into the "Woodland" pattern, they just took the brown dominant and enlarged it, presto- "Woodland". I believe that even now there are far superior patterns for jungle warfare then what is seen in this video, uh...for starters, how bout a little more of a color known as "green" in the uniform? Is that a dumb idea for tropical environments?
mick8009 bro stfu lol
We've been wasting A LOT of money since Gen. Shinseki's black beret debacle. Rangers probably still pissed off
They should be. The DoD needs to make a rule, no uniform changes unless there is a dire need.
I never liked the berets on soldiers, it was special when GREEN BERETs wore them, because they do look foreign.
Yeah no sh*t. Heavy CAV wearing a sun sponge in the motor pool. Fun times!
I have to wonder how much money has gone into all these repeated uniform changes since 1990 when we were still wearing BDUs. It's like a new uniform change every year. Someone is making a shit ton of money on government contracts.
The late United States Marine Corps Major General Smedley Darlington Butler, the most decorated U.S. Marine in history, wrote a book about this. It's called "War is a racket" and he describes how the people inside the government are working in cahoots with the defense companies to basically launder government money and make a fortune off of it.
Read "War is a racket" by USMC Major General Smedley Butler, the most decorated U.S. Marine in history, and you'll understand.
@@MedicmanFP I already understand, being a vetran myself.
Bring back butt pocket!
I have bought foreign mil surplus that had no pockets, it doesn't feel right at all. I got rid of them.
"so what features you think the soldier will be most excited about?"
"definitely the uniform."
Dumabass....
The boots are pretty sweet
Rich DK no, more like dry humor
Quicker dry time (if it is true). Both boots and the new Jungle top and bottom.
Ma’am, honestly, most of the soldiers I know will be most excited by your little red dress.
No complaints about the ones we had in 'Nam. They had big pockets and were comfortable.
people also generally weren't wearing body armor in vietnam. so yeah
Patrick Joseph: Yes the Vietnam Jungle fatigues, (which were modeled on the WW2 M-42 Paratrooper jump uniforms) worked well. The lime green dominant ERDL jungle fatigues, which were worn by LRRPS/Rangers, etc... was a great camo pattern that had actually been in development by the Army in Panama during WW2 and brought out in Vietnam. But the point here is that all that is history, after Vietnam, in the early 1970s the Army purged everything that had to do with the war, lessons learned, everything, and not much had been written down so it all vanished.. They seemingly viewed the war as a splotch on their proud record and they quickly sought to distance themselves from it, as they shifted back to their WW3, European, Russkies pouring through the Fulda Gap scenario. So now they have to re-learn everything related to "jungle". (Footnote: The only unit within the U.S. Army that even sought to memorialize the Vietnam War was U.S. Army Special Forces, aka the "Green Berets". They didn't forget. But they are only a small community within the Army)
@@smesaric Flak vests were fairly conmon.
@@smesaric flak jackets/vests were worn by many units.
BDUs were the best one of the reasons I joined and still have them hanging in my closet
@Dragon Medic67 Damn, we are lmao. I'm sure feeling it too!
I joined for the GI Bill and to get the fuck out of rural Michigan.
Anyone one else think this was gonna turn to an intro for a three-way with the manacan?
Um.. No? Wtf is wrong with you.
Da faq
Alright alirght. Just thought I saw some chemistry with these two you robots
Guess they wanted to make it androgynous with the hair to reflect all soldiers?
Is this worth the extra cost?
The Army keeps changing its uniforms.
That keeps the contractors busy making more and more $$ each time there's a change.
Plus soldiers are not issued enough new uniforms so they have to buy replacements.
Heck the Navy had blue camo uniforms with baggy pockets.
The last thing you need if you fall overboard is ocean camo.
Plus the baggy pockets are always catching on latches. The Coast Guard went back to their Blue utilities uniforms.
solid blue, No baggy pockets plus pants match Dickies, so they are easy to replace.
They don't snag on latches.
LEO Coastguardsmen used to wear the blue utilities. Lately I've seen some Coastguardsmen LEOs wearing multi camo.
Doesn't make any sense. I was happy with our Blue Utilities.
No front pockets or back pockets? Who was smoking the good stuff and not sharing when they came up with this concept?
Ngl this shit is OG. Specially in 100 degree weather. I love it
I like the Vietnam war era uniform more
Ripstop patterned, buttoned, slanted pockets (which actually have use given body armor isn't fun to wear in the jungle). It was a glorious thing. One can only wish they did the sensible thing and not re-invent the wheel again, they'd look mighty fine in any tropical camo
Fuck yes. Probably the best hot-weather, or hell, temperate weather uniform the U.S. has ever had.
Army has like 5 different BDU?!?! Marines only got 2....desert and jungle. Army just wasting money.
@Danijel Mornarić >Shouldn’t we want the most effective camouflage for everyone?
the branches wanted to be special and that hasnt changed i guess, or they just stopped noticing and never came back to it
@Danijel Mornarić different branches train differently, and there for have different sets of skills. This is why I think they don't just lump all soliders together in the same uniforms. "I'm 30 not in the military". Your age? Good your concerned with not wasting me one though, a big problem we know with the military.
@Danijel Mornarić To be fair, the Marines developed their MARPATS long before the Army came out with the ACU, and they did it for way cheaper too. The Army came out with the ACU years after the Marines had been wearing the MARPATS, it would have been grossly unfair and expensive to make the USMC change over to the ACU which isn't even worn anymore.
But at the same time, the USMC also fucked it up for everyone by incorporating the EGA into the camouflage which meant it wasn't usable for other services, and so started the trend of everyone making their own camouflage. That said, the USAF switched to wearing the Army OCPs and the Navy got rid of the blue berries.
Tested it in Malaysia, way better then the regular ocp. These are made for jungle or hot places. They are breathable and dry quick, which is what u need in that thick ass vegetation.
I've worn this uniform fully, wearing the winter OCPs I could not do a leg tuck nor operate as smoothly as I could in these "Hot Weather" OCPs, I noticed some command channels forbid soldiers from using the Hot Weather uniform due to it not being massly issued and dress right dressed with everyone else, Hopefully SMA will have these mass produced and issued out, these uniforms are way more efficent and work for the troops.
Okay so. Let’s talk about what I don’t like about these uniforms that captain what’s his name doesn’t know. It does not breath or cool you that much better than the digital pattern. The uniform is darker. Which means more sunlight attraction or light retention than the digital. And btw I didn’t like the digital either. It blended with nothing in this world except pee gravel. The seams that are under the secondary elbow cover are directly on the bad part of the elbow that hurts. They got rid of the strings on the trousers and sometimes you forget your belt and it sucks not having something to hold your pants up. And they need to get rid of the Velcro patches. Get rid of hook and loop everything.
Good video. I like the mesh at the ankles, to stop leeches from crawling up pants legs. That is a Great Idea, as leeches were a problem in the Vietnam War.
Looks like a return to the original BDU campo pattern
Go back to the Tiger stripe camouflage and the jungle boots , if it's not broke don't fix it.
Tiger stripe was never issued.
Are we going back into Vietnam?
From the thumbnail I thought that soldier was speaking to a kid.
"Jungle Boots" in 2020 what a new cool Idea 🤣
Nothing wrong with old uniforms? So who is getting a kick back for the new ones? Tell you what find a couple of Battalions
let them try them out and get back to us?
is it me or the overall tone of the camo pattern is way too light for a jungle environment, even accounting for the darker tones of a wet uniform? That without even going into the changes of design (pockets, etc). One pattern that I found excellent is the Colombian one. Those guys should know: they have been fighting in the jungle for decades.
Yeah it's because multicam/ocp sucks. Way too dark for desert, too light, but most importantly not disruptive enough for woodland.
@@smesaric Don't tell the fanboys. You'll get crucified.
@@miguelencanarias should've adopted US4CES when we could, a family of pattern for every environment. Now the Mexican marines have the transitional pattern, and we're stuck with this
@@smesaric The funny thing is, it's really easy to pick a good pattern for jungle/woodland, there are so many to choose from that I am shocked they went for this one. You can throw a stick at a random sample in Hyperstealth's closet and you will get something more suitable.
Then again, this is the Army that chose UCP and tried to convince us that that grey monstruosity worked everywhere, and that our eyes were lying to us.
@@docback63 Unfortunately Multicam tropic is awful. A soviet 2 colored camo (klmk/berezka) from the 70s beats it out... just look at Brent0331's videos on the two patterns. Tropic is super easy to spot beacause it just turns into a black blob with no disruption.
The ONLY reason multicam even works reasonably well is because of the color scheme, crye themselves admit that it's not a disruptive pattern. It's been proven time and time again through actual scientific that contrast is what makes camouflage work
Nothing better than the BDU’s
This is stupid
You have combat shirts
Why would soldiers wear this instead?
Because some dumb ass thinks combat shirts don't look professional....
Preachhh
It's a garrison uniform.
Because, oh, I don't know... not every soldier is a combat arms MOS operating in a warm weather environment?
Kitty, yes exactly. The Army is spending so much on uniforms might as well go all out and adopt cryes variants if its muliticam
Can this please be standard issue? the current one is way too hot as it is.
Where can I get a jungle uniform?
But what about the dark green pixel camo?
So what about velcro?
Will soldiers still be using velcro name tapes, or will they have to be sewn on like the old BDU's
So you went from way too many pockets to no pockets. Wow.
Tiger stripes were the best.
I like tiger stripe a lot. But they never were issue. .
Americans changing their uniform pattern every year now. Your best one was the woodland camo.
Ya but where can I buy?
Sorry old nam combat boots Panamanian solo with metal under for punji stilck more durable &battle test already to me.⚓
That is what I wore in the 80's. We had to buy them. Not issued. But authorized for wear.
And the pattern actually blends in with its surroundings... I always wondered what ACUs blended in with
ACU and Air Force ABU blended with Slagle gravel! That's all they blended with. Deployed to the Middle East with ABU uniforms. They sucked big time. I like the old DCU pattern. Wore those in Iraq in 2003, great pattern for that region.
The Army is finally nailing their uniforms. Great ACU camo and now classic dress uniforms. Love it!
Always trying to do better, uniforms, training, anything that will bring more heroes home in good shape!
Good for you! That's the most important consideration- bring the troops back home ALIVE! As many as possible.
Honestly this seems like a better uniform overall. It's not like we're fighting in cold climates too often anyway.
The old woodland pattern or the British DPM patter are MUCH better.
Having worn both... no, they're not.
They're actually not, in dark dense foliage yes, they work really well, however think of it this way, when you do most need to rely on your camo to conceal you, or at least delay the moment when an enemy spots you? The answer is when you're moving across open ground, that means a slight bias in camo pattern effectiveness towards brush, grasses and earth colour is preferred, in foliage you can hide behind concealment and even use bits of foliage to augment your camouflage, in the open you have nothing.
Tests have shown that transitional patterns like MultiCam perform better overall when multiple terrain types are considered, DPM will be the top in woodland but completely at the bottom in desert, whereas MultiCam for example tends to sit either in the middle or the upper third of test patterns in nearly every terrain. For a military that does deploy to multiple countries, and isn't just a small defence force in a country with a fairly uniform climate, a transitional pattern is a good idea.
In hot climates, no. They’re thicker material, original od’s will forever be the best uniform.
@@suspense8282 True old BDUs are too hot, especially with modern body armour.
As the for pure pattern though on a modern cut uniform, Woodland still has some merit.
If someone has a pair of the Gen 1 trial hot weather uniform please get in contact with me I want to buy a pair but they were given exclusively to the 25th ID to trial and cant find a pair for sale anywhere.
Who picks these uniforms?
Lots of nylon- wouldn't want to be wearing that in a flash fire and get shrink-wrapped.
Ya, it seems like it would hold in body heat, not always a good thing.
Where can you get these things, they aren't available at the px online
Made in America, China or Vietnam???
How about just issue multicam Tropic ??
Omg....a uniform that Actually blends with the environment!? You disappoint me America!
So they decided the ACU design was terrible, like everyone else had done long before now and thought to themselves "The only problem is the color pattern" really?!! The velcro all over the ACU's weren't changed at all, the patches that are just slapped on like the ACU's. The ACU's biggest issue was a persons lack of noise discipline when wearing them, patches can be pulled off with little to no effort, when it's washed it screws up the velcro adhesive making it hard to seal velcro pockets after a while and the pockets can get caught on things making a loud ripping sound when the velcro is tugged on... You didn't even change the rank insignia placement?! Put them back on the collars where they belong!!
Even I’m excited to enlist when I’m old enough. Partially because of the uniform.
imagine that, listening to people who actually wear the uniform. All that polyester seems like it would hold in too much heat.
This should be the standard issue uniform.
Just use cyre bro
Get Tim Gunn to introduce it
Best comment here. If the army's gonna constantly come up with new uniforms, they might as well get Tim Gunn to introduce them all.
No more Deserts? Who are we invading now?
the all camo uniform type really isnt a way to play. it doesnt help with anything anywhere. it was a quick development.
Maybe they want to consult Duluth Trading Company. They know how to give your arms/shoulders more pit room and lets not forget those BALL ROOM pants.
Trapping of moisture and heat
The back pockets on pants are not an issue, and the chest pockets in the blouse are not an issue either. For paperwork and my CAC I use the the chest pockets. And the back pocket for my wallet.... why take them away? It makes no sense. They don’t add that much for heat retention.
Am I the only one who doesn't like boot flex?
Maybe I should have been born with hoofs?
Go back to ERDL ripstop.
I like having the breast pockets and the zippers the way they are on the shoulder pockets. The removal of the back pockets on the pants is nice though. never used em.
Definitely a step up from those ridiculous ACUs!!!
You wanna see amazing jungle and forest uniform? Check out Colombian uniform. It's awesome
Nice . Now they need to make jungle camo brown thunders . After a month or so mine were usually camouflaged from all the shit stains anyway but a real camo would be cool 😎. I remember when we were first issued a.c.u.s and every damn stitch came undone and even the Velcro areas were talking off . They quickly fixed the problem but it was a shitty introduction .
It's like they tested the acu with pogs only 5 billion $ lost and much more
more like certain generals had investments
As someone who served in the USMC, I think I could speak for my Army comrades when I say: How about a new assault rifle instead? Yes the pentagon is fast becoming part of the swamp as well.
Brian Jackson the marine corps just got a new rifle
Boots, uni's and gear for the American solider. Why is there, made in " the far east?" tag on the gear? WTH? That just makes me pissed off.
cold hard cash
No back pockets??? No breast pockets?? And wtf are you gonna put in ankle pockets. Smh
Cigarettes lol
The breast and back pockets were entirely unnecessary i own a set of these BDU's nobody used the breast pockets as you have a plate carrier on over it, and nobody used the back butt pockets ass they weren't really large enough to carry anything got in the way when sitting down or crawling and weighed down the back belt area causing sag on top of all that both pocket placements were just huge moisture traps/
I always kept an extra mag in my back left butt pocket.
@@jacksonduren34 Unless you are ordered to, why would you put armour as your outer layer?
If this will be their daily uniform breast pockets are useful body armor or not. The same goes for back pockets.
Why not just stick them in a durable play dri? This material is going to snag.
i want a pair of them boots damm
Lol, My wall pattern is better than the ACU, the uniform that will go down in history as the WTFACU
Honestly......... this looks disgusting.