Byleth: I'm going to protect Edelgard. *Hubert teleport in and backstabs Byleth* Edelgard: What the F Hubert!, the professor was on our side! Hubert: ....oh....whoops...
DewwyDewott Do you know what would have happen if you were to choose to stay at the monastery instead of choosing to accompany Edelgard to Enbarr? I already finished the Edelgard route with having accompanied her (and having S ranked her too)
@@anomallie you'd side with the church of seiros and essentially, go down the same timeline the other routes went down, where you go to war with edlegarde
@@DeVon675 No one survives every ending. All the leaders die in Claudes, you can spare Claude in the other 2. That's the best part of 3H. No perfectly fantasy happy endings exist.
Byleth: *kills Edelgard* Rhea: Attaboy. Byleth: She was unarmed. I shouldn't have done that. It's not the way. Rhea: She was too dangerous to be left alive.
@@XGame80 he wasn't There when Nemesis killed all the Nabateans. Rhea was the only surviver of the Red Canyon tragedie, she hatet Nemesis the most and seing Byleth who she loves and trusted to become a 2nd Nemesis just triggered her trauma and all these feelings came back
Sakutaro〈3musik I know that, but still. Rhea is the one who put sothis’s heart in him/her. If Byleth was normal then chose to side with Edelgard, that wouldn’t happen.
jaredwoozy Yeah, but he didn’t know that Rhea saved/resurrected Byleth. He thought that the side effects were due to Rhea doing something negative to Byleth when he was birthed.
@@lilshokan Yes she was using you, Byleth was supposed to sit on Sothis throne and be “overtaken“ by her, loosing every sense of him/herself in the process. You, as the player character, are essentially just another experiment of Rhea, just as your mother was, with the goal of “recreating“ Sothis in mind and just as your mother, Rhea calls you a “failure“ if you don't abide her commands
@@firebluetoad3990 But she did, yes Rhea allowed you to live by placing the heart that was in your mother prior (the heart of Sothis) inside you as a baby, but as far as Rhea was concerned your mother had “failed“ in her purpose. Your mother wasn't the puppet for Sothis soul and heart, the goddes did not “reawaken“. Might as well try again, switch on meat puppet for another and see in a few years, if not, rip out the heart again and repeat the process
The Pax You’re only partly correct. At first, Rhea does only see Byleth as a vessel for Sothis, but in any route where she doesn’t die she just steps down and doesn’t interfere with them anymore, even without an S Support, so there’s no reason to say Rhea would kill Byleth if they didn’t show signs of being “overtaken” by Sothis in just a few years if Jeralt never left with them.
@@LelouchOnTwi Too much pain, too much stubbornness on each side, too much morale grey and hard decisions... conflict was inevitable and neither side is the personified evil, neither are wrong, all mean well (from a certain perspective). Tragic but necessary, the goal justifies the means, choose a side and finish the war, its all you can do
@@tiagogreenday0 Except she didn't even try it out. She completely fucked over Faerghus without bothering to talk - something she might have actually wanted to do because literally every faction has a major political power who would agree that there should be reforms in both the Church and society as a whole. Heck what's even MORE ironic is that Edelgard's entire campaign against the Church PROVED Rhea right about humans, they bit the hand the fed them for at least 3 times and Edelgard willingly became Nemesis 2.0
"Kill Edelgard!" "Rhea, I think there must be another way." "So, you're just another failure!" "What!? I'm just saying we should talk about this!" "I Will rip open your chest and take back your heart myself!" "What the crap is going on!?!?"
This issue with this comment is that Byleth never says any of this, he just flat out walks to an defend Edelgard. Not once does he say "I think there's another way" or anything about it. Not to mention he's protecting the one who just tried to steal her families hearts. In this situation, Rhea is already not in a positive state of mind and you guarding her makes her feel quite betrayed.
I mean their main formative experience involved learning the hard way that everyone around them's a bunch of traitors, including some of their own relatives, and since then it's pretty much been the two of them against the world. They were both fully expecting Byleth and the others to turn on them (with Hubert's reaction being more on the cautious/suspicious side and Edelgard being more wistful and sorta subtly trying to win you over) because betrayal is all they've ever known... which is probably why they never told anyone and ended up looking suspicious af, cue everyone assuming the worst and coming for their asses even if their original beef was strictly with Rhea. I mean there's this scene early in Claude's route where he and Edelgard are like secs away from cooperating, but since neither wants to let down their guard first and spill their story, nothing comes of it - though both have very good reasons not to be too trusting...
@@KendrixTermina I'm also sure that Claude has implied his intention to dispose Rhea were the professor not there. He is very much against the church like Edelgard, just way less prone to violence.
People arguing whether it's better to side with Edelgard or Rhea while I'm sitting here knowing the Golden Deer route basically does what Edelgard does without basically conquering an entire continent.
Light Yagami No, it would have, Claude’s entire goal from the start was to unify Fodlan and end its isolation from the outside world. Without the war, it would have gone a lot smoother.
Lukestar Ford The Church never had major control over all of Fódlan (or at least dictatorial control). Notice how the two nations loyal or at least neutral to the Church, the Leicester Alliance and Holy Kingdom of Faerghus, fractured almost immediately upon Edelgard’s declaration of war upon the Church, while the Adrestian Empire remained rather stable. If the Church had control over Fódlan like a dictatorship, the Kingdom and Alliance would not be nearly as fractured as they were in the game.
@@firebluetoad3990 you need to play the black eagle side of that when war brakes out claude is the only one keeping them from breaking apart and the church does have a hidden monopoly on the power edlguard tells you info from the first emporer of the empire that he helped the church kill the 10 heros so that the church couldn't be threatened
It takes Rhea a whole microsecond to make peace with ripping apart the person she was fussing over like a mother almost minutes ago when they say "now hold on a minute".
RIGHT?? I was so shocked when this happened (on my first playthrough no less). Meanwhile everyone is talking about how evil El is. At least Edelgard gave people chances to surrender/explain themselves. Sheesh.
@@matthewa.whiting719 I mean, the issue here is that the reason Rhea snaps is due to Byleth siding with the one who is literally stealing the hearts and blood of her siblings. Rhea is basically seeing Byleth as a second Nemesis as he now has the Sword of the Creator and is basically aiding someone in disicrateing her family once again. Rhea after 1000 years of trauma is not the most sane.
@SleepyWolf "He literally just takes two steps in their direction and she's already flipping her shizz." The way this scene is framed is quite odd as she tells you to kill her, so him taking two steps forward really shouldn't trigger her. It's an odd sequence of events that overall makes no sense in context. Rhea: Kill her! Byleth: Walks forward Rhea: How dare you? In context of the scene this make no sense whatsoever. However, when he turns in a defensive manner towards Edelgard with no extra dialogue of "I want answers", etc. "Not to mention how, I dunno, a teacher maybe kinda sorta just a little bit miiiiiiiight not want to murder their own student that they've been teaching for many months now, immediately?" I mean, Byleth in context teaches all his students, and this is the only route in which killing Edelgard becomes a problem. And in SS, this is also no issue so it becomes a situation of Byleth's willingness to kill Edelgard changes depending on what you side with. "But no, that's preposterous and he should mindlessly obey Rhea and kill his student without a second thought. She is seriously lacking in a basic understanding of human feelings and it shows." It's more that you should probably kill the one who just tried to steal the hearts of her siblings, kill the students (By what Rhea has seen, even though Edelgard pretty much noted she wasn't serious, Rhea does not know this). It's less that you should be mindlessly obedient and more in Rhea's eye, be willing to kill the one who flat out attack the students and dececrated sacred ground (something far more personal to Rhea which understandably Byleth lacks info on). It's less she has basic understanding of human feeling and more that to her, you are basically turning into another Nemesis. She's reliving her PTSD in that instance. Rhea herself is unstable and you guarding Edelgard was enough to make her relive her past. i.e Someone coming in and stealing the hearts of her siblings (and the threatening of the students could be a parallel to the massacre of the Nabateans), and then someone with her mother's power siding with said person. There is more going on here than simply "walking forward 2 steps" and "Rhea's a psycho" like people try to stand by. I of coursse expect disagreement here as not everyone shares my point of view on this matter.
I just wish there was something like a "Get Along Shirt" route where you don't have to kill ANY of these adorable characters but I guess I might as well wish for free lunch or pink Elephants
There’s apparently going to be more story content next year as DLC. Maybe we’ll get a route where all sides unite and we fight against “The Ones Who Slither in the Dark”.
CrystalTigerclaw This. I like how this feels like a more realistic fire emblem with all the death and consequences but I would love the option to get EVERYONE on my team. After all the real enemies are in the dark.
I played Golden Deer first so this choice didn't happen to me, but I always thought the church was kinda sus when Rhea was all like "execute them all so the students learn to not rebel against the church" and shit
I mean my impression was that Claude was super onto Rhea's shit (if anything he accuses her of even worse than Edelgard since he holds her responsible for all the rampant xenophobia in Fodlan - and here you thought taking in Cyril and Shamir was like, her one good quality, but then again why wouldn't she made an exception for foreigners who are explicitly her underlings? Though I doubt that Rhea actually cares about human borders or anyone's skin color, it's more a 'for us or against us' thing, since her whole motivation is extreme misanthrophy after a bunch of humans killed her family. The only good humans in her book are obedient sheep) He just uses her convenient absence to take over the church and install Byleth as a figurehead, it's made pretty transparent how he and Hilda are only playing the knights, it's a sight to behold. He only rescues her 'cause he wants info (that's almost the single scene where he sounds genuinely angry) and then he deftly points her at TWSITD so the monsters destroy each other. Not really tactics you commonly see in a hero but then Claude's coming from a place of not wanting his allies to get killed so, super interesting writing actually. He's kinda the one of the three that you could actually see as a modern-day politician. (Then again to be fair he's the only one of the 4 MCs who is pretty much a normal human so he's the only one who could actually exist in our world XD) So yeah he manages to dismantle the church's rule without dirtying his own hands too much nor having to off Cyril, Catherine and most of the knights in the process, but at the same time he only does so because he's taking opportunistic advantage of Edelgard's prior work, so it's not like his approach is 100% wholesome either. Taking in the church with Rhea still in place ended rather badly for Dimitri in the imperial route - she uses the poor guy as a meatshield and sets his capital on fire, so this is a gamble that could definitely have backfired - which is probably why Claude wisely stayed away from that particular hot potato in all the routes where he doesn't have Byleth as a bargaining chip.
I thought the same thing but at the end I thought so basically Rhea allows the people to govern themselves for the most part without really interfering unless they’re terrorizing citizens or attacking the church and in exchange she just expects people to not challenge the church and if they do they die. Strict yes but I wouldn’t call it tyrannical
Edelgard: it’s ok. you don’t have to join me just stay out of my way. Rhea: *proceeds to promise to rip out your heart, then transforms into a FUCKING DRAGON*
Choice: Kill Edelgard/Help Edelgard Byleth: I choose... Claude *turns upside down and runs away* Edelgard: O.O Rhea: O.O Hubert: I knew I always liked the Professor
Honestly Edlegard being surprised that Byleth sides with her and then asks if he/she is truly sure about siding with her makes me feel that Edlegard isn't entirely sure of starting a war as well.
I think she is passively aware that the church route was the original one writtian and her route is the alternate "Dark" route. Her entire character is, no I will absolutely conquer the entire continent or die trying.
All those comments Edelgard kept making during the Battle of Eagle and Lion weren’t even jokes 😂😂 she was just testing the waters to see how people react before she caused a real war 💀💀
She'd been saying some pretty blatant shit since the start. Like, it was always extremely suspicious, the only reason the twist works at all is that you *really* don't expect the seven foot five "Emperor" wearing an edgelord mask to be Daenerys Targaryen. Like, when you have your only conversation with the 'flame emperor' Hubert runs into you shouting about Edelgard being missing, which I initially thought was going to be a major thing, like the Lord is kidnapped at that point in every route, but was then just kind of ignored when the Flame Emperor took that second to disappear, which made it even more conspicuous. In hindsight, everyone's least favorite replyguy was making a distraction.
Ironically though, Golden Deer route had the most bloodshed in the war since it continued to become bigger and assured a mutual annihilation of Faerghus and the Empire
@@kimoota-kun That bloodshed ain't your fault. Or at least in my case, I kept deaths to minimum. I spared Ashe and killed Randolph, Ferninand, Ladislava, Ingrid, Death Knight, Hubert and Petra. Not to mention, I avoided Dedue to get killed. However, it makes me wonder what happened to the other characters I didn't kill. Were Mercedes and Bernadetta killed while the troops were retiring? Did Linhardt die by the columns of light in Fort Merceus? Did Dorothea get arrested and/or killed after the Imperial Castle was taken?
Here's the thing about Faerghus. Dimitri's fate was gonna come to him regardless. He doesn't have the MC around to keep him reined in and had no opportunity for his redemption to happen. So the kingdom getting the shaft was mainly on him chasing after the empire just to get himself killed, not because Claude wanted that to happen. The Empire, well that's gonna go down regardless unless you go the crimson flower route thanks to Edlegard's war she brought on the continent.
Ultimately the only true villians in this game are those who slither in the dark. Edelgard, Rhea, and so many others have tragic back stories you can't truely put them into the villians catagory. That said Black Eagles all the way for me for the Emporer!
Robitus Scyth eh I don’t feel bad for rhea. She let her love for her mother consume her to the point where it didn’t matter what happened to other people if they were of no use for her. There were many other failed attempts to revive her mother before Byleth. Not only that but she lied about the whole religion just to keep people under control. Those that slither in the dark are evil don’t get me wrong but rhea was an extreme that hurt so many people without care for anyone else other than her mother.
@@azureblaze8318 I agree but keep in mind it's not just her mom she lost it was basically everyone in the family she lost you could say she snapped at losing the entire family and became fixated on if she could just get her mother back that would somehow her mom could fix things for her (sadly sothis I don't think cares to return and likely did speak to her leaving it all to her).
@@robitusscyth9486Scyth which essentially made her evaluate those with crests and the relics of the highest status because they were her made from her siblings right I understand that. But following the line of thought, she probably was planning to resurrect her whole family after her mother. Possibly. Either way, I can't feel bad for her seeing how her personality does a 180 turn even more so than Dimitri's.
@@azureblaze8318 I don't feel bad for her but I can understand why she is the way she is she isn't evil but she is broken (also I doubt she was gonna rez the rest I think she figured her mom would fix it all). The more I learn of everyone's back story the whole cast seems to be broken except for Byleth and his/her Dad at the start.
@@robitusscyth9486 huh, what is Jeralt exactly? It is mentioned several times that he is a weird entity himself, possibly over 70 years of age. Then there is you who can control time to some extent. In the DLC something is going to go down involving Jeralt I can feel it in.
Comment sections like this really shows how good the story and the unique feel of leading each house really is! Depending on which house you choose, you get a unique perspective on the church, the alliance, the empire and the kingdom... It's really a matter of which house you play first, and the second two can either be viewed as alternate universes where all you know from the first playthrough doesn't exists, or as unique perspectives from another house with different views on the other factions! I'm personally in the camp of each route being it's own selfcontained story, where choices like this isn't made from knowing what you know from other routes, but ONLY from what you know by playing that route in isolation. Kinda like how situations in one route is unique, and isn't "hidden information" that you can only get from playing other houses first...
I have to side with Edelgard. She may have committed horrible things, but hearing her backstory, and how she will go many lengths to change the world even if the path is paved with blood, I just can't abandon her.
Forgive me for being on the fence on this one, especially since Edelgard is more than okay with crossing some lines to achieve her goals. That's so much blood on her hands, and the lives of people who will probably never forgive her, while it does depend on their actions and thoughts, if they were innocents who died for such goals they never knew about. That's at least something to consider before someone makes another step on the corpses made just to get there. Just remember that the dead for those innocents never asked to be torn apart while they were alive and stepped on. While some of them are persistent warriors who fight for own reasons who died, there's still those who lived their lives the best they could until it was ripped away from them. It takes a certain mentality to keep going knowing that, knowing that there will be those who will continue to attempt tear such a future down for all the blood split just to get it, the same way Edelgard did without a question. Of course Rhea isn't entirely all that as well. It has to be "their way or not at all." And there's something more to all of this than she lets on, you'd think these kinds of people would cut us a break these days.
@@leon4000 That is true but Edelgard knows all well what her actions mean and while she mercilessly marches onward, she does carry huge grief in her heart. Her biggest enemy is time, the lifespan that was robbed of her. She knows that to ensure such atrocities like the experiments never happen again, she has to enforce that change while she can. Even if it means stooping low enough to turn on people she once cared about. In many aspects she reminds me of Lelouch from Code Geass. I know full well she is no innocent but after everything she went through she needs a shoulder she can lean on. I'd happily accept all the hatred if it means I can ease her burden and that I can ensure she doesn't throw away the last remains of her humanity like she did in other routes.
@@Darkyan97 Assuming if you truly can. Once you're put to the test, It can't stop and won't stop. Even if you are face to face with the dead in some form truly pissed off at Edelgard for their lives taken directly and indirectly as a result, if someone had that ability to send them right to you. So many what ifs, so many encounters with people you know that were wronged by her. And no matter how bad you defend your actions, you know that these people wouldn't be so hateful if someone didn't start this so brutally, even if it is for a good reason and intentions. Taking the hatred on means a lot of suffering, more dealt to others that Edelgard still cares about than herself. That's a lot.
Sour Dream her mother’s power that she forced into you and your mom and 10 other people that she threw away the second they proved useless to her. Sure “family”
Sour Dream but you argued that Rhea has reasons for what she does. So does Edelgard. There isn’t supposed to be a good person because people aren’t good or bad they are just human.
Sour Dream why? Rhea is just as misguided and cold as Edelgard if not more so. Edelgard seems to dislike her actions but feel they are what needs to be done where as rhea thinks she is in the right all in the name of her mom
I wish Rhea and Edelgard had more screentime together, because they have a really interesting dynamic that the game doesn't make much use of. They're both incredibly determined women whose tragic pasts have driven them to take drastic action, even if those actions result in good people being hurt. They both work off of flawed and biased perceptions of the world, and they both share a common enemy while not being willing to work together to defeat it. They had a lot of potential to bounce off each other and this is one of the only scenes in the entire game that uses that.
When I saw this and played it, the choice was so hard. When I chose protect Edelgard, I felt bad for Rhea. But just like Jeralt said, “Watch out for Rhea.”
I get the feeling that even if Byleth had chosen Edelgard, Rhea could've kept them on their side by ordering them to arrest her alive. Killing your own student would understandably be hard, but locking them up... I'd imagine it would be much less emotionally taxing. Then again, this whole plot could've been avoided if the house leaders had spoken to each other about wanting the same thing for Fodlan.
@@730Flare Agreed, honestly, at times I was like, this sounds like Cherami, and at other times I was like, this is not Cherami. There was a war going on in my brain
Everyone here talking about how they went Crimson Flower route, while I just sit here like....I...I should just lay low, they might realize they missed one if they find out I went Silver Snow.
Rhea's reaction here definitely made it feel like Protecting Edelgard was the best choice. I know she's grieving for her mother but that's literally no excuse for what she did. She literally planted her Mother's Heart or Crest into Byleth in hope Sothis will take full control of Byleth. And when Byleth refused to Kill Edelgard the first thing she does is to attack and kill him for disobeying. Not even try to reason or ask for his side.
Marvelous Meh the reason why rhea is so quick to try to kill you is because by protecting edelgard who in rhea's eyes is apart TWSITD remember both you and jeralt both call bullshit when the flame emperor said that they do not approve of what their partner is doing and would stop if they known that info did not reach rhea's ear so by choosing to disobey rhea and protecting edelgard you are making sure that edelgard succeed in stealing her family's remains and use them against the church and the people since TWSITD give no shit about the people of Fódlan since they view them as insects and taking away her home,friends, and family well in her eyes
Rhea: How dare you! Me/Byleth: How dare you demand the obedience of humanity when time and time again you show your unworthiness of it and your hypocrisy. How dare you stand on your pedestal of privilege judging and throwing stones at anyone who doesn’t bow to you. How dare you make my mother a guinea pig of your insane experiments, how dare you twist my fathers faith the way you did. Your talk of betrayal is rich, burn in hell Rhea. My home, my family, and my friends have all been your pawns. Well today I’m fucking done being yours.
I mean the baby was dead and the mother was dying. They both would have been dead whether Rhea did anything or not. Yes, Rhea was originally selfish, but she accepted that Byleth was Byleth and not her mother, eventually, and she was okay with that. And if you've played golden deer route, you know that she wasn't just grieving for her mother. She was also grieving for her siblings, who were all killed and turned in to weapons. She watched people go into her family's graves and steal the remains of their corpses. And she didn't attack for disobeying (because you've disobeyed before in one or two missions), she attacked you for siding with someone that caused turmoil within the not just the church, but all of Fodlan. For causing countless deaths that weren't even deserved. Rhea wasn't right in all of her actions, but she's definitely not the antagonist here.
BE fans are the most defensive of their route (like Edelgard herself). Rhea is actually better person than Edelgard after having gone through all the routes. I completed CF before SS so I was almost tricked into believing Rhea was a villain. But CF only shows one side of the story and ignores Rhea's reasons for her choices and the actual good she has done. Rhea unlike Edelgard can also recognize her wrongdoings, while the latter is constantly justifying every action she takes like it's always the best. Rhea is also around two good people (Seteth and Flayn) to keep her grounded while Hubert is a cold assassin who often gets his hands dirtier than Edelgard's. If we compare their losses, Rhea lost significantly more and is consistently reminded of her dead relatives by crests and relics, but she still protected Fodlan and did not expand her power beyond its borders for over nine centuries.
Sometimes I wish Byleth was capable of delivering one-liners... "Sorry, Archbishop, but, in case you've forgotten... I took an oath to protect my students... with my very life!"
@@chongwillson972 during the full invasion *Edelgard* : I would've done done anything to make you my ally. *Byleth* : including working with those who'd raid a tomb and killed my father. You didn't just point your sword at "some goddess" you pointed it at your classmates, allies and ME
I played Golden route and already looking at the alternatives I know that for me the Golden Deer Route was the best choice, but I would have loved to save Dimitri, get Rhea to just leave me the fudge alone(cause she always somewhat creeped me out and this kinda makes it worse) and I know that Edelgard wont back down without being killed(sad :c)
Can we all just agree that Cherami Leigh's voice acting is amazing? Throughout the game, she's projected as a motherly figure, and now she's absolutely livid, and it shows. Also, something I found funny was Hubert smiling when Rhea turned into the Immaculate One
Byleth thoughts: ... Edelgard thoughts: This is it... I don't know if the professor will be by my side or if I must do this alone. But I need their support, their recognition... I hope they join me. Rhea's thoughts: *I'VE GOT AT LEAST ONE MORE DEATH THREAT IN ME!!! TONIGHT SOMEONE DIES!!!*
Edelgard knew that her decision to do this will not be met with open arms. Many people will consider her a monster, and she will surely end the lives of many and ruin the lives of many more. But she knew that she HAD to do this, even if it meant that her friends and loved ones will turn their backs on her and she would be forced to fight and kill them. So when Byleth sides with her and her friends join her, she is truly touched.
In my first playthrough, choosing Edelgard seemed like an absolute no-brainer, because Rhea had SO MANY red flags around her. After beating the game I went online to look up people discussing the game. Everyone talks like Edelgard were the villain, and I was like: "...did I miss a page?"
Genuinely how I've felt playing black eagles. Rhea was just so sus meanwhile edel seemed pretty open considering her background. Then rhea goes dragon mode and I'm like 'yep definitely picked the right side'
BE being my first playthrough, I did as much as I could to go in blind and spoiler-free. Eventually I caught wind that the route splits between the church and Edelgard, causing me much internal conflict as I enjoyed taking the time to know the quirky Church members and my own equally quirky house members. Edelgard especially as I formed a deep respect for her unwavering resolve and charisma despite her tragedies. Underneath her stoic demeanor, was a lonely girl yearning for the simple adolescence she was stripped of. As chapters progressed and knowing that war was looming however, I found myself leaning towards the Church because the thought of playing aggressor never sat right with me. "Whatever she's up to, there has to be another way," I thought to myself. Even moreso when the battle in the holy tomb occurred and the Empire set their plans in motion, I felt so betrayed by Edelgard, my star pupil, that I was personally inclined to tear through her forces and confront her and her reasonings. There was no time though, for shortly after her defeat, Rhea rushed in to quickly end the situation. Just like that, Rhea was now proclaiming me as executioner. "Kill Edelgard," she whispered. I pictured my avatar taking one last look at Edelgard as the time had finally come to make my heartbreaking decision. My instincts kicked in and deep down, my resolve intensified without a doubt as my choice was made: "I must protect Edelgard." Damn I love this game.
Sympathetic backstory or not actions speak louder than words. And Edelgard I'm sorry but your actions say you are a tyrant... I cannot side with someone like that... Turning students into monsters, siding with despicable individuals like Tomas, getting my father killed, the only person I had left. If you want to bring about hell on earth you're on your own.
@@td984that's probably true true I zoned out a few times, but the point was both are still bad. Also Rhea has been suppressing other religions via murder for however long she's been in charge so either way her kill counts isn't exactly small.
Bradley primeau Rhea is at least willing to step down and leave the church in your more capable hands, and if you support with her she owns up to her wrong doings and says she probably deserves to die.
She didn't actually order Jeralt's death. That was something those who slither did on their own. She also doesn't use monsters at all when you side with her. Instead it's Dedue who is driven to that point of desperation. Once Edelgard becomes ruler, she uses her power to end the nobility system and the inheritance of titles. Finally when all that is done and Those That Slither in the Dark are wiped out, she abdicates the throne to a successor proven to have the proper qualifications of a just ruler and moves on to live the remainder of her life in peace....Yeah she's really not all that tyrannical. Rhea meanwhile has been preaching a false history for over one thousand years to keep the people following her teachings and anyone who questions those teachings ends up dead. I'd much rather throw my lot in with Edelgard and do my part to make sure she stays honest and true to the ideals she originally started with. The deciding factor of this war is really Byleth. His/Her influence ultimately keeps the leaders of each house honest and sane even through the worst of times. The one exception to this is Rhea herself, who had already committed the worst of her crimes by the time she met Byleth and at best can be made to seem more sympathetic as she begins to see the error of her ways and regrets many of her choices.
DevilHunter1994 The more accurate point would be to say she stopped using monsters after you side with her. She was still using them before the branching paths. She is a tyrant without Byleth as a crutch. It is because of them that she retains some humanity. Any route other route has her become much worse. And end doesn’t justify the means. She’s built her empire on a mountain of corpses. If Rhea was given the chance to start over and do things differently she might. Edelgard is so set in her ways despite how much she supposedly hates them that she’d do it again 100 times over if need be even if one if not both of her so called friends have to die for it. Demitri (And Dedue to an extent) go over the deep end because of her by siding with the people who killed his family and by the timeskip the guy has nothing left.
I believe the options differ if you join her when she takes a detour to the Empire (by talking to her during an explore weekend). If you choose not to go with her, I was given the "kill" and "...." option. I assume if you choose to join her on the trip, then those options will change to kill/protect
Rhea snapping if you side with Edie here reminds me of Mr. House in New Vegas if you tell him no. Two incredibly old autocrats who are not remotely used to people disagreeing with them on any level
"Yes, the monsters that have controlled Fódlan in secret for far too long." For Sothis' sake, Edelgard, you literally allied with Those Who Slither In The Dark, the ones responsible for everything and the literal monsters who control Fódlan in secret.
Nega Y. Gear I get she felt she needed to from her perspective, but objectively speaking she never actually needed to declare war on Rhea to begin with since TWSITD were the true enemy the whole time.
The third choice should be either Smash or walking away from both. Smash because of what happened last time. And walking away for how the professor is visibly frustrated with the both sides and just leaves to do his own thing.
Rhea: Kill Edelgard! Edelgard: No! Kill Rhea! Hubert: Yes! Kill Rhea! Byleth: You know what? Fuck all of you! I’m going to go open an ice cream shop instead!
I very much love Edelgard, and I hate to hurt or betray her, but I feel I have to. She kills in the name of peace, she fights those who she disagrees with. I wholeheartedly believe she is partially responsible for Jeralt’s death. She killed her step-brother, she throws her friend’s in front of her in battle even though they’ll die, she kills mercilessly and had the audacity to act like she’s a victim. Rhea isn’t perfect, but after all she’s done for Byleth, for those she cares about, I want to side with her. Jeralt said not to trust her, but I see no reason not to. She loved Byleth because they’re intertwined with her mother. From what I’ve learned, she’s pretty much Byleth’s grandmother. I feel I could never betray her. But I’ll still side with Edelgard just ‘cause I love her. Edit: pftftfttftftf I just realized, Edelgard hired Kostas (the bandit at the beginning of the game) to kill Claude and Dimitri.
I mean, not really with forcing her father off the throne... it was apparent he was near his death bed so she came to him seeking his blessing to become coronated and ascend the Adrestian Throne
rhea just freaks me out. i mean... she experimented on humans who presumably had their own will and free thought to try and bring her mom back to life. like, it's implied sothis taking control of byleth would wipe out their existence as a seperate entity. not to mention knowing about the artifical crest experiments and letting them continue when it resulted in a lotta death and suffering. maybe it's less loathsome than starting a war on the church, but i feel like edelgard's motives come from a place of good intentions, while rhea's seem more selfish. but that's just me, i'm not arguing that one has the moral high ground. tl/dr rhea gives me the creeps and that's what motivates my decisions lmao
soma. Yeah, Rhea can be pretty creepy. And you’re right, Edelgard does do what she does for reasons that are a bit more selfless. That’s kind of also why I side with Edelgard
@@shadestained I just assumed that Rhea's experiments were only done on people who were going to die (or in Byleth's case, was already dead) regardless given how Jeralt ended up gaining his crest and the fact that it seemed as though Byleth's mother wasn't exactly scrambling to leave a tormentor, which to me puts it in a less negative light.
While there was definitely some misinformation on Edelgard’s end in regards to the church (Nemesis), she wasn’t wrong about a lot of things as well. By symbolizing crests as some blessing from Sothis, they have allowed the nobles to become complacent in their own greed while doing nothing to force the nobles back in line.
Fire Blue Toad you do realize that medieval religions were heavily involved in the political affairs of territories, right? Considering the time period, it is very much part of their job to prevent this kind of thing from happening (if it were like a modern religion, I’d probably be telling a different story)
Mojo1356 The leaders/governments of each country is responsible for keeping their nobles in line, even the real life medieval Church didn’t involve itself in every noble squabble. Besides, the nobles don’t listen to the Church. Their system of inheritance directly goes against the Church’s teachings. And trying to force them to do so wholesale could be called totalitarian. They are more likely to listen to their actual leaders, the ones who are supposed to have power over them. The Empire’s nobles are all too eager to listen to Edelgard when she goes to war. And the Kingdom’s nobles seemed to fall in line under Dimitri when he reclaimed Fhirdiad and his mantle as King.
Fire Blue Toad while that may be true in the case if the... actually, that’s pretty far off. The nobles in the empire were split in regards to Edelgard, and the Kingdom nobles had to follow the church rules (it was part of the deal to secede from the empire). Also, you do know that medieval religions purged those that defied church teachings, right? While the land’s leaders play a large role in keeping the nobles in line, you are underselling the church’s power to the worst degree by saying they hold no power over them (why do you think nobles value crests so much? It’s because the church’s teachings were that crests are to be treasured).
@@Mojo1356 The nobles in the Empire were split yes, but Edelgard put the nobles who did oppose her all under house arrest quite easily. The Kingdom nobles didn't have to follow the Church's rules, so far I haven't seen anything in the game that states that the Kingdom had to make the Church their state religion, despite their name. "Also you do know the medieval religions purged those who didn't follow the Church's teachings right?" Only within their jurisdiction. Rhea does not just kill those who merely don't believe in the Church's teachings. Shamir, Cyril, and Petra can attest to that. The only real example of executions by Rhea come from the deplorable Western Church, who tried to grave rob and incite a noble to go to war against the Central Church for more power, and because the Central Church was too inclusive for their liking. "Why do you think nobles value crests so much? It's because the Church teached that they are to be treasured" That doesn't give the nobles the license to abuse them. Even if the crests didn't exist, the rotten nobles would find some other way to abuse their power. It's in human nature. Again, I stated the Church teached against abusing crests this way, it's in the library. But many of the nobles obviously don't care about that. That doesn't speak well to the idea that the Church has the influence and authority to police the nobles.
I really loved this scene because damn Rhea's anger really got me. Especially, "I have passed judgement, and now I shall rip your chest open and take back your heart myself!" boy, that gave me MAJOR creeps.
Before the time skip, Rhea never looks to Byleth as a person, only a pet project to resurrect mother dearest. It's like building a PC, thinking that the PC works as expected, and then the PC doesn't work at all or does an "illegal operation".
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props to the actress voicing Rhea, she is terrifying when angry.
Mr. Ditkovich Cherami Leigh is an amazing voice actress 💖
@@stanmissletainn5811 You're mistaken. Ash's voice actor is the one who voiced Manuela, not Rhea.
Faez I was misinformed
Whoever it is her voice gives me the chills
Especially when her eyes goes like this 1:11
Makoto from Persona 5 is voiced by the same voice actress!
Byleth: I'm going to protect Edelgard.
*Hubert teleport in and backstabs Byleth*
Edelgard: What the F Hubert!, the professor was on our side!
Hubert: ....oh....whoops...
Hubert would do that
Yeah, it kinda hurt.
Porfessor byleth ouch
*Divine Pulse*
Byleth: “Alright, I change my mind. Kill them both.”
@@porfessorbyleth9600
Very much
*This decision will dramatically change the story.*
Well as if I didn't have enough damn pressure on myself already!
I didn’t know what it meant by that to start so imagine my surprise when everyone started dying in like 3 hours of my time.
Well no worries, its the only other decision in the game that matters outside of classic mode
DewwyDewott Do you know what would have happen if you were to choose to stay at the monastery instead of choosing to accompany Edelgard to Enbarr? I already finished the Edelgard route with having accompanied her (and having S ranked her too)
@@anomallie you'd side with the church of seiros and essentially, go down the same timeline the other routes went down, where you go to war with edlegarde
@@Otw835 it's the every leader dies and nobody learns and nothing changes route
As a member the golden deer this scene simply doesn’t exist
We get the happiest ending...ish.
Dimitri with Claude living is also happy-ish.
well yeah since you didn't pick her house xD
So if you pick her house do the three house leaders get to live?
@@DeVon675
No
@@DeVon675 No one survives every ending. All the leaders die in Claudes, you can spare Claude in the other 2. That's the best part of 3H. No perfectly fantasy happy endings exist.
Rhea: “Kill Edelgard”
Byleth: “I couldn’t. I shouldn’t”
Rhea: “Dew it”
Byleth: *kills Edelgard*
Rhea: Attaboy.
Byleth: She was unarmed. I shouldn't have done that. It's not the way.
Rhea: She was too dangerous to be left alive.
actually, this is my reaction...
In the end..
Byleth: you where the chosen one it said you destory evil not join them
@@GOJOKNOWSBALL
I HATE YOU!!
@@esteban8471 Rhea: It is only natural. She killed your father (kinda), you wanted revenge.
And if you leave the Church:
Rhea: It's treason, then.
Rhea : Such a rebellious heart cannot be allowed to keep beating.
Byleth (who doesn't have a heart beat) : Screw it.
Byleth: That's able-ist.
"Oh, that TEARS it! You are so gonna die for that one, Rhea"
I love how Edelgard and Seteth are like “it’s ok if you don’t want to do this” then there’s Rhea who literally loses her mind
Maybe you are just stupid nur rhea and Seteth hate you because you stole their mothers heart and bones.
@@sakutaro3musik486 dude chill out. No need to be so rude.
Sakutaro〈3musik seteth despises Byleth if he goes crimson flower, but he doesn’t go sicko mode like rhea
@@XGame80 he wasn't There when Nemesis killed all the Nabateans. Rhea was the only surviver of the Red Canyon tragedie, she hatet Nemesis the most and seing Byleth who she loves and trusted to become a 2nd Nemesis just triggered her trauma and all these feelings came back
Sakutaro〈3musik I know that, but still. Rhea is the one who put sothis’s heart in him/her. If Byleth was normal then chose to side with Edelgard, that wouldn’t happen.
3rd option: CAN'T WE TALK ABOUT THIS LIKE ADULTS!?
That's not how humanity works
Rhea and Edelgard in unison : "NO."
The adult thing is to kill your enemies before they bring harm to those one must protect. So Edelgard must die, to spare the world of her ways.
true 3rd option: I wonder if it's too late to call Dimitri and Claude and tell them to help me kill these 2
Both Rhea and Edelgard are the "no we can not talk about this like adults" achatypes. They actually have no inherent conflict with each other.
Remember what Jeralt said at the very beginning everyone:
"Watch out for Rhea."
And that's why I sided with Edelgard.
Plus my loyalty.
jaredwoozy Yeah, but he didn’t know that Rhea saved/resurrected Byleth. He thought that the side effects were due to Rhea doing something negative to Byleth when he was birthed.
@@lilshokan Yes she was using you, Byleth was supposed to sit on Sothis throne and be “overtaken“ by her, loosing every sense of him/herself in the process.
You, as the player character, are essentially just another experiment of Rhea, just as your mother was, with the goal of “recreating“ Sothis in mind and just as your mother, Rhea calls you a “failure“ if you don't abide her commands
@@firebluetoad3990 But she did, yes Rhea allowed you to live by placing the heart that was in your mother prior (the heart of Sothis) inside you as a baby, but as far as Rhea was concerned your mother had “failed“ in her purpose. Your mother wasn't the puppet for Sothis soul and heart, the goddes did not “reawaken“. Might as well try again, switch on meat puppet for another and see in a few years, if not, rip out the heart again and repeat the process
The Pax You’re only partly correct. At first, Rhea does only see Byleth as a vessel for Sothis, but in any route where she doesn’t die she just steps down and doesn’t interfere with them anymore, even without an S Support, so there’s no reason to say Rhea would kill Byleth if they didn’t show signs of being “overtaken” by Sothis in just a few years if Jeralt never left with them.
i don t remember that Palutena was so muderous
But she was. Thanks to the Chaos Kin
LOL. Viridi > Palutena anyway
Palutena just has no qualms about abusing her powers. She is plenty murderous. Actually, less murderous and more apathetic to the plight of mortals.
That's not Palutena, it's Rhea. I understand the confusion. You get the Greek deities confused.
@@switchspeedster2671 One of her battle quotes in KI:U is:
"It's time for a sacrifice!"
1:09 she gave them the "PATHETIC" death stare
Now you know she means business.
*It was like she was looking at walking garbage*
Soon we'll see her do the Boa Hancock pose.
Lol made two save files because this part😂
That was the moment I knew I made the right decision...Those were not the eyes of a sane woman.
“There will be countless casualties”
You don’t say
Well. More for Hel to throw at Kiran.
More like pointless casualties, why can't they just talk this over?
@@LelouchOnTwi not everything is resolved with talking, sometimes fights are inevitable
@@LelouchOnTwi Too much pain, too much stubbornness on each side, too much morale grey and hard decisions... conflict was inevitable and neither side is the personified evil, neither are wrong, all mean well (from a certain perspective).
Tragic but necessary, the goal justifies the means, choose a side and finish the war, its all you can do
@@tiagogreenday0 Except she didn't even try it out. She completely fucked over Faerghus without bothering to talk - something she might have actually wanted to do because literally every faction has a major political power who would agree that there should be reforms in both the Church and society as a whole. Heck what's even MORE ironic is that Edelgard's entire campaign against the Church PROVED Rhea right about humans, they bit the hand the fed them for at least 3 times and Edelgard willingly became Nemesis 2.0
"Kill Edelgard!"
"Rhea, I think there must be another way."
"So, you're just another failure!"
"What!? I'm just saying we should talk about this!"
"I Will rip open your chest and take back your heart myself!"
"What the crap is going on!?!?"
Right?
What heart
Definitely shows how unstable she is. That being said, she's mostly not evil until this point.
This issue with this comment is that Byleth never says any of this, he just flat out walks to an defend Edelgard. Not once does he say "I think there's another way" or anything about it. Not to mention he's protecting the one who just tried to steal her families hearts. In this situation, Rhea is already not in a positive state of mind and you guarding her makes her feel quite betrayed.
Yeah, I think if I had picked Edelgard’s route I wouldn’t have killed her and just wanted it to be chill about it.
And another thing, it’s oddly wholesome how Edelgard and Hubert actually feel genuinely grateful for choosing their side and not Rhea
Yeah it is. I mean since you are rhea's kin, even tho they want you they know you are likely to side against them.
I mean their main formative experience involved learning the hard way that everyone around them's a bunch of traitors, including some of their own relatives, and since then it's pretty much been the two of them against the world.
They were both fully expecting Byleth and the others to turn on them (with Hubert's reaction being more on the cautious/suspicious side and Edelgard being more wistful and sorta subtly trying to win you over) because betrayal is all they've ever known... which is probably why they never told anyone and ended up looking suspicious af, cue everyone assuming the worst and coming for their asses even if their original beef was strictly with Rhea.
I mean there's this scene early in Claude's route where he and Edelgard are like secs away from cooperating, but since neither wants to let down their guard first and spill their story, nothing comes of it - though both have very good reasons not to be too trusting...
I find Byleth's smile to be so adorable when he comes aboard and faces Rhea.
@@edelgardvonhresvelg372 Its smug, cheeky and at the same time kind of content... I just adore that little smile
@@KendrixTermina I'm also sure that Claude has implied his intention to dispose Rhea were the professor not there. He is very much against the church like Edelgard, just way less prone to violence.
Nintendo sure love evil motherly figures that look at you with disappointment.
I'm into it
Rhea's not evil
@@d3ly746 she is on El's route
That's my fetish
Probably because in Japan fanilies really be like that. Their version of "boomers" are a lot more strict lol
Two things.
1. I did not see this coming at all.
2. Rhea is scary when she is pissed.
She's been pissed in the story at earlier points too.
@@Delivery-Witch-Express true
Jeralt felt the same way
He tried to warm you...Twice
Yuerey8 And then he says “Maybe we shouldn’t have left the monastery in the first place” before he dies. So not really a good point.
She is as fucked up as Dimitri, just several hundreds of years more of experience.
Should be a third choice to Settle it in Smash lol 😂
SweetnSourSoren
Wait a minute... what if?
If we get a three houses rep in dlc pack 2 and that’s how they do the trailer, it will be the greatest day of my life
I can’t choose....
--> JOIN SMASH BROS, AS THE LAST DLC FIGHTER
@@sethhowell3067 Byleth: DLC character. House Leaders : Mii costume
welp... this has sure aged well.
Rhea: How dare you!!
Me: I’m sorry Rhea! I wanna see the other routes!
😂😂😂😂
In my case it was...
Me: I'm sorry Rhea! This is the only way I can marry Hubert! And I don't wanna be archbishop!!!
@@AlessaParker That's fair; I married him too X3c
Me: I don't care Rhea i never like you.
Yall talking bout marriage im here like can i see their classes please
My god... Rhea's voice actress is a queen
Funny you mention that, considering she voices the "Queen" in Persona 5.
@@Averi0 Lol. XD
Makoto is best girl in that game.
Female V 2077
People arguing whether it's better to side with Edelgard or Rhea while I'm sitting here knowing the Golden Deer route basically does what Edelgard does without basically conquering an entire continent.
It wouldn't have happened without the war
Light Yagami No, it would have, Claude’s entire goal from the start was to unify Fodlan and end its isolation from the outside world. Without the war, it would have gone a lot smoother.
Fire Blue Toad no it wouldn’t. The church would have still been in control like a dictatorship.
Lukestar Ford The Church never had major control over all of Fódlan (or at least dictatorial control). Notice how the two nations loyal or at least neutral to the Church, the Leicester Alliance and Holy Kingdom of Faerghus, fractured almost immediately upon Edelgard’s declaration of war upon the Church, while the Adrestian Empire remained rather stable. If the Church had control over Fódlan like a dictatorship, the Kingdom and Alliance would not be nearly as fractured as they were in the game.
@@firebluetoad3990 you need to play the black eagle side of that when war brakes out claude is the only one keeping them from breaking apart and the church does have a hidden monopoly on the power edlguard tells you info from the first emporer of the empire that he helped the church kill the 10 heros so that the church couldn't be threatened
It takes Rhea a whole microsecond to make peace with ripping apart the person she was fussing over like a mother almost minutes ago when they say "now hold on a minute".
RIGHT?? I was so shocked when this happened (on my first playthrough no less). Meanwhile everyone is talking about how evil El is. At least Edelgard gave people chances to surrender/explain themselves. Sheesh.
@@matthewa.whiting719 I mean, the issue here is that the reason Rhea snaps is due to Byleth siding with the one who is literally stealing the hearts and blood of her siblings. Rhea is basically seeing Byleth as a second Nemesis as he now has the Sword of the Creator and is basically aiding someone in disicrateing her family once again. Rhea after 1000 years of trauma is not the most sane.
@SleepyWolf "He literally just takes two steps in their direction and she's already flipping her shizz."
The way this scene is framed is quite odd as she tells you to kill her, so him taking two steps forward really shouldn't trigger her. It's an odd sequence of events that overall makes no sense in context.
Rhea: Kill her!
Byleth: Walks forward
Rhea: How dare you?
In context of the scene this make no sense whatsoever. However, when he turns in a defensive manner towards Edelgard with no extra dialogue of "I want answers", etc.
"Not to mention how, I dunno, a teacher maybe kinda sorta just a little bit miiiiiiiight not want to murder their own student that they've been teaching for many months now, immediately?"
I mean, Byleth in context teaches all his students, and this is the only route in which killing Edelgard becomes a problem. And in SS, this is also no issue so it becomes a situation of Byleth's willingness to kill Edelgard changes depending on what you side with.
"But no, that's preposterous and he should mindlessly obey Rhea and kill his student without a second thought.
She is seriously lacking in a basic understanding of human feelings and it shows."
It's more that you should probably kill the one who just tried to steal the hearts of her siblings, kill the students (By what Rhea has seen, even though Edelgard pretty much noted she wasn't serious, Rhea does not know this). It's less that you should be mindlessly obedient and more in Rhea's eye, be willing to kill the one who flat out attack the students and dececrated sacred ground (something far more personal to Rhea which understandably Byleth lacks info on). It's less she has basic understanding of human feeling and more that to her, you are basically turning into another Nemesis. She's reliving her PTSD in that instance. Rhea herself is unstable and you guarding Edelgard was enough to make her relive her past. i.e Someone coming in and stealing the hearts of her siblings (and the threatening of the students could be a parallel to the massacre of the Nabateans), and then someone with her mother's power siding with said person. There is more going on here than simply "walking forward 2 steps" and "Rhea's a psycho" like people try to stand by.
I of coursse expect disagreement here as not everyone shares my point of view on this matter.
@@dragonmasterxyz3544
I would snap as well if anyone crossed me like that.
Let's not forget that Edelgard is stealing the hearts and bones of rheas breathrens. I would snap too
Edelgard: I understand and I’m sorry we’re enemies now
Rhea: I’ll kill you and dance on your grave!!!
Edelgard: And everyone says I’m the unreasonable one.
@@kevinchang617she is
I just wish there was something like a "Get Along Shirt" route where you don't have to kill ANY of these adorable characters but I guess I might as well wish for free lunch or pink Elephants
How about a "Actually communicate like reasonable people who don't want to be monsters just to find a better path, shirt."?
There’s apparently going to be more story content next year as DLC. Maybe we’ll get a route where all sides unite and we fight against “The Ones Who Slither in the Dark”.
Wait till wave 4 or 5?
CrystalTigerclaw This. I like how this feels like a more realistic fire emblem with all the death and consequences but I would love the option to get EVERYONE on my team. After all the real enemies are in the dark.
There's gonna be a brand new dlc story so....
I played Golden Deer first so this choice didn't happen to me, but I always thought the church was kinda sus when Rhea was all like "execute them all so the students learn to not rebel against the church" and shit
That's why when rhea was like kill edelgard I was like "i know edelgard,she must be attacking the church for a good reason.
I mean my impression was that Claude was super onto Rhea's shit (if anything he accuses her of even worse than Edelgard since he holds her responsible for all the rampant xenophobia in Fodlan - and here you thought taking in Cyril and Shamir was like, her one good quality, but then again why wouldn't she made an exception for foreigners who are explicitly her underlings? Though I doubt that Rhea actually cares about human borders or anyone's skin color, it's more a 'for us or against us' thing, since her whole motivation is extreme misanthrophy after a bunch of humans killed her family. The only good humans in her book are obedient sheep)
He just uses her convenient absence to take over the church and install Byleth as a figurehead, it's made pretty transparent how he and Hilda are only playing the knights, it's a sight to behold. He only rescues her 'cause he wants info (that's almost the single scene where he sounds genuinely angry) and then he deftly points her at TWSITD so the monsters destroy each other.
Not really tactics you commonly see in a hero but then Claude's coming from a place of not wanting his allies to get killed so, super interesting writing actually. He's kinda the one of the three that you could actually see as a modern-day politician. (Then again to be fair he's the only one of the 4 MCs who is pretty much a normal human so he's the only one who could actually exist in our world XD)
So yeah he manages to dismantle the church's rule without dirtying his own hands too much nor having to off Cyril, Catherine and most of the knights in the process, but at the same time he only does so because he's taking opportunistic advantage of Edelgard's prior work, so it's not like his approach is 100% wholesome either.
Taking in the church with Rhea still in place ended rather badly for Dimitri in the imperial route - she uses the poor guy as a meatshield and sets his capital on fire, so this is a gamble that could definitely have backfired - which is probably why Claude wisely stayed away from that particular hot potato in all the routes where he doesn't have Byleth as a bargaining chip.
@@KendrixTermina This is exactly why Claude is my favorite of the three lords.
@@fatcthulhu4904 Not really
I thought the same thing but at the end I thought so basically Rhea allows the people to govern themselves for the most part without really interfering unless they’re terrorizing citizens or attacking the church and in exchange she just expects people to not challenge the church and if they do they die. Strict yes but I wouldn’t call it tyrannical
Edelgard: it’s ok. you don’t have to join me just stay out of my way.
Rhea: *proceeds to promise to rip out your heart, then transforms into a FUCKING DRAGON*
Choice: Kill Edelgard/Help Edelgard
Byleth: I choose... Claude *turns upside down and runs away*
Edelgard: O.O
Rhea: O.O
Hubert: I knew I always liked the Professor
Gotta love Hubert!
I feel like this is referencing something. I also can't hear it without the "Skedaddle" sound effect.
watching this when byleth betrayed lady rhea it feels like you betrayed your mom and she lashes out and turns into a dragon
Your mom turns into a dragon, too? I thought I was the only one.
Naga: tiki kill robin
Tiki: no
Naga: *angry dragon mom noises*
@@lilshokan Naga never had problems with Robin, just Grima who is an abomination made from her own blood by some madman
She's actually technically your mom but also not really
don't mind it. Rhea abused Byleth's body to carry her mother.
Honestly Edlegard being surprised that Byleth sides with her and then asks if he/she is truly sure about siding with her makes me feel that Edlegard isn't entirely sure of starting a war as well.
I think she is passively aware that the church route was the original one writtian and her route is the alternate "Dark" route. Her entire character is, no I will absolutely conquer the entire continent or die trying.
No she's sure. She just literally couldn't believe that Byleth would join her
I mean she said that was her entire goal from the get-go in the final battle, so...
@@brendancoulter5761
That would mean that Edelgard's knowledge is 4th wall breaking.
@@Ninjaananas Yeah thats the joke. That I apparently made, 2 years ago.
All those comments Edelgard kept making during the Battle of Eagle and Lion weren’t even jokes 😂😂 she was just testing the waters to see how people react before she caused a real war 💀💀
ehehe
and she plan assasinate dimitri and claude
@@sugoiboyxl8345 withouth context, that can be taken in many different ways
Oh-
She'd been saying some pretty blatant shit since the start. Like, it was always extremely suspicious, the only reason the twist works at all is that you *really* don't expect the seven foot five "Emperor" wearing an edgelord mask to be Daenerys Targaryen. Like, when you have your only conversation with the 'flame emperor' Hubert runs into you shouting about Edelgard being missing, which I initially thought was going to be a major thing, like the Lord is kidnapped at that point in every route, but was then just kind of ignored when the Flame Emperor took that second to disappear, which made it even more conspicuous. In hindsight, everyone's least favorite replyguy was making a distraction.
Should have picked Golden Deer we don't have all this drama.
Ironically though, Golden Deer route had the most bloodshed in the war since it continued to become bigger and assured a mutual annihilation of Faerghus and the Empire
Deer also had that agarthans
@@kimoota-kun That bloodshed ain't your fault. Or at least in my case, I kept deaths to minimum. I spared Ashe and killed Randolph, Ferninand, Ladislava, Ingrid, Death Knight, Hubert and Petra. Not to mention, I avoided Dedue to get killed.
However, it makes me wonder what happened to the other characters I didn't kill. Were Mercedes and Bernadetta killed while the troops were retiring? Did Linhardt die by the columns of light in Fort Merceus? Did Dorothea get arrested and/or killed after the Imperial Castle was taken?
Here's the thing about Faerghus. Dimitri's fate was gonna come to him regardless. He doesn't have the MC around to keep him reined in and had no opportunity for his redemption to happen. So the kingdom getting the shaft was mainly on him chasing after the empire just to get himself killed, not because Claude wanted that to happen. The Empire, well that's gonna go down regardless unless you go the crimson flower route thanks to Edlegard's war she brought on the continent.
@@kellyjohana516 Caspar and Linhardt got nuked by an ICBM lmao
I invested too much time making Edelgard a Wyvern Lord to leave her for Rhea.
Jose Carlos Nolasco Rivera LoL I made her my dancer.
@@ericx6969 nah at the point I was like welp....... I am going to slay a dragon. Then I happily wore the banner of eagle.
Another reason why church route is poop.
My first run on maddening was Serios route and I thought we’d get to use Rhea but nope. Fernidad was my second best character 😬
@@birdmanjaber3135You were supposed to use Seteth bruh
Waddup my Golden Deer squad
Retierashia ayeeeeeee
‘Sup
Sorry blue lion
What's up!!!! :D
Reeeee
Can someone please make a compilation video of the scenes with Rhea just raging?
@SleepyWolf ba-dm tss
@SleepyWolf *laugh track*
SleepyWolf *Seinfield track plays*
Me/Byleth: Can't we all just get along?
Dimitri, Edelgard and Rhea: No!
Me/Byleth: *:(*
Claude: I can.
Me/Byleth: *:D*
honestly, this is 100% true
Ignatz, Lorenz, & manuela in the background: *Plays Fairytale theme song*
Me and Claude are sitting here Enjoying Tea as y’all fight over who was right
trying to raise your Charm stat while everyone is fighting?
The Warrior of Chocobos Indeed
@@CompassRoseCreates don't mind if i just sit back and relax too. perhaps i should had brought popcorn...
Allow me to join you, my comrade. I hope you won't mind the extra company. *hangs upside down*
Of course
It's so he could gain the favour of the winner and destroy racism
0:58 Hubert just abracadadoodled out of nowhere
Bloodyking dragon
SHING
Why can't he do that in battle though.... :C
@@estreawilliams He only has enough power for two jumps probably.
@@Jarock316 lol yes. Lore teleports.
For some odd reason I the sfx used for it
Cherami Leigh is one of the the best actors in the cast, and she really creates Rhea as a complex character
Ultimately the only true villians in this game are those who slither in the dark. Edelgard, Rhea, and so many others have tragic back stories you can't truely put them into the villians catagory. That said Black Eagles all the way for me for the Emporer!
Robitus Scyth eh I don’t feel bad for rhea. She let her love for her mother consume her to the point where it didn’t matter what happened to other people if they were of no use for her. There were many other failed attempts to revive her mother before Byleth. Not only that but she lied about the whole religion just to keep people under control. Those that slither in the dark are evil don’t get me wrong but rhea was an extreme that hurt so many people without care for anyone else other than her mother.
@@azureblaze8318 I agree but keep in mind it's not just her mom she lost it was basically everyone in the family she lost you could say she snapped at losing the entire family and became fixated on if she could just get her mother back that would somehow her mom could fix things for her (sadly sothis I don't think cares to return and likely did speak to her leaving it all to her).
@@robitusscyth9486Scyth which essentially made her evaluate those with crests and the relics of the highest status because they were her made from her siblings right I understand that. But following the line of thought, she probably was planning to resurrect her whole family after her mother. Possibly. Either way, I can't feel bad for her seeing how her personality does a 180 turn even more so than Dimitri's.
@@azureblaze8318 I don't feel bad for her but I can understand why she is the way she is she isn't evil but she is broken (also I doubt she was gonna rez the rest I think she figured her mom would fix it all). The more I learn of everyone's back story the whole cast seems to be broken except for Byleth and his/her Dad at the start.
@@robitusscyth9486 huh, what is Jeralt exactly? It is mentioned several times that he is a weird entity himself, possibly over 70 years of age. Then there is you who can control time to some extent. In the DLC something is going to go down involving Jeralt I can feel it in.
“This decision will dramatically change the story”
That never appeared during the blue lions route, wtf
Dude the Black Eagles story line have 2 routes but you won't have a choose if you don't follow certain instructions.
Alphae Williams
“That never happened during the blue lions route.”
Blue lions.
Blue lions. Not Black eAgLEs 🙃
@@adamhawks3460 I know, Dimitri went John wick on those Soilders when he found out who she was.
Alphae Williams Ans there was no arching choice that split the story in two. That was my point.
@@adamhawks3460 he was saying BE has two routes, and BL and GD don't (Not sure with GD) which explains why you didn't have any choice like this
I love the detail of Byleth smiling when defending Edelgard. It's honestly nice.
It looks like I am the only one here from the Blue Lions house! I STAN Dimitri!
or your like me who is on new game plus trying to finish all three houses and now I know theres another route that I have to find
At least the BL get that epic scene where Dmitri goes sicko mode on Edelgard
I chose blue liones as Well but i feel like BL is the path Where you missed the most
Blue Lions house represent!
I’m a blue lion. My friend is in blue lions with me and we love dimitri
I just noticed how when you choose to side with Edelgard, Hubert finally shows his kinder side towards you
El and Hubert being shocked and expressing their gratitude to you when you side with them, I love it
Rhea's voice actor is amazing
That's Cherami Leigh you're talking about.
@@durandlewis1382
I'm scared of Caeda now.
Comment sections like this really shows how good the story and the unique feel of leading each house really is!
Depending on which house you choose, you get a unique perspective on the church, the alliance, the empire and the kingdom... It's really a matter of which house you play first, and the second two can either be viewed as alternate universes where all you know from the first playthrough doesn't exists, or as unique perspectives from another house with different views on the other factions!
I'm personally in the camp of each route being it's own selfcontained story, where choices like this isn't made from knowing what you know from other routes, but ONLY from what you know by playing that route in isolation. Kinda like how situations in one route is unique, and isn't "hidden information" that you can only get from playing other houses first...
Byleth: I must defend Edelgard
Rhea: So you have chosen death
I have to side with Edelgard. She may have committed horrible things, but hearing her backstory, and how she will go many lengths to change the world even if the path is paved with blood, I just can't abandon her.
She kinda gives me a sort of tragic Alm vibe. She wants to better the world but of course people are going to dislike her idea so she uses force
I am terribly weak for tragic heroine
Forgive me for being on the fence on this one, especially since Edelgard is more than okay with crossing some lines to achieve her goals. That's so much blood on her hands, and the lives of people who will probably never forgive her, while it does depend on their actions and thoughts, if they were innocents who died for such goals they never knew about. That's at least something to consider before someone makes another step on the corpses made just to get there. Just remember that the dead for those innocents never asked to be torn apart while they were alive and stepped on. While some of them are persistent warriors who fight for own reasons who died, there's still those who lived their lives the best they could until it was ripped away from them. It takes a certain mentality to keep going knowing that, knowing that there will be those who will continue to attempt tear such a future down for all the blood split just to get it, the same way Edelgard did without a question.
Of course Rhea isn't entirely all that as well. It has to be "their way or not at all." And there's something more to all of this than she lets on, you'd think these kinds of people would cut us a break these days.
@@leon4000 That is true but Edelgard knows all well what her actions mean and while she mercilessly marches onward, she does carry huge grief in her heart. Her biggest enemy is time, the lifespan that was robbed of her. She knows that to ensure such atrocities like the experiments never happen again, she has to enforce that change while she can. Even if it means stooping low enough to turn on people she once cared about. In many aspects she reminds me of Lelouch from Code Geass. I know full well she is no innocent but after everything she went through she needs a shoulder she can lean on. I'd happily accept all the hatred if it means I can ease her burden and that I can ensure she doesn't throw away the last remains of her humanity like she did in other routes.
@@Darkyan97 Assuming if you truly can. Once you're put to the test, It can't stop and won't stop. Even if you are face to face with the dead in some form truly pissed off at Edelgard for their lives taken directly and indirectly as a result, if someone had that ability to send them right to you. So many what ifs, so many encounters with people you know that were wronged by her. And no matter how bad you defend your actions, you know that these people wouldn't be so hateful if someone didn't start this so brutally, even if it is for a good reason and intentions. Taking the hatred on means a lot of suffering, more dealt to others that Edelgard still cares about than herself. That's a lot.
I definitely picked 'Protect Edelgard, worried how it would affect the story and if I screwed up.... then saw Rhea go nuts. I made the right choice.
@Daniel S. Yep
Nah they're both flawed
Sour Dream her mother’s power that she forced into you and your mom and 10 other people that she threw away the second they proved useless to her. Sure “family”
Sour Dream but you argued that Rhea has reasons for what she does. So does Edelgard. There isn’t supposed to be a good person because people aren’t good or bad they are just human.
Sour Dream why? Rhea is just as misguided and cold as Edelgard if not more so. Edelgard seems to dislike her actions but feel they are what needs to be done where as rhea thinks she is in the right all in the name of her mom
4:22 If you agree to kill Edelgard
0:37 If you instead want to protect Edelgard
So, have to choose between a witch and a bitch...
Nah, I better go with the psyco killer and his awesome cutscene
Don't you mean John Wick?
@SleepyWolf no , edgelord is bitch , then a dragon is a witch
This guy gets it. May as well save everyone else from those two bums as well. Recruit, them, all (except hubert)
@@Mr_Lunatic_Mr Heh. It's all cool and games until...
*WE WILL BURN TOGETHER!*
I wish Rhea and Edelgard had more screentime together, because they have a really interesting dynamic that the game doesn't make much use of. They're both incredibly determined women whose tragic pasts have driven them to take drastic action, even if those actions result in good people being hurt. They both work off of flawed and biased perceptions of the world, and they both share a common enemy while not being willing to work together to defeat it. They had a lot of potential to bounce off each other and this is one of the only scenes in the entire game that uses that.
Damn, I wish I could choose a path where I would not join with the church or any house even if it would result in no allied leaders.
High probability that it will be the big DLC thing
TheBraveGallade Hopefully it will be better than Fates Revelations Route.
It is, by the virtue of not being Fates Revelation route.
;-)
Choose Smash.
Im sorry, but Rhea could not have expected me to kill the girl I had 50 tea times with just because she did a Palpatine "Dewit"
"Well, i killed my grandmother/mother for you, so you would better give birth to MY kid(s)!"
lol
Rhea: the sword of creator choose you, its your now, just take it.
Byleth: **protect edelgard**
Rhea: FUCKING THIEF!!! >:(
Don't they need byleth to beat edelgard
1:10 almost every Asian mother when you fail a test
This is so true it hurts
Including the part where they turn into a dragon and tear out your beating heart.
As an asian, this hurts.
Ouch.
1:00 love Edelgard and Byleth smiling at each other while Rhea becomes increasingly enraged
When I saw this and played it, the choice was so hard. When I chose protect Edelgard, I felt bad for Rhea. But just like Jeralt said,
“Watch out for Rhea.”
I like how Hubert is basically just "oh cool you're here. Now lets go"
I get the feeling that even if Byleth had chosen Edelgard, Rhea could've kept them on their side by ordering them to arrest her alive. Killing your own student would understandably be hard, but locking them up... I'd imagine it would be much less emotionally taxing. Then again, this whole plot could've been avoided if the house leaders had spoken to each other about wanting the same thing for Fodlan.
1st time playing Crimson Flower: Nervous, anxious and scared
2nd time playing Crimson Flower: That's right! I betrayed you! I REGRET NOTHING!!!!
KursaTime too true
For the Emperor!
This is going to be me, I got locked into killing Edelgard because I didn't do 1 spefic event.
Rhea's VA did a marvelous job. You can feel the madness taking over her
Praise Cherami Leigh.
@@730Flare Agreed, honestly, at times I was like, this sounds like Cherami, and at other times I was like, this is not Cherami. There was a war going on in my brain
Everyone here talking about how they went Crimson Flower route, while I just sit here like....I...I should just lay low, they might realize they missed one if they find out I went Silver Snow.
@Poppy Tyler same honestly
I did all 4. Seriously, everyone should do all 4 before they talk about this game, because only then do you have the full picture
@Poppy Tyler Claude will always be best boi
i went against her because she was involved with the killing of jeralt and didn’t feel remorse after it happened
@@MakimaDog
I can't even begin to explain how wrong this comment is
Ive done blue lions and black eagles play through and the cutscene where Dimitri finds out the flame emperor is edelgard is such a good cutscene
I'm just here to appreciate Hubert for not only teleporting you and Edelgard, but also like 80% of the student body out of dodge.
He must've been dilligently practicing his teleportation magic for this moment
Rhea's reaction here definitely made it feel like Protecting Edelgard was the best choice. I know she's grieving for her mother but that's literally no excuse for what she did. She literally planted her Mother's Heart or Crest into Byleth in hope Sothis will take full control of Byleth. And when Byleth refused to Kill Edelgard the first thing she does is to attack and kill him for disobeying. Not even try to reason or ask for his side.
Marvelous Meh
the reason why rhea is so quick to try to kill you
is because by protecting edelgard
who in rhea's eyes is apart TWSITD
remember both you and jeralt both call bullshit when the flame emperor said that
they do not approve of what their partner is doing and would stop if they known
that info did not reach rhea's ear
so by choosing to disobey rhea and protecting edelgard you are making sure that edelgard succeed in stealing her family's remains
and use them against the church and the people since TWSITD give no shit about the people of Fódlan since they view them as insects
and taking away her home,friends, and family
well in her eyes
Rhea: How dare you!
Me/Byleth: How dare you demand the obedience of humanity when time and time again you show your unworthiness of it and your hypocrisy. How dare you stand on your pedestal of privilege judging and throwing stones at anyone who doesn’t bow to you. How dare you make my mother a guinea pig of your insane experiments, how dare you twist my fathers faith the way you did. Your talk of betrayal is rich, burn in hell Rhea. My home, my family, and my friends have all been your pawns. Well today I’m fucking done being yours.
I mean the baby was dead and the mother was dying. They both would have been dead whether Rhea did anything or not. Yes, Rhea was originally selfish, but she accepted that Byleth was Byleth and not her mother, eventually, and she was okay with that. And if you've played golden deer route, you know that she wasn't just grieving for her mother. She was also grieving for her siblings, who were all killed and turned in to weapons. She watched people go into her family's graves and steal the remains of their corpses. And she didn't attack for disobeying (because you've disobeyed before in one or two missions), she attacked you for siding with someone that caused turmoil within the not just the church, but all of Fodlan. For causing countless deaths that weren't even deserved. Rhea wasn't right in all of her actions, but she's definitely not the antagonist here.
@@violetraven8323 You can do dat without being hitler
BE fans are the most defensive of their route (like Edelgard herself). Rhea is actually better person than Edelgard after having gone through all the routes. I completed CF before SS so I was almost tricked into believing Rhea was a villain. But CF only shows one side of the story and ignores Rhea's reasons for her choices and the actual good she has done. Rhea unlike Edelgard can also recognize her wrongdoings, while the latter is constantly justifying every action she takes like it's always the best. Rhea is also around two good people (Seteth and Flayn) to keep her grounded while Hubert is a cold assassin who often gets his hands dirtier than Edelgard's. If we compare their losses, Rhea lost significantly more and is consistently reminded of her dead relatives by crests and relics, but she still protected Fodlan and did not expand her power beyond its borders for over nine centuries.
Sometimes I wish Byleth was capable of delivering one-liners...
"Sorry, Archbishop, but, in case you've forgotten... I took an oath to protect my students... with my very life!"
NotAGoodUsername360
and for the other option?
@@chongwillson972 during the full invasion
*Edelgard* : I would've done done anything to make you my ally.
*Byleth* : including working with those who'd raid a tomb and killed my father. You didn't just point your sword at "some goddess" you pointed it at your classmates, allies and ME
I played Golden route and already looking at the alternatives I know that for me the Golden Deer Route was the best choice, but I would have loved to save Dimitri, get Rhea to just leave me the fudge alone(cause she always somewhat creeped me out and this kinda makes it worse) and I know that Edelgard wont back down without being killed(sad :c)
Atleast the golden deer don't kill Dimitri you just hear after that big battle he ran after Edalgarde alone and was killed. He made his choice
Correct golden deer route is the best one, why crimson flower and azure moon route is totally related edelgard and dimitri wish
Can we all just agree that Cherami Leigh's voice acting is amazing? Throughout the game, she's projected as a motherly figure, and now she's absolutely livid, and it shows.
Also, something I found funny was Hubert smiling when Rhea turned into the Immaculate One
She also sings quite beautifully
Byleth thoughts: ...
Edelgard thoughts: This is it... I don't know if the professor will be by my side or if I must do this alone. But I need their support, their recognition... I hope they join me.
Rhea's thoughts: *I'VE GOT AT LEAST ONE MORE DEATH THREAT IN ME!!! TONIGHT SOMEONE DIES!!!*
"there will be so many casualties"
*barely shows them or even mention them, even making Edelgard's path the shortest one in the game*
I'm hoping to choose neither side. I want the Flame Emperor identity and just rule all
But For this I'm choosing the 2nd path
Do you mean the second path that was shown or the second path in the selection? Because I'm confused.
@@IexistIguessidk The one were I don't side with Edelgard
@@ShahirHameed Ah ok.
Which I could have something remind me for when wave 4 or 5 hits in 2020 for this being the new option
That moment when you realize that Lucy from Fairy Tail and Rhea have the same voice actress.
Edelgard knew that her decision to do this will not be met with open arms. Many people will consider her a monster, and she will surely end the lives of many and ruin the lives of many more. But she knew that she HAD to do this, even if it meant that her friends and loved ones will turn their backs on her and she would be forced to fight and kill them. So when Byleth sides with her and her friends join her, she is truly touched.
honestly i sided w edie and i dont regret it one bit. rhea seemed fishy to me since the beginning lol
Same.
Rhea being fishy =/= Edilgard being right.
In my first playthrough, choosing Edelgard seemed like an absolute no-brainer, because Rhea had SO MANY red flags around her. After beating the game I went online to look up people discussing the game. Everyone talks like Edelgard were the villain, and I was like: "...did I miss a page?"
Genuinely how I've felt playing black eagles. Rhea was just so sus meanwhile edel seemed pretty open considering her background. Then rhea goes dragon mode and I'm like 'yep definitely picked the right side'
He protecc he attacc but most importantly he wants his students bacc
BE being my first playthrough, I did as much as I could to go in blind and spoiler-free. Eventually I caught wind that the route splits between the church and Edelgard, causing me much internal conflict as I enjoyed taking the time to know the quirky Church members and my own equally quirky house members. Edelgard especially as I formed a deep respect for her unwavering resolve and charisma despite her tragedies. Underneath her stoic demeanor, was a lonely girl yearning for the simple adolescence she was stripped of. As chapters progressed and knowing that war was looming however, I found myself leaning towards the Church because the thought of playing aggressor never sat right with me. "Whatever she's up to, there has to be another way," I thought to myself.
Even moreso when the battle in the holy tomb occurred and the Empire set their plans in motion, I felt so betrayed by Edelgard, my star pupil, that I was personally inclined to tear through her forces and confront her and her reasonings. There was no time though, for shortly after her defeat, Rhea rushed in to quickly end the situation. Just like that, Rhea was now proclaiming me as executioner. "Kill Edelgard," she whispered. I pictured my avatar taking one last look at Edelgard as the time had finally come to make my heartbreaking decision.
My instincts kicked in and deep down, my resolve intensified without a doubt as my choice was made: "I must protect Edelgard."
Damn I love this game.
Pope dragon route is worse tbh
I stand with Edelgard, sorry Rhea but you're too crazy
Same
Sympathetic backstory or not actions speak louder than words. And Edelgard I'm sorry but your actions say you are a tyrant... I cannot side with someone like that... Turning students into monsters, siding with despicable individuals like Tomas, getting my father killed, the only person I had left.
If you want to bring about hell on earth you're on your own.
@@bradleyprimeau8663 I thought she only had 13 experiments? Which is quite tame compared to the thousands Edelgard doomed in her war.
@@td984that's probably true true I zoned out a few times, but the point was both are still bad. Also Rhea has been suppressing other religions via murder for however long she's been in charge so either way her kill counts isn't exactly small.
Bradley primeau Rhea is at least willing to step down and leave the church in your more capable hands, and if you support with her she owns up to her wrong doings and says she probably deserves to die.
She didn't actually order Jeralt's death. That was something those who slither did on their own. She also doesn't use monsters at all when you side with her. Instead it's Dedue who is driven to that point of desperation. Once Edelgard becomes ruler, she uses her power to end the nobility system and the inheritance of titles. Finally when all that is done and Those That Slither in the Dark are wiped out, she abdicates the throne to a successor proven to have the proper qualifications of a just ruler and moves on to live the remainder of her life in peace....Yeah she's really not all that tyrannical. Rhea meanwhile has been preaching a false history for over one thousand years to keep the people following her teachings and anyone who questions those teachings ends up dead. I'd much rather throw my lot in with Edelgard and do my part to make sure she stays honest and true to the ideals she originally started with. The deciding factor of this war is really Byleth. His/Her influence ultimately keeps the leaders of each house honest and sane even through the worst of times. The one exception to this is Rhea herself, who had already committed the worst of her crimes by the time she met Byleth and at best can be made to seem more sympathetic as she begins to see the error of her ways and regrets many of her choices.
DevilHunter1994 The more accurate point would be to say she stopped using monsters after you side with her. She was still using them before the branching paths. She is a tyrant without Byleth as a crutch. It is because of them that she retains some humanity. Any route other route has her become much worse. And end doesn’t justify the means. She’s built her empire on a mountain of corpses. If Rhea was given the chance to start over and do things differently she might. Edelgard is so set in her ways despite how much she supposedly hates them that she’d do it again 100 times over if need be even if one if not both of her so called friends have to die for it. Demitri (And Dedue to an extent) go over the deep end because of her by siding with the people who killed his family and by the timeskip the guy has nothing left.
I believe the options differ if you join her when she takes a detour to the Empire (by talking to her during an explore weekend). If you choose not to go with her, I was given the "kill" and "...." option. I assume if you choose to join her on the trip, then those options will change to kill/protect
Apparently you have to interact with her in February
Rhea snapping if you side with Edie here reminds me of Mr. House in New Vegas if you tell him no. Two incredibly old autocrats who are not remotely used to people disagreeing with them on any level
"¡ITS MY PROPERTY, MINE!"
1:11 that face is the true definition of “peasant, bow down”
Okay but Rhea's actually scary when she's angry. You can see the moment she snaps at 1:08 and it gives me goosebumps every time lol
Hearing Rhea call me “another failure” physically hurt
It hit too close home
But it's true tho lol
@@jobsidian4219 a failure for what?
"Yes, the monsters that have controlled Fódlan in secret for far too long."
For Sothis' sake, Edelgard, you literally allied with Those Who Slither In The Dark, the ones responsible for everything and the literal monsters who control Fódlan in secret.
Who she then wages a shadow war on after the first war to prevent civil war in the Empire.
awesomesauce980 Except she didn’t need to wage the first war at all! She should have had her sights set on TWSITD the whole time.
@@DuelaDent52 she needed their power to declare war against Rhea, if you side with her, she doesn't rely on TWSITD, If you don't, she relies on them
Nega Y. Gear I get she felt she needed to from her perspective, but objectively speaking she never actually needed to declare war on Rhea to begin with since TWSITD were the true enemy the whole time.
@@lucario28100 nope she always relied on them
He help
He protec
But most importantly,
he got either Edelgard or Rhea’s bac (depending on what you choose)
i remember getting chills at 1:07 when i first played it. the music stopping, her intimidating stare... oof
The third choice should be either Smash or walking away from both.
Smash because of what happened last time.
And walking away for how the professor is visibly frustrated with the both sides and just leaves to do his own thing.
Funny thing, the Byleth direct came out months after you posted your comment
Rhea: Kill Edelgard!
Edelgard: No! Kill Rhea!
Hubert: Yes! Kill Rhea!
Byleth: You know what? Fuck all of you! I’m going to go open an ice cream shop instead!
I very much love Edelgard, and I hate to hurt or betray her, but I feel I have to. She kills in the name of peace, she fights those who she disagrees with. I wholeheartedly believe she is partially responsible for Jeralt’s death. She killed her step-brother, she throws her friend’s in front of her in battle even though they’ll die, she kills mercilessly and had the audacity to act like she’s a victim.
Rhea isn’t perfect, but after all she’s done for Byleth, for those she cares about, I want to side with her. Jeralt said not to trust her, but I see no reason not to. She loved Byleth because they’re intertwined with her mother. From what I’ve learned, she’s pretty much Byleth’s grandmother. I feel I could never betray her.
But I’ll still side with Edelgard just ‘cause I love her.
Edit: pftftfttftftf I just realized, Edelgard hired Kostas (the bandit at the beginning of the game) to kill Claude and Dimitri.
I mean, not really with forcing her father off the throne... it was apparent he was near his death bed so she came to him seeking his blessing to become coronated and ascend the Adrestian Throne
RobinHood ! Ah, I didn’t know that. Thank you for clearing it up, though!
rhea just freaks me out. i mean... she experimented on humans who presumably had their own will and free thought to try and bring her mom back to life. like, it's implied sothis taking control of byleth would wipe out their existence as a seperate entity. not to mention knowing about the artifical crest experiments and letting them continue when it resulted in a lotta death and suffering.
maybe it's less loathsome than starting a war on the church, but i feel like edelgard's motives come from a place of good intentions, while rhea's seem more selfish. but that's just me, i'm not arguing that one has the moral high ground.
tl/dr rhea gives me the creeps and that's what motivates my decisions lmao
soma. Yeah, Rhea can be pretty creepy. And you’re right, Edelgard does do what she does for reasons that are a bit more selfless. That’s kind of also why I side with Edelgard
@@shadestained I just assumed that Rhea's experiments were only done on people who were going to die (or in Byleth's case, was already dead) regardless given how Jeralt ended up gaining his crest and the fact that it seemed as though Byleth's mother wasn't exactly scrambling to leave a tormentor, which to me puts it in a less negative light.
Rhea: Kill Edelgard at once.
Me: *Change* *Team*
I will only ever side with the Golden Deer or Blue Lions, both of these choices don't sit right with me at all
Looking back on this game and damn am I glad I played through it 5 times. 🥳
Such a good game!
Shoutout to Cherami Leigh, she absolutely steals the show as Rhea. I can feel the rage dripping from every syllable of her voice when she’s angry
While there was definitely some misinformation on Edelgard’s end in regards to the church (Nemesis), she wasn’t wrong about a lot of things as well. By symbolizing crests as some blessing from Sothis, they have allowed the nobles to become complacent in their own greed while doing nothing to force the nobles back in line.
Mojo1356 It’s not the Church’s job to keep the nobles from being corrupt a-holes, that falls to the leaders of the nations of Fódlan.
Fire Blue Toad you do realize that medieval religions were heavily involved in the political affairs of territories, right? Considering the time period, it is very much part of their job to prevent this kind of thing from happening (if it were like a modern religion, I’d probably be telling a different story)
Mojo1356
The leaders/governments of each country is responsible for keeping their nobles in line, even the real life medieval Church didn’t involve itself in every noble squabble. Besides, the nobles don’t listen to the Church. Their system of inheritance directly goes against the Church’s teachings. And trying to force them to do so wholesale could be called totalitarian. They are more likely to listen to their actual leaders, the ones who are supposed to have power over them. The Empire’s nobles are all too eager to listen to Edelgard when she goes to war. And the Kingdom’s nobles seemed to fall in line under Dimitri when he reclaimed Fhirdiad and his mantle as King.
Fire Blue Toad while that may be true in the case if the... actually, that’s pretty far off. The nobles in the empire were split in regards to Edelgard, and the Kingdom nobles had to follow the church rules (it was part of the deal to secede from the empire).
Also, you do know that medieval religions purged those that defied church teachings, right? While the land’s leaders play a large role in keeping the nobles in line, you are underselling the church’s power to the worst degree by saying they hold no power over them (why do you think nobles value crests so much? It’s because the church’s teachings were that crests are to be treasured).
@@Mojo1356
The nobles in the Empire were split yes, but Edelgard put the nobles who did oppose her all under house arrest quite easily. The Kingdom nobles didn't have to follow the Church's rules, so far I haven't seen anything in the game that states that the Kingdom had to make the Church their state religion, despite their name. "Also you do know the medieval religions purged those who didn't follow the Church's teachings right?" Only within their jurisdiction. Rhea does not just kill those who merely don't believe in the Church's teachings. Shamir, Cyril, and Petra can attest to that. The only real example of executions by Rhea come from the deplorable Western Church, who tried to grave rob and incite a noble to go to war against the Central Church for more power, and because the Central Church was too inclusive for their liking. "Why do you think nobles value crests so much? It's because the Church teached that they are to be treasured" That doesn't give the nobles the license to abuse them. Even if the crests didn't exist, the rotten nobles would find some other way to abuse their power. It's in human nature. Again, I stated the Church teached against abusing crests this way, it's in the library. But many of the nobles obviously don't care about that. That doesn't speak well to the idea that the Church has the influence and authority to police the nobles.
1:08 This was the moment I knew the true meaning of fear.
Does anyone noticed the smile in the face of Byleth If you choose side with Edelgard😂 0:54
Rhea: Kill her.
Rhea: Kill her, now.
Byleth: I shouldn’t…
Rhea: *Dewit!*
Byleth: (Kills Edelgard)
(Credits roll)
I really loved this scene because damn Rhea's anger really got me.
Especially,
"I have passed judgement, and now I shall rip your chest open and take back your heart myself!" boy, that gave me MAJOR creeps.
I like the fact that when Rhea calls you a failure she looks down on you
Before the time skip, Rhea never looks to Byleth as a person, only a pet project to resurrect mother dearest. It's like building a PC, thinking that the PC works as expected, and then the PC doesn't work at all or does an "illegal operation".
@@DarkAdonisVyers and because Three Houses is the kind of story it is, she only changes that opinion in the timelines where Edelgard is your enemy.