Trust me, the state and county are into Airbus for well over $100M in incentives. This is like the 2nd or 3rd incentives package over the years. Every time Airbus expands, they offer more incentives to them. I'm not even sure that Airbus necessarily asks for more money.
Whether the employees live in Baldwin County or out of state in Mississippi, the economic impact is a net positive for the entire region. The county commissioners can't mandate that jobs only go to Mobile County residents. Baldwin County commuters cause wildly annoying traffic problems in Mobile County, but they still have the right to work in Mobile County if they want to. God knows, there's hardly anything going on in Baldwin County other than retail and hospitality jobs.
Your wrong. As a Senior financial analyst for the City of Houston, it’s always the one city/county that pays for big infrastructure projects and the other cities/counties that didn’t pitch in that benefits for it. An example for Houston. 1. The city of Houston owns both Hobby and IAH and the citizens pay for all the upgrades and maintained where the neighboring counties/cities pay nothing at all and they get the benefit an international airport 2. City of Houston is pitching in to expand 1-45 freeway but more commuter form the woodlands use 1-45 then citizens form Houston but guess who is paying for the it. So one city/county pays for it with bonds and the people that benefit from it move out that city because to avoid paying taxes for the same items they are benefiting from
@@corderajones Tommy brought a toy to the playground but now Jimmy is playing with it. Really? You don't think that Houston benefits from other people using their airports? You don't think that Houston benefits from a freeway that people from The Woodlands use? Where do you think these people are going? Jobs in Houston perhaps, airports in Houston? Movies in Houston, dinner? You're so focused on "we paid for this and they're using it for free!" that you're blinded. It blows me away that people put in positions to analyze these sorts of things miss the point by such a large margin. The states in general are bad at this and Texas is probably the worst. Let's do a thought experiment for a moment, what if nobody but people from inside Houston used the Houston airport? It wouldn't exist. It literally wouldn't exist. How about we put access control on those freeways so only people who live in Houston can use them. Houston would crumble as the people can't get to work now and the businesses can't pay their taxes. Maybe someone needs to start a school for financial analysts that teach them math.
Well if they are worried about people not getting the jobs and using the tax revenue in mobile Alabama then the county should go to the school board and encourage the school district to create programs that encourage and teach skills for jobs in the aerospace industry it is not very hard to do
Of course the few times people question corporations taking tax breaks or tax money to move in actually happens its only to foreign companies. Boeing definitely wouldnt get the same questioning cuz American company. (Not saying its wrong to question multi billion corporations taking tax cuts or tax money, just seems to only happen to foreign companies and not American companies who do the exact same thing or exploit it even more)
They should be forced to take on a certain number of apprentices to train if they get tax money. But housing is so expensive so no wonder their staff live outside Mobile.
Something very similar happened when Boeing built its South Carolina facility. So no, this has nothing to do with who the company is. It's all just about local politics.
Not really. This is not an Airbus/vs Boeing issue. This is about the particularly county is giving a huge tax break the local tax payers will pay while most of the workers don't actually live in the county.
I am writing to address the concerns raised regarding the proposed expansion of Airbus in Mobile, Alabama. It is essential to understand the significance of this expansion in meeting industry demand, and the economic impact it will have on the entire region as a whole. First and foremost, it is crucial to emphasize that people have the freedom to choose where they live and work in our great country. Mandating that jobs only go to Mobile County residents would limit opportunities and undermine the principles of personal choice and economic freedom. Embracing diversity and attracting talent from various areas will foster a stronger and more dynamic workforce. The expansion of Airbus will undoubtedly bring about a net positive economic impact on the entire region, irrespective of where employees reside. The influx of jobs and increased business activities will stimulate growth, support local businesses, and contribute to the overall prosperity of the area. This expansion represents an opportunity for economic advancement that should be embraced for the benefit of all residents. While it is true that Baldwin County commuters may contribute to traffic challenges in Mobile County, it is important to remember that these individuals have the right to seek employment opportunities wherever they choose. Traffic concerns can be addressed through effective transportation planning and infrastructure improvements, ensuring smoother mobility for all residents and workers. Additionally, it is essential to recognize that the expansion of Airbus brings diversification to the local job market. While Baldwin County may primarily rely on retail and hospitality jobs, the presence of a major aerospace manufacturer offers a new avenue for employment and growth. This diversification strengthens the resilience of the local economy and provides individuals with opportunities in different sectors. In considering the concerns raised, it is significant to maintain a balanced perspective that looks beyond immediate inconveniences. By embracing the expansion of Airbus, we can collectively foster economic growth, create job opportunities, and improve the overall quality of life in the region. Collaboration and a shared vision for progress are key to realizing the full potential of this development.
To tell you the truth, why invest in Alabama? Most Americans avoid these areas for a lot of reasons. The warm weather is off-set by the culture intolerance of the region.
Location, location, location. Very few places in the US have all the infrastructure located in one place that Airbus needed to produce their airplanes. Port, rail, highway, and airport facilities all clustered in one complex. Remember, Airbus is a European company. They're not a slave to culture warfare like you evidently are. They have a broad world view that's foreign to Americans who are cloistered in their small bubble.
Careful Mara…you have ZERO clue about the fine people of Alabama. What makes them, as a whole…..”Intolerant”? Hopefully you don’t get your talking points from the main stream media.
This will be the second A320 FAL at the Alabama site. They already have one A320 and one A220 FAL operating there. This will make the third assembly line and increase their A320 capacity to 16/month in the US. A220 will be at 4/ month by 2025.
It was reasonable that it's being questioned. Companies tend to really go wild exploiting tax breaks in the US and Airbus is playing that game. In this case is probably makes sense to approve it but I like that it's actually being questioned rather than just given out.
Exploiting tax loopholes are an American tradition, otherwise America would be cracking down on apple and others who use these loopholes to make obscene amounts of money while paying the least amount of money legally and morally required
@@mwat22 Apple is probably not a good example here since they don't really employee that many people in the US since they don't manufacture anything just desgin it. And they did pay over 19 billion in federal tax last year. But you're right all the companies and even individuals are always looking for loopholes to avoid paying. That's human nature.
@@johniii8147 They're a great example. They opened an office 200 miles away in Reno to avoid taxes. They opened the office in Cork Ireland to avoid massive taxes. They now have 6000 people working there. Apple pays a lot in taxes but a fraction of what they would pay if they weren't dodging taxes.
All big corporates do it. I worked for a large Japanese company who built factories all over Europe where they got big handouts from the local governments. When it came to the crunch these were the first places to be shut down.
While you're questioning their business acumen on a TH-cam video, Airbus is adding their third assembly line in Alabama in less than a decade. It's easy to see why you're here, and they're the top producer of narrow body jets on the planet. 😂😂😂
Mobile is a port city and is also located between Texas and Florida (top 5 states based on population). You have Auburn University not too far away with a great aviation program. And your bringing high paying high skilled jobs to a state that was historically stifled by land owning interests, not dissimilar to interests that held places like Argentina back.
They are in Canada. Mirabel, to be exact. They bought the C Series program from Bombardier. They're having fits trying to get that plant to stop hemorrhaging money.
@@futaba951 That’s to say nothing about the A220 assembly line in Mobile. Many of those same parts are shipped from Canada to Mobile for final assembly.
pfft in what part of canada do u live in, for u to think this kinda "foolishness" doesn't exist here? politicians are the same everywhere, and local politicians are the worst, cause they're spurned on by the smallest focus group.
Is this who is america kingman all over again? But once boeing have moved away from seattle then if airbus buys the plant then it will make for great irony
Not sure where you get your information but Boeing is not moving their production away from Renton or Everett. They already moved the 787 production to SC as part of their expansion plans. You'll be waiting for your Airbus fanboy irony for a long time.
Ha ha. The US is a dead end. Look at automobile manufacturing. Look at Boeing, with huge delays in virtually every program, unable to send their SpaceLiner to space with crew onboard. Look at electronics manufacturing. Look at any manufacturing sector. The EU may not be perfect, but it is not stuck in a dream of utopia. And if you want to move somewhere, unfortunately for you and me, the future is in Asia, primarily China and may be India.
@@todortodorov940 The USA has more important brands than the EU. The USA has Apple, Tesla, Space X, Microsoft, Amazon, Mastercard, Amex, Visa, Coca-Cola, Intel, Nvidia, etc. For you and me, there is no future in China or India. India lacks infrastructure, so it will not become as successful as China. I don't speak Chinese and I couldn't get Chinese citizenship or a job there. It's completely unrealistic that I would move to China, get a very good job, get their citizenship, and retire in China.
@@zionismisterrorism8716 No, for you there is no future in China, I am sure. But for others, especially the big companies, there is future in China. There is a reason Apple stuff says "Designed in California (by a small team for few hundred people) and Made in Chine (by tusinds of workers).". NVidia produces most of most of their stuff in the Republic of China. So does Intel and many others. My point is; your view of the US (and the west) is 20-25 years outdated. Many others will find a future in Asia - it's not Asia's fault that you live in an "America! America! America!" bubble and can't benefit from the benefits they offer.
By U.S standards, $20 million public participation in an economic development project of this size is relatively small.
Trust me, the state and county are into Airbus for well over $100M in incentives. This is like the 2nd or 3rd incentives package over the years. Every time Airbus expands, they offer more incentives to them. I'm not even sure that Airbus necessarily asks for more money.
@@futaba951 why should tax money go to that at all? 20 million dollars is just a fraction of the list price of a single a320neo
That's all relative to the area your in. $20 million is a lot of money for a county that size. Understandable it's being questioned
Whether the employees live in Baldwin County or out of state in Mississippi, the economic impact is a net positive for the entire region. The county commissioners can't mandate that jobs only go to Mobile County residents. Baldwin County commuters cause wildly annoying traffic problems in Mobile County, but they still have the right to work in Mobile County if they want to. God knows, there's hardly anything going on in Baldwin County other than retail and hospitality jobs.
Your wrong. As a Senior financial analyst for the City of Houston, it’s always the one city/county that pays for big infrastructure projects and the other cities/counties that didn’t pitch in that benefits for it.
An example for Houston.
1. The city of Houston owns both Hobby and IAH and the citizens pay for all the upgrades and maintained where the neighboring counties/cities pay nothing at all and they get the benefit an international airport
2. City of Houston is pitching in to expand 1-45 freeway but more commuter form the woodlands use 1-45 then citizens form Houston but guess who is paying for the it.
So one city/county pays for it with bonds and the people that benefit from it move out that city because to avoid paying taxes for the same items they are benefiting from
@@corderajones Tommy brought a toy to the playground but now Jimmy is playing with it. Really? You don't think that Houston benefits from other people using their airports? You don't think that Houston benefits from a freeway that people from The Woodlands use? Where do you think these people are going? Jobs in Houston perhaps, airports in Houston? Movies in Houston, dinner? You're so focused on "we paid for this and they're using it for free!" that you're blinded.
It blows me away that people put in positions to analyze these sorts of things miss the point by such a large margin. The states in general are bad at this and Texas is probably the worst. Let's do a thought experiment for a moment, what if nobody but people from inside Houston used the Houston airport? It wouldn't exist. It literally wouldn't exist. How about we put access control on those freeways so only people who live in Houston can use them. Houston would crumble as the people can't get to work now and the businesses can't pay their taxes.
Maybe someone needs to start a school for financial analysts that teach them math.
@@GrantMcWilliamsto be fair if I was tommy I'd be pretty pissed to see someone else playing with my toy willy nilly
No brainer, who wouldn't want to house such a sophisticated industry in their home?
And that is the real question! Who is obstructing?
@@woutergijs5246boeing of course. Lobbying
Well if they are worried about people not getting the jobs and using the tax revenue in mobile Alabama then the county should go to the school board and encourage the school district to create programs that encourage and teach skills for jobs in the aerospace industry it is not very hard to do
Of course the few times people question corporations taking tax breaks or tax money to move in actually happens its only to foreign companies. Boeing definitely wouldnt get the same questioning cuz American company.
(Not saying its wrong to question multi billion corporations taking tax cuts or tax money, just seems to only happen to foreign companies and not American companies who do the exact same thing or exploit it even more)
Good that the County are taking the time to go over the contract and working out the cost to benefit ratios for its taxpayers.
That’s for the local government an resident to make that decision not anybody else great video thanks J
Love these kinds of videos and manufacturing content!
Sounds like Baldwin county should just chip in part of the 10 million. Everyone wins
Why can't Airbus foot that bill? 10 million is a fraction of the list price of a single Airbus a320neo
They should be forced to take on a certain number of apprentices to train if they get tax money. But housing is so expensive so no wonder their staff live outside Mobile.
Nothing really expensive about housing in the state relative to other areas of the US. It's very cheap actually.
That's really what will generate new formal jobs, more dignified. ✈️
Nice, keep expanding Airbus!
If the money went to Boeing nor Airbus, I'm sure there would be no problem. These politics in the USA have any kind of future vision.
Something very similar happened when Boeing built its South Carolina facility. So no, this has nothing to do with who the company is. It's all just about local politics.
Not really. This is not an Airbus/vs Boeing issue. This is about the particularly county is giving a huge tax break the local tax payers will pay while most of the workers don't actually live in the county.
Maybe Airbus needs to get their American BFF Delta involved....
I am writing to address the concerns raised regarding the proposed expansion of Airbus in Mobile, Alabama. It is essential to understand the significance of this expansion in meeting industry demand, and the economic impact it will have on the entire region as a whole. First and foremost, it is crucial to emphasize that people have the freedom to choose where they live and work in our great country. Mandating that jobs only go to Mobile County residents would limit opportunities and undermine the principles of personal choice and economic freedom. Embracing diversity and attracting talent from various areas will foster a stronger and more dynamic workforce.
The expansion of Airbus will undoubtedly bring about a net positive economic impact on the entire region, irrespective of where employees reside. The influx of jobs and increased business activities will stimulate growth, support local businesses, and contribute to the overall prosperity of the area. This expansion represents an opportunity for economic advancement that should be embraced for the benefit of all residents. While it is true that Baldwin County commuters may contribute to traffic challenges in Mobile County, it is important to remember that these individuals have the right to seek employment opportunities wherever they choose. Traffic concerns can be addressed through effective transportation planning and infrastructure improvements, ensuring smoother mobility for all residents and workers.
Additionally, it is essential to recognize that the expansion of Airbus brings diversification to the local job market. While Baldwin County may primarily rely on retail and hospitality jobs, the presence of a major aerospace manufacturer offers a new avenue for employment and growth. This diversification strengthens the resilience of the local economy and provides individuals with opportunities in different sectors. In considering the concerns raised, it is significant to maintain a balanced perspective that looks beyond immediate inconveniences. By embracing the expansion of Airbus, we can collectively foster economic growth, create job opportunities, and improve the overall quality of life in the region. Collaboration and a shared vision for progress are key to realizing the full potential of this development.
If this is so great and the location is wonderful why do you even need to subsidize a net profit company?
@@user-ll4lf5go1m Because of the economic impact, it will have on the entire region as a whole.
They are just working on how much they can get out from the expansion....
Well, those additional 1000 workers need to eat, shop and play. That could potentially be an economic opportunity for the county
To tell you the truth, why invest in Alabama? Most Americans avoid these areas for a lot of reasons. The warm weather is off-set by the culture intolerance of the region.
Why would that be a factor on deciding on where to build aircraft?
@@hasuuuu It would be a factor as an employee moving there
We have to start somewhere. I'm all for helping the poorer south's economy.
Location, location, location. Very few places in the US have all the infrastructure located in one place that Airbus needed to produce their airplanes. Port, rail, highway, and airport facilities all clustered in one complex. Remember, Airbus is a European company. They're not a slave to culture warfare like you evidently are. They have a broad world view that's foreign to Americans who are cloistered in their small bubble.
Careful Mara…you have ZERO clue about the fine people of Alabama. What makes them, as a whole…..”Intolerant”?
Hopefully you don’t get your talking points from the main stream media.
You guys didn't mentioned on which Airbus program the facility expansion will support.
This will be the second A320 FAL at the Alabama site. They already have one A320 and one A220 FAL operating there. This will make the third assembly line and increase their A320 capacity to 16/month in the US. A220 will be at 4/ month by 2025.
@KEN MCDANIEL Thank you!
Thata bull. States and counties constantly give tax incentives to companies. If that county doesnt want the money...many ither states will.
It was reasonable that it's being questioned. Companies tend to really go wild exploiting tax breaks in the US and Airbus is playing that game. In this case is probably makes sense to approve it but I like that it's actually being questioned rather than just given out.
Exploiting tax loopholes are an American tradition, otherwise America would be cracking down on apple and others who use these loopholes to make obscene amounts of money while paying the least amount of money legally and morally required
@@mwat22 Apple is probably not a good example here since they don't really employee that many people in the US since they don't manufacture anything just desgin it. And they did pay over 19 billion in federal tax last year. But you're right all the companies and even individuals are always looking for loopholes to avoid paying. That's human nature.
@@johniii8147 They're a great example. They opened an office 200 miles away in Reno to avoid taxes. They opened the office in Cork Ireland to avoid massive taxes. They now have 6000 people working there. Apple pays a lot in taxes but a fraction of what they would pay if they weren't dodging taxes.
All big corporates do it. I worked for a large Japanese company who built factories all over Europe where they got big handouts from the local governments. When it came to the crunch these were the first places to be shut down.
Sep. 2024 Update!! It was approved and opening in 2025/2026
Well, as you asked my opinion, if I were Airbus I wouldn't have ever invested in Alabama.
While you're questioning their business acumen on a TH-cam video, Airbus is adding their third assembly line in Alabama in less than a decade. It's easy to see why you're here, and they're the top producer of narrow body jets on the planet. 😂😂😂
@@futaba951 Oh, they're the top producer of narrow body jets on the planet, are they? How did I miss that when I used to work for Airbus?
@tsuchan see, I was right about you. Airbus is making multi-billions, and you're questioning their business decisions while unemployed. Priceless!
Mobile is a port city and is also located between Texas and Florida (top 5 states based on population). You have Auburn University not too far away with a great aviation program. And your bringing high paying high skilled jobs to a state that was historically stifled by land owning interests, not dissimilar to interests that held places like Argentina back.
Come to Canada...we don't have this foolishness.
They are in Canada. Mirabel, to be exact. They bought the C Series program from Bombardier. They're having fits trying to get that plant to stop hemorrhaging money.
@@futaba951 That’s to say nothing about the A220 assembly line in Mobile. Many of those same parts are shipped from Canada to Mobile for final assembly.
pfft in what part of canada do u live in, for u to think this kinda "foolishness" doesn't exist here? politicians are the same everywhere, and local politicians are the worst, cause they're spurned on by the smallest focus group.
RED state, closed minds.
ALABACKWARDS !!!
Come to Georgia, Airbus.
It would be better for Airbus to build a new FAL in India
Nope not at all.
It only matter of time.
That might be on their roadmap but it's way to soon.
Is this who is america kingman all over again?
But once boeing have moved away from seattle then if airbus buys the plant then it will make for great irony
Boeing have no plans to move away from Renton, they are setting up more production lines for the MAX.
Not sure where you get your information but Boeing is not moving their production away from Renton or Everett. They already moved the 787 production to SC as part of their expansion plans. You'll be waiting for your Airbus fanboy irony for a long time.
This has nothing to do with Boeing.
I think you're mistaking the move of their corporate HQ with their industrial facilities
Let's stick with reality please , not fairytale.
Airbus should move to the USA. The EU is collapsing economically.
Ha ha. The US is a dead end. Look at automobile manufacturing. Look at Boeing, with huge delays in virtually every program, unable to send their SpaceLiner to space with crew onboard. Look at electronics manufacturing. Look at any manufacturing sector. The EU may not be perfect, but it is not stuck in a dream of utopia.
And if you want to move somewhere, unfortunately for you and me, the future is in Asia, primarily China and may be India.
@@todortodorov940 The USA has more important brands than the EU. The USA has Apple, Tesla, Space X, Microsoft, Amazon, Mastercard, Amex, Visa, Coca-Cola, Intel, Nvidia, etc.
For you and me, there is no future in China or India. India lacks infrastructure, so it will not become as successful as China. I don't speak Chinese and I couldn't get Chinese citizenship or a job there. It's completely unrealistic that I would move to China, get a very good job, get their citizenship, and retire in China.
@@zionismisterrorism8716 No, for you there is no future in China, I am sure.
But for others, especially the big companies, there is future in China. There is a reason Apple stuff says "Designed in California (by a small team for few hundred people) and Made in Chine (by tusinds of workers).". NVidia produces most of most of their stuff in the Republic of China. So does Intel and many others. My point is; your view of the US (and the west) is 20-25 years outdated. Many others will find a future in Asia - it's not Asia's fault that you live in an "America! America! America!" bubble and can't benefit from the benefits they offer.