Mossberg 500 problems
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Previous to this foul up, I was working on Single-Hand manipulations for an hour or so with this shotgun. I was getting ready for bed when i noticed that something didnt look right. If i would have needed to employ this gun for Home defense, I would have gotten one shot, and then I would be wielding a 7lb club. This concerns me. I will continue working with the 500 to see whether this was a fluke, or that the 500 needs to be reconsidered from its current home defense roll.
Its your shell elevator.
Remove the trigger group , and the stud on the lifter will go back into place .
That’s exactly what I was thinking
It can be permanent fixed. Hers how. The pins can be tapped and threaded place a shouldered screw so it Will pivot in the holes , problem solved.
The pin on your loading gate slipped out... Easy fix just take out the pin on the trigger assembly and you can access it to put it back in
J Wallin I couldnt do that. To fix this, I had to remove the stock, then the shell latches would fall free followed by the bolt, then the loading gate. This is the 3rd 500 i have had issues with. Goes without saying, i am not a fan of them nor do I recommend them to my students of friends.
+Buckshot University this was the first firearm I ever purchased.. 3 years ago on my 18th birthday.. I found it super simple to disassemble I thought it would be a great beginner gun since all the parts are so simple
***** hahaha I bet my father wishes he would've actually been a father and stayed in my life. I think it's great to teach to kids, as well, if you show em the ins and outs before they fire one they have an even greater respect for them and most likely will treat them with that much more responsibility
Yeah definitely an easy fix.
Rule one before you use or work on a firearm DO NOT DRINK, the miller bottles on the work bench at 0:05sec and at 2:22 one empty one half full says it all.
Exactly my thoughts too
Haha ya noticed that and also what kinda looks like a joint in the ashtray at about 4:50 🤣😂🤣
and he has a fucking joint in the ash tray
From your opening comments you indicate it has shot around a 1000 rounds without issue. It is obvious that you have never cleaned the shotgun receiver or you would know what those pins on both sides of the receiver are all about. Take this as a learning moment and take the gun apart and give it a thorough cleaning, it really is overdue. You should strip it down after every 100 rounds, and I know people that do it after every use. Once you’ve done it a couple times it will become second nature. A well maintained firearm is a necessity to ensure reliability.
Sounds like a fatal flaw in weapon design
most of the time you have to just play with pump, but not forcefully just wiggle it until the pin pops back out, this is the biggest problem with these guns
I have a Mossberg that's pre-1968 since it doesn't even have a serial number, the best built, most reliable firearm I've ever owned. There are plenty of videos here that will talk you through the process of fixing what appears to be a non-issue, hope by now you've figured that out
Ive seen this happen on other videos. The little pins from the shell elevator become pushed in when the shotgun is dropped or is impacted. I’ve seen people fix them from just from giving a good smack.
Every body is saying it's a ez fix. I say ,its a dam shame it even happened on a defensive shotgun! I know they are all not bulletproof but dam .
Push the side pin in and play c with the safety. It will spring back and reset itself. You will feel the spring reset...
Let's complicate a small problem, next time you want to take the trigger out ,hammer on the correct pin.
Just remove the elevator and spread out it's arms to increase tension.
Wayyyyyy beyond his capabilities. Went to a gunsmith.
Loaded gun. Several beer bottles on the bench. A strike against the gun owner…….
This is a common problem with Mossies that can be caused by dropping them or even laying them down too hard. It is in fact an inherent issue unless you watch your handling.
I own a 500, have owned several 500s (and even an 88 "combat" shotgun with heat shield and pistol grip I carried in my POV when off duty), and been issued as both a soldier and a Police Officer several 500s over the years and NEVER experienced the problem you had in this video. I've fired thousands of standard and magnum rounds through the 500s (and that one Maverick 88) and none of them gave me a moments trouble....Unlike at least two 870s I've had to deal with since the 1960s. But to be fair to all concerned, there is always going to be that one firearm (or any other mass produced product) that will have a "problem" of some sort. I've been around long enough to see entire runs of firearms, cars, trucks and other "things" that suffered from aggravating problems that more than once turned me against entire product lines as a result. Hopefully you will have solved the problems with the particular 500 from this video OR purchased a 500, that like ALL of the ones I have dealt with, gives you 100% reliability!
He dropped his gun. Had this problem. Took it apart and put it back. Good as new
@FD Mackey Well I’VE been around long enough to call BS on your statement. 100% reliability? Absolutely NOTHING mechanical will guarantee you 100% reliability. There is an old saying that will always stand true. Anything mechanical is subject to failure.
@@TheAxe4Ever And I can't and won't argue your point. I thought I made it clear though that I HAVE NEVER experienced the problem(s) you did with your shotgun. Of all the shotguns I've owned, been issued, or loaned for hunting purposes only one brand name of shotguns gave ME zero problems of any kind and that was Mossberg. Over the decades I've had Remington and Winchester shotguns that were OK but would fail to function for one reason or another and spent more time traveling between the manufacturer and my house than they did in the field. One very nice (looking) Winchester I purchased new in the box wore it's welcome out at Winchester and became, briefly, a gunsmith's nightmare even though I think I helped put his daughter through nursing school circa 1978. The only other brand of shotgun I have had little to no problems with over the years has been Ithaca. But I've only owned two (wish has them back by the way) and was issued one in 1981 by the Army. That last one had been used, abused, and rebuilt at depot level so many times (six according to the records) that I'm of the opinion that the only factory original part was the receiver. That G.I. shotgun would function beautifully 9.5 times out of 10 but would sometimes try to load a round before the spent one could be ejected completely. And no I was not short stroking the shotgun. When I turned it in for "repair or replacement" at brigade the civilian gunsmith, a retired WO3, recognized it by it's serial number right away and handed me a Mossberg, a new one, off the rack and I never had a problem with it until the day I turned it in for the last time to our Troop arms room. Anyway, no matter what you may think of my earlier response to your video I did enjoy it and am keeping a close watch my current Mossberg 500 in case it develops any problems such as those you had with your shotgun. Take care and keep up the great videos!
single hand manipulations? I don't remember seeing that in the manual, so I guess those were being done with a loaded gun, while drinking.
Single hand manipulations are a hoot! Give them a try!
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There is a solution... You dropped it
Good video, thanks. Mine did this but thankfully it wasn't loaded.
While I was watching your video, I learned that if you take the barrel off, with a screwdriver, with the bottom of the gun facing up, push the elevator assembly (shell catcher) slightly up toward you, the studs will click back into place and free your action up. Put the barrel back on before racking forward though, to prevent the bolt assembly from sliding too far forward.
I've been shooting Mossberg pumps for a number of years. I've never heard of that happening before.
Right?!
That is your elevator, and I have had the same thing happen. Easy fix, once you get it disassembled. Pull the arms of the elevator apart until they are slightly bent outwards, then reassemble. That puts more tension on the arms under recoil, and since bending mine I haven't had it pop out and seize up again. That being said, my number one shotgun with ZERO failures is the Stoeger M3000. Sad that my Turkish gun (with more rounds through it) works more reliably than my Mossberg, but it is what it is.
Thanks for this tip. Gonna try that!
Ok, I actually tried it. Mine is way too tempered to bend without risk of distorting it too much.
R Davis weird, I had to bend mine quite a bit to get it pulled out just a little. You might try ordering a new one just to see if it makes a difference.
That's it
This should be the top comment. This is exactly how I fixed mine with no further failures.
Take your trigger group out and Push the Bolt FWD and put the pins backin !!
The pins would not punch out.
Those pins don’t punch out! Take the trigger pin out, remove the but stock and put the shit back together! So easy a monkey could do it.
Worse video I've watched as far as shotguns go.
Your one side of the elevator did not seat correctly...If you remove the trigger group is should go back into place or you can manipulate it to do so..would solve your problem.
you've never cleaned the gun before obviously... that has nothing to do with the safety
Heat your receiver with an oxy acetylene torch until it melts. You shouldn't own a shotgun.
If you don't know shit about the weapon leave it the hell alone. It's a time proven design like the 870. Those pins simply dont just work loose and that pin seems a bit short for the shotgun. It should be flush or very close too it on both sides. Tactifool
Awesome!!!
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Uh no they actually do work loose if you drop the gun from even a height of one foot. I don't know if that's what happened here but that is one way this pin becomes recessed.
I've only seen a few videos showing this problem. Two of them were from the same individual. I've also heard Internet rumors about this same problem. The elevator is made out of spring steel. I wonder how many of them come out weak. Normally the spring force holds the elevator into the receiver quite securely. Anyway, thanks for posting this video all those years ago. It's something I'll keep an eye out for on mine.
A very poorly made gun. Take a 870 anyday
@L. Ron Hoyabembe actually 870 was never in those tests
That’s an ironic statement considering what Remington has gone through.
That never happen to mine Mossberg 500A mine is 100% good.
Take your trigger assembly out before you do anything then take it to a licensed gunsmiths
So... glad it all worked out...
Thinking taking the stock off didn't actually help, and just needed to pull harder on the trigger housing.
Would guess you or someone over-bent the elevator inward during assembly/disassembly. That, or you got a soft one. But if you have this keep happening to you... then it's you. The military uses Mossberg 500's and 590's. And it does look a little bent inward, or at least not as much outward bow as a new one definitely has.
I am a first time gun owner bought a Mossberg 500 from field and stock. Brought her home and she was jammed. I am having so if the same issues and I'm very disappointed. This gun hasn't been shot one time
Did you hit the release for the pump? Lol
Saw a video of a maverick 88(same design)but guy says if gun is dropped even lightly on its side the pin pops in and does that same thing.
You could call Mossberg...much easier to get the aftermarket pin.....it was a CNC tolerance error on a thousand or so.manufactured....unfortunately they use loctite on the mag tube threads...it will come off
This is exactly why I will not buy a Mossberg 500, nor the Maverick 88. Too much of a lability.
It’s the carrier. Wiggle it from the bottom or from the ejection port. When you get it disassembled, give those arms a little stretch outwards.
I just bought the Maverick 88 which has almost the same internals and this issue is the #1 thing I see when people talk about it on TH-cam. I wonder if anyone has thought of drilling and tapping it to hold the lifter in place with machine screws yet.
I've think about that,exactly what you think.I have two 500s.Anyhow I did not think that this will ever happen to me,but it did on one of my 500A.The 500 was leaning on the table (chamber and mag tube are empty),right next to it was a mini14, suddenly the 500 slid and fell to the floor knocking the mini14 and the mini landed on the 500's reciever knocking the elevator's pin out of the reciever holes.I didn't notice it at that time,till a week later that my action was frozen.I completely disassemble and realign elevator pins.
I've got several mossberg 500's some from the late 60's never had that problem bro!!!! That is just the pins on yer loading gate assembly....never force em treat elm like a lady, mossbergs are awesome!!!!!!! get to know how to fully dissamble it and clean it!!!!!
+Gavin Frampton I know how to disassemble, clean, and reassemble these shotguns. The malfunction was cause by the loading gate pins being so easy to access and depress. Its one of the weak-points of the design and another reason why I don't recommend these to students
+moofasa1211 The loading gate pin got pushed in and jammed while I was doing single hand malfunction drills. Not while I was taking the gun apart.
I think that pin is cracked from all the magnum type shells constantly fired ..pop that shit out n replace it
if you are really concerned about it call mossberg and maybe send the back section back.
I have this exact problem right now and I have a live round in it smh still trying to fix it it would’ve been nice if you had a video showing us what you were doing to fix it
How could he possibly be stumped on how to get the loaded round out when the extractor is right there staring him in the face? Just get a screwdriver and pry up a little bit on the extractor and the shell comes loose. And why couldn't he remove the magazine tube to get the other shells out?
...because he was waiting on his gunsmith lol...
Don't make a video if you have no idea what your doing or talking about
3rd video I watch same topic.. Mossberg should solve this issue before I buy Mossberg 500 or 88
take your stock off first then pull the trigger assembly stock must be off. afterwards pull off your barrel and pull the bolt and shell out the front. also the bolt carrier take that out and then you can get to the shell elevator which is what has came out of place inside your gun simply pinch both sides of it to pull them out the pin holes and do same to get it back in slightly pinch and guide to the hole make sure it fits through then just put everything back in as it came out excluding the shell
That’s ridiculous! I would never buy this shotgun or the maverick 88! Mossberg should be ashamed!!!
12 million happy mossberg 500 owners. this guy likely dropped or set his gun down so hard it knocked the shell lifter out of place. had he cleaned his gun even 1 time He would have immediately knew what was wrong, and how to fix it with no gun smith needed. 1 minute into video I knew what the problem was/how to fix it. this is user error
All 500 mossberg have this problem if you drop it from as little as a foot it will do this or even laying it down a little to hard, get used to this happening, that's one of the main reasons I like the Remington 870 a little more. There are tests on TH-cam showing this exact problem
This has been a similar experience from a number of people. I also prefer an 870
Never had this happen in 40 + years of hunting target shooting dropping 10s of thousands of rounds. I've shot 500s from the 60s 70s 80s and new 590s no issues ever
Military just bought a shit load of these. Just dont drop them and dislodge the lifter.
Stop moving the gun so we can see
If you didn't know that wasn't a pin, you've never cleaned or lubricated your firearm. That's probably what caused this.
I have a 500 as well I never had any problems dude send that back Mossberg needs to stand behind there product .
Beer, butts, and a loaded malfunctioning shotgun--what could possibly go wrong?
Just happened to me. It was the ejector.
I'd send it to the factory
Shell lifter is sprung
I tought there was an AA battery loaded in😂
Gunsmith? Just pop the pin and drop the fire control assembly. One of the tabs for the elevator assembly that directs the round to the feed ramp has popped out of its hole somehow. Never had this specifically happen with my 500E but what happened was that the elevator arm rotates in the peg sets on either side of the gun.
Partway through the action (about halfway through cycling the action slide assembly rearward) the guide rods, bolt slide and bolt pinch up a bit on the elevator arms (about 1.5mm on my Mossberg) and with enough shock from aggressively cycling the gun the the elevator arm can become unseated from that hole, tilt and halt the round, bolt and elevator arm.
One of a couple of problems with Mossbergs certain parts being improperly machined from factory. Hell you very well may have problems with the round inhibitor rod and start getting double feeds. Hate to say it the way to fix it if you ain't got any other option is to take the elevator arm assembly and just gently bend the arms outwards at a more obtuse angle (not much, one or two degrees of pitch on either side) so as to create more spring tension to hold its pegs more firmly in their settings. My disclaimer is that THIS IS NOT RECOMMENDED but it is how I'd fix it out in the field because I needed the gun.
This is a known issue I took my shell lifter out use a center punch drilled a very small hole not all the way through each pen tab on both sides I taped them and inserted a very small screw with a washer keeps them from being pressed back in if the firearm is dropped but the screws are not tightened all the way down to the receiver there's about a 64th of an inch play this allows the shell lifter to move has it's supposed to I used one drop of loctite to make sure those screws don't come out I will have to use heat if I ever want to remove them but it is reliable now even if I drop it
I've only owned the older models in the 70s. Or early 80s never have had a problem with mine. But I I'm not. Person who shoots alot of shells I deer hunt and rabbit hunt but with deer I only may shoot twice. At one time. And only few times rabbit hunting in one days hunt. ,,
Ithaca 37.
I have a 500 that I bought as a pistol grip 'cruiser' but put a hogue shoulder stock and forend on. I've fired thousands of rounds thru it, both 2-3/4 and 3 inch, and never had a problem. I think you just got lucky with yours. Sorry about your luck.
Nah, he dropped it. I dropped mine and had this problem happened . Took it apart and put it back together and it was good as new lol
@@Original_Hybrid_Games that happened to me recently,my 500 and my mini14 we're side by side leaning on a table,then the 500 slide and fell to the floor knocking the mini down and it landed on the 500's reciever, knocking the elevator's pivot pins out of position,and locking the action.I have 2 Mossberg 500 for decades and never thought it's possible or will it happen to me but it did happen last month.
Dude! Tripod! HS!
Try removing the barrel to get the cartridge out.
Trigger group is held in place by the bottom pin.
This also happens when the shotgun is dropped flat to the ground.
You dropped it or layer it down hard ...that's what caused this to happen..
Hi, I own a Mossberg maverick 88 and I haven't seen a video where this has happened that someone contacted Mossberg about it. Have you tried to get Mossberg to answer about this? This seems fairly common, I haven't experienced it but there are a few youtube videos on it.
Dude, same exact problem on an 88. Thank you so much. Getting the trigger assembly out was as far as I was getting also, you really do have to yank on it.
when this happens work the slide an inch and back to try to rattle the pin back in place. this is a problem with the mossberg. mostly you hear about this with the 88. mine hasn't done this yet. but i'm waiting for mossberg to come up with a fix for it. it isn't bent. if you drop the shotgun it pops out. don't drop it, and don't through it in the back of your truck... place it carefully. the two pieces of the lifter at the pins flex like a spring and let it pop out of the hole. i've considered drilling the center of the pins and threading the hole and putting a screw and a washer in the pins so they can't pop out of the hole. make it shouldered so when it's tight the lifter still will move.
I used pliers to get the elevator back into place (also used some card board on the outside of my shotgun to not mar the outside.
The beauty of the 500 is all you need is a paper clip to field strip it. Once that trigger group pin is out...no tools needed.
That can happen if you drop them on their side with the action closed, if you spot it before you get it jammed up it's not a problem but yours got stuck good LOL. I wonder if you stretch them outward if it would give it more tension against the sides
you have to drive the slide forward with a hammer then disassemble the shotgun and put it back together.
Did you drop it? Bang it against something? The lifter pins shouldn't do that in normal operation. If it happens again. Lightly jiggle the forearm and it will likely pop back in place.
mine did it with just 20 rounds or so ??
Take the barrel off and take the shell out with pliers and take the guns completely down and the problem might be the ejector
To fix this, I had to remove the stock, then the shell latches would fall free followed by the bolt, then the loading gate. This is the 3rd 500 i have had issues with. Goes without saying, i am not a fan of them nor do I recommend them to my students of friends.
Well better late than never....Report it to Mossberg, by serial number and what you did to fix it... their QC needs to address it, stiffer arms would help on the elevator or shims against the trigger housing keeping the arms spread out...
I no longer have this shotgun. Thank you for watching!
Had the same problem. Almost "killed" a goosehunt for me. Wouldn't like it to happen in a hot situation.
The problems w 870s can be fixed, but this is a built in problem in the 500
A mossberg 500 is a great shotgun, You got to baby it a little compared to a 870. Fix it and sell it, use that money a go get a 870. Problem solved
You need a new lifter.
Hope that's not a live one
That is your lifter
There's a 10 year warranty
it's the elevator
They done past remington
I can NOT get shells into the lower tube. There's a round disc that's stuck or something. I only fired three shells. It is a Mossberg 500 12 ga.
Any suggestions?
I assume you're trolling but if not then take the wooden dowel out.
@@Kyle-xt8ip THANK YOU for answering. I already figured it out. I took the wooden dowel out. I'm sorta hesitant to take a new gun/rifle apart, but it was rather simple & all worked out. Again, Thanks for answering.
@anamerican5499 mine came with a wooden plug in the mag tube for bird hunting. You're only allowed to have a 3 round capacity in some states.
Does anyone have a fix? Mine locked up in the same spot and it wont budge.
My elevator pins are popped in perfectly, but its still locked up.
Start by taking the stock off.
Empty beer bottles and a joint in the ashtray 🤣🤣😂
Well, yeah there empty. I wouldnt leave open beer around!
Not a joint. I tried weed when I was in High School, and it makes me so damn sick.
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That’s the pin of the elevator
Learn how to take it apart. User error. I could have that fixed in ten min. Take out the trigger housing and your good. Not a big problem
The trigger housing wouldn't come out.
Beer and gunsmithing don’t mix. Big mistake.
Did you ever get the problem fixed?
I replaced the lifter and sold the gun.
Lots of comments here about dropping the weapon WTF?? Ive never dropped a weapon EVER!!! I dont lean them against anything. I always carry a rolled up gun sock when afield. So that if I have to cross an obstacle I dont lay my weapon directly on the dirt. Take the extra time. My father was a Marine sniper. I learned from him. Had i dropped one his weapons there would be 2 results. A belt on my arse and never allowed to touch his weapons again.
it's the elevator
Dang, the Mossy thought it was a Jamington. . .
Thanks for the heads up on the mossberg
So what did you do not to have this problem again? Changed the part?
I know you took it apart and then reassembled it but that doesnt mean the problem wont return. Please update same problem here and same notch/pin. Mossberg 590
I first tried to see if the original part was still in good condition (it was not). I replaced it with a factory replacement and have put it away. I will return to shooting mossbergs in the future. However, my primary gun in an 870.
please update if it was solved with replacing part.
I did replace this with a factory part
Why would you reload your shotgun with one hand and less all you have is one arm you are using the whole weight of that gun to reload itself which will put a lot of pressure inside mechanism
I read your intro you shouldn’t have a gun, PERIOD
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I just read it, sounds like a good man who wants to defend himself and his family.........what's wrong with that?
😂 I've already seen this debunked so I call b.s. i'm willing to bet you pushed it in yourself.
@@alaingoindoo5554 Yep, it's a design flaw . It happened to me also and it's an easy fix all depends on how bad it was jammed. I'm not buying a shotgun to treat it like a princess.
Throw that thing in the trash and go buy an 870.