Best damn ad I've ever seen! I appreciate quaint, down to earth marketing. Great presentation. You certainly sell the sizzle, not the steak. The close was spot on, then watching you in the dinghy as it gets darker drove the point home!
Yeah, I thought it might’ve been a risky double-entendre at first too, but then figured it had to be unintentional because it would be far too silly to deliberately bite the hand that feeds, etc. Happily it’s a LiFePo4, not an angry Lithium ion jobbie.
Peter, I used think that your channel was perfect the way it is but I'm now growing to your reviews of products. It feels so genuine if your opinion 👍 I love love love it
Brilliant, Peter. There is really no reason not to buy LiIon batteries for marine applications at this point. They offer so much more in terms of lifespan and performance. And the lighter weight aspect is my favorite of all, saves my back! Thanks for the very well put together presentation.
It was great to see a review of a LiFePO4 battery. I've been following battery evolution for a while and had some hope that the next generation would be Graphene batteries. It looks like it will be the LiFePO4 instead. I use a Li ion battery on my bike and have been trying to find a LiFePO4 replacement without any luck. Maybe it's right around the corner. Thanks for the information in your review.
Thank you Patrick! I really appreciate you reaching out here. These batteries are definitely exiting. I hope you find a suitable replacement for your bike. Thanks for watching and for your continued support of the show.
Could these replace the very heavy starting and leisure batteries in a motor boat? The weight/strain of moving conventional batteries will be an issue for me going forward.
Yes, yes, yes! That's exactly what they're good for. This one in particular has 150 amp output rating with 300 amp for 30 seconds. That's plenty to start most anything.
@@TravelsWithGeordie Hmm if you use case is on the low temp side i'd rather go with agm. My motorcycle lives outside all year round here in GB, on frosty days with the Li battery if definitely hesitates a little to crank the engine. never been a problem yet as it's ridden practically every day but...
You have to remember even if a 100 amp hour lithium battery cost twice as much as a 100 amp hour AGM it would still be cheaper in the long run because you can use almost all of the 100 amp hours instead of only about 50 and the batteries last three times longer.
Any thoughts on switching your house batteries over to LiFe? I switched my RV batteries over about this time last year and am very pleased with the results. Being able to drain the full battery charge and the almost constant voltage make a huge difference. At that time it was difficult to get batteries with low temp protection but I was able to mount the batteries inside the RV which mitigates most of the risks from low temp.
How do you charge the LiFePo battery Peter? They have peculiar charging requirements as you know. We have two 200 AH LiFePo4 batteries for our house bank. Keep on keeping on brother. Cheers! Rick
Great question Rick. I had intended to discuss this in the video, perhaps i should. I charge with a lithium optimized DC to DC charger off the house bank. Works a treat!
you can charge a lifepo4 battery safely with a conventional lead-acid charger, but it won't be able to charge it to full capacity. that's not necessarily a bad thing, as undercharging it will actually make it last longer although 6000 cycles is already 10+ years for most people...
@@TravelsWithGeordie we use a DC/DC charger in our RV and it works great while on the road. We can also charge from shore power and solar. Taking same approach in the boat. The Victron chargers are great, bit pricey, but they're rock solid. Carry on Peter. Cheers!
Nice Review! Wish you had mentioned how you will charge the battery? Are you using the same method / equipment as you did for the lead acid battery and does it support a lithium charging profile?
Great question! I had actually intended to discuss this. Perhaps i will in an upcoming episode. I charge the lithium battery with a a lithium optimized DC to DC charger from the boat's house bank.
It's not at all a bargain, but it isn't bad. The LiTime low temp 100AH is 20% less expensive, at the expense of less continuous discharge. That said, nobody is discharging their single 100aH battery at 150+ continuous for a trolling application (or anything, really).
LiFePo4 batteries are not immune from fire but are much less likely than Lion batteries. But I'd be concerned that with the battery holding 12v until shortly being depleted that there would be little warning that you were about to be stranded. Keep your oars handy!
You know, i wondered about that too. It's as if the BMS shoud have a a low reserve output terminal we could connect to a running low light of some sort. The trolling motor does have a series of battery level LEDs. I am curious to see how accurate they are.
I see from the manufacture's link you provided, that this is an "LFP" lithium battery - as opposed to "NMC" chemistry. That's important. LFP or "lithium iron phosphate", produces slightly lower energy per pound (kg) than NMC (nickel, manganese, cobalt), which makes it safer and less likely to behave badly (eg fire). LFP is generally cheaper than NMC, but lasts many more charge cycles. LFP is heavier, than NMC, but still much, much lighter than lead acid. We have an Ecoflow Delta Pro portable power station with integrated inverter and LFP chemistry. In 2-1/2 years, we've used it for half a dozen power outages, and it can power our entire home up to about 24 hours. That's 10 emergency circuits with: refrigerator, freezer, internet, gas furnace, microwave and several outlets and lights. It can run a microwave or hair dryer. It will not run heavy duty 240V loads such as dryer, electric range or A/C for very long, even if combined with multiple Delta Pros to provide a 240V service. So much better than dealing with a gas generator. The Ecoflow has performed flawlessly.
Ah, great questions. Don't be. Batteries like these are lithium iron phosphate. Much, much safer than the infamous their cousin the lithium ion. Besides safer chemistry, the built in battery management system protects against any overload or overcharge situation. Id happily have a bunch aboard.
The iron phosphate type are not the same as L-ion.. I am paranoid of even my phones on a boat, as they are ion... but the lithium iron phosphate is immensely more stable.. The trade off is weight and energy density.. The safety comes with greater volume and mass,
The Lithium Poly were mainly the ones causing 🔥 they expand.. Like camera batteries 🤬 and in certain cases the plastic pierced the bubble and air gets in.. A good BMS with Bluetooth is key. and fit a fuse to the maximum current you will draw and use cable thick enough to reduce voltage drop.. Also you can't charge directly from a standard (not designed for Lithium) alternator or battery charger. Otherwise.. I'm in the UK and am saving up for a Lithium battery.. I've now got 3 X 100/20 Victron solar charge controllers which will do Lithium.. they have a 20A load output and can be synced via Bluetooth. Still need to buy a Lithium battery charger.. I will still have a Lead battery bank (in case it gets really cold) but let the Lithium do the work.
@@TravelsWithGeordie I think my first response has been lost? I said that I am very concerned about lithium batteries. Despite many reassurances that they are safe, while commuting to work on the M25 last summer I was seeing 2-3 EV fires a week! They are impressive fires too, a battery going up could easily get through the hull. I'm glad that aspect has been considered.
Nice that you found a sponsor, but please steer clear of reading specs during your videos. Anyone can go read the specs on the sponsor webpages. What would be interesting is how does it compare to other LIFePO batteries like Victron or CanBatt (made in Canada!) etc. Cheers, a.
That's a great point. This particular sponsorship required me to present the specs as shows. But i do agree, it feels dry. I considered comparing to other batteries but felt there are so many other doing that very well. This battery wins on price primarily. Thanks for your comment, cheers!
@@TravelsWithGeordie Peter, I am just reading my comment here and I think I am going to apologies a little bit. I did not mean to sound harsh, I enjoy your channel very much. I do not know how that YT $ making machine works. I see a lot of videos where the author just read a list on screen of the spec. of the product and it is without context and as you said : It is dry. I will confess: I am old. The thing I miss most with this buying on-line Fad is that you cannot touch or feel or get an idea of the quality of the products. It is just a shiny picture until you cross your fingers and hope not to receive a cheaply made, poorly assemble product. You get to touch it and feel it, that is more than what most of us get before actually buying the product. I can read the specs, but YOU can feel the product... Cheers, a.
Thanks so much. No apology necessary, it's a very valid point. You also put succinctly into words how i feel about this whole "my thoughts on" thing. All i can really do is project how i feel about any particular thing. I don't profess to have done a exhaustive survey of the competition or of it's minute features. As you say, i can tell you how it feels to touch.
Best damn ad I've ever seen! I appreciate quaint, down to earth marketing. Great presentation. You certainly sell the sizzle, not the steak. The close was spot on, then watching you in the dinghy as it gets darker drove the point home!
Gosh thanks! I do hope others are as enthusiastic.
Not sure I would have led off with the “ lithium is exploding”… but it did make me smile.BTW…love the Monty Pythonesque boat zipping back and forth
Ha!, Awesome, I didn't even notice.
@@timstephenson4574 I caught that... thought it was a well planned pun.
Yeah, I thought it might’ve been a risky double-entendre at first too, but then figured it had to be unintentional because it would be far too silly to deliberately bite the hand that feeds, etc.
Happily it’s a LiFePo4, not an angry Lithium ion jobbie.
Nice to see sponsorships happening Peter.
Thanks so much! We'll see how it goes.
It is about time. After you upgrade you will be like damn why didn't I do this before. Nicely done ad.
This battery looks like exactly what I am looking for. I need a combination trolling motor battery and RV battery.
I think the trolling motor version is a great option as at only $20 more, it offers the higher discharge current capacity.
@@TravelsWithGeordie I want a battery that I can swap between the two whenever I feel like it. The weight is the biggest attraction for me.
Peter, I used think that your channel was perfect the way it is but I'm now growing to your reviews of products. It feels so genuine if your opinion 👍 I love love love it
Thanks so much Colin! I was uncomfortable about these reviews and felt i could only be completely honest. I'm glad that came across.
Ha ..loved the ending ..very clever ... interesting info credibly presented ... I have 5 batteries in my boat .. you got me thinkin!
Me too, more!
6 thousand cycles that pretty dern good. They've come a long long way.
That's what I thought. That's at 80% discharge too. Some others claim 5000 but at only 50%!
Looks like a good product. Nice to have a value battery from a name brand.
Yes - I think it's a pretty good option.
It's amazing how batteries have transformed. All that energy and hardly any weight in comparison to a lead acid battery.
Gosh yes! They are impressive.
well done . i actually watched and paid attention 👍
Then my work here is done - thank you!
Brilliant, Peter. There is really no reason not to buy LiIon batteries for marine applications at this point. They offer so much more in terms of lifespan and performance. And the lighter weight aspect is my favorite of all, saves my back! Thanks for the very well put together presentation.
It was great to see a review of a LiFePO4 battery. I've been following battery evolution for a while and had some hope that the next generation would be Graphene batteries. It looks like it will be the LiFePO4 instead. I use a Li ion battery on my bike and have been trying to find a LiFePO4 replacement without any luck. Maybe it's right around the corner. Thanks for the information in your review.
Thank you Patrick! I really appreciate you reaching out here. These batteries are definitely exiting. I hope you find a suitable replacement for your bike. Thanks for watching and for your continued support of the show.
Could these replace the very heavy starting and leisure batteries in a motor boat? The weight/strain of moving conventional batteries will be an issue for me going forward.
Yes, yes, yes! That's exactly what they're good for. This one in particular has 150 amp output rating with 300 amp for 30 seconds. That's plenty to start most anything.
@@TravelsWithGeordie Thank you.
@@TravelsWithGeordie Hmm if you use case is on the low temp side i'd rather go with agm. My motorcycle lives outside all year round here in GB, on frosty days with the Li battery if definitely hesitates a little to crank the engine. never been a problem yet as it's ridden practically every day but...
You have to remember even if a 100 amp hour lithium battery cost twice as much as a 100 amp hour AGM it would still be cheaper in the long run because you can use almost all of the 100 amp hours instead of only about 50 and the batteries last three times longer.
I've been buying them on Amazon for 199.00. There's not much to complain about at that price.
Impressive
Thank you David! I certainly think so too.
Any thoughts on switching your house batteries over to LiFe? I switched my RV batteries over about this time last year and am very pleased with the results. Being able to drain the full battery charge and the almost constant voltage make a huge difference. At that time it was difficult to get batteries with low temp protection but I was able to mount the batteries inside the RV which mitigates most of the risks from low temp.
Absolutely! I am looking forward to switching the house bank to LiFePo. It's definitely a worthwhile investment at this point.
Ace Peter, good advertising. Sounds like a winner..
Thanks Darryl! I must say, i was certainly impressed.
Enjoyed your video on the new battery! I ordered one today for my canoe with an electric troll motor.
Question- what charger did you use for it?
Great! I hope you really enjoy it. I use a lithium optimized DC to DC charger run off the boat's house bank. Happy paddles!
How do you charge the LiFePo battery Peter? They have peculiar charging requirements as you know. We have two 200 AH LiFePo4 batteries for our house bank. Keep on keeping on brother. Cheers! Rick
Great question Rick. I had intended to discuss this in the video, perhaps i should. I charge with a lithium optimized DC to DC charger off the house bank. Works a treat!
you can charge a lifepo4 battery safely with a conventional lead-acid charger, but it won't be able to charge it to full capacity. that's not necessarily a bad thing, as undercharging it will actually make it last longer although 6000 cycles is already 10+ years for most people...
@@TravelsWithGeordie we use a DC/DC charger in our RV and it works great while on the road. We can also charge from shore power and solar. Taking same approach in the boat. The Victron chargers are great, bit pricey, but they're rock solid. Carry on Peter. Cheers!
Nice Review! Wish you had mentioned how you will charge the battery? Are you using the same method / equipment as you did for the lead acid battery and does it support a lithium charging profile?
Great question! I had actually intended to discuss this. Perhaps i will in an upcoming episode. I charge the lithium battery with a a lithium optimized DC to DC charger from the boat's house bank.
Thank you for sharing it's a great bargain although you didn't quote a price my friend
i did! At about the one minute mark. Perhaps i should have made more note of it.
It's not at all a bargain, but it isn't bad. The LiTime low temp 100AH is 20% less expensive, at the expense of less continuous discharge. That said, nobody is discharging their single 100aH battery at 150+ continuous for a trolling application (or anything, really).
LiFePo4 batteries are not immune from fire but are much less likely than Lion batteries. But I'd be concerned that with the battery holding 12v until shortly being depleted that there would be little warning that you were about to be stranded. Keep your oars handy!
You know, i wondered about that too. It's as if the BMS shoud have a a low reserve output terminal we could connect to a running low light of some sort. The trolling motor does have a series of battery level LEDs. I am curious to see how accurate they are.
@@TravelsWithGeordie the battery leds on the trolling motor are set for lead acid voltages, and will get you stranded...
Was that fake darkness?
Only genuine darkness on Travels with Geordie.
@@TravelsWithGeordie , In my head I could here Roy Orbison singing "I trolled all night..."
How much does this battery cost ?
It's 269.00 USD. Cheers!
Will you be the next ShamWow pitchman?
I don't know Doug. I'll have to look up what that is!
I see from the manufacture's link you provided, that this is an "LFP" lithium battery - as opposed to "NMC" chemistry. That's important. LFP or "lithium iron phosphate", produces slightly lower energy per pound (kg) than NMC (nickel, manganese, cobalt), which makes it safer and less likely to behave badly (eg fire). LFP is generally cheaper than NMC, but lasts many more charge cycles. LFP is heavier, than NMC, but still much, much lighter than lead acid. We have an Ecoflow Delta Pro portable power station with integrated inverter and LFP chemistry. In 2-1/2 years, we've used it for half a dozen power outages, and it can power our entire home up to about 24 hours. That's 10 emergency circuits with: refrigerator, freezer, internet, gas furnace, microwave and several outlets and lights. It can run a microwave or hair dryer. It will not run heavy duty 240V loads such as dryer, electric range or A/C for very long, even if combined with multiple Delta Pros to provide a 240V service. So much better than dealing with a gas generator. The Ecoflow has performed flawlessly.
Wow Ted! You've given us some good point here. Glad your enjoying your Ecoflow power station.
How many batteries are there in that system ? We deal with power outages frequently and running a gas generator is a PAIN!
I will say this, you can't use your battery placement as ballast or balance if you switch to LiFePO batteries. Maybe that's a downside?
You know that is true Jarom. But these days I'm pondering if LiFePo might be a solution for Poem's current imbalance, as she is desperately bow heavy.
I am concerned about the fire risk on a boat.
Ah, great questions. Don't be. Batteries like these are lithium iron phosphate. Much, much safer than the infamous their cousin the lithium ion. Besides safer chemistry, the built in battery management system protects against any overload or overcharge situation. Id happily have a bunch aboard.
The iron phosphate type are not the same as L-ion.. I am paranoid of even my phones on a boat, as they are ion... but the lithium iron phosphate is immensely more stable.. The trade off is weight and energy density.. The safety comes with greater volume and mass,
The Lithium Poly were mainly the ones causing 🔥
they expand..
Like camera batteries 🤬
and in certain cases the plastic pierced the bubble and air gets in..
A good BMS with Bluetooth is key.
and fit a fuse to the maximum current you will draw and use cable thick enough to reduce voltage drop..
Also you can't charge directly from a standard (not designed for Lithium) alternator or battery charger.
Otherwise.. I'm in the UK and am saving up for a Lithium battery.. I've now got 3 X 100/20 Victron solar charge controllers which will do Lithium.. they have a 20A load output and can be synced via Bluetooth.
Still need to buy a Lithium battery charger..
I will still have a Lead battery bank (in case it gets really cold) but let the Lithium do the work.
Peter is WAY more likely to fall out of the boat than to have it start fire. Surf on Peter 😂
@@TravelsWithGeordie I think my first response has been lost? I said that I am very concerned about lithium batteries. Despite many reassurances that they are safe, while commuting to work on the M25 last summer I was seeing 2-3 EV fires a week! They are impressive fires too, a battery going up could easily get through the hull. I'm glad that aspect has been considered.
You forgot the word or the week??? (j/k, please dont ban me)
Oh Racheal - so sorry. My thoughts on episodes wont include a word of the week. But fear not! Tomorrow's regular episode will.
@@TravelsWithGeordie Yes, I understand, I was just teasing 😝
Nice that you found a sponsor, but please steer clear of reading specs during your videos. Anyone can go read the specs on the sponsor webpages. What would be interesting is how does it compare to other LIFePO batteries like Victron or CanBatt (made in Canada!) etc.
Cheers,
a.
That's a great point. This particular sponsorship required me to present the specs as shows. But i do agree, it feels dry. I considered comparing to other batteries but felt there are so many other doing that very well. This battery wins on price primarily. Thanks for your comment, cheers!
@@TravelsWithGeordie
... and brand reputation.
@@TravelsWithGeordie Peter, I am just reading my comment here and I think I am going to apologies a little bit. I did not mean to sound harsh, I enjoy your channel very much. I do not know how that YT $ making machine works. I see a lot of videos where the author just read a list on screen of the spec. of the product and it is without context and as you said : It is dry.
I will confess:
I am old.
The thing I miss most with this buying on-line Fad is that you cannot touch or feel or get an idea of the quality of the products. It is just a shiny picture until you cross your fingers and hope not to receive a cheaply made, poorly assemble product.
You get to touch it and feel it, that is more than what most of us get before actually buying the product. I can read the specs, but YOU can feel the product...
Cheers,
a.
Thanks so much. No apology necessary, it's a very valid point. You also put succinctly into words how i feel about this whole "my thoughts on" thing. All i can really do is project how i feel about any particular thing. I don't profess to have done a exhaustive survey of the competition or of it's minute features. As you say, i can tell you how it feels to touch.
Interesting…
I still think you should either wear a PFD or sit down while in the dinghy. But I’m 71 and I now approach life a more conservatively. Cheers!!
Thanks Andy! I get where your coming from. I'm sure there will be a point were I concede.
other lifepo4 batteries are cheaper
Standing up in that dinghy is purely moronic, no matter how you try to justify it.