how it could3 be even overcharged??? liion battery can handle even 4,3V per cell safely and charger doesnt provide high enough voltage... can someone explain it?
@@denisnamisnak4980 Honestly I been informed by an member of the FDNY, they tired to contact some of the lithium ion battery companies to see what they can do to extinguish the flames and such and got little information they asked for more but allegedly were referenced to their lawyers. Currently at my dept, we recently purchased a large fire blanket to contain large car fire with lithium ion battries due to the nature of the fire it can't be extinguish like a normal car fire. I ain't an engineer and stuff so I don't all the details. But this is what I've been told thus far, right now however our biggest concern is knock offs and cheaper batteries
Even driver/ic can be faulty. Most common cause is not grounded properly. Or the voltage is too high. And if you buy imported vehicles, the voltage requirement might not match.
Reasons batteries catch fire 1. Leaving the charger on too long. Use a shut off timer. 2. Not using the charger that was supplied with the bike. Such as a high speed charger. 3. Buying a cheap aftermarket battery. Stick with the same replacement battery that came with the bike. 4. Do not use the battery if it has been damaged or gets hot.
not true.... at least in every battery i have seen the bms that detects the voltage and temperature of all the groups is in the battery itself.... the charger would be unable to monitor all that without having many connectors to the battery but every charger i see is just positive and negative all that overcharge or overtemp protection is built into the batttey with the bms board inside the pack
With all things regulated, question is how did these battery packs get past safety groups? It’s pretty clear the battery pack manufacturer went cheap by not installing a battery management system (BMS) or over charge protection.
Clearly it is people doing modifications to their builds to make them faster with no electrical knowledge, either that or purchased a battery that was fake in the first place
even the cheapest batteries have bms... think sometimes bms failed but if a battey was legit totally unprotected it would catch fire almost immediately
A lot can happen but be careful that your batteries never get wet because if they rust there is too much transfer resistance and it will get hot at the soldering points!!!!
Great love how they show you how to blow yourself up with charging but never mention why it does when just using it or what you can do to prevent overcharging
Suddenly, I don’t feel like buying an e-bike, e-scooter, or hoverboard. If I really got to keep an eye on the battery charging and then in general, I think I'll stick to regular human-powered bikes and scooters. Safety and having a home is more important than something like this and lose way more than money to buy the things.
Good products reduce the chances of battery mistreatment entirely unless one cell shorts and catches fire suddenly due to manufacture defect.. then remining cells will also fire up..
I have been playing with building e-bikes for 5 plus years, I have never had one battery fire. I own 7 e-bikes now all out in the shop with extra batteries on hand. I could not say why suddenly some folks have fire bombs for bikes. A few things I can think of is homemade batteries, homemade battery with no BMS wrong kind of battery charger, charger for a higher voltage. Leaving your e-bike outside 24/7, Plugging in the charger to the bike before plugging the charger to the wall. I practice none of that and have had no fires at all. Even had one guys battery get slit by the back tire one cell scorched but BMS shut it down. No Fire. I would say the worse thing is to drop any battery but that is not the issue.
Could not agree with you more, you don't have a battery fire up to the moment you have a battery fire. You also don't have car accidents up until the moment you have a car accident, you also don't break your leg until the moment you break your leg, etc.. I agree with you totally with the obvious statement that in the entire period until the first time an event occurs, it does not occur at all. But that does not mean that an unsafe device will never ever catch fire and that is what is being discussed here.
As well cellphones have caught and burned houses down. Gasoline powered vehicles also. It would seem a good idea to place anything that is changing overnight on a fire resistant surface.
It was a good idea to demonstrate the consequences of overcharging a battery. I believe that my phone's battery has overcharge protection but it also makes me wonder if older laptops and electronics also have overcharge protection built-in? I have a older laptop and it's battery was completely not holding a charge and I replaced it months ago but I don't know if the battery has overcharge protection built-in because with the older battery I would keep the laptop connected to the charger for a long time.
Anything with a rechargable lithium battery will have over charge protection built into it. It's not a matter of whether something has it or not. It's a matter of whether it malfunctions or not.
I have a maybe 4 year old laptop that got a bloated battery. I have it unplugged and just need to take a little time to remove it. Very annoying though. I also have a few old phones that got bloated batteries that I need to dispose of.
The BMS was 100% removed from this battery to cause this fire. The BMS would not allow for overcharging. Another question arises how many people have died in electric cars
@@allemander That percentage comes from lithium polymer batteries used for radio controlled airplanes, my hobby. But, 50% should be fine for lithium ion batteries. I wouldn't store at 60%.
This only seems to happen with lower end ebikes and scooter that dont have overcharge protection built into the batteries and chargers, most of them tend to come with them standard now in order to protect the batteries and the people
I rode one of these up a tropical road in st. Croix usvi and never had a problem.. one of the best experiences on a trip that I’ve ever had.. paradise on earth.. 🏝
Every commercial ebike battery has a bms protection board which prevents this from happening, the question we should be asking is why they blow up under normal use
That doesnt look like a standard "wire" that goes (Comes with) to the charger. it looks like they added their wires with no overcharge protection. Because if this was the case, everyone's E bike battery would go up in flames in every town in every state all daylong.
@@HobbyOrganist As a firefighter... It's not the fire and the battery you need to worry about. It's actually the toxic smoke, it can destroy your lungs within seconds. The fact the firefighter went in there knowing this without wearing B.A. was absolutely stupid.
Your cell phone can do the same thing. The only difference is that scooter batteries can be put together by do-it-youselfers'. Make sure you get your battery from a real company that has procedures and tools in place to test the batteries.
Bike batteries don't just catch fire like this, it has been tampered with, but it happens in rare insidens, the world is full of them so it happens all the time 😮
All lithium battery-powered devices have a built-in battery management system which prevents overcharging. If you can actually overcharge the battery, that means the management system is not working properly or you raked it to by-pass the management system.
Introducing the all new EEEEEbike battery. We no not believe in allowing our customers to be overcharged, but when it comes to their batteries, hell no.
This could all be prevented if companies just implemented a simple program that switches to trickle/maintenance charging once the battery is fully charged
Actually lithium ion batteries only lose 3 percent of the full charge when stored unlike a lead acid battery that will die completely in days without trickle feed charging. But the proper chargers make the difference. a 36 volt lithium ion battery's charger is rated to 42 volts max while a 48 volt charger is rated to 54.5 volts max charge. trying to use a charger for a lead acid battery on a lithium ion will result in fires.
Over charging doesn't explain the ones that burst into flames whilst travelling down the street, which was pretty much all the footage that this story used, except for file vision, or the one they staged themselves..
The bike battery in my dads car caught on fire last week. He opened the door and the backseat was all burnt up. Were just thankful it happened in the car and not in our home.
they should put a warning for people to see because a lot of people can't think for themselves when it comes to knowing what's dangerous and what isn't
The person who suffered burn injuties in the building I live, is back at home, I got to greed him and his friend as I was exiting the elevator, and them got in. He is using a cane at this time. His face look ok, he had lost some weight. HE IS RECOVERING, Thank God.❤
This is why a BMS is absolutely necessary to have in all PEVs. My electric unicycle has a Smart BMS, allowing me to view the condition and charge of every single individual cell. Highly important!
The issue is people get off brand chargers or put em in wrong plugs or use extension cords. Sure batteries over time do go bad but when they go bad they shouldn’t burst but more of don’t hold a charge well or just don’t charge anymore. Another thing keep the battery on the bike or scooter don’t take it off and put it on a chair.
The bike uses Lithium Ion batteries that can blow up like that due to 'thermal runaway'. Its rare but it does happen. For more info Try a Google search using 'lithium ion thermal runaway'. If your scooter doesn't use lithium batteries you have nothing to worry about.
Ive owned ebikes since 2013 and Never had an issue, often leaving them plugged in after there charged. I purchased mine from Prodeco (out of florida) and never had an issued and have used them heavily. Maybe it depends where you buy them.
Lame advise. The issue is not people overcharging or ignoring the manufacturers instruction, it's the cheap, poorly designed batteries and chargers that allow overcharging.
Get you fire extinguishers in every room or every other room in your residence. Don’t over charge the battery. Don’t leave power plug plugged in when you not charging your device. Start charging outside your house
If the battery is a lithium-ion that what usually happens as it's the densest of all lithium chemistry. All you had to do is make it sure the battery has a Battery Management System that will turn off charging if the BMS sensed it reached it's allowed battery voltage.
Ordinarily, a properly wired BMS controller wired into the battery pack will prevent overcharge. The problem is a lot of vendors misrepresent the claims of their batteries, including the very presence of BMS controllers as well as the maximum current and rating of the cells used. Chinese vendors have been known to swap out Li-ion cells for "sand batteries," for instance. There have been instances where a BMS was advertised but either not physically included (you have to peel the casing off the battery, so most people wont ever know), or was included but not rated appropriately for the pack in question so it ends up failing. This is why I buy packs from OEMs who supply batteries for larger e-scooter/e-bike brands who sell to the "brick and mortar" _big-box_ stores (like Razor, Segway, TurboAnt, Swagtron, etc.) whenever I finally power-up the e-scooters I build. Those batteries have to meet all US consumer-safety standards in order to get sold, whereas the heat-shrink wrap packs you'll find on Amazon or AliExpress under a variety of brands never face scrutiny from regulators.
Never charge up to a 100 percent, once it reach 80-90 unplug it and just bring a battery charger or look for a close charging station if the battery runs out.
There is a video on here about a guy who rode his brand new $6000 Ebike 3 miles and it burst into flames and burnt up. Up until that happened he thought it was a really good, fun bike.
Now imagine an electric car being overcharged. If car companies can’t get regular gas powered cars right what makes me as a consumer have full confidence there electric cars will be able to operate right and not have this happen
Most quality batteries have overcharge protection, like your iPhone or high end Android. Only cheap, Chinese ones don’t. It can almost halve the production cost, but do things like this…
The best overcharge protection is to not leave devices charging unattended. Even protection circuits fail. Setup a charge station in your outside shed if you casn't monitor charging so that the worst thing that would happen in a thermal runaway is that it takes out your shed only. If you live in a flat/apartment dont charge at home. Or run an extension down to street level.
I hope a lawsuit follows. Producers have the responsibility to make products safe especially when they don’t provide user with the proper instructions 🤷🏻♀️
I believe that we can avoid a large percentage of these fires if we put the batteries on the charger and we monitor them until they reach 100%, and then we disconnect them and not leave them on the charger at night while we sleep, or leave them to charge and leave the house.
I thought about getting an ebike, but then read about a lot of these things happening all the time and decided to get an old fashioned pedal bike instead. Sometimes new doesnt automatically equal better
Pretty scary. I have 2 segway mini-pros that I've used for almost 2 years and routinely have left them plugged in charging at night after using them the previous day. Never once had any issue. I also have an electric unicycle (Inmotion V11) that I've used for almost a year and done the same thing again with no issues. I keep them all out in the open in my garage though which has a concrete floor so if any of them ever catch fire it won't be able to spread.
Well you likely didn't because you're using the proper charger and plugging into the battery with a fuse and over charge prevention. This guy made a home made charging wire with no controller that plugs directly into the actual battery by bipassing the fuse. They forced this battery to over charge by removing all the safety systems.
Basically a Hoverboard situation again, if you make crappy batteries with no overcharge protection YOU WILL have this happen to you.....do the cheaper manufacturers care?... absolutely not!
I recently saw a video on a new way of putting out fires, a fireproof blanket that smothers a fire when thrown over it. Now I'm wondering if these items could be wrapped up in these blankets to help put out the fires as they start. I'm also thinking that an outside shed, a good distance from the house, is where all such devices should be kept.
@@Chickadeebunny - That is true. But that isn’t the case at the moment, so wrapping them up in fireproof blankets seems like a way to be able to sleep at night. Provided there is no outside shed to keep them in.
@@KeepCalmItsMeFanzy - I hope they can be used like that. Using the fireproof blankets to wrap up the items while you sleep seems like a clever thing to do. Also, charging them outside, away from the house, seems like the way to go too. But, if the house or garage is the only place to store them, then the fireproof blanket just might be a life and home saver.
@@KeepCalmItsMeFanzy - Okay. But, I was thinking more like having them out in the yard, charging from an outside outlet. Or in the driveway. And using a heavy duty extension cord. (I live out in the country, so no idea what those living in apartment buildings should do.)
I have a similar (but not exact) battery, but the charger turns off when it reaches a full charge. Could it be the chargers failing that causes the overcharge fires in some cases and not the packs?
I would never get any kind of E-Bike or E-Scooter. I see so many you tube videos of these bikes catching on fire. They must not be designed or protected correctly. Or people do not know how to correctly charge them up. Thanks for the video.
Really PHIL…. Stepping back in towards the fire…, why??? I’d run like heck! I know to save camera but still, should of grabbed it the first time around
Miss use of the battery could cause these problems. What's happening there is thermal run away. If the battery bursts or if it gets to hot. The BMS keeps that from happening. A BMS shouldn't fail either. Usually from not taking care of the battery. Users must understand how to take care of them or things like this happen.
"A BMS shouldn't fail either. " Shouldnt, but a 5 cent resister that failed in coffee makers caused all kinds of house fires and deaths, were talking about a 5 cent part soldered on a board made in CHINA, the land of toxic drywayy,poisoned baby formula, forged CARB certified flooring, lead in painted childrens toys...
This will always happen if your battery doesn't have overcharge protection board driver/ic
how it could3 be even overcharged??? liion battery can handle even 4,3V per cell safely and charger doesnt provide high enough voltage... can someone explain it?
You mean a bms
@@denisnamisnak4980 Honestly I been informed by an member of the FDNY, they tired to contact some of the lithium ion battery companies to see what they can do to extinguish the flames and such and got little information they asked for more but allegedly were referenced to their lawyers. Currently at my dept, we recently purchased a large fire blanket to contain large car fire with lithium ion battries due to the nature of the fire it can't be extinguish like a normal car fire. I ain't an engineer and stuff so I don't all the details. But this is what I've been told thus far, right now however our biggest concern is knock offs and cheaper batteries
Tesla cars have everything and still you find many videos of them exploding during charging
Even driver/ic can be faulty. Most common cause is not grounded properly. Or the voltage is too high.
And if you buy imported vehicles, the voltage requirement might not match.
Phil had nothing to worry about, the cameraman always survives
No they don't. watch the helicopter collision between news 15 and channel 3 in Phoenix.. now give me all the likes. Your comment is invalid
@@CelesteGates-m4s You seem like a sad person ngl
cameraman dies, he thought the camera man meme was true
Bro cant take a joke @@CelesteGates-m4s
These slow people can take a joke 😂
You deserved better, Phil.
🤣🤣🤣Good one!
Who's phil? Lmao
The camera man
@@JessicahBMilien Lmao I saw poor ole Phil
"Phil get out of there, get out"
Reasons batteries catch fire
1. Leaving the charger on too long. Use a shut off timer.
2. Not using the charger that was supplied with the bike. Such as a high speed charger.
3. Buying a cheap aftermarket battery. Stick with the same replacement battery that came with the bike.
4. Do not use the battery if it has been damaged or gets hot.
Phil was scared to death 💀
Lol
Poor Phil
Phil of the future
I don’t blame him, I would have been scared to.
can I say it
Thats why you use an original charger which stops the charge from flowing once the battery is full
not true.... at least in every battery i have seen the bms that detects the voltage and temperature of all the groups is in the battery itself.... the charger would be unable to monitor all that without having many connectors to the battery but every charger i see is just positive and negative all that overcharge or overtemp protection is built into the batttey with the bms board inside the pack
Should have used a telephoto lense with the camera further back.
@@stvlu7333 Yea, I mean he was right there. lol
You have no idea what you're talking about , do you ?
Cameraman Phil just wanted his camera
R.I.P. Camera 2022-2022
Well they got the footage some how so I assume they got his camera out on time
He could of take it nothing happens 2 camera man
@@jorgee-albertoo3enm695 I think Phil may be a special breed of cameramen that can actually get hurt.
ROFL
With all things regulated, question is how did these battery packs get past safety groups? It’s pretty clear the battery pack manufacturer went cheap by not installing a battery management system (BMS) or over charge protection.
Bribery has to be the answer boss 👍
Clearly it is people doing modifications to their builds to make them faster with no electrical knowledge, either that or purchased a battery that was fake in the first place
@@azisalive4972mostly the latter. We need to make regulations that prohibit manufacturers from cheating out on e-bikes and scooters.
@@azisalive4972dude you really should look at all the things that gets past our regulations
even the cheapest batteries have bms... think sometimes bms failed but if a battey was legit totally unprotected it would catch fire almost immediately
So we’re back to the era when hoverboards got caught on fire…
Can't they just create one of those dynamo-powered bikes that only generate electricity every time you pedal?
2010s time sighs*
“hoverboards”
Oh noo not that agian
That was my first thought....
*_Don’t treat my boy phil like that, the cameraman always survives_*
I like the reporters question "could this happen in somebody's house", when it just happened right in front on her in a "house".
You need this type of dumb reminder for a lot manchilds out there…
It's kinda just hammering the point home if u weren't watching or just dim
😂
Its not as much a question as it is a statement "yo dumb people. this means it could happen in your house"
And her actions while asking this STUPID question were over-exagerated & dramatic!
"We'll make sure that this thing will explode."
Phil: "Alright. Let me set up my camera right in front of it then."
I hope Phil got a raise who idea was it to have him that close filming that battery knowing it was going to explode.
Yeah. That was just stupid. Inside Edition level.
Exactly thank you!
It was Phil’s idea because it’s the camera man’s job to get the close up shots.
Wait a minute,they did that on purpose?!
I mean,somebody could have gotten killed for crying out loud!
@@misterycreeper6151 That's why we have big lenses and zoom.
And then the electric car in the garage says, "Hold my beer, watch this!!"
Exactly.
That can also happen to any electric cars and segways, hence never overcharge their batteries and park outside.
All electric cars already have built in battery management systems to prevent overcharging
@@IU_fanboy it can still happen
You cant over charge.
@@thatguy6214 everything has a failure rate.
I'll let my friends know not to park their electric car in their bedroom...
A lot can happen but be careful that your batteries never get wet because if they rust there is too much transfer resistance and it will get hot at the soldering points!!!!
old school bicycle with pedals has entered the chat
I hear you 😊 keep my bmx ready to go in my apartment kitchen 😬
How do you operate them?
With a smartphone app, Rose
see ya when I overtake you at 70kmh
But ebikes also have pedals?
2:09 Phil did NOT want to get out of there. I can’t blame the guy (I really can’t).
HAHAH
I think he wanted to get the camera away
Phil wanted to keep his camera safe ;(
Yeah that camera ain’t cheap
Great love how they show you how to blow yourself up with charging but never mention why it does when just using it or what you can do to prevent overcharging
Suddenly, I don’t feel like buying an e-bike, e-scooter, or hoverboard. If I really got to keep an eye on the battery charging and then in general, I think I'll stick to regular human-powered bikes and scooters. Safety and having a home is more important than something like this and lose way more than money to buy the things.
Good products reduce the chances of battery mistreatment entirely unless one cell shorts and catches fire suddenly due to manufacture defect.. then remining cells will also fire up..
Regular bikes and scooters that runs on gas ???
@@unknown81000 the human-powered ones. The old-school ones. Nothing that is engine
@@youknow95 and has more power than electric ones
In the future you better not drive a car either, just create Zipline to all your destinations at this point
I have been playing with building e-bikes for 5 plus years, I have never had one battery fire. I own 7 e-bikes now all out in the shop with extra batteries on hand. I could not say why suddenly some folks have fire bombs for bikes. A few things I can think of is homemade batteries, homemade battery with no BMS wrong kind of battery charger, charger for a higher voltage. Leaving your e-bike outside 24/7, Plugging in the charger to the bike before plugging the charger to the wall. I practice none of that and have had no fires at all. Even had one guys battery get slit by the back tire one cell scorched but BMS shut it down. No Fire. I would say the worse thing is to drop any battery but that is not the issue.
Could not agree with you more, you don't have a battery fire up to the moment you have a battery fire. You also don't have car accidents up until the moment you have a car accident, you also don't break your leg until the moment you break your leg, etc.. I agree with you totally with the obvious statement that in the entire period until the first time an event occurs, it does not occur at all. But that does not mean that an unsafe device will never ever catch fire and that is what is being discussed here.
As well cellphones have caught and burned houses down. Gasoline powered vehicles also. It would seem a good idea to place anything that is changing overnight on a fire resistant surface.
It was a good idea to demonstrate the consequences of overcharging a battery. I believe that my phone's battery has overcharge protection but it also makes me wonder if older laptops and electronics also have overcharge protection built-in? I have a older laptop and it's battery was completely not holding a charge and I replaced it months ago but I don't know if the battery has overcharge protection built-in because with the older battery I would keep the laptop connected to the charger for a long time.
yes.
Same with mine and my peers laptop, and what is the battery model. Just checking and thank you.
You don't charge batteries on a soft surface 🤦
Anything with a rechargable lithium battery will have over charge protection built into it. It's not a matter of whether something has it or not. It's a matter of whether it malfunctions or not.
I have a maybe 4 year old laptop that got a bloated battery. I have it unplugged and just need to take a little time to remove it. Very annoying though. I also have a few old phones that got bloated batteries that I need to dispose of.
Duplicate the problem and she stands there and ask
COULD THIS HAPPEN IN SOMEONE'S HOUSE WHILE THE DAMN HOUSE IS OVER THERE BURNING 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
i remember when hoverboards did that
The BMS was 100% removed from this battery to cause this fire. The BMS would not allow for overcharging. Another question arises how many people have died in electric cars
Also, if you're not going to use the battery for a while, then it's best to leave it at around 43% charged. This is storage mode.
That specific a number?
Really?
I’ve heard 50-60% is best for storage.
@@allemander That percentage comes from lithium polymer batteries used for radio controlled airplanes, my hobby. But, 50% should be fine for lithium ion batteries. I wouldn't store at 60%.
43 percent 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You should charge your battery every month even if you don’t use it
@@allemander 3.80 - 3.85 volts per cell.
This only seems to happen with lower end ebikes and scooter that dont have overcharge protection built into the batteries and chargers, most of them tend to come with them standard now in order to protect the batteries and the people
or they come with working BMS but a bit of rain and water inside the battery change the function of the BMS to zero.
Where should one see if the scooter has bms when purchasing it?
@@abelmorenorubio4022the company usually has the info stated on the product.
I rode one of these up a tropical road in st. Croix usvi and never had a problem.. one of the best experiences on a trip that I’ve ever had.. paradise on earth.. 🏝
I understand what you mean, I have an E scooter and I love riding it, people who have never ridden them don't know how good it feels to ride them
Phil was ready to risk it all for the content , get that man a raise
Phil was trying to save that expensive camera
Fr
Every commercial ebike battery has a bms protection board which prevents this from happening, the question we should be asking is why they blow up under normal use
The fact that this is an on going thing and the product isn't being pulled. Is just the craziest thing.
We should just pull gun that why murders stop....... I dont get it either so crazy
cheap 25 dollar china batteries
I think this is the part where I’m supposed to say Tesla?
Absolutely!
It's not a manufacturer issue, its on the owners to read the manual.
That doesnt look like a standard "wire" that goes (Comes with) to the charger. it looks like they added their wires with no overcharge protection. Because if this was the case, everyone's E bike battery would go up in flames in every town in every state all daylong.
exactly
the test was rigged to show what happens WHEN yu use the wrong charger or overcharge
Can't believe they let that camera man to stand so close.i hope his camera survived
He was never in danger. After all, the cameraman never dies.
They had firemen right there and water, it's not like he was going to burn up, but that $6,000 camera was right in the fire!
they needed it for the drama. The whole thing was literally planned. They knew it would burst into fire, and yet, they acted all surprised
@@HobbyOrganist As a firefighter... It's not the fire and the battery you need to worry about.
It's actually the toxic smoke, it can destroy your lungs within seconds.
The fact the firefighter went in there knowing this without wearing B.A. was absolutely stupid.
If the camera didn't survive, you wouldn't be watching the film that it recorded 😮...
Your cell phone can do the same thing. The only difference is that scooter batteries can be put together by do-it-youselfers'. Make sure you get your battery from a real company that has procedures and tools in place to test the batteries.
Charge controller? Shouldn't the charger keep the battery from over charging?
If one cell shorts.. the remaining cells will take an overvoltage unless a bcm is in the battery to detect abnormal issues
@@trexmidnite That's not in any way relevant here. Many indeed lack simple overcharge protection.
@@trexmidnite If one cell shorts then you're already going to have a fire lol.
Bike batteries don't just catch fire like this, it has been tampered with, but it happens in rare insidens, the world is full of them so it happens all the time 😮
All lithium battery-powered devices have a built-in battery management system which prevents overcharging. If you can actually overcharge the battery, that means the management system is not working properly or you raked it to by-pass the management system.
Introducing the all new EEEEEbike battery. We no not believe in allowing our customers to be overcharged, but when it comes to their batteries, hell no.
Use a normal bike! You stay fit and your house doesn't burn down!
Joe mama needs to stay fit
@@anynonymous1585 😄😄😆😆😆😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭🙂😐🤢🤮🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮😐😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭😭
This could all be prevented if companies just implemented a simple program that switches to trickle/maintenance charging once the battery is fully charged
Actually lithium ion batteries only lose 3 percent of the full charge when stored unlike a lead acid battery that will die completely in days without trickle feed charging. But the proper chargers make the difference. a 36 volt lithium ion battery's charger is rated to 42 volts max while a 48 volt charger is rated to 54.5 volts max charge. trying to use a charger for a lead acid battery on a lithium ion will result in fires.
Phil need to worry more about his safety than work😂
Over charging doesn't explain the ones that burst into flames whilst travelling down the street, which was pretty much all the footage that this story used, except for file vision, or the one they staged themselves..
The bike battery in my dads car caught on fire last week. He opened the door and the backseat was all burnt up. Were just thankful it happened in the car and not in our home.
In a few more minutes your car's gasoline tank would exploded too
they should put a warning for people to see because a lot of people can't think for themselves when it comes to knowing what's dangerous and what isn't
Until it happened right in front of their faces
Its true
Sure, like people actually READ labels, LOL!!!
Poor Phil...why did he have to yell at him? He looked traumatized
The person who suffered burn injuties in the building I live, is back at home, I got to greed him and his friend as I was exiting the elevator, and them got in. He is using a cane at this time. His face look ok, he had lost some weight. HE IS RECOVERING, Thank God.❤
Sue em, that’s what I say.
Chinese manufacturers? good luck
This is why a BMS is absolutely necessary to have in all PEVs. My electric unicycle has a Smart BMS, allowing me to view the condition and charge of every single individual cell. Highly important!
"Could this happen in someone's house?" Absolutely not there has been no cases yet that we have heard of.
Of course it couldn't happen in someone's house. It could happen in your house.
I find this reporter so irritating. She has been on this channel for years and I usually dont watch her segments
@@Paineinyourblank right??? 🤣🤣
@@poptarget good one.
@@Paineinyourblank don’t be mean. She just wanted it to be clear
wow what a good video to see one day after i bought a brand new e scooter
The issue is people get off brand chargers or put em in wrong plugs or use extension cords. Sure batteries over time do go bad but when they go bad they shouldn’t burst but more of don’t hold a charge well or just don’t charge anymore. Another thing keep the battery on the bike or scooter don’t take it off and put it on a chair.
The guy was riding it when it started burning up.
@@johnstack5008 I wonder what happened there, why did it randomly blow up. I have an e-scooter and hope to god that doesn't happen.
The bike uses Lithium Ion batteries that can blow up like that due to 'thermal runaway'. Its rare but it does happen. For more info Try a Google search using 'lithium ion thermal runaway'. If your scooter doesn't use lithium batteries you have nothing to worry about.
Camera man never dies
Ericka was a student of mine. Miss her
What do you teach
did you teach her stupidity? she watches the thing catch fire then asks if it could happen.
@@cormacthem8406 school
2:08 Phil’s face 💀 💀 💀 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Rip couch, he was a good couch
Ive owned ebikes since 2013 and
Never had an issue, often leaving them plugged in after there charged. I purchased mine from Prodeco (out of florida) and never had an issued and have used them heavily. Maybe it depends where you buy them.
Cheap ebikes from China = FLAME ON
@@YoStu242 i have four ebikes and no fires yet and I've worked them. So far so good.
Phil just wanted to get his camera
"Could this happen in somebody's house?" *me, stone faced* "absolutely not ma'am"
Impossible.
I think I just unlocked a new fear
Your cell phone can do it also
I am literally terrified, and I don’t scare that easily.
Lame advise. The issue is not people overcharging or ignoring the manufacturers instruction, it's the cheap, poorly designed batteries and chargers that allow overcharging.
Its lack of cooling and battery stress
@@casper6014 that battery was prepared
@@casper6014 bad battery quallity?
Get you fire extinguishers in every room or every other room in your residence. Don’t over charge the battery. Don’t leave power plug plugged in when you not charging your device. Start charging outside your house
Scooter “start up” Companies need to be held accountable for homicides!!!
Thanks for not telling us what to do to avoid this.
Glad Phil got out of it!
Bikes. Scooters. Cars. Cell phones.... all the same reason. Batteries!!!
Why don't these batteries have overcharge protection like almost every other rechargeable battery?
because its cheaper
china made
Unfortunately 😢
@@floopyfool they’re all China made. Even your smart phones. It depends where you get it from.
I have a X-5 electric scooter that has overcharged protection so this problem is irrelevant to brands that don’t have protection for overcharging
If the battery is a lithium-ion that what usually happens as it's the densest of all lithium chemistry. All you had to do is make it sure the battery has a Battery Management System that will turn off charging if the BMS sensed it reached it's allowed battery voltage.
pretty sure that battery had a bms
@@ChrisCrossingWires1212 But you really don't know.
Phil you a real one bro 😆.... he really wanted to save his camera lol
Now imagine this with cars.
I'm going to look for tesla fires right now
Electric cars catch on fire less than ICE engine cars according to Kelly Blue Book
I always thought the batteries were protected from overcharging I guess not😢
Ordinarily, a properly wired BMS controller wired into the battery pack will prevent overcharge.
The problem is a lot of vendors misrepresent the claims of their batteries, including the very presence of BMS controllers as well as the maximum current and rating of the cells used.
Chinese vendors have been known to swap out Li-ion cells for "sand batteries," for instance.
There have been instances where a BMS was advertised but either not physically included (you have to peel the casing off the battery, so most people wont ever know), or was included but not rated appropriately for the pack in question so it ends up failing.
This is why I buy packs from OEMs who supply batteries for larger e-scooter/e-bike brands who sell to the "brick and mortar" _big-box_ stores (like Razor, Segway, TurboAnt, Swagtron, etc.) whenever I finally power-up the e-scooters I build.
Those batteries have to meet all US consumer-safety standards in order to get sold, whereas the heat-shrink wrap packs you'll find on Amazon or AliExpress under a variety of brands never face scrutiny from regulators.
Didn’t these E-bike charger have a safety system to prevent overcharges like this from happening?
EScooter and ebike companies need to be sued.
they do. batteries and chargers have protection in them. they're either getting cheap batteries or doing something else wrong
@@JessicahBMilien apple added a Fayette feature when the phone get to a certain percentage it stop charging
Yes
Why was that guy talking to Bill like he has no work insurance or would jump on the sofa 😂
Never charge up to a 100 percent, once it reach 80-90 unplug it and just bring a battery charger or look for a close charging station if the battery runs out.
There is a video on here about a guy who rode his brand new $6000 Ebike 3 miles and it burst into flames and burnt up. Up until that happened he thought it was a really good, fun bike.
"Could this happen in someones house?"
🙄
SOME? That's an understatement lmao.
Now imagine an electric car being overcharged. If car companies can’t get regular gas powered cars right what makes me as a consumer have full confidence there electric cars will be able to operate right and not have this happen
Most quality batteries have overcharge protection, like your iPhone or high end Android. Only cheap, Chinese ones don’t. It can almost halve the production cost, but do things like this…
@@dannybeeh6332 I still wouldn’t trust them lol
@@simplyfig3942 So turn off your phone
The best overcharge protection is to not leave devices charging unattended. Even protection circuits fail. Setup a charge station in your outside shed if you casn't monitor charging so that the worst thing that would happen in a thermal runaway is that it takes out your shed only. If you live in a flat/apartment dont charge at home. Or run an extension down to street level.
I hope a lawsuit follows. Producers have the responsibility to make products safe especially when they don’t provide user with the proper instructions 🤷🏻♀️
ALL EVs do this. It's called thermal runaway. It's just the nature of lithium ion batteries. And yes, that includes Teslas.
What ever happened to Normal Bikes and Scooters?
Humans got lazy
boring
Body Odor. No showers at work lol
I believe that we can avoid a large percentage of these fires if we put the batteries on the charger and we monitor them until they reach 100%, and then we disconnect them and not leave them on the charger at night while we sleep, or leave them to charge and leave the house.
so much for the green deal
I thought about getting an ebike, but then read about a lot of these things happening all the time and decided to get an old fashioned pedal bike instead. Sometimes new doesnt automatically equal better
And ebike is better if you buy one that isn’t from a shady company who cheaps out on their products.
Good decision. Plus, you'll stay fit.
Pretty scary. I have 2 segway mini-pros that I've used for almost 2 years and routinely have left them plugged in charging at night after using them the previous day. Never once had any issue. I also have an electric unicycle (Inmotion V11) that I've used for almost a year and done the same thing again with no issues. I keep them all out in the open in my garage though which has a concrete floor so if any of them ever catch fire it won't be able to spread.
Probably best to put those plugs on timers
There is a product called firesak. You can fit your batteries or euc in it.
Well you likely didn't because you're using the proper charger and plugging into the battery with a fuse and over charge prevention. This guy made a home made charging wire with no controller that plugs directly into the actual battery by bipassing the fuse. They forced this battery to over charge by removing all the safety systems.
Basically a Hoverboard situation again, if you make crappy batteries with no overcharge protection YOU WILL have this happen to you.....do the cheaper manufacturers care?... absolutely not!
What about the Electronic vehicles cars 🚘 👀 😳
I have NEVER had a lead-acid battery in any car catch fire. Never. 👍
Same thing could be applied to your cell phone never overcharge it
this isn't 1999
This is a myth
@@vikkjayyak2642 It's possible.
If it gets hot when charging/using, UNPLUG IT/turn it off.
Don't go dead empty, that causes a heavy draw.
Why do companies even make electric scooters without battery protection circuits?
I recently saw a video on a new way of putting out fires, a fireproof blanket that smothers a fire when thrown over it. Now I'm wondering if these items could be wrapped up in these blankets to help put out the fires as they start. I'm also thinking that an outside shed, a good distance from the house, is where all such devices should be kept.
We should not have to worry about whether or not our belongings will spontaneously explode!
@@Chickadeebunny - That is true. But that isn’t the case at the moment, so wrapping them up in fireproof blankets seems like a way to be able to sleep at night. Provided there is no outside shed to keep them in.
@@KeepCalmItsMeFanzy - I hope they can be used like that. Using the fireproof blankets to wrap up the items while you sleep seems like a clever thing to do.
Also, charging them outside, away from the house, seems like the way to go too. But, if the house or garage is the only place to store them, then the fireproof blanket just might be a life and home saver.
@@KeepCalmItsMeFanzy - Okay. But, I was thinking more like having them out in the yard, charging from an outside outlet. Or in the driveway. And using a heavy duty extension cord. (I live out in the country, so no idea what those living in apartment buildings should do.)
@@ChelSierra_Remly Just throw it away lol
real man running from the fire. support phil
Everyone scared for Phil but everyone knows the camera man never dies lol
Phil a real one for going back for the camera😂
I have a similar (but not exact) battery, but the charger turns off when it reaches a full charge. Could it be the chargers failing that causes the overcharge fires in some cases and not the packs?
I would never get any kind of E-Bike or E-Scooter. I see so many you tube videos of these bikes catching on fire. They must not be designed or protected correctly. Or people do not know how to correctly charge them up.
Thanks for the video.
Well then you’re missing out on the fun because you’re gullible to believe this actually happens. Get educated stop believing clickbait
Really PHIL…. Stepping back in towards the fire…, why??? I’d run like heck!
I know to save camera but still, should of grabbed it the first time around
Miss use of the battery could cause these problems. What's happening there is thermal run away. If the battery bursts or if it gets to hot. The BMS keeps that from happening. A BMS shouldn't fail either. Usually from not taking care of the battery. Users must understand how to take care of them or things like this happen.
One youtube battery expert explained that there is always an invisible fire burning chemicals inside battery!
"A BMS shouldn't fail either. "
Shouldnt, but a 5 cent resister that failed in coffee makers caused all kinds of house fires and deaths, were talking about a 5 cent part soldered on a board made in CHINA, the land of toxic drywayy,poisoned baby formula, forged CARB certified flooring, lead in painted childrens toys...