The pieces that look different in this variation do so because they were named differently. - The Queen is called a "Counselor" - The Bishop is called an "Elephant" - The rooks are called "Chariot", though the Persian word for chariot "Rohk" is what inspired the word Rook for chess.
"Vizier" is also a common name for the Queen/Counselor piece, though this sometimes refers to a different version which moves 1 square horizontally or vertically instead of diagonally.
And it's the only promotion that exists... Like legit all you can do is downgrade the pawn. I'm guessing that originally, this mechanic only existed so that pawns wouldn't remain stuck on the last row.
Fun fact, in Poland Bishop is called "goniec" , which used to be a function of messenger (someone rasked with running and passing notes or orders between Commanders). This word in modern Times can albo be colloquially translated as "chaser". I find this funnier than having 2 Bishops as your supports xD
Crazy to see how the game looked like in the alpha versions. Wish the game updated more often though, when are they going to add the Queen Passant update which they announced in 1779?
Indonesian here, also often call it as elephant (gajah). I saw a world map which shown how the world call bishop which is heavily influenced by how it spread in the past
@@treplox4318 And then in Italian we have "Horse" (Knight), "Ensign" (Bishop) and "Tower" (Rook) lmao Rook being tower makes sense because the piece is literally a tower (and so is the horse, technically) Ensign/Standard Bearer i guess because they're the closest pieces to the royal couple so they'd be their real standard bearers
The bishops are so weird. They can never interact with the opposing side's bishops, because each of them can only ever access 16 (edit: 8) squares with no overlap.
I think people are so confused with how elephants moved, that they choose the most stupid moves for it, originally elephants move like bishops but maximum of only two diagonal square but can also jump over its own pieces but not the enemy's pieces.
Man people are confused with how elephants moved, that they choose the most stupid moves for it, originally elephants move like bishops but maximum of only two diagonal square but can also jump over its own pieces but not the enemy's pieces. They also confused with the general piece (the queen), general is just like pawn but can move backwards and only can attack diagonally, this is where the confusion originated from on what happen to the pawn after it reaches the end of the board, originally it gains the ability to move backward, so acted just like the general.
I heard that after they made the Queen OP by giving her full movement across the board, they decided to stop doing gameplay updates. Only patches and bug fixes were allowed after that.
Not really. Stalemate wasn't universally a draw until later (it was a draw in some places, but was e.g. a win for the stalamated player in England until 1800 or so).
Would love to actually see you playing Chinese chess, I played it once and it came across as very interesting and strategic to me. Does anyone know good Chinese chess websites or apps?
These were the golden days of chess, before the devs added features like "castling" and "en passant" that no one asked for. It's been 1500 years and these lazy devs still haven't even fixed game breaking bugs like the noclip horsies. Don't support this greedy company, they obviously don't care about their player base
"that thing is so useless it's even worse than a pawn." Alfil (bishop) and Ferz (queen) are still better than pawns, just noticeably worse than half a knight. Ferz is especially strong. Probably stronger than any other 4-directional elementary leaper.
Murray, p. 227, translating a passage of the so-called Man. MS, copied in 850/1446, gives an early estimation of the pieces' relative values, tried by As-Suli. "The Shah [K] is reckoned beyond value because of his superior dignity. The highest in value after the Shah is the Rukh [R]. Its value is one dirhem. The Faras' [N] value is 2/3 dirhem. The Firzan's [Q] value is 1/3 dirhem, but some say 3/8 dirhem. The Fil's [B] value is 1/4 dirhem. KP and QP, each 1/4 dirhem; BP and KtP, each 1/6 dirhem rising to 1/5 dirhem; a marginal P 1/8 dirhem because it can only take on one side." As-Suli was a Shatranj master, & according to him Alfil is worth 'bout the same as central pawn.
The ancient Indian Brahmin mathematician Sissa (AKA Sissa ibn Dahir or Lahur Sessa) is the Chaturanga's inventor, according the majority opinion of the chess historians.
There (likely) were several versions of the rules, and according to some of them yes, according to others it could also jump 2 squares in orthogonal directions. According to others it moved one square in any diagonal direction or one square forward.
So pieces jumping over pawns was a thing back in 1.0? Even if it wasn't a bug-turned feature and was just a feature from the start, it's terrible how the developers kept ignoring the player-base and kept it in when most people didn't want it. 6th Century Indian guy is literally the worst game developer.
Chinese nationalists have found a reference to a "river game" that predates Chaturanga, and claim that China was the first to invent chess. However, there is no evidence that this "river game" was actually Xiangqi or another game, and previously it is thought that Xiangqi comes from combining Chaturanga with another game's board, which makes the claim even more suspect.
@@eddiek6390 i mean if you think that chaturanga is og chess, this makes you a victim of indian nationalists and indian propaganda. same thing with persian chess. it is all relative.
Simp's "most useless piece" or the dark square bishop ended up being in on the checkmate. That piece is now my favorite Chaturanga piece.
The fact that it jumps--which Simp admits he didn't know at the start of the game--really does make it much more useful than previously thought.
Alfil x c4 was also the opponents best way of defending checlmate, Nc4 was just a straight up blunder
@@codetaku There are only eight squares on the entire chessboard each bishop is ever capable of attacking or moving to. That's pretty darn weak.
I love how even tho his TTS could say Chaturanga he still decided to mess up the name
Chotaronga
Chess Unga Bunga
that "b4-" followed by realization and 10 good seconds of silence was golden
not the mention the "f**k" afterwards
Simp：Bishops are so useless
also Simp: checkmate involving a bishop
it is not a bishop, that's an anteater
@@San-lh8us It's an elephant bruh
involving a bishop and the fact that it hops 2*√2
@reachvidurmurali , in Russia, we literally call bishops "elephants".
@@reachvidurmuralinope, it's anteater. Proven by the lack of ivories.
Crazy how the devs let you play alpha versions. Still waiting on the Chess En Passant update though
Everybody knows that en passant was a bug introduced by the addition of the Double Move perk for Pawn
Nah, the alpha version is prob Chaturaji
@@cmyk8964Fortunately Bethesda was in charge of the development of en passant, so it's now a feature, not a bug.
The pieces that look different in this variation do so because they were named differently.
- The Queen is called a "Counselor"
- The Bishop is called an "Elephant"
- The rooks are called "Chariot", though the Persian word for chariot "Rohk" is what inspired the word Rook for chess.
"Vizier" is also a common name for the Queen/Counselor piece, though this sometimes refers to a different version which moves 1 square horizontally or vertically instead of diagonally.
fun fact: bishop is still named as "Elephant" in russian. Its called "Слон"
@@xffeeotell me you're Russian without telling me you're Russian, because it's actually still called elephant in a lot of languages
@@xffeeo Some Chinese also Call it 象(Elephant)
@@xffeeo in romanian it's called nebun, which means crazy guy
The diagonal pieces nerfed means that back then, no sniper exist yet.
Oh wow, that leap protection is so nice.
0:24 it means chatura (square/intelligence) anga (battle)
Ah yes. Queens being worse than a pawn
And it's the only promotion that exists... Like legit all you can do is downgrade the pawn. I'm guessing that originally, this mechanic only existed so that pawns wouldn't remain stuck on the last row.
Bishop be like "WHO'S USELESS NOW"
2:33 I love the comedic timing. 😂
Bishops are still called elephants in some languages today
I can confirm this.
Fun fact, in Poland Bishop is called "goniec" , which used to be a function of messenger (someone rasked with running and passing notes or orders between Commanders). This word in modern Times can albo be colloquially translated as "chaser".
I find this funnier than having 2 Bishops as your supports xD
actual piece names:
Queen = Ferz
Bishop = Elephant (or Alfil, if you dont have the rule on)
Rook = Chariot
That b4 fail was painful
Next you should do: 100-rated Chess, but you can only play according to Chatarunga rules
bishop is basically a diagonal knight
It's even worse actuall, since a horsey covers 8 squares, and the bishop (or elephant) covers only 4
@@widmo206its half a knight!
A kni? Or a ght?
Crazy to see how the game looked like in the alpha versions. Wish the game updated more often though, when are they going to add the Queen Passant update which they announced in 1779?
AFAIK, there's no evidence that Chaturanga predates Chaturaji. Chaturanga might not be the "Chess 1.0".
@@hy7864Chaturaji was most likely not a chess-like game
We call chess "shatarang - شطرنج " in Arabic, and we call the bishops elephants " فيل " , but we play the last update though 😂
In Russian bishops are also called elephants. Maybe the devs forgot about localization when making updates :)
Indonesian here, also often call it as elephant (gajah). I saw a world map which shown how the world call bishop which is heavily influenced by how it spread in the past
@@alarmolordand the rook is a boat, what's that doing on the battlefield? smells like classic butchered russian localization
@@treplox4318 And then in Italian we have "Horse" (Knight), "Ensign" (Bishop) and "Tower" (Rook) lmao
Rook being tower makes sense because the piece is literally a tower (and so is the horse, technically)
Ensign/Standard Bearer i guess because they're the closest pieces to the royal couple so they'd be their real standard bearers
@@alarmolordand there are Ладья instead of rooks, right? I did a little study on Natalia Danko's porcelain design.
The bishops are so weird. They can never interact with the opposing side's bishops, because each of them can only ever access 16 (edit: 8) squares with no overlap.
I think people are so confused with how elephants moved, that they choose the most stupid moves for it, originally elephants move like bishops but maximum of only two diagonal square but can also jump over its own pieces but not the enemy's pieces.
They can touch 8 squares because they can move on half squares of their color.
They can access only 8 squares, not 16.
@@playhard7193:24 literally jumped over the enemy piece
thank you for the corrections, edited
The ending is extremely ironic for me in a way since I’d failed to checkmate with a Bishop and Knight today😅
Chess hasn't had any updates in so long that it's hard to imagine that there might've been a beta. Glad to see history take note of it
Wow. Elephants AND horses. What a game.
Thank the chess gods this game was updated.
The bishops looking like elephants which look really similar to horses threw me off a bit.
The forbidden Bishop + Knight Checkmate
scaramouche theme goes hard
2:37
Bro forgot the pawns can only move one square
0:41: As if it makes a difference.
Wow I was mostly confused throughout this video.
actually really interesting seeing this older version of the game
Man people are confused with how elephants moved, that they choose the most stupid moves for it, originally elephants move like bishops but maximum of only two diagonal square but can also jump over its own pieces but not the enemy's pieces.
They also confused with the general piece (the queen), general is just like pawn but can move backwards and only can attack diagonally, this is where the confusion originated from on what happen to the pawn after it reaches the end of the board, originally it gains the ability to move backward, so acted just like the general.
I heard that after they made the Queen OP by giving her full movement across the board, they decided to stop doing gameplay updates. Only patches and bug fixes were allowed after that.
Not really.
Stalemate wasn't universally a draw until later (it was a draw in some places, but was e.g. a win for the stalamated player in England until 1800 or so).
Would love to actually see you playing Chinese chess, I played it once and it came across as very interesting and strategic to me. Does anyone know good Chinese chess websites or apps?
This feels so weird at times, cause the queen & bishop is just so nerfed
So are the pawns.
Power creep afflicts all games, evidently.
Now a wait for shogi video
In the end, that elephant became extremely useful. Bishop, knight and pawn checkmate is OP pls buff.
I swear that music is from a game called 20XX...
Chess but old (real)
Ree-uhL
These were the golden days of chess, before the devs added features like "castling" and "en passant" that no one asked for. It's been 1500 years and these lazy devs still haven't even fixed game breaking bugs like the noclip horsies. Don't support this greedy company, they obviously don't care about their player base
I'm pretty sure checks and checkmates didn't exist in the literal first draft. this is after the first patch.
Wow, I didn't see that checkmate! Nice one.
that was such a cool checkmate
who else thought this channel is about men doing body building?
"that thing is so useless it's even worse than a pawn."
Alfil (bishop) and Ferz (queen) are still better than pawns, just noticeably worse than half a knight. Ferz is especially strong. Probably stronger than any other 4-directional elementary leaper.
Murray, p. 227, translating a passage of the so-called Man. MS, copied in 850/1446, gives an early estimation of the pieces' relative values, tried by As-Suli.
"The Shah [K] is reckoned beyond value because of his superior dignity. The highest in value after the Shah is the Rukh [R]. Its value is one dirhem. The Faras' [N] value is 2/3 dirhem. The Firzan's [Q] value is 1/3 dirhem, but some say 3/8 dirhem. The Fil's [B] value is 1/4 dirhem. KP and QP, each 1/4 dirhem; BP and KtP, each 1/6 dirhem rising to 1/5 dirhem; a marginal P 1/8 dirhem because it can only take on one side."
As-Suli was a Shatranj master, & according to him Alfil is worth 'bout the same as central pawn.
I disagree on it being heavily nerf, more accurately it would be "haven't recieved significant buff"!
I can't believe my suggestion finally got adapted... Although I had to wait for this mode to get created 😅
At least the knights aren't nerfed like they are in shogi! Being able to move only forward? No thanks!
john chess is actually the inventor of chess, he looked kinda like steve jobs with a
mustache or smth
Glad the game got some updates so pieces actually are more useful by now^^
By any chance, is there a sort of joke mode that attempts to predict Chess in the year 3000?
How is that checkmate? Can’t the queen/counselor take the horsie
'chess unga bunga'
wait why can't the queen take the knight?
She can only move one square diagonally 😬
Truly the worst piece.
thx, I missed the "diagonally" part when simo explained the rules
@@fiendfi7119 I had the exact same confusion and had just gone back to the beginning to hear the rules again before seeing your comment 😅
Actually surprised how similar it is to Chinese chess
The ancient Indian Brahmin mathematician Sissa (AKA Sissa ibn Dahir or Lahur Sessa) is the Chaturanga's inventor, according the majority opinion of the chess historians.
majority of such historians are probably indians :D
love this.
100 rated Chinese chess challenges, when?
that bishop is so confusing.. i've been confusing it with a horse the entire video
Can the bishops/elephants move one square diagonally too, or literally just exactly two squares diagonally?
There (likely) were several versions of the rules, and according to some of them yes, according to others it could also jump 2 squares in orthogonal directions.
According to others it moved one square in any diagonal direction or one square forward.
What's the background music around 0:46 ?
It's in the description. Last Dance by Xomu.
i like the remastered version better
this has to be the longest video on this channel.. wow.
The only thing your enemy could've done in that position to not get check-mated was to take your c4 horsie with his e6 elephant, wasn't it?
There are several possible moves:
Bxc4
Nb5
Ne4
Qc8
Qc6
The queen moves are to vacate the d7 square for the king.
Chess unga bunga!
Chess originated in China, not in India, around 200 B.C.
Almost 6 min video, thats a like
Simp never fails to make me laugh XD
So pieces jumping over pawns was a thing back in 1.0? Even if it wasn't a bug-turned feature and was just a feature from the start, it's terrible how the developers kept ignoring the player-base and kept it in when most people didn't want it. 6th Century Indian guy is literally the worst game developer.
Chess-ungu-boonga 😂😂
It is elephant lmao
Wasn't chaturanga a four player game? Or was that shatranj?
Could the queen not kill the knight at the end? I don't understand.
Back then, there's no queen -cuz woman hasn't been invented yet-
Shatranj have counselor or ferz which moves one square diagonally instead of queen
Im confused, why couldnt the queen take the knight at the end?
Because it hasn't gotten the power to move orthogonally yet.
didnt chineses chess come before chatarunga
Chinese nationalists have found a reference to a "river game" that predates Chaturanga, and claim that China was the first to invent chess. However, there is no evidence that this "river game" was actually Xiangqi or another game, and previously it is thought that Xiangqi comes from combining Chaturanga with another game's board, which makes the claim even more suspect.
@@eddiek6390 i mean if you think that chaturanga is og chess, this makes you a victim of indian nationalists and indian propaganda. same thing with persian chess.
it is all relative.
It is pronounced as shut-run-j… well that is closest I can think of explaining with English spellings
Careful with calling bishops useless, remember what happened to Top Chess. 😜
Ah yes, chess unga bunga.
Now do shogi
awesome
Chess Simp is playing the Cow!?
Bishops are more useless than the one in Top Chess
Video 28 of asking simp to play fps chess
to be honest changa boonga sounds better than Chaturanga
Eleventh
Fourth commemt
first
Cringe
Actually first. Cool.
@@sonicgunners swag
cool, the comment says 29 minutes ago while the first reply says 30 minutes ago.
lol@@bombintheseeinq