Looked at hundreds of machinist videos and have yet to see the cloth on the end of your oil can, very slick idea and worth the price of admission to your channel !
Michel whenever I need a no nonsense approach to making homemade shop tools I come to your channel. I am gonna make a sortof surface plate with a cast iron table saw table. Problem #1 was holding it down on my milling machine because the part is pretty big. Your hold down tool design gives me the idea I could hold it down the same way. Gonna use a fly cutter to knock down the high spots. Then I’ll steel ideas from Stephan and Robin to lap and scrape it to a descent level of flatness. Wish me luck 🙂
Hey, you pointed out the flaws, as we are all wont to do on our own work, but it is a very usable reference surface for the level of machining that we as home hobbyists do. Especially when it only cost you a piece of scrap, some time in the shop to play, and 4 bolts. I'd still count it as a win. As for the reasoning behind the mug from your children, it may just be a bit of both reasons you gave . . . I'll test that theory here in 10 years with my own son . . .
Michael, when you said your kids gave you the mug and you said only two reasons they would I immediately said they want money. Being a good dad comes second especially if they're girls. Nice little project for the shaper. One question is could you have done the edge facing on the mill and maybe have made it a bit bigger? My surface plate is cast iron. The end of my circular saw table about 24"*12". I haven't tested it for flatness but most ground things I put on it don't seem to rock so I'm assuming, for my purposes, it's flat. Not as though I'm machining parts for the Canadian Space Agency to NASA specifications of less than one part in ten billion. Regards from Canada's banana belt. 🤞❄️🇨🇦🍌🥋🇺🇦🕊️🇧🇪👍
🟢 Friend! I don't have a very thick stone (100mm). I have a lot of 20mm stones. I intend to "work" 3 large diameter stones (1000mm X 1000mm). I think 20mm is too unstable for a big rock like that. Can I glue several stones to get a more stable thickness? I chose a harder black stone in my region of Brazil. I also thought about making ribs in the shape of honeycombs between a sandwich of two 20mm stones.
I'm not sure I understand what you want to do, but indeed, you can glue stones. An old friend of mine is a stone worker and several times he glues stones together with great results.
Interesting, this is the very first step to make a surface plate out from scrap metal. Can you someday show how to make it micron precision surface finish?
What a great build. I will make one on my shaper as well. I have a height gauge that I have never used because I didn’t have a good flat surface I use it on!!! Thanks for posting
That crash was similar to the one ABOM had on his big boy G&E mill. I love Shapers of any size. I love the straight line striated surface finish. It looks great if not perfect. I would go with reason number #2, speaking from experience as a father of two, now almost middle aged, pre-millennialls.
Great job! I had a piece of glass glued on a piece of plywood that I used as a rough surface plate, and I still use it out of convenience in the basement shop. You do realize , every one of us loves to see those chips fly, cheers!
Watching chips fly is one thing. Hearing this cracking soung when you step on it is another :-) I am looking around to find me a piece of tombstone that i could use as a surface plate.
@@Rustinox try going to the kitchen counter makers that use granite and manufactured stone, basically concrete with coloured stone in the mix and then they grind them flat. See if you can get the bit they cut out for the sink. Would make a nice sized one. Not an "A" class one but good enough for the average shop. Greetings from Canada.
Gday, you have just givin me a new project, now I have to find a piece of 1” plate, thank you very much for adding to my “to do list”, much appreciated and I think the kids really think your a cool dad and handing out money is just the normal. Now to start looking Matty
ahh lovely video! if you want to go the extra mile (thats 1.6km for us metric folks), you could try to get more plate, 2 more pieces to be precise, and use the whitworth method to get 3 very flat surfaces. yes you only need one, the other 2 are just extras from the process... but can come so handy. also. you seem like that kind of guy one'd go to spend time at his shop and talk about machines, women and life while holding a warm cup coffee. (one of those 3 subjects can olny derive into pure conjectures)
Well, indeed it is. The old barge i used to work on was scrapped one year ago. The boss allowed me to take some parts. This plate used to be a blind flange for a 10 inch pipe.
@@Rustinox Hell - you mean that's a steel surface plate, not a cast iron one? I was going to suggest you borrow a granite surface plate, and scrape your plate into better accuracy, but scraping steel is NO FUN!
Looking for some videos on how to lap such stones to make them flat. I have several pieces of granite countertop that are flat enough for my woodwork, but not for machining
@@trackie1957 Look up the Whitworth 3 plate method. With that method you can use a set of 3 granite plates to lap each other to very high flatness. You can also use that method on a set of 3 cast iron or steel plates, though due to their much higher hardness it will also take substantially longer to lap them to the desired high flatness. However in the case of cast iron or steel you can also use hand scraping or grinding instead of lapping, using acrylic paint spread with a paint roller on one of the plates and rubbing that plate against the other one to transfer the paint to all the plate's high spots, then scrape or grind those high spots away by hand.
@@pieterveenders9793 Yes, that’s how they make optical flats, too. If you use only two plates of glass and don’t flip them, the lower becomes convex while the upper becomes concave, which is how you grind telescope mirrors. Amazing how some of the most geometrically precise things are made using pretty basic techniques!
I use a marble cutting board as a surface plate. the work I do isn’t that picky I just need something better then the my work branch. Thanks for sharing!
Nice! We're all our own worst critics 😉. It turned out well 👍. I've got some nasty back issues too, might want to cobble up some saw horses to clamp those pieces to. That was hurting my back just watching you 🤣. Thanks for the share 👍😁👍
Just an afterthought, would it be possible to add or swap drive pulleys on your shaper? You know, to slow it down and give the ol' girl a little more torque. 🤔😊
Turned out well Rustinox I like the clamps. You could bolt a wide work piece stop to the end of your table it already has holes in it. It will help you square the work up as well. Enjoyed the big job on the small shaper. Thank you for the sticker shout out. Tony
Interesting video. Thank you. What make of shaper do you have? I have an Elliot M10 which I enjoy using. I fully agree with your comments about double checking that nothing could foul before turning on the power.
Oh i forgot did your daughters horse get jis new shoes? Om im watching for them hes quite the fellow i like the way it looked like he was being tickled an laughing. Enjoying your channel thanks for the videos
@@woozhi9218my father was a Machinist at Ingersoll Rand in South Africa about 1930's. One of his tests for his certification was to "file" a compressor cylinder head casting flat so the machine would pump air without a gasket between the head and the block. Always impressed me that anyone would be expected to be able to achieve that let alone do it.
"Until now, these two blocks didn't fell off. So - I suppose that's a good sign?" :-D Good to see you again Rustinox. Great project, a great success. It will come in very handy.
Finding useful stuff is a big problem for me too. In the region where i live it is not allowed to have a pile of scrap metal. (pollution) Sometimes i can get some things from work. (with permission of course)
Used to have a little bench shaper and let it go when shop ran out of machine space. Miss it still. Nothing like running the shaper and drinking a cup of coffee in the shop to cool your nerves. Thanks for showing the fails. That is where we learn things.
Thanks for the tip. I really appreciate it. I have to admit that for me the sound quality is a bigger problem than the image quality. I think i gonna look around for a better camera and see if i can upload in better quality.
Andrew I couldn’t have said it better, Rustinox seems to be suggesting my shed is full of “projects ”. @ Rustinox. The humour takes your machining to another level
@@Man-in-da-shed Michel is correct in what he says. Your shed, Ian, is indeed a trove of projects in the making. Some of the metal you recently kindly gave me is currently being used on a much needed project of my own. As @rustinox so often eloquently proves, scrap is “a new project that isn’t done yet”. 👏👏👍😀
I love how you take scrap materials and make really nice tools. I never fail to be impressed and entertained.
Thanks Robert. We do what we can, don't we?
Not a fail to me. Great success. Looks great. Get Stefan to scrape it for you. This project must of took days. Thanks you for sharing Michel.
I'm not sure Stefan will scrape soft steel. Cast iron would have been better, but this is what i've got.
Love your videos. Come on this guy need more subs. Thank you.
Thanks Mike.
Why not make it 4-5 cm larger? You also should mount precision surface on tripod. Investigate lapping precision surfaces
I can't make it bigger. This is the maximum size the machine can handle.
Looked at hundreds of machinist videos and have yet to see the cloth on the end of your oil can, very slick idea and worth the price of admission to your channel !
Thanks for your sub. It is not really an oil pot.
You can find them on line as "glue can with brush for leather works"
Michel whenever I need a no nonsense approach to making homemade shop tools I come to your channel. I am gonna make a sortof surface plate with a cast iron table saw table. Problem #1 was holding it down on my milling machine because the part is pretty big. Your hold down tool design gives me the idea I could hold it down the same way. Gonna use a fly cutter to knock down the high spots. Then I’ll steel ideas from Stephan and Robin to lap and scrape it to a descent level of flatness. Wish me luck 🙂
Learn from each other. That's why we do TH-cam.
I wish you luck, but I'm sure you gonna nail it.
You have such a great demeanor and your projects are very interesting. Thank you for the content!
Thanks Lars.
Hey, you pointed out the flaws, as we are all wont to do on our own work, but it is a very usable reference surface for the level of machining that we as home hobbyists do. Especially when it only cost you a piece of scrap, some time in the shop to play, and 4 bolts. I'd still count it as a win. As for the reasoning behind the mug from your children, it may just be a bit of both reasons you gave . . . I'll test that theory here in 10 years with my own son . . .
One of my upcoming projects is to make a height gage to draw lines on the parts.
@@Rustinox "Height gauge" or "scribing gauge"?
@@paulwomack5866 well... scribing gauge... thing.
Great addition to the shop, not an easy project 🤔.
Thanks for sharing.
It's too soft and have only the precision of my shaper, but for me it is good enough.
Michael, when you said your kids gave you the mug and you said only two reasons they would I immediately said they want money. Being a good dad comes second especially if they're girls. Nice little project for the shaper. One question is could you have done the edge facing on the mill and maybe have made it a bit bigger?
My surface plate is cast iron. The end of my circular saw table about 24"*12". I haven't tested it for flatness but most ground things I put on it don't seem to rock so I'm assuming, for my purposes, it's flat.
Not as though I'm machining parts for the Canadian Space Agency to NASA specifications of less than one part in ten billion.
Regards from Canada's banana belt.
🤞❄️🇨🇦🍌🥋🇺🇦🕊️🇧🇪👍
When I made this, I didn't had the milling machine yet.
🟢 Friend! I don't have a very thick stone (100mm). I have a lot of 20mm stones.
I intend to "work" 3 large diameter stones (1000mm X 1000mm). I think 20mm is too unstable for a big rock like that.
Can I glue several stones to get a more stable thickness?
I chose a harder black stone in my region of Brazil.
I also thought about making ribs in the shape of honeycombs between a sandwich of two 20mm stones.
I'm not sure I understand what you want to do, but indeed, you can glue stones. An old friend of mine is a stone worker and several times he glues stones together with great results.
Too cool, in love with your channel,,, no funny business, but your adituded to tackeling a project is most inspiring, Bear
Thanks Bear. Everything is possible. Just go for it.
If your kids are like mine - they'll be asking to make a Withdrawal from "The Bank of Dad", soon.......
Lol.
Hi a few cosmetic imperfections, but a very well made shop tool. nice video and thanks for sharing
Thanks Tinker.
Those missed bits are what I call "Adding Character" 👍
You're right. I still use it as is.
Interesting, this is the very first step to make a surface plate out from scrap metal. Can you someday show how to make it micron precision surface finish?
Unfortunately I can't. I don't have the right tools.
Great video! And I loved the oil can with a brush (a mustached oiler?).
What a great build. I will make one on my shaper as well. I have a height gauge that I have never used because I didn’t have a good flat surface I use it on!!! Thanks for posting
Go for it. And show us the result.
That crash was similar to the one ABOM had on his big boy G&E mill. I love Shapers of any size. I love the straight line striated surface finish. It looks great if not perfect. I would go with reason number #2, speaking from experience as a father of two, now almost middle aged, pre-millennialls.
It was indeed the same kind of crash Adam had. Even if i always pay attention to it, sometimes s**t happens.
Great job! I had a piece of glass glued on a piece of plywood that I used as a rough surface plate, and I still use it out of convenience in the basement shop. You do realize , every one of us loves to see those chips fly, cheers!
Watching chips fly is one thing. Hearing this cracking soung when you step on it is another :-)
I am looking around to find me a piece of tombstone that i could use as a surface plate.
@@Rustinox That would be interesting to see, I don't believe i've seen a video of anyone tackling stone yet!
@@Rustinox try going to the kitchen counter makers that use granite and manufactured stone, basically concrete with coloured stone in the mix and then they grind them flat. See if you can get the bit they cut out for the sink. Would make a nice sized one. Not an "A" class one but good enough for the average shop. Greetings from Canada.
Gday, you have just givin me a new project, now I have to find a piece of 1” plate, thank you very much for adding to my “to do list”, much appreciated and I think the kids really think your a cool dad and handing out money is just the normal. Now to start looking Matty
With your shaper it will be easy to do. Have fun with it.
Nice plate project saves pocket money for better and best.
Thanks. Maybe one day i'll be rich.
Great video I am glad I found your videos, great content!
Thanks Bill.
I expect the cutoff tool would work better if it was a gooseneck type.
Doesn't make any difference.
G’day Rusti, nicely done on this project. That was a big job for your little machine, I reckon it deserves a rest now.
Cheers
Peter
Indeed. I pushed the machine to its limits.
ahh lovely video! if you want to go the extra mile (thats 1.6km for us metric folks), you could try to get more plate, 2 more pieces to be precise, and use the whitworth method to get 3 very flat surfaces. yes you only need one, the other 2 are just extras from the process... but can come so handy.
also. you seem like that kind of guy one'd go to spend time at his shop and talk about machines, women and life while holding a warm cup coffee. (one of those 3 subjects can olny derive into pure conjectures)
That 1" plate looks like a part from your ship.....lol. Regards Kevin
Well, indeed it is. The old barge i used to work on was scrapped one year ago. The boss allowed me to take some parts. This plate used to be a blind flange for a 10 inch pipe.
I thought so too
@@Rustinox Hell - you mean that's a steel surface plate, not a cast iron one?
I was going to suggest you borrow a granite surface plate, and scrape your plate into better accuracy, but scraping steel is NO FUN!
Lovely job , I too lack having a surface plate , so I think I am going to visit some stone mason yards for a bit of granite, Great vid Mike
That's a good idea. A piece of tombstone will do the trick.
Looking for some videos on how to lap such stones to make them flat. I have several pieces of granite countertop that are flat enough for my woodwork, but not for machining
@@trackie1957 Look up the Whitworth 3 plate method. With that method you can use a set of 3 granite plates to lap each other to very high flatness. You can also use that method on a set of 3 cast iron or steel plates, though due to their much higher hardness it will also take substantially longer to lap them to the desired high flatness. However in the case of cast iron or steel you can also use hand scraping or grinding instead of lapping, using acrylic paint spread with a paint roller on one of the plates and rubbing that plate against the other one to transfer the paint to all the plate's high spots, then scrape or grind those high spots away by hand.
@@pieterveenders9793
Yes, that’s how they make optical flats, too. If you use only two plates of glass and don’t flip them, the lower becomes convex while the upper becomes concave, which is how you grind telescope mirrors. Amazing how some of the most geometrically precise things are made using pretty basic techniques!
Simply outstanding!👍👍👍
Thanks.
Smashing video. Always a smile at the end.
Thanks.
I use a marble cutting board as a surface plate. the work I do isn’t that picky I just need something better then the my work branch. Thanks for sharing!
Came out very nice. Thanks for sharing with us.
Thanks. My pleasure.
Nice! We're all our own worst critics 😉. It turned out well 👍. I've got some nasty back issues too, might want to cobble up some saw horses to clamp those pieces to. That was hurting my back just watching you 🤣. Thanks for the share 👍😁👍
Thanks. I have serious problems in my back and neck. Really not fun...
Do I need to mail you a new t-shirt? :)
Thanks, but no need. I will knit one myself with the steel wool the sheertool produced.
Rustinox 👍😂
Dad's are only there as an ATM.
I have no idea what ATM means but i'm sure you're right.
@@Rustinox Automatic teller machine [or wall mounted cash machine!]
Just an afterthought, would it be possible to add or swap drive pulleys on your shaper? You know, to slow it down and give the ol' girl a little more torque. 🤔😊
Good idea. I will study that one of these days.
Turned out well Rustinox I like the clamps. You could bolt a wide work piece stop to the end of your table it already has holes in it. It will help you square the work up as well. Enjoyed the big job on the small shaper. Thank you for the sticker shout out. Tony
That workpiece stop is a good idea. It will also make it easier to trim the other vices i have for this machine.
Nice project, love shaper work.
Thanks. I love shaper work too :)
That came out ok in the end , very useable for what we do . Nice job , Cheers .
For what i need it it's good enough. No need of high precision.
Where are you? I'm "just down the road" from Belgium on the Northern outskirts of Paris!
Belgian Ardennes.
@@Rustinox T'es pas loin!
@@MatthewTinker-au-pont-blanc It's a small planet we live on.
@@Rustinox
Roger De Vlaeminck and Eddy Merckx were my heroes growing up! I admire Johan Museeuw, too…
Interesting video. Thank you.
What make of shaper do you have? I have an Elliot M10 which I enjoy using. I fully agree with your comments about double checking that nothing could foul before turning on the power.
It's an AI Hembrug, build in the Netherlands. It has a stroke of 200mm (8inch)
@@Rustinox looks like a good quality machine. I'm going to look it up on lathe.co.uk
Hardly a fail. Nice work!!
Thanks Dave.
Oh i forgot did your daughters horse get jis new shoes? Om im watching for them hes quite the fellow i like the way it looked like he was being tickled an laughing. Enjoying your channel thanks for the videos
Thanks for your time, Gary. The horse is OK.
Hey, Dad, I need more pocket money!
I think machinists need pocket money more than anybody. There is always a tool we need to buy.
Aha! And where is the coffee mug you offered me?
@@hilltopmachineworks2131 can i make a joke(pffff i use files)
@@woozhi9218my father was a Machinist at Ingersoll Rand in South Africa about 1930's. One of his tests for his certification was to "file" a compressor cylinder head casting flat so the machine would pump air without a gasket between the head and the block. Always impressed me that anyone would be expected to be able to achieve that let alone do it.
Fantastic video! It makes me wish I had a shaper.
I am sure you will find one someday. It's lots of fun to operate a shaper.
No plans of making if even flat.
For what i do with it, it's flat enough. Thanks for your comment.
I would keep a eye out a bit of cast iron. It's more stable than steel and alot better for scraping.
Indeed it is, but finding scrap metals in my neighborhood is not easy.
"Until now, these two blocks didn't fell off. So - I suppose that's a good sign?" :-D
Good to see you again Rustinox. Great project, a great success. It will come in very handy.
And they still hold... for now.
What a fun little project! Thanks for sharing!
It was more work than i thought. But indeed fun to do.
What a great project. I think the cup is for money, just leave it in there they will find it. 😁 Thanks for the video!
Not sure, but i'll try.
U got a cool source for usefull material.... to get such is one of my bigger problems..
Cool vid as ever, go on teaching me pls!
Finding useful stuff is a big problem for me too. In the region where i live it is not allowed to have a pile of scrap metal. (pollution)
Sometimes i can get some things from work. (with permission of course)
A nice project again.
Thanks.
Great video i did it with my shaper 👏👏
Thanks. I've seen your shaper videos. Nice machine.
Thanks bro you are great to ❤
Used to have a little bench shaper and let it go when shop ran out of machine space. Miss it still. Nothing like running the shaper and drinking a cup of coffee in the shop to cool your nerves. Thanks for showing the fails. That is where we learn things.
So now you have to find a new shaper...
@@Rustinox Actually, I started looking for one last night. They are kind of rare in the part of USA where I live. :)
Rustinox, raise your video upload quality, thanks brother
Thanks for the tip. I really appreciate it. I have to admit that for me the sound quality is a bigger problem than the image quality. I think i gonna look around for a better camera and see if i can upload in better quality.
The worlds best coffee mug stand 😂👏👏👍
Such an impressive and entertaining build from what looked like a piece of unusable scrap. Pure inspiration 👏👏👍😀
Scrap doesn't exist. It's just a new project that isn't done jet.
Andrew I couldn’t have said it better, Rustinox seems to be suggesting my shed is full of “projects ”. @ Rustinox. The humour takes your machining to another level
@@Man-in-da-shed Michel is correct in what he says. Your shed, Ian, is indeed a trove of projects in the making. Some of the metal you recently kindly gave me is currently being used on a much needed project of my own. As @rustinox so often eloquently proves, scrap is “a new project that isn’t done yet”. 👏👏👍😀
Nice project
Thanks.
Bravo! I really enjoyed your epilogue. Salutations from Canada good sir.
You are inspiring.
now surfaces grind and scrap it and stone it and your done good job
Thanks Dan. I think i gonna leave it as is. For the kind of little jobs i do it will be good enough.
good one
Thanks.
Nice work!
You now need to make sure it is perfectly level. Otherwise you might spill some coffee
Finding a perfectly level spot in my workshop would be quite a challenge.
@@Rustinox lol
lol
Chances are, you are wright on both points
Not sure. I will ask my kids.
Божественный строгальный станок. Мечта.
Thanks.
We all have our bo-bos on our machines. Nice video
Indeed. After all it's all part of the fun, isn't it?
@@Rustinox Mine's called Murphy. He has thousands of laws. Basically "what can screw up will screw up". And probably at the worst possible time.
Not perfect but not bad at all!
I will give it a good finish with a stone and for me that will do.
Awesome video! Subscribed :)
Thanks.
Great video. To see a shaper in action is amazing.
Thanks. To operate one is even more.
ya, anyone that can use a shaper is old school and cool
ik heb veel bewondering voor je werk !
Dank je wel Ludo. Gewoon eraan beginnen en dan zien we wel waar het schip strand. Da's de truuk.
Nice work.
Thanks.