Really strange and optimistic at the same time that despite Taiwan having almost non-existent relations, it is still a thriving 1st World Country unlike most unrecognized countries such as Kosovo, Abkhazia & Ossetia.
'Official' recognition though Most just go along with CCP so they wouldn't have to deal with all those CCP non-sense. while still talk and trade with Taiwan by other means.
kosovo was badly affected by the yugoslav wars; abkhazia and south ossetia are puppet states that are used as military outposts by russia, as well as being ruled by mob bosses and corrupt politicians
Taiwanese 🇹🇼 viewer here, and I would like to say hello to everyone down in the comment section. About our country losing diplomatic ties, most people are becoming apathetic because through our lifetime we’ve seen too many countries that first claim to maintain relationships with us, then turn their backs on us for some tasty Chinese RMB. I’m not sure how to feel about this, and I wish there could be a solution for countries to recognize both Taiwan and China, but currently there’s no viable solution, because it requires us to amend our constitution and officially change the title of our country from “Republic of China” to “Republic of Taiwan”, while a lot of Taiwanese are not supportive enough to make those changes, for fear that this act might “enrage China”.
The events that happened in Hong Kong when China got the control back, were they also a great shock for pro-china Taiwanese? Would Taiwan be more open to China if China didn't act so authoritarian in Hong Kong?
Honestly as a student of history I kind of blame post civil war run Taiwan (under Chiang I think) for this mess. Clearly no invasion of the mainland was ever going to occur once the civil war on the mainland was lost and rather than claiming the mainland and ruling as ROC they should have just declared independence earlier as the Republic of Taiwan. That way diplomatic missions as a new nation that isn't china technically could have been done rather than keeping the obviously unfavorable status quo in place where you're relying on small nations for recognition all of whom will be bribed easily.
Most countries have figured out you can have official relation with PRC and unofficial relation with ROC which allows them to essentially do business with both.
Even though this is the case for most countries, there are still countries that refuse to have any official relation with the PRC and chose to have an official relationship with the ROC instead. Pretty daring and courageous if you ask me
As a person living in Honduras, I can state that besides the economic matters, the Government decided to switch to mainland China mostly because of political ideologies and China’s strong campaign to make business with the countries in the region in exchange of lands to build military bases, such as in El Salvador, not realising this is also a strategy to isolate the US as well in terms of local allies.
Unfortunately the US and. Europe has such a horrible racist history in the Southern and Central Americas that they are easily being cultivated by China. This is going to be a regretful decision for Honduras. China is not an importing nation except for food, they won't help you grow industrially or technologically and they'll look to provide jobs for Chinese first.
The Monroe Doctrine has kept Old World conflicts out of the Americas for almost two centuries. Why would these stupid leftists invite the Chinese military over?
I am not qualified or knowledge in the political climate of Central America, but it seems that China has little to gain through its economic influence there. China can’t control much outside of cutting off funds
@@jacobfield3951 one of the reasons for china’s investment in central america is the idea of the dry canal planned since the 19th century conecting the gulf of Fonseca and Puerto Corres, one of the most important ports in the region, which would make sending goods faster than through the Panama Canal, being ideal for china to influence as also honduras has a n american base on Palmerola. So the move was mostly political with some economical interests
well Isolating the USA and reducing their influence is a long term goal in the region, most of the big players like Brazil, Argentina and Cuba have sought to reduce, confront and isolate the USA in some way or another, Mexico and Colombia have sought of policy of uneasy cooperation. It shouldn't shock anyone if Paraguay switches to formalizing ties with China even with conservative politicians in power. What also shouldn't be shocking should be Canada's isolation in the region, if Canada can't manage to convince us that it is independent from US, Canada might find itself isolated diplomatically.
In Lithuania opening a representative office under the name of Taiwan wasn't a mistake it was quite intentional. We haven't changed your mind about it and pursuing a relationship with Taiwan instead of China. I think because of obvious reasons China can't be a reliable partner and have committed countless crimes. Not to mention that we Lithuanians support Taiwan against authoritarian regime with imperialistic ideas.
Then possibly you should answer why then Lithuania economy in deep troubles and couldn't raise any funds from EU and US, why don't Lithuania proceed to Taiwan and turn their hand on China instead? Isn't that paradox on what you have mentioned? China isn't a reliable partner according to your statement, but it's OK to ask for money from them. Funny right? It's seems to me the Lithuanian Government learnt pretty much from US behavior. In 2008 when financial crisis, US needs China to buy their Government Bond to drag them out of the hole. Again in 2023 today, US always alleged China as a "Threat" and China offloading their bond to historically low. And again, we see circulating news everyday Janet Yellen hope to visit China and I assume the intention was pretty clear already. Can I describe that as "Hypocrisy"? It's OK to insult them when you don't need their help but whenever you in deep shxt, you will think of them at first. What in the world we live in today and I don't know what sort of human being logic is this.
China doesn't have any history grudge with Lithuania, it was Russia or URSS which have problem with Lithuania, not China, Chins itself have been victim in 19th century of Russian invasion and almost get nuked by USSR in 70s, most Chineses don't mine, if Lithuania prefer ls Taiwan, Lithuania can cut diplomatic relationship and then recognize Taiwan, that is all, China is one of the five major winner of WWII, giving back Taiwan to China, is a decision made by the allied nations,
Why does Lithuania not just sever the diplomatic relationship with China to truly support Taiwan (by the way, its official name is the Republic of China)?
@@darylchan694 it's the American to be more precise. Like in Ukraine the Taiwan regime lacks the capability to operate independently without US support.
@@darylchan694 What do you mean by some bullsh*t status quo? Taiwan belongs to people who live there and they are the only ones who decide what to do with their country. PERIOD. If Taiwanese wanted to join China they would have done so long time ago.
@@ibingobingo What are on you about? Taiwan has been it's own country since the 50's. It's not a regime either, it's a democratically elected government. Unlike the Chinese Communist Party.
BS. And Tibet wasn't willing surrender either. In fact, the Dutch didn't willing surrender to the Qing either so the island is Dutch then. Lol The fact is your argument is BS. The fact is there are no recognized treaties, policies or UN resolutions that state that Taiwan is part of China. Therefore the CCP have no sovereignty.
There is one very important issue you forgot to cover: TSMC Chip manufacturing is extremely important, so much so, that it's bound to become more important than oil. Taiwan having the most advanced chip manufacturer in the world, means it has a very important leverage over every country. This is the main reason why the West, especially the USA is so keen on having closer ties with Taiwan. This is also a very important reason on why China is so keen on absorbing Taiwan, as this would be a major boon for it's tech sector.
china dreams if it thinks it can invade Taiwan and replace it in the production of chips. The invasion would go horribly and end up, immediately, with 600 million chinese underwater after a missile hits the 3 Gorgzs Dam and then there's the fact that all the installations of value would be destroyed and the workforce would continuously be trying to leave the place.
There is also support from unrecognised de-facto countries like Somaliland. They established formal ties in 2021 but there cooperation has increased over the last year. It's an interesting topic to discuss as they both faced diplomatic pressure from China (who regards Taiwan as part of the PRC) and Somalia (who regards Somaliland as a region of Somalia). But as a native, I know there's a lot of support for Taiwan from Somaliland and they both have representative offices in each other's states
As someone living in Japan while we don't/can't officially recognize Taiwan as a country officially every media outlet or view of citizen see nothing less of Taiwan then as a country.
That shows exactly how despicable you are. You should either protect Taiwan to the full extent or forget about it. I bet when a real war breaks out no one will help Taiwan with his own military.
@@deaddoll1361 Sorry, FAIL... no 50 cents for you. Formosa was already a Japanese colony by the turn of the 20th century. Most Taiwanese don't have any lingering dislike for Japan as the Japanese were more hands-off in their approach and were designed as a model colony for future incorporation with the rest of the Japanese islands. There's a huge reason why many older folks and younger folks do speak fondly of the Japanese and love all things Japan.
I don't know how much longer that will last, considering the exodus of businesses from the PRC, the results of "Wolf Warrior" diplomacy creating resentment towards the PRC, and of course, the resentment thanks to the BRI. Furthermore, Taiwan is home to some crucial businesses like TSMC and Foxconn, which can't be outdone by any of their competitors. Something tells me that strategic ambiguity, like that of the US, will rise. So I agree with the assessment that this lack of recognition is more or less just symbolic.
i think that the West and Japan will prefer ROC in Taiwan, which is a weaker and more submissive version of China, if PRC is a wolf, the ROC is like a pet dog, my grandfather was a soldier of RCO during WWII, he is not proud of this regime which has lost twice its capital, if you say TSMC is best manufacturer in the World, there is right, but Foxconn? this kind of slave factory is replaceable, Taiwan independentist regime like to describes itself as a courageous victim, but they don't tell the West that how many special trade privilege Taiwan benefits from Mainland China every year,
@@EmilechenShut, bot. The reason why the West prefers Taiwan is because it is a pretty reliable partner compared to West Taiwan which has destroyed much of its credibility with the Wolfwarrior mentality
Something important to call out, since I see this viewpoint often online: Taiwan doesn't 'insist" on being the one legitimate government of China. The reason why Taiwan still 'claims' the mainland is because the PRC has explicitly stated that Taiwan redefining its boundaries to exclude China would be tantamount to a formal declaration of independence and will be met with a military response. Those in Taiwan who oppose moving away from The Republic of China anachronism or redefining the borders hold this belief because they're afraid of provoking an attack from China. That's it.
The only way for PRC to be recognized as "Legitimate China" is its seat in UN, because it doesn't have the official handover declaration by the Qing Dynasty which was handed to ROC. (Now Taiwan's government) So you'll see PRC kept claiming they're the legitimate China with the seat in the UN security council. The major f-up was made by Mao himself, because back in 1949 CCP established PRC without defeating ROC which still remains on Taiwan, and this means PRC independent out of ROC, and it doesn't have the official handover declaration, this turns the civil war into two countries. If then Mao didn't established PRC, they could still have the legitimate claim that CCP is the legitimate ruler, as we can clearly see this didn't happen. The reality is: PRC established itself out of ROC, and now it's literally just two different countries with similar names. The current PRC claiming Taiwan as its territory + "reunification" is just blatantly lying to those who have no idea about the situation, they never conquered nor ruled the island before. Taiwan weren't previously part of PRC, so the word "Reunification" only means invading here. It's like walking to a stranger's house and said that's yours or they'll burn the house down.
"recognise Taiwan ". No, countries recognise the ROC. Big difference. To recognise Taiwan as an independent country would be to recognise something like a Republic of Taiwan, which doesn't exist.
If Taiwan can thrive without official diplomatic ties through other means, then what does the One-China Policy even play in today's age? Geopolitics ain't got sh*t when ppl & businesses doesn't have that kind of barrier to connect with Taiwan out in the open.
The one china policy is a hold-over from the days when the ROC was on par with the mainland and had some hope of reconquering it. Both sides agreed to it because they wanted to take a gamble at conquering the other. In the modern era, for the PRC it’s about maintaining a legitimate claim over Taiwan. Since the vast majority of the world doesn’t recognise the ROC government as a legitimate country, they are technically claiming Taiwan as a part of the same country as the mainland. For the ROC, or rather the DPP specifically, it’s about not formally declaring secession, which kind of automatically triggers war and makes it much harder to justify coming to their defence.
It was not returned in 1945 to China but occupied by the Republic of China. In 1952 Japan was giving up it claims to Taiwan but not saying to whom. It is even more complicated because there was a shortlived Taiwan Republic in 1895. So it is not so clear like the PRC likes to tell.
Excuse me?!?! But what are you talking about? When surrendered, Japanese military officials and officials of Chiang Kai shek they came together and the Japanese showed the surrender papers to them and returned it to them
I don’t think losing countries that recognize them as a legitimate government really matters… What matters is that military support for Taiwan continues to rise, with US support rock solid and Japanese military support for Taiwan seemingly growing.
I have faith Taiwan can hold out. It's one of the best Asian countries to live in even with no powerful partners, and countries like the USA should be able to protect it. Not to mention that Taiwan is tough on its own. I do hope more countries start recognising it though
USA protects USA, and no one else. Just Look at sth America, West Indies, Cuba, Africa, ME, Asia, Pacific. USA has no friends. Just servants and bumboys.
@awesome guy Ah, but I was referring to the United Nations, which fails miserably at upkeeping with international law. For example, by international law, Tibet is a sovereign state under illegal occupation, and the People's Republic of China was illegitimately formed by the CCP. On the other hand, Scotland willingly and legally joined the United Kingdom. Legally speaking Tibet and Taiwans statehood is more legitimate than Scotlands. As for Native American groups, I fully support their right to self-determination.
@awesome guy don’t bring in examples that don’t work just to fit your narrative. Scotland is a democratic constituent country of the United Kingdom, if we were to succeed it would be via a democratic process through the people of Scotland, not violent break away puppets
Bullshit. It’s the refuge of the losing army against the winners of Mao ze dong. It is one country . You know that. We all do. USA makes trouble to sell arms to make money. Round and round. But we have a REAL world leader now, NOT a bully. China builds. USA only bombs.
@@axtept66666 Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transnistria and Donbas were all orchestrated by russia to keep post soviet countries from moving west. "Local russian minorities" are just an excuse to do so. And as of now they are all brainwashed by russian state media.
The impact of the semiconductor manufacturers which are essential to modern technologies (especially for the military!) should also not be underestimated. Taiwan holds a very important spot in the supply chain.
Spot on! Most people thought any countries can manufacture these high-end chips with right equipments and materials, but it actually involves high level technology skill to make them, and only Taiwanese seem to be able to do it, given 90% of these high-end chip are made in Taiwan, and Samsung, Intel couldn't catch us for years. You are very smart knowing this, probably smarter than 80% of other people. I'd suggest you digging into companies like TSMC, Nvidia, AMD, Apple, they're all related to semiconductor industry, and now Nvidia is into AI industry. If I were you, I'd do some researches then invest into some of these companies, since AI seems to be our next big human invention. Imagine invest early on internet company back in 1990s and 2000s and you happen to invested in Google, it surely will make your life easier now, for me I think it's time to look for the next Google in AI
But they are extremely connected. They are the same people, with the same culture and ancient history. They just have different political opinions. Just imagine if in a country, an opposition party decides to declare the small region they govern independent, how many countries would we have today?
@@GrosPointRougethat is probably the worst take I’ve read on the Taiwan issue, literally as bad as the official CCP take lol, Modern Taiwanese have never known CCP rule, we’re born as raised in Taiwan under a democracy and all their friends and family have never seen mainland rule they have as little connection to the imperial past as the CCP does lol the only thing they share is language, your argument is like saying Canada and Australia are the same county because they speak English and descend from the UK
@@nathanspreitzer6738 The fact is the people living in Taiwan are Chinese. Democracy, or any other political regime, does not change the people’s heritage and history. Your analogy of Canada and Australia is so far off. A better example would be America, which had a civil war of the scale of China’s but remained unified at the end. In this context, Taiwan would be one of the confederate states seceding from the rest of America, after its defeat.
@@GrosPointRouge Only about 600000 Han Mandarin speaking ROC escapees escaped to Taiwan out of a population of about 5 million people. Mandarin was not the spoken language prior to 1949. Taiwanese aboriginal have no DNA link to China. There are no internationally recognized treaties, policies. agreements or even UN resolutions that state that Taiwan is part of China. fact
@@GrosPointRouge the main problem with your analogy being the south wasn’t independent for 80+ years, and had a parallel governmental system to the US, Taiwanese are not Chinese and haven’t been for 80 years the cultures have diverged by ALOT even polling of the Taiwanese population shows this
In practice and in every day life for the average Taiwanese, whether or not their country is recognised doesn't make much difference. Even though most countries don't officially recognise, business economic and financial ties still happen. That is what ultimately matters. Taiwan is too important as the top high tech microchip manufacturer in the world to not do business with.
Exactly. Most outsiders can't recognize this. Both Taiwan and Mainland China actually prefer the status quo. It's the American who's trying to change it.
@@ibingobingo Not true, Taiwanese here. Most folks here already know we are an independent country and most people despise China and the CCP. Maintaining peace =\= US wants to change the status quo. I can see you only commented loads on this video, okay CCP troll.
@@ibingobingo Nope. The Americans protect the status quo. Read the defense treaty Taiwan Relation Act. Status quo can be altered only by peaceful means accordingly. US military moves are obligations following the treaty in order to protect the interest of Taiwan and Taiwanese people from external threats obviously by non-stop aggressive moves by China's military over Taiwan territorial zones.
@@thornados4969 The US is indeed breaking the status quo. They have been doing that for a few years now. Multiple public statements about Taiwan's independence and sovereinity when not even the taiwanese themselves say such things or sudden visits from top US officials are doing exactly that. They are undermining the status quo and forcing both sides to make strong stands so as to not look weak.
Two of four parties in the Swedish government have expressed interest in exporting the JAS Gripen fighter jets to Taiwan. Some even comparing the China vs Taiwan situation to Russia vs Ukraine. So that’s something…
Hell no, we should be supporting europe and europeans before we give a cent to any asians, those jets are better given to ukraine than given to taiwan and break down in 10 weeks because of corruption and incompetentence
That's an interesting story. As UN recognition declines, support in their defense has increased! Ultimately the support in defense is more important so they are better off now than 20 years ago. Those that don't recognize Taiwan aren't necessarily saying they support China attacking Taiwan.
You have forgotten the Czech republic (Czechia) - an EU and NATO country as well. We are disconnecting ourselves and our businesses from China and becoming the only EU country, who is even thinking about recognizing Taiwan as a sovereign country... We have a pro-Taiwan government and a pro-Taiwanese president, who has even hold a phone call with Tsai Ing-Wen in January this year, as a first EU head of state.. There is even a flight connection Prague-Taipei-Prague starting from July this year ... Taiwanese investment in CZ is 16times higher than of China and we are expecting to multiply it over the coming years......
Ukraine has official recognition by everyone including China as a sovereign nation too. Official recognition does not seem to be worth that much to China.
Even Russia recognizes Ukraine. It's not a problem of recognizing other countries, but a problem of respecting the prohibition of war and other countries' territorial integrity.
@Zaydan Alfariz Legally and illegally don't really mean much when you're talking about international relationships. It's all essentially "might makes right". Most of human history has had countries invading each other left & right, sometimes following the "rules of engagement", and sometimes just straight up butchering each other in the night.
Being recognized by a few central American countries is far less valuable than the relationship Taiwan has with the United States, which is as strong as ever.
The reality is Taiwan partly have themselves to blame for continuing to claim the mainland and exist as the ROC rather than just post civil war declare independence and take on new diplomatic recognition in the world.
Taiwan's claim is more of a formality, it's not something they actively claim. Declaring otherwise would upset China as it could be seen as upsetting the status about as bad as declaring their independence.
That’s because China won’t let them drop it lol, when they say they want to drop the claims and be seen as independent they are met with threats of invasion and blockade by the CCP, it’s in the CCP’s best interest that Taiwan has the claims as it legitimizes the view they are a rebel province that CCP has a right to invade and reabsorb
Brit living in Taiwan here. The topic concerns me of course, so I've read up on all sorts of analyses, military, economic, historic, social-cultural etc. I don't know if China will be stupid enough to invade Taiwan, but I know the CCP leadership is mentally ill and very much capable of making very stupid decisions that would make Putin look careful by comparison. But they can't occupy Taiwan, and Taiwan has a high class military focused on only this threat, while Chinese military is even more corrupt and inept than Russia's. As for losing formal ties and recognition, it's par for the course really. The strength of the semiconductor industry is more important, and America knows Taiwan is the frontline against CCP expansion, just like Ukraine is the frontline vs Russia. Let's hope diplomats can cool things down, but don't count on anything. China is unstable in many ways, and the CCP might just use a disastrous failed war with Taiwan to distract from economic decline, demographic implosion, massive social unrest and mismanagement at home.
If the CPC leadership was able to turn China into the 2nd largest economy in the world and lift 800 million people out of poverty, I don’t think they’re mentally ill
Taiwan is losing allies but enhancing more important, powerful friendships with the US, Japan, and EU member states. Frankly, since many here in Taiwan would have written a new constitution already were it not for China's threats, I think continued decline in diplomatic allies will only speed up public determination to throw off the "Republic of China" framework. Surprisingly, China's bullying and cajoling a democracy into submission has the opposite effect in terms of sentiment.
The world needs to adopt "both or neither" policy with regards to China instead of the current "one China" approach. To end the stalemate while also avoiding a bloody, drawn out conflict, we should force the PRC and RoC to recognise each other and give up claims on each other's territory. We can easily do so, because both Chinas rely heavily on exporting goods to the rest of the world.
Won't work. North and south korea are both in the UN and can be both recognised by another country yet they still don't recognise each other and claim each other's territory.
Wish the international community would just changed international law under the UN Charter. We should move away from "Territorial Integrity" and adopt Absolute Self Determination or Egalitarian Self Determination. Which is basically the standard of "Locals get to choose" The problem with it is that Great Powers dont actually care about right vs wrong. They only care about their individual interests. Which ends ups being "Might Makes Right" Taiwan, Novorossiya, Chechenya, Palestine, Kurdistan, Kashmir, Transnistria, Biafra, Catalonia, Scotland all have independence movements. The locals in these areas should have the right to choose between maintaining current status quo or independence. Since the before the unjust 2014 Russian invasion I have yet to hear a credible arguement to why ethnic Russians living inside Ukraine (Novorossiya particular) why the locals shouldnt be allowed to vote in the credible UN backed referendum. We Westerns (I'm American) flat out refuse to have this conversation. Our media picks certain people to come on the shows and parrot the narrative. Russias media does the same. We get stuck in a world of misinformation, disinformation, and narrative building. We have turned the Russo-Ukranian war into a perceived battle between good and evil without understanding the nuances of why. When a war becomes "Good vs Evil" we immune ourselves into to our sides own faults or justify our immoral actions.
l do think Taiwan needs to completely break out of this "who's the real china" debacle and just become its own full-fledged taiwanese country. Sure, it won't prevent China from wanting to invade it like it did with Tibet, but officially separating itself from China fully could at least give it a better chance of regaining the support it lost.
The Taiwanese have learned the hard way first hand that international diplomatic recognition does not equal truth. Just because the majority of a people may have believed the world was flat, does not make it true. 0:11 Not true. The OVERWHELMING majority of the Taiwanese don't care to and don't want to claim mainland China anymore. In fact, even decades ago it's uncertain what percentage of people even wanted when Taiwan was ruled by a single party dictatorship, because this was the goal/dream of that single party dictatorship. And for you guys to use Tsai's picture saying "We rule all of China" when she is from the DPP whose one of their main foundation is to separate Taiwan and its territories from the idea of ANY China is INCREDIBLY misleading. We can end this conflict TODAY before it turns into World War 3 in two ways. A two China policy, where you just formalize the reality that the PRC controls mainland China, and the ROC controls Taiwan and its little islands. We can end this conflict with a flick of a pen without launching a single missile. Or a one China one Taiwan policy, where again the PRC controls mainland China, and Taiwan changes its name and constitution and continues its sovereign independence, governing the territories it already controls. 1:39 important to note that the Qing had only effective control of a fraction of Taiwan when the Japanese "took it from them". I use quotations because the aboriginal tribes have been there for thousands of years, so it's like one colonizer giving your land to another colonizer without asking you. 6:34 the US is not a supporter of Taiwan Independence if defined as how most people define it as, secession from their own government, the ROC. The US supports the status quo, with the ROC controlling Taiwan and its islands, and the PRC controlling mainland China.
Excellent points. The truth is there are no internationally recognized treaties, policies. agreements or even UN resolutions that state that Taiwan is part of China. I have studied this topic extensively. If Taiwan was to become an independent nation, then there would no longer be any international free navigation through the East China Sea. If you have an Exclusive Economic Zone for Taiwan of 200 nautical miles and the PRC also have an EEZ of 200 nautical miles, then there would be no international waters. As a result, it is in the interest of Japan and US if Taiwan do not declare independence. I am pro Taiwan, but this seems to make sense. In terms of the Qing, like the Mongols they were the only non-Han to conquer China. Historically the Qing were considered barbarians by the Han yet now wish to inherit their achievements. Another point is that the CCP historically supported Taiwan independence until they got greedy. In 1936, when the Republic of China (ROC) was China’s government and Taiwan (Formosa) was a Japanese colony, Chairman Mao Zedong offered support to Korea and Formosa if their peoples wished to gain independence from Japan. Mao’s internationalist position suggested that 1) both Korea and Formosa have a right to independence, and 2) this is based on the right to self-determination. Mao did not claim that Taiwan has been an integral part of China for centuries, as insisted by the Chinese government today. Interview with Mao in 1936
EDGAR SNOW: Is it the immediate task of the Chinese people to regain all the territories lost to Japan, or only to drive Japan from North China, and all Chinese territory above the Great Wall?
MAO: It is the immediate task of China to regain all our lost territories, not merely to defend our sovereignty below the Great Wall. This means that Manchuria must be regained. We do not, however, include Korea, formerly a Chinese colony, but when we have re-established the independence of the lost territories of China, and if the Koreans wish to break away from the chains of Japanese imperialism, we will extend them our enthusiastic help in their struggle for independence. The same thing applies to Formosa.
Source: Marxists Internet Archive Excellent work my friend. 😀
That's a good point actually, what was the legal reasoning behind transferring Taiwan's UN seat to the PRC? They're attached to governments, not territory, otherwise all the French and British territories that are now independent would need to be given veto seats as well.
Imagine losing a race and then the referee declares you the winner. That's how Taiwan got their UN seat. Read your history. The KMT were a bunch of a-holes
Just because they are losing official diplomacy, doesn't mean they are losing unofficially. They have a bunch of diplomatic missions and unofficial ties with countries without any interference with the PRC.
1945 to 1949 The ROC was Both the Island and the Mainland meaning that the Island has NEVER Been Rulled by the CCP, who only settled in the Mainland. Taiwan has been since 1945 Ruled by the ROC
Yes unfortunately. But hey, at least Taiwan can still serve as a good model for countries to see that you don't really need any recognitions to become a successful thriving country. Mainland China on the other hand would literally become North Korea 2.0 if suddenly only few countries recognizes China.
I think that Taiwan's insistence on being the one legitimate China doesn't help it. It would be a lot easier for countries to recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation distinct of China, rather than having to decide between the two. "We are a distinct nation from China and don't want to be annexed." is something most people would support. "We are the real China, even though we are relatively insignificant and they are a world power." sounds delusional.
Taiwan's "claim" is more of a formality because any deviation from it might be seen as upsetting the status quo, they might as well formally declare their independence.
Incorrect, as Taiwan is threatened when they state they would like to be independent, it is in the CCPs best interest that Taiwan keeps their mainland claims as it legitimizes the view that they are simply a rebel province that needs to be conquered and reabsorbed not an independent country
@@nathanspreitzer6738 That's the point, if they ever declared independence, they would provoke China into forcefully annexing them. It's in China's constitution to attack them when all options have been exhausted. I don't even see the point you're trying to make here.
Taiwan doesn't 'insist" on being the one legitimate government of China. The reason why Taiwan still 'claims' the mainland is because the PRC has explicitly stated that Taiwan redefining its boundaries to exclude China would be tantamount to a formal declaration of independence and will be met with a military response. Those in Taiwan who oppose moving away from The Republic of China anachronism or redefining the borders hold this belief because they're afraid of provoking an attack from China. That's it.
As he mentioned, the recognition of the CCP China over Taiwan is mostly economic and symbolic, I do believe that if China forcibly takeover Taiwan, most likeminded countries in the world will stand against the authoritarian CCP government. It's literally a geopolitical suicide for the CCP to take such action. Anyhow, Taiwan is more thriving and free than mainland citizens (A stark contrast). Taiwanese has better quality of life and democratic freedom over the people in the mainland.
Correction: Lithuania did not make a mistake in naming. It was intentional. We, lithuanians, know the horrors of larger imperialist neighbour and always extend our solidarity. @TLDR News, you say you always strive for neutrality and equal representation, but whenever you mention Eastern Europe it's always propaganda. Shame on you.
The practical outlook of this is... Pretty much minimal, really. Taiwan may not be _officially_ recognized by various states, but in practical terms quite a few countries just maintain under the table diplomatic relations with Taiwan, and the US has been increasingly less subtle about it. The status quo is also not likely to last for too long, either, China has been increasingly hawkish and belligerent over the last few years as Xi solidifies his power, and with businesses looking to move out of China to other south-east-Asian countries like Vietnam and India, the economic advantage China has may not last for too long, especially if there's an economic collapse, which could happen, it's just that the CCP has been pretty good at keeping its house of cards stable, because by all rights the Chinese economy has a ton of cracks just waiting to potentially bring down the whole thing.
I see a few people in the comments asking why doesn't Taiwan relinquish it's claim as the one and only China? As a Taiwanese, as much as I would like that to happen and just be The Republic of Taiwan, things are quite complicated. The CCP passed a law in 2005 stating that "any attempt at Taiwan independence would be met with PLA military intervention. If the Taiwanese declared independence, or if all hope of peaceful unification is lost, then PLA military intervention is warranted." So if we Taiwanese wanted to relinquish our claims as the Republic of China, and instead be the Republic of Taiwan , we would have to change our constitution, and doing so would undoubtedly give the CCP their reason to invade. Not to mention the fact that changing a constitution in a democratic country is extremely difficult, a lot of people would have to agree, which is not easy considering there're still Taiwanese who are pro -China. Anyway, the matter of the fact is that our constitution says we are China on paper, but in reality, most of us know that our current territory consists of only the islands of Taiwan, Penghu , Kinmen and Matzuu. And we wouldn't go around claiming that mainland China is ours.
Dear TLDR News Global: Careful with those interpretations you bring to this video, because: 1)After the Second World War, Taiwan should have been returned to the ROC as well. Practically speaking, the ROC has indeed reclaimed Taiwan. But in terms of international law, whether Taiwan has been returned remains in an “incomplete” status. 2)Three documents - the Cairo Declaration, the Potsdam Declaration, and the Japanese Instrument of Surrender - have determined that Taiwan must be returned to China after WWII. However, each of these documents standing alone is insufficient to prove that Taiwan must be returned. We have to examine all three together to clarify the logic. 3)The Cairo Declaration was the only document that mentioned: “all the territories Japan has stolen from the Chinese, such as Manchuria, Formosa, and The Pescadores, shall be restored to the Republic of China.” But it was not signed by Japan - it was more like a statement of political will. The 1945 Potsdam Declaration was signed between the Allies, and it stated that Japan must accept the Cairo Declaration, but again it was not a treaty signed off by Japan. 4)The 1945 Japanese Instrument of Surrender was signed between Japan’s representatives and the Allies, officially the end of the war. Ironically, this treaty did not mention the Cairo Declaration or Taiwan. It had only stated Japan’s acceptance of the conditions outlined in the Potsdam Declaration, indirectly linking it to the initial Cairo Declaration. 5)Despite all the twists and turns, Taiwan was “supposed” to be returned to the ROC. Legally speaking, however, the above-mentioned documents were simply “letters of intent.” Although they have a certain extent of legal authority, only an official peace treaty signed by Japan can resolve Taiwan’s status legally.
Japan does recognize all residents on the island of Formosa and Pescadores becoming the subject of the ROC in the 1951 Treaty of Taipei. Formally speaking ROC on Taiwan is like US occupied Okinawa before it was returned to Japan. Imagine the US lost all its territories to Canada after the WWII and its government moved to Okinawa or West Berlin. This is the F up the ROC experienced.
China's economy is huge, but Chinese microchips are 20 years behind Taiwan. Yes the phone and PC you're watching this video on likely has its chip made in Taiwan
It's not so important. The great majority in Catalonia supports independence in referendums, although no one will make the effort to recognized. Isn't the EU a democratic entity?
I dont understand why Novorossiya cant be an independent country partitioned from modern day Ukraine. If Taiwan gets independence I see no justified reason not to allow Novorossiya to be independent as well. You either believe locals choose their government or not. The reality is Ukraine will continue to claim all of its past controlled territory pre 2014 under the UN Charter of Territorial Integrity and China will argue the same position in regards to Taiwan.
@@LeftWingNationalist China is not claiming Taiwan because of territorial disputes. This is a on going civil war between two warring parties. Honestly there is only one China. And both parties want to rule over it as a whole. Not just one small island.
@@Doochos Also, passing a constitutional admendment is way too hard inour country. It requires : 1. being proposed by atleast 29(1/4 of the legislature)MPs. 2. needs atleast 85(3/4 of the legislature) MPs vote in favor of the admendment. 3. more than 1/2 of all qualified voters vote in favor of the admendment(~9.5M votes). i.e., it's impossible to pass an admendment. It's too hard to get people out to vote these days.
taiwan should just take the risk and go declare independence… everybody would be happy to make relations with an independent country right? how can anybody ever recognize taiwan if they themselves pretend they don’t exist?
3:35 Clearly speaking, United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758 just mentioned that China seat is belongs to PROC not ROC, it doesn't mentioned about which government truly reigned Taiwan. But the PROC enlarge this resolution and claimed that Taiwan belongs to China 6:59 yes, for example, Taiwanese passport can travel to most of the countries without visa, even we the Taiwanese people can use Automatic customs clearance in EU like EU citizens. And next week, Taiwan will sign U.S.-Taiwan Initiative on 21st-Century Trade, which will become FTA IN future.
The US forced Japan to relinquish Taiwan, that much is true, but they forced Japan to relinquish it to the Allies for administration, with final status to determined later. (Similar to how Germany was carved up into administration zones). The ROC under CKS was the steward that stepped in, as the US took over administration of Japan, but no country formally recognized this transfer of a Taiwan(Formosa back then) as an official handover, just that the island was no longer Japan’s. Just like how Berline was never recognized as part of the US or UK. These things were supposed to be settled a few years later, but was never officially tackled as things got messy in ‘49. At the time it was considered it would be easier to “wait and see.” It seems trivial, but it’s a fairly significant distinction
Well originally dating back in the 9th century- 15th century the Philippines had ruled Taiwan by 1571 the last king of the Tagalog died in battle to Spain. As time past by the Philippines Empire lost many of it’s territories. After losing to Spain, Spain controlled Taiwan until they challenged by the Dutch then the Ming Dynasty had successfully took it away from the Dutch.
Tsai Ing Wen will never call ourselves 'China'... I have to clarify nobody is actually sticking to 'one China' in Taiwan, we've got no interest on this issue, and what we care is that we want to maintain to be a independent country
Yesterday the BBC reported that the last known Taiwanese "comfort woman" had died at 92. She was one of over 200,000 women forced into sexual slavery by Japan leading up to and during WW2. That world war was fought against Japan with many casualties and atrocities a little over 80 years ago, yet now they're treated as friends and allies while sights are turned on a China, cast as the evil villain.
The Chinese civil war hasn't officially ended, a cold conflict doesn't mean there is no war going on... There is a reason people can argue the Russian-Ukraine war started in 2014.
It's all on paper. In real life, pretty much everyone in the western world treats Taiwan and China as two separate countries and at least the Americans are itching for a fight.
I wouldn’t personally say recognition is that important in this case honestly. Taiwan’s most powerful ally, the United States, recognizes the People’s Republic of China as the legitimate government of China, but obviously the United States would defend Taiwan against invasion from PRC.
Britain really should recognise Taiwan. Instead of doing that, Britain is one of the first country recognise PRC and delegitimise Taiwan. Why do British hate Taiwanese so much?
It only makes sense that China should do business with who it wants. If Palau wants to deny Mainland China's legal recognition of One China Policy, then China would not want it's citizens and it's business to continue there.
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Really strange and optimistic at the same time that despite Taiwan having almost non-existent relations, it is still a thriving 1st World Country unlike most unrecognized countries such as Kosovo, Abkhazia & Ossetia.
'Official' recognition though
Most just go along with CCP so they wouldn't have to deal with all those CCP non-sense. while still talk and trade with Taiwan by other means.
Semi-conductors
kosovo was badly affected by the yugoslav wars; abkhazia and south ossetia are puppet states that are used as military outposts by russia, as well as being ruled by mob bosses and corrupt politicians
Kosovo isn't that bad, but Taiwan is definitely doing really well.
It really is ironic considering the fact that Taiwan has a competent government.
Taiwanese 🇹🇼 viewer here, and I would like to say hello to everyone down in the comment section. About our country losing diplomatic ties, most people are becoming apathetic because through our lifetime we’ve seen too many countries that first claim to maintain relationships with us, then turn their backs on us for some tasty Chinese RMB. I’m not sure how to feel about this, and I wish there could be a solution for countries to recognize both Taiwan and China, but currently there’s no viable solution, because it requires us to amend our constitution and officially change the title of our country from “Republic of China” to “Republic of Taiwan”, while a lot of Taiwanese are not supportive enough to make those changes, for fear that this act might “enrage China”.
The events that happened in Hong Kong when China got the control back, were they also a great shock for pro-china Taiwanese? Would Taiwan be more open to China if China didn't act so authoritarian in Hong Kong?
Honestly as a student of history I kind of blame post civil war run Taiwan (under Chiang I think) for this mess. Clearly no invasion of the mainland was ever going to occur once the civil war on the mainland was lost and rather than claiming the mainland and ruling as ROC they should have just declared independence earlier as the Republic of Taiwan. That way diplomatic missions as a new nation that isn't china technically could have been done rather than keeping the obviously unfavorable status quo in place where you're relying on small nations for recognition all of whom will be bribed easily.
Its the United Nations who honored China and ignored Taiwan during the 1970's please make a research on that
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Actually Taiwans govt is the original govt of Chang kai shek which was just overthrown by Ccp therefore Taiwan owns China, makes sense right?
Most countries have figured out you can have official relation with PRC and unofficial relation with ROC which allows them to essentially do business with both.
Even though this is the case for most countries, there are still countries that refuse to have any official relation with the PRC and chose to have an official relationship with the ROC instead. Pretty daring and courageous if you ask me
As a person living in Honduras, I can state that besides the economic matters, the Government decided to switch to mainland China mostly because of political ideologies and China’s strong campaign to make business with the countries in the region in exchange of lands to build military bases, such as in El Salvador, not realising this is also a strategy to isolate the US as well in terms of local allies.
Unfortunately the US and. Europe has such a horrible racist history in the Southern and Central Americas that they are easily being cultivated by China.
This is going to be a regretful decision for Honduras.
China is not an importing nation except for food, they won't help you grow industrially or technologically and they'll look to provide jobs for Chinese first.
The Monroe Doctrine has kept Old World conflicts out of the Americas for almost two centuries. Why would these stupid leftists invite the Chinese military over?
I am not qualified or knowledge in the political climate of Central America, but it seems that China has little to gain through its economic influence there. China can’t control much outside of cutting off funds
@@jacobfield3951 one of the reasons for china’s investment in central america is the idea of the dry canal planned since the 19th century conecting the gulf of Fonseca and Puerto Corres, one of the most important ports in the region, which would make sending goods faster than through the Panama Canal, being ideal for china to influence as also honduras has a n american base on Palmerola. So the move was mostly political with some economical interests
well Isolating the USA and reducing their influence is a long term goal in the region, most of the big players like Brazil, Argentina and Cuba have sought to reduce, confront and isolate the USA in some way or another, Mexico and Colombia have sought of policy of uneasy cooperation. It shouldn't shock anyone if Paraguay switches to formalizing ties with China even with conservative politicians in power. What also shouldn't be shocking should be Canada's isolation in the region, if Canada can't manage to convince us that it is independent from US, Canada might find itself isolated diplomatically.
In Lithuania opening a representative office under the name of Taiwan wasn't a mistake it was quite intentional. We haven't changed your mind about it and pursuing a relationship with Taiwan instead of China. I think because of obvious reasons China can't be a reliable partner and have committed countless crimes. Not to mention that we Lithuanians support Taiwan against authoritarian regime with imperialistic ideas.
Then possibly you should answer why then Lithuania economy in deep troubles and couldn't raise any funds from EU and US, why don't Lithuania proceed to Taiwan and turn their hand on China instead? Isn't that paradox on what you have mentioned? China isn't a reliable partner according to your statement, but it's OK to ask for money from them. Funny right? It's seems to me the Lithuanian Government learnt pretty much from US behavior. In 2008 when financial crisis, US needs China to buy their Government Bond to drag them out of the hole. Again in 2023 today, US always alleged China as a "Threat" and China offloading their bond to historically low. And again, we see circulating news everyday Janet Yellen hope to visit China and I assume the intention was pretty clear already. Can I describe that as "Hypocrisy"? It's OK to insult them when you don't need their help but whenever you in deep shxt, you will think of them at first. What in the world we live in today and I don't know what sort of human being logic is this.
China doesn't have any history grudge with Lithuania, it was Russia or URSS which have problem with Lithuania, not China,
Chins itself have been victim in 19th century of Russian invasion and almost get nuked by USSR in 70s,
most Chineses don't mine, if Lithuania prefer ls Taiwan, Lithuania can cut diplomatic relationship and then recognize Taiwan, that is all,
China is one of the five major winner of WWII, giving back Taiwan to China, is a decision made by the allied nations,
@@KimmyTheDarkTrader Xi can cry about it
Why does Lithuania not just sever the diplomatic relationship with China to truly support Taiwan (by the way, its official name is the Republic of China)?
@awesomeguy2689Others behaving badly yesterday is a terrible excuse for one to behave so today.
Taiwan is doing amazingly as its own entity, let’s hope it stays that way
I think it is the Taiwanese side that's challenging the status quo.
@@darylchan694 it's the American to be more precise. Like in Ukraine the Taiwan regime lacks the capability to operate independently without US support.
@@ibingobingo yeah. The US. Always creating trouble.
@@darylchan694 What do you mean by some bullsh*t status quo? Taiwan belongs to people who live there and they are the only ones who decide what to do with their country. PERIOD. If Taiwanese wanted to join China they would have done so long time ago.
@@ibingobingo What are on you about? Taiwan has been it's own country since the 50's. It's not a regime either, it's a democratically elected government.
Unlike the Chinese Communist Party.
Correction in 1895 it was not willingly given by the qing to japan but after the qing lost a war with japan
BS. And Tibet wasn't willing surrender either. In fact, the Dutch didn't willing surrender to the Qing either so the island is Dutch then. Lol
The fact is your argument is BS.
The fact is there are no recognized treaties, policies or UN resolutions that state that Taiwan is part of China.
Therefore the CCP have no sovereignty.
There is one very important issue you forgot to cover: TSMC
Chip manufacturing is extremely important, so much so, that it's bound to become more important than oil.
Taiwan having the most advanced chip manufacturer in the world, means it has a very important leverage over every country.
This is the main reason why the West, especially the USA is so keen on having closer ties with Taiwan.
This is also a very important reason on why China is so keen on absorbing Taiwan, as this would be a major boon for it's tech sector.
not if all the talent flees, factories are sabotaged, and research disappears.
@@samwayne8961 in America’s case, they’re already accounting for that. TSMC is opening new headquarters and factories in America as we speak.
@@samwayne8961 That kinda screws the whole world.
It's also why the US is trying to revamp its own chip manufacturing.
china dreams if it thinks it can invade Taiwan and replace it in the production of chips. The invasion would go horribly and end up, immediately, with 600 million chinese underwater after a missile hits the 3 Gorgzs Dam and then there's the fact that all the installations of value would be destroyed and the workforce would continuously be trying to leave the place.
There is also support from unrecognised de-facto countries like Somaliland. They established formal ties in 2021 but there cooperation has increased over the last year. It's an interesting topic to discuss as they both faced diplomatic pressure from China (who regards Taiwan as part of the PRC) and Somalia (who regards Somaliland as a region of Somalia). But as a native, I know there's a lot of support for Taiwan from Somaliland and they both have representative offices in each other's states
As someone living in Japan while we don't/can't officially recognize Taiwan as a country officially every media outlet or view of citizen see nothing less of Taiwan then as a country.
Same here in the usa 🇺🇸 I promise you over 70% of the American public sees Taiwan as its own country separate from China entirely.
That shows exactly how despicable you are. You should either protect Taiwan to the full extent or forget about it. I bet when a real war breaks out no one will help Taiwan with his own military.
@@beasley1232 American even don't know taiwan and thailand….😅
The Japan that invaded Taiwan during WW2? Japanese should keep quiet lest they're reminded of all the atrocities they committed in Taiwan then.
@@deaddoll1361 Sorry, FAIL... no 50 cents for you.
Formosa was already a Japanese colony by the turn of the 20th century.
Most Taiwanese don't have any lingering dislike for Japan as the Japanese were more hands-off in their approach and were designed as a model colony for future incorporation with the rest of the Japanese islands.
There's a huge reason why many older folks and younger folks do speak fondly of the Japanese and love all things Japan.
Taiwan 🇹🇼 has functioned independently, and despite
China's claims to the contrary.
Which China?
@@harrytan5579 well from what i know there are two China's. So it's not clear
@@katokibuggaOnly one China can exist that's why they dont recognize Taiwan.
I don't know how much longer that will last, considering the exodus of businesses from the PRC, the results of "Wolf Warrior" diplomacy creating resentment towards the PRC, and of course, the resentment thanks to the BRI. Furthermore, Taiwan is home to some crucial businesses like TSMC and Foxconn, which can't be outdone by any of their competitors. Something tells me that strategic ambiguity, like that of the US, will rise. So I agree with the assessment that this lack of recognition is more or less just symbolic.
i think that the West and Japan will prefer ROC in Taiwan, which is a weaker and more submissive version of China,
if PRC is a wolf, the ROC is like a pet dog,
my grandfather was a soldier of RCO during WWII, he is not proud of this regime which has lost twice its capital,
if you say TSMC is best manufacturer in the World, there is right,
but Foxconn? this kind of slave factory is replaceable,
Taiwan independentist regime like to describes itself as a courageous victim, but they don't tell the West that how many special trade privilege Taiwan benefits from Mainland China every year,
@@EmilechenShut, bot. The reason why the West prefers Taiwan is because it is a pretty reliable partner compared to West Taiwan which has destroyed much of its credibility with the Wolfwarrior mentality
@@Emilechen No, PRC is a pampered poodle that constantly throws temper tantrums.
TSMC is not so important TBH and Foxconn operates primarily on the mainland.
@@ibingobingo TSMC is important and most Foxconn factories are now being built outside of China
Something important to call out, since I see this viewpoint often online: Taiwan doesn't 'insist" on being the one legitimate government of China. The reason why Taiwan still 'claims' the mainland is because the PRC has explicitly stated that Taiwan redefining its boundaries to exclude China would be tantamount to a formal declaration of independence and will be met with a military response. Those in Taiwan who oppose moving away from The Republic of China anachronism or redefining the borders hold this belief because they're afraid of provoking an attack from China. That's it.
The only way for PRC to be recognized as "Legitimate China" is its seat in UN, because it doesn't have the official handover declaration by the Qing Dynasty which was handed to ROC. (Now Taiwan's government)
So you'll see PRC kept claiming they're the legitimate China with the seat in the UN security council.
The major f-up was made by Mao himself, because back in 1949 CCP established PRC without defeating ROC which still remains on Taiwan, and this means PRC independent out of ROC, and it doesn't have the official handover declaration, this turns the civil war into two countries.
If then Mao didn't established PRC, they could still have the legitimate claim that CCP is the legitimate ruler, as we can clearly see this didn't happen.
The reality is: PRC established itself out of ROC, and now it's literally just two different countries with similar names.
The current PRC claiming Taiwan as its territory + "reunification" is just blatantly lying to those who have no idea about the situation, they never conquered nor ruled the island before. Taiwan weren't previously part of PRC, so the word "Reunification" only means invading here.
It's like walking to a stranger's house and said that's yours or they'll burn the house down.
You do know China did try to take back Taiwan but 'Murica decided to step in
"recognise Taiwan ". No, countries recognise the ROC. Big difference. To recognise Taiwan as an independent country would be to recognise something like a Republic of Taiwan, which doesn't exist.
If Taiwan can thrive without official diplomatic ties through other means, then what does the One-China Policy even play in today's age? Geopolitics ain't got sh*t when ppl & businesses doesn't have that kind of barrier to connect with Taiwan out in the open.
The one china policy is a hold-over from the days when the ROC was on par with the mainland and had some hope of reconquering it. Both sides agreed to it because they wanted to take a gamble at conquering the other. In the modern era, for the PRC it’s about maintaining a legitimate claim over Taiwan. Since the vast majority of the world doesn’t recognise the ROC government as a legitimate country, they are technically claiming Taiwan as a part of the same country as the mainland. For the ROC, or rather the DPP specifically, it’s about not formally declaring secession, which kind of automatically triggers war and makes it much harder to justify coming to their defence.
It was not returned in 1945 to China but occupied by the Republic of China. In 1952 Japan was giving up it claims to Taiwan but not saying to whom. It is even more complicated because there was a shortlived Taiwan Republic in 1895. So it is not so clear like the PRC likes to tell.
Excuse me?!?! But what are you talking about? When surrendered, Japanese military officials and officials of Chiang Kai shek they came together and the Japanese showed the surrender papers to them and returned it to them
I don’t think losing countries that recognize them as a legitimate government really matters… What matters is that military support for Taiwan continues to rise, with US support rock solid and Japanese military support for Taiwan seemingly growing.
I have faith Taiwan can hold out. It's one of the best Asian countries to live in even with no powerful partners, and countries like the USA should be able to protect it. Not to mention that Taiwan is tough on its own. I do hope more countries start recognising it though
@awesome guy You don't seem so pressed for the territorial integrity of Tibet, or the sovereignty of Hong Kong
USA protects USA, and no one else. Just Look at sth America, West Indies, Cuba, Africa, ME, Asia, Pacific. USA has no friends. Just servants and bumboys.
@awesome guy The United Nations is the end goal, not the beginning. You don't refuse to start writing a book until your publisher approves it
@awesome guy Ah, but I was referring to the United Nations, which fails miserably at upkeeping with international law. For example, by international law, Tibet is a sovereign state under illegal occupation, and the People's Republic of China was illegitimately formed by the CCP. On the other hand, Scotland willingly and legally joined the United Kingdom. Legally speaking Tibet and Taiwans statehood is more legitimate than Scotlands.
As for Native American groups, I fully support their right to self-determination.
@awesome guy don’t bring in examples that don’t work just to fit your narrative. Scotland is a democratic constituent country of the United Kingdom, if we were to succeed it would be via a democratic process through the people of Scotland, not violent break away puppets
It doesn't matter how many times the Chinese regime repeats the *lies,*
or how *angry* it pretends to be,
- Taiwan 🇹🇼 is still a sovereign country.
Do you then acknowledge that abkhazia and south ossetia are also soverign?
No matter what you say, your government's official statement dare not admit that Taiwan is a sovereign country, and what you say is not important
Bullshit. It’s the refuge of the losing army against the winners of Mao ze dong. It is one country . You know that. We all do. USA makes trouble to sell arms to make money. Round and round. But we have a REAL world leader now, NOT a bully. China builds. USA only bombs.
@@axtept66666 Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transnistria and Donbas were all orchestrated by russia to keep post soviet countries from moving west. "Local russian minorities" are just an excuse to do so. And as of now they are all brainwashed by russian state media.
Rubbish. Even Taiwan does not believe it is separate.
The impact of the semiconductor manufacturers which are essential to modern technologies (especially for the military!) should also not be underestimated. Taiwan holds a very important spot in the supply chain.
Spot on! Most people thought any countries can manufacture these high-end chips with right equipments and materials, but it actually involves high level technology skill to make them, and only Taiwanese seem to be able to do it, given 90% of these high-end chip are made in Taiwan, and Samsung, Intel couldn't catch us for years.
You are very smart knowing this, probably smarter than 80% of other people.
I'd suggest you digging into companies like TSMC, Nvidia, AMD, Apple, they're all related to semiconductor industry, and now Nvidia is into AI industry. If I were you, I'd do some researches then invest into some of these companies, since AI seems to be our next big human invention. Imagine invest early on internet company back in 1990s and 2000s and you happen to invested in Google, it surely will make your life easier now, for me I think it's time to look for the next Google in AI
Pretty sure people of Taiwan now see themselves as an independent state from China rather than feeling connected to the main land anymore
But they are extremely connected. They are the same people, with the same culture and ancient history. They just have different political opinions. Just imagine if in a country, an opposition party decides to declare the small region they govern independent, how many countries would we have today?
@@GrosPointRougethat is probably the worst take I’ve read on the Taiwan issue, literally as bad as the official CCP take lol, Modern Taiwanese have never known CCP rule, we’re born as raised in Taiwan under a democracy and all their friends and family have never seen mainland rule they have as little connection to the imperial past as the CCP does lol the only thing they share is language, your argument is like saying Canada and Australia are the same county because they speak English and descend from the UK
@@nathanspreitzer6738 The fact is the people living in Taiwan are Chinese. Democracy, or any other political regime, does not change the people’s heritage and history. Your analogy of Canada and Australia is so far off. A better example would be America, which had a civil war of the scale of China’s but remained unified at the end. In this context, Taiwan would be one of the confederate states seceding from the rest of America, after its defeat.
@@GrosPointRouge Only about 600000 Han Mandarin speaking ROC escapees escaped to Taiwan out of a population of about 5 million people.
Mandarin was not the spoken language prior to 1949.
Taiwanese aboriginal have no DNA link to China.
There are no internationally recognized treaties, policies. agreements or even UN resolutions that state that Taiwan is part of China. fact
@@GrosPointRouge the main problem with your analogy being the south wasn’t independent for 80+ years, and had a parallel governmental system to the US, Taiwanese are not Chinese and haven’t been for 80 years the cultures have diverged by ALOT even polling of the Taiwanese population shows this
In practice and in every day life for the average Taiwanese, whether or not their country is recognised doesn't make much difference. Even though most countries don't officially recognise, business economic and financial ties still happen. That is what ultimately matters. Taiwan is too important as the top high tech microchip manufacturer in the world to not do business with.
Exactly. Most outsiders can't recognize this. Both Taiwan and Mainland China actually prefer the status quo. It's the American who's trying to change it.
@@ibingobingo Not true, Taiwanese here. Most folks here already know we are an independent country and most people despise China and the CCP. Maintaining peace =\= US wants to change the status quo. I can see you only commented loads on this video, okay CCP troll.
@@ibingobingo Nope. The Americans protect the status quo. Read the defense treaty Taiwan Relation Act. Status quo can be altered only by peaceful means accordingly. US military moves are obligations following the treaty in order to protect the interest of Taiwan and Taiwanese people from external threats obviously by non-stop aggressive moves by China's military over Taiwan territorial zones.
@@thornados4969 The US is indeed breaking the status quo. They have been doing that for a few years now. Multiple public statements about Taiwan's independence and sovereinity when not even the taiwanese themselves say such things or sudden visits from top US officials are doing exactly that. They are undermining the status quo and forcing both sides to make strong stands so as to not look weak.
@@thodoriss3068 The US and international communist supports Taiwan and Taiwanese people on their own decision for their future. .
In the Philippines, there is a growing pro-Taiwan stance & an ANTI-PROC sentiment coz of PROC behavior in the WPS.
Lol, do you even know who invented the 9-dash line? The ROC, aka Taiwan, not the PRC. PRC just inherited these claims
Two of four parties in the Swedish government have expressed interest in exporting the JAS Gripen fighter jets to Taiwan. Some even comparing the China vs Taiwan situation to Russia vs Ukraine.
So that’s something…
Hell no, we should be supporting europe and europeans before we give a cent to any asians, those jets are better given to ukraine than given to taiwan and break down in 10 weeks because of corruption and incompetentence
That's an interesting story. As UN recognition declines, support in their defense has increased! Ultimately the support in defense is more important so they are better off now than 20 years ago. Those that don't recognize Taiwan aren't necessarily saying they support China attacking Taiwan.
You have forgotten the Czech republic (Czechia) - an EU and NATO country as well.
We are disconnecting ourselves and our businesses from China and becoming the only EU country, who is even thinking about recognizing Taiwan as a sovereign country...
We have a pro-Taiwan government and a pro-Taiwanese president, who has even hold a phone call with Tsai Ing-Wen in January this year, as a first EU head of state..
There is even a flight connection Prague-Taipei-Prague starting from July this year ...
Taiwanese investment in CZ is 16times higher than of China and we are expecting to multiply it over the coming years......
Ukraine has official recognition by everyone including China as a sovereign nation too. Official recognition does not seem to be worth that much to China.
Even Russia recognizes Ukraine. It's not a problem of recognizing other countries, but a problem of respecting the prohibition of war and other countries' territorial integrity.
How is any of this China's fault?
@Zaydan Alfariz Legally and illegally don't really mean much when you're talking about international relationships. It's all essentially "might makes right". Most of human history has had countries invading each other left & right, sometimes following the "rules of engagement", and sometimes just straight up butchering each other in the night.
Being recognized by a few central American countries is far less valuable than the relationship Taiwan has with the United States, which is as strong as ever.
People: *x exists*
China: GRRRRRRRR
The reality is Taiwan partly have themselves to blame for continuing to claim the mainland and exist as the ROC rather than just post civil war declare independence and take on new diplomatic recognition in the world.
Taiwan's claim is more of a formality, it's not something they actively claim. Declaring otherwise would upset China as it could be seen as upsetting the status about as bad as declaring their independence.
That’s because China won’t let them drop it lol, when they say they want to drop the claims and be seen as independent they are met with threats of invasion and blockade by the CCP, it’s in the CCP’s best interest that Taiwan has the claims as it legitimizes the view they are a rebel province that CCP has a right to invade and reabsorb
The former president Chiang from KMT did it on purpose. For him independence was not even an option.
it doesn't change the fact that the ROC passports ranks way higher than the PRC's, It's a wise move for Taiwan to get rid of leeches
Brit living in Taiwan here. The topic concerns me of course, so I've read up on all sorts of analyses, military, economic, historic, social-cultural etc. I don't know if China will be stupid enough to invade Taiwan, but I know the CCP leadership is mentally ill and very much capable of making very stupid decisions that would make Putin look careful by comparison. But they can't occupy Taiwan, and Taiwan has a high class military focused on only this threat, while Chinese military is even more corrupt and inept than Russia's. As for losing formal ties and recognition, it's par for the course really. The strength of the semiconductor industry is more important, and America knows Taiwan is the frontline against CCP expansion, just like Ukraine is the frontline vs Russia. Let's hope diplomats can cool things down, but don't count on anything. China is unstable in many ways, and the CCP might just use a disastrous failed war with Taiwan to distract from economic decline, demographic implosion, massive social unrest and mismanagement at home.
If the CPC leadership was able to turn China into the 2nd largest economy in the world and lift 800 million people out of poverty, I don’t think they’re mentally ill
Taiwan is losing allies but enhancing more important, powerful friendships with the US, Japan, and EU member states. Frankly, since many here in Taiwan would have written a new constitution already were it not for China's threats, I think continued decline in diplomatic allies will only speed up public determination to throw off the "Republic of China" framework. Surprisingly, China's bullying and cajoling a democracy into submission has the opposite effect in terms of sentiment.
They lost the war so I’m not sure why Taiwan thinks it owns china 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ look at your army. You lost every battle you’ve fought
The world needs to adopt "both or neither" policy with regards to China instead of the current "one China" approach. To end the stalemate while also avoiding a bloody, drawn out conflict, we should force the PRC and RoC to recognise each other and give up claims on each other's territory. We can easily do so, because both Chinas rely heavily on exporting goods to the rest of the world.
Why? The nationalists don't deserve the island they are hiding on, give it to the real chi a
Taiwan would do that in a heartbeat if it could, but the CCP would never agree to it
Won't work. North and south korea are both in the UN and can be both recognised by another country yet they still don't recognise each other and claim each other's territory.
The PRC will never accept that
Wish the international community would just changed international law under the UN Charter. We should move away from "Territorial Integrity" and adopt Absolute Self Determination or Egalitarian Self Determination. Which is basically the standard of "Locals get to choose"
The problem with it is that Great Powers dont actually care about right vs wrong. They only care about their individual interests. Which ends ups being "Might Makes Right"
Taiwan, Novorossiya, Chechenya, Palestine, Kurdistan, Kashmir, Transnistria, Biafra, Catalonia, Scotland all have independence movements. The locals in these areas should have the right to choose between maintaining current status quo or independence.
Since the before the unjust 2014 Russian invasion I have yet to hear a credible arguement to why ethnic Russians living inside Ukraine (Novorossiya particular) why the locals shouldnt be allowed to vote in the credible UN backed referendum.
We Westerns (I'm American) flat out refuse to have this conversation. Our media picks certain people to come on the shows and parrot the narrative. Russias media does the same. We get stuck in a world of misinformation, disinformation, and narrative building. We have turned the Russo-Ukranian war into a perceived battle between good and evil without understanding the nuances of why. When a war becomes "Good vs Evil" we immune ourselves into to our sides own faults or justify our immoral actions.
it is a fresh of breath air of a geo politic channel addressing the actual status between PRC and ROC
taiwan numba 1
Thanks for saying CPC not CCP
l do think Taiwan needs to completely break out of this "who's the real china" debacle and just become its own full-fledged taiwanese country.
Sure, it won't prevent China from wanting to invade it like it did with Tibet, but officially separating itself from China fully could at least give it a better chance of regaining the support it lost.
Very good news!
Funny thing is
If you compare countries that offer visa free travel to ROC passport and those to PRC passport
It pains.a very curious picture
I had no idea about any of this. I thought the conflict was just about the independence of Taiwan.
It's a very complicated situation. I think independence for Taiwan is the best outcome even if it's not the original goal
It's really complicating
The Taiwanese have learned the hard way first hand that international diplomatic recognition does not equal truth. Just because the majority of a people may have believed the world was flat, does not make it true.
0:11 Not true. The OVERWHELMING majority of the Taiwanese don't care to and don't want to claim mainland China anymore. In fact, even decades ago it's uncertain what percentage of people even wanted when Taiwan was ruled by a single party dictatorship, because this was the goal/dream of that single party dictatorship. And for you guys to use Tsai's picture saying "We rule all of China" when she is from the DPP whose one of their main foundation is to separate Taiwan and its territories from the idea of ANY China is INCREDIBLY misleading.
We can end this conflict TODAY before it turns into World War 3 in two ways. A two China policy, where you just formalize the reality that the PRC controls mainland China, and the ROC controls Taiwan and its little islands. We can end this conflict with a flick of a pen without launching a single missile.
Or a one China one Taiwan policy, where again the PRC controls mainland China, and Taiwan changes its name and constitution and continues its sovereign independence, governing the territories it already controls.
1:39 important to note that the Qing had only effective control of a fraction of Taiwan when the Japanese "took it from them". I use quotations because the aboriginal tribes have been there for thousands of years, so it's like one colonizer giving your land to another colonizer without asking you.
6:34 the US is not a supporter of Taiwan Independence if defined as how most people define it as, secession from their own government, the ROC. The US supports the status quo, with the ROC controlling Taiwan and its islands, and the PRC controlling mainland China.
Excellent points.
The truth is there are no internationally recognized treaties, policies. agreements or even UN resolutions that state that Taiwan is part of China. I have studied this topic extensively.
If Taiwan was to become an independent nation, then there would no longer be any international free navigation through the East China Sea.
If you have an Exclusive Economic Zone for Taiwan of 200 nautical miles and the PRC also have an EEZ of 200 nautical miles, then there would be no international waters.
As a result, it is in the interest of Japan and US if Taiwan do not declare independence.
I am pro Taiwan, but this seems to make sense.
In terms of the Qing, like the Mongols they were the only non-Han to conquer China. Historically the Qing were considered barbarians by the Han yet now wish to inherit their achievements.
Another point is that the CCP historically supported Taiwan independence until they got greedy.
In 1936, when the Republic of China (ROC) was China’s government and Taiwan (Formosa) was a Japanese colony, Chairman Mao Zedong offered support to Korea and Formosa if their peoples wished to gain independence from Japan. Mao’s internationalist position suggested that 1) both Korea and Formosa have a right to independence, and 2) this is based on the right to self-determination. Mao did not claim that Taiwan has been an integral part of China for centuries, as insisted by the Chinese government today.
Interview with Mao in 1936
EDGAR SNOW: Is it the immediate task of the Chinese people to regain all the territories lost to Japan, or only to drive Japan from North China, and all Chinese territory above the Great Wall?
MAO: It is the immediate task of China to regain all our lost territories, not merely to defend our sovereignty below the Great Wall. This means that Manchuria must be regained. We do not, however, include Korea, formerly a Chinese colony, but when we have re-established the independence of the lost territories of China, and if the Koreans wish to break away from the chains of Japanese imperialism, we will extend them our enthusiastic help in their struggle for independence. The same thing applies to Formosa.
Source: Marxists Internet Archive
Excellent work my friend. 😀
That's a good point actually, what was the legal reasoning behind transferring Taiwan's UN seat to the PRC? They're attached to governments, not territory, otherwise all the French and British territories that are now independent would need to be given veto seats as well.
Imagine losing a race and then the referee declares you the winner. That's how Taiwan got their UN seat. Read your history. The KMT were a bunch of a-holes
Raged
Just because they are losing official diplomacy, doesn't mean they are losing unofficially. They have a bunch of diplomatic missions and unofficial ties with countries without any interference with the PRC.
1945 to 1949 The ROC was Both the Island and the Mainland meaning that the Island has NEVER Been Rulled by the CCP, who only settled in the Mainland. Taiwan has been since 1945 Ruled by the ROC
Nice video
I know Taiwanese because we got confused by some people when I say I'm from Thailand they say "Oh you are china" 😮
Damn it!!! This is some of the worst news
Yes unfortunately.
But hey, at least Taiwan can still serve as a good model for countries to see that you don't really need any recognitions to become a successful thriving country.
Mainland China on the other hand would literally become North Korea 2.0 if suddenly only few countries recognizes China.
I think that Taiwan's insistence on being the one legitimate China doesn't help it. It would be a lot easier for countries to recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation distinct of China, rather than having to decide between the two.
"We are a distinct nation from China and don't want to be annexed." is something most people would support.
"We are the real China, even though we are relatively insignificant and they are a world power." sounds delusional.
Taiwan's "claim" is more of a formality because any deviation from it might be seen as upsetting the status quo, they might as well formally declare their independence.
They cannot officially give up claims to China even if the government wanted to. The CCP would see it as a declaration of independence and declare war
Incorrect, as Taiwan is threatened when they state they would like to be independent, it is in the CCPs best interest that Taiwan keeps their mainland claims as it legitimizes the view that they are simply a rebel province that needs to be conquered and reabsorbed not an independent country
@@nathanspreitzer6738 That's the point, if they ever declared independence, they would provoke China into forcefully annexing them. It's in China's constitution to attack them when all options have been exhausted. I don't even see the point you're trying to make here.
Taiwan doesn't 'insist" on being the one legitimate government of China. The reason why Taiwan still 'claims' the mainland is because the PRC has explicitly stated that Taiwan redefining its boundaries to exclude China would be tantamount to a formal declaration of independence and will be met with a military response. Those in Taiwan who oppose moving away from The Republic of China anachronism or redefining the borders hold this belief because they're afraid of provoking an attack from China. That's it.
TLDR don't be a shill for Beijing, it's CCP, not CPC
CPC Liberal.
As he mentioned, the recognition of the CCP China over Taiwan is mostly economic and symbolic, I do believe that if China forcibly takeover Taiwan, most likeminded countries in the world will stand against the authoritarian CCP government. It's literally a geopolitical suicide for the CCP to take such action. Anyhow, Taiwan is more thriving and free than mainland citizens (A stark contrast). Taiwanese has better quality of life and democratic freedom over the people in the mainland.
The USA and its allies will always be there to protect democratic countries like Taiwan 🇺🇸🤝🇹🇼
I like how you cover the whole conflict starting with the chinese civil war. Good job 👍🎉🥇
They were hardly "allies" since their support was entirely based on financial incentives.
Mercenaries are only dependable while the cash is flowing.
Correction: Lithuania did not make a mistake in naming. It was intentional.
We, lithuanians, know the horrors of larger imperialist neighbour and always extend our solidarity.
@TLDR News, you say you always strive for neutrality and equal representation, but whenever you mention Eastern Europe it's always propaganda. Shame on you.
Not a surprise. Taiwan is a independent island nation bullied by a huge rich country.
The practical outlook of this is... Pretty much minimal, really. Taiwan may not be _officially_ recognized by various states, but in practical terms quite a few countries just maintain under the table diplomatic relations with Taiwan, and the US has been increasingly less subtle about it. The status quo is also not likely to last for too long, either, China has been increasingly hawkish and belligerent over the last few years as Xi solidifies his power, and with businesses looking to move out of China to other south-east-Asian countries like Vietnam and India, the economic advantage China has may not last for too long, especially if there's an economic collapse, which could happen, it's just that the CCP has been pretty good at keeping its house of cards stable, because by all rights the Chinese economy has a ton of cracks just waiting to potentially bring down the whole thing.
Interestingly, most nations that recognize RoC are those that sell or sold their citizenship in the past.
I see a few people in the comments asking why doesn't Taiwan relinquish it's claim as the one and only China?
As a Taiwanese, as much as I would like that to happen and just be The Republic of Taiwan, things are quite complicated.
The CCP passed a law in 2005 stating that "any attempt at Taiwan independence would be met with PLA military intervention. If the Taiwanese declared independence, or if all hope of peaceful unification is lost, then PLA military intervention is warranted."
So if we Taiwanese wanted to relinquish our claims as the Republic of China, and instead be the Republic of Taiwan , we would have to change our constitution, and doing so would undoubtedly give the CCP their reason to invade. Not to mention the fact that changing a constitution in a democratic country is extremely difficult, a lot of people would have to agree, which is not easy considering there're still Taiwanese who are pro -China.
Anyway, the matter of the fact is that our constitution says we are China on paper, but in reality, most of us know that our current territory consists of only the islands of Taiwan, Penghu , Kinmen and Matzuu. And we wouldn't go around claiming that mainland China is ours.
Dear TLDR News Global:
Careful with those interpretations you bring to this video, because:
1)After the Second World War, Taiwan should have been returned to the ROC as well. Practically speaking, the ROC has indeed reclaimed Taiwan. But in terms of international law, whether Taiwan has been returned remains in an “incomplete” status.
2)Three documents - the Cairo Declaration, the Potsdam Declaration, and the Japanese Instrument of Surrender - have determined that Taiwan must be returned to China after WWII. However, each of these documents standing alone is insufficient to prove that Taiwan must be returned. We have to examine all three together to clarify the logic.
3)The Cairo Declaration was the only document that mentioned: “all the territories Japan has stolen from the Chinese, such as Manchuria, Formosa, and The Pescadores, shall be restored to the Republic of China.” But it was not signed by Japan - it was more like a statement of political will. The 1945 Potsdam Declaration was signed between the Allies, and it stated that Japan must accept the Cairo Declaration, but again it was not a treaty signed off by Japan.
4)The 1945 Japanese Instrument of Surrender was signed between Japan’s representatives and the Allies, officially the end of the war. Ironically, this treaty did not mention the Cairo Declaration or Taiwan. It had only stated Japan’s acceptance of the conditions outlined in the Potsdam Declaration, indirectly linking it to the initial Cairo Declaration.
5)Despite all the twists and turns, Taiwan was “supposed” to be returned to the ROC.
Legally speaking, however, the above-mentioned documents were simply “letters of intent.” Although they have a certain extent of legal authority, only an official peace treaty signed by Japan can resolve Taiwan’s status legally.
Japan does recognize all residents on the island of Formosa and Pescadores becoming the subject of the ROC in the 1951 Treaty of Taipei. Formally speaking ROC on Taiwan is like US occupied Okinawa before it was returned to Japan. Imagine the US lost all its territories to Canada after the WWII and its government moved to Okinawa or West Berlin. This is the F up the ROC experienced.
Taiwan should seek to be recognised as "Taiwan" as and island nation alone and forget its ridiculous claim. That could however trigger China to attack
China's economy is huge, but Chinese microchips are 20 years behind Taiwan. Yes the phone and PC you're watching this video on likely has its chip made in Taiwan
20 years is an exaggeration. I guess unless you also count reliability.
The US is moving chip production to the US to use Taiwan as a war ground against China.
Taiwan is China.
@@fungo6631 they still can't mass-produce 7nm whilst we are at 3(we can mass-produce) so i think it's not exaggerated
@@林晉銳 20 years ago we had 180 nm IIRC.
It's more important what Taiwan wants than the opinion of a few countries
It's not so important. The great majority in Catalonia supports independence in referendums, although no one will make the effort to recognized. Isn't the EU a democratic entity?
Well they obviously want to be an official country, I mean even hongkong does
Who else checked their screen because of the dirty screen on the stock footage at 8:17?
The New Adventures of Winnie The Pooh!
4:58 special mention to bhutan for not recognizing either
the only one that really matters is the US. the military industrial complex there will keep Taiwan a free nation.
Not sure why you say "PRC" for most of the video but never refer to Taiwan as "RoC"
I dont understand why we cant recognize both countries as independent.
Because their is a one china policy.
CCP no likey
Because they both claim rule over China as a whole.
I dont understand why Novorossiya cant be an independent country partitioned from modern day Ukraine.
If Taiwan gets independence I see no justified reason not to allow Novorossiya to be independent as well. You either believe locals choose their government or not.
The reality is Ukraine will continue to claim all of its past controlled territory pre 2014 under the UN Charter of Territorial Integrity and China will argue the same position in regards to Taiwan.
@@LeftWingNationalist China is not claiming Taiwan because of territorial disputes.
This is a on going civil war between two warring parties. Honestly there is only one China.
And both parties want to rule over it as a whole.
Not just one small island.
Taiwan isn't a nation.
There are no internationally recognized treaties, policies. agreements or even UN resolutions that state that Taiwan is part of China. fact
But it’s recognized as one by some nations
@@Mattattaxk some 😂
The only thing that would truly safeguard Taiwans future as an independent sovereign state would be nukes.
they tried but the US stopped them
It's all fun and games until this nukes allow Taiwan to join on the fun in the South China Sea dispute.
Taiwan needs to change the way that it sees itself. It shouldn't see itself as "China" but rather Taiwan - as the island nation.
It can't without changing the ROC constitution, which would trigger a declaration of war by the CCP as it would be seen as secession.
@@Doochos Also, passing a constitutional admendment is way too hard inour country. It requires : 1. being proposed by atleast 29(1/4 of the legislature)MPs. 2. needs atleast 85(3/4 of the legislature) MPs vote in favor of the admendment. 3. more than 1/2 of all qualified voters vote in favor of the admendment(~9.5M votes).
i.e., it's impossible to pass an admendment. It's too hard to get people out to vote these days.
That would mean war which I'm sure everyone wants to avoid.
@@darylchan694 They should just start the damn war now to release this tension lol
@@Just4Kixs nobody wants a war. tensions are being fanned and stoked by the US.
taiwan should just take the risk and go declare independence…
everybody would be happy to make relations with an independent country right?
how can anybody ever recognize taiwan if they themselves pretend they don’t exist?
Recognized means nothing, because people still deal with Taiwan like a normal country.
btw China has broken the DPRKs One Korea Policy when it open Diplomatic Ties with the ROK aka SK in 1992.
3:35 Clearly speaking, United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758 just mentioned that China seat is belongs to PROC not ROC, it doesn't mentioned about which government truly reigned Taiwan. But the PROC enlarge this resolution and claimed that Taiwan belongs to China
6:59 yes, for example, Taiwanese passport can travel to most of the countries without visa, even we the Taiwanese people can use Automatic customs clearance in EU like EU citizens. And next week, Taiwan will sign U.S.-Taiwan Initiative on 21st-Century Trade, which will become FTA IN future.
This was close, but when Japan relinquished control of Formosa, it didn’t actually cede it back to China…
What do you mean? After the surrender of Japan in 1945, the US forced Japan to return Taiwan to the Republic of China under Chiang Kai Shek.
The US forced Japan to relinquish Taiwan, that much is true, but they forced Japan to relinquish it to the Allies for administration, with final status to determined later. (Similar to how Germany was carved up into administration zones). The ROC under CKS was the steward that stepped in, as the US took over administration of Japan, but no country formally recognized this transfer of a Taiwan(Formosa back then) as an official handover, just that the island was no longer Japan’s. Just like how Berline was never recognized as part of the US or UK. These things were supposed to be settled a few years later, but was never officially tackled as things got messy in ‘49. At the time it was considered it would be easier to “wait and see.”
It seems trivial, but it’s a fairly significant distinction
May the reunification be peaceful.
nah complete separation in my opinion is a better option.
Call it the ccp, not the cpc
It is both
Taiwan is an independent country.
Within 5 hours!
nice attempt and very admirable fight taiwan.
but 20m people is not gonna beat 1300m people.
Now that's a lot of china
Well originally dating back in the 9th century- 15th century the Philippines had ruled Taiwan by 1571 the last king of the Tagalog died in battle to Spain. As time past by the Philippines Empire lost many of it’s territories. After losing to Spain, Spain controlled Taiwan until they challenged by the Dutch then the Ming Dynasty had successfully took it away from the Dutch.
I just came back from the 40th anniversary of my country relations with Taiwan walk. What’s happening guys.
Tsai Ing Wen will never call ourselves 'China'... I have to clarify nobody is actually sticking to 'one China' in Taiwan, we've got no interest on this issue, and what we care is that we want to maintain to be a independent country
Yesterday the BBC reported that the last known Taiwanese "comfort woman" had died at 92. She was one of over 200,000 women forced into sexual slavery by Japan leading up to and during WW2. That world war was fought against Japan with many casualties and atrocities a little over 80 years ago, yet now they're treated as friends and allies while sights are turned on a China, cast as the evil villain.
im pretty sure plenty of countries not recognizing it including america would fight for taiwan because of alliances with america
Lithuania is GigaChad.
do these allegiances that can be bought matter? the real point is taiwan will be defended disproportionately
Yes and no. Many countries also officially recognize the PRC, but not Taiwan, and yet de facto they still have better relations than with China.
The Chinese civil war hasn't officially ended, a cold conflict doesn't mean there is no war going on... There is a reason people can argue the Russian-Ukraine war started in 2014.
It's all on paper. In real life, pretty much everyone in the western world treats Taiwan and China as two separate countries and at least the Americans are itching for a fight.
please list them all
I wouldn’t personally say recognition is that important in this case honestly. Taiwan’s most powerful ally, the United States, recognizes the People’s Republic of China as the legitimate government of China, but obviously the United States would defend Taiwan against invasion from PRC.
Can you speak about the US debt limit or us debt ceiling crisis.. the effect of government shutdown and us currency 💱 thank you so much.
Britain really should recognise Taiwan. Instead of doing that, Britain is one of the first country recognise PRC and delegitimise Taiwan.
Why do British hate Taiwanese so much?
CCP, not CPC
It only makes sense that China should do business with who it wants. If Palau wants to deny Mainland China's legal recognition of One China Policy, then China would not want it's citizens and it's business to continue there.