MIG Versus TIG Welding on car bodywork, thin sheet steel. Vs Panel Beating tips and tricks vs #65
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Good to see you back Trev.
Absolutely good to see you Trev!
No Way. Nice one Trev. You are badly missed. I learned stick welding at college in a broad based engineering apprenticeship.
Mig was a game changer for me with car bodywork. I bought a migatronic pulse tig welder 15 years ago. It sure makes pretty welds.
I've watched a bunch of videos about welding and nobody has explained MIG vs TIG as clearly and concisely as you have in this video. Thank you.
Good to see you again Trev, hope you and yours are OK and doing well. Very informative video, we are all looking forward to the new content in your new workshop. Take care mate.
Definitely agree regarding transformer vs inverter MIGs, I brought one of those cheap transformer welders with only four power levels, managed to weld up a majority of a rusty Transit, but boy, was getting an inverter a much nicer experience after all that pain 🤣
Absolutely the best welding overview video I've seen! Thanks so much for taking the time to make this Trev!
Always an interesting comparison
love this Trev! when I began my journey in custom paint years ago. I find doing my own prep work is key to a long lasting job. As always mate you have done the community a solid for the video,Thank You!!
There’s a lot of advantages for some of us that started gas welding.
good to see you please find another rusty project to work on i love to see metal working pro jects thank you
Excellent explanation Trev...have so missed your content here in South Africa.
Great to see you back and good luck with your new shop.
Thank you Trev. Great treatment of this topic, as per usual. Good to hear from you and to learn that you, your business, and your projects are well. Looking forward to your next offering.
Thanks for your perspective, Trev. I too learned to gas weld first. It was long ago enough that mig and tig weren't considered much. With the then new HSLA metals, we all had to get mig welders. As I've gotten more into fabrication and coachbuilding, tig is the thing. I also appreciate your product info. I'll be trying Corrolan. I love the welding helmet you told us about. Looking forward to your new shop. Thanks again.
Very good piece. I'm still rocking a Butters MIG but I will get myself a TIG for steel for restoration stuff. Welcome back by the way! :)
I only recently joined the modern world. I've been Oxy-fuel and resistance welding for 40 years. In the last two bought a big Tig machine, transformer Mig machine and portable SMAW power supply.
Gas welding Al was too much. Tig is so much easier for that. I use Mig primarily for rust repair. After all, a grinder and paint makes me the welder I 'aint.
TREV!! Missed you, buddy! Hope you're all keeping well. The Viva is now a 4.6 V8! Cossie engine was going to cost too much to rebuild, so all that stuff got sold off! Cheers. Leigh.
Learnt heaps. Loved the ending.
Very helpful & interesting video thanks Trev.
Great to see you back Trev. Again, a top video with oodles of excellent explanation and tips for the restorer.
Welcome back, I really enjoy all of your videos😅
Definitely on my watch later list 👍
So nice to see you and receive some of your knowledge! You make some of the best videos within topics like this! Thanks for spending your time on this and sharing with us!
Everything explained so well! Loved the video!
Brilliant! Another cracking presentation. Shared this with a few mates who all agree that you produce the most informative and interesting videos in this field. Hope to see more.
Tony - Brisbane
Thank you Tony, I appreciate your comments. I should have more content coming in the new year. My new workshop is coming along nicely. Great to meet you both 😊
I absolutely love how detailed an explanation while entertaining to watch you're gifting us with here.
So good to have the tutorship!!
It’ll be winter here soon and I’ll be back in the shop again. The topic is perfect. I’ll be cutting a Willys Wagon down to an extended cab pickup this winter
A new Trev's Blog, no way! Good to see you! Awesome video!
Brilliant Video Trev, looking forward to seeing the new workshop and more videos!! 👌👌
Glad to hear you again... Great content...thanks 👍
welcome back trev also great to see your videos
Great advice. Thanks Trev.......its a new TIG for me!
The best teacher on you tube, bloody hell we miss you Trev.
Nice to see you back Trev
Nice one Trev, I've always said that you should learn to weld with Gas first (oxyacetylene), when you can do that, start to learn to Mig (not that silly flux core metal welding shit with no gas, simply horrible stuff), and then progress to Tig, that I still think is the hardest of them all. keep it up Trev, and good luck with the new/revised workshop.
Howdy! Well pleased Trev rock on!
Great to see you Trev! As a professional welder who also does restoration work, I love that you put this video together. I have always used this -
*Structural/strength (Frames, etc) = wire weld (mig)
*body/artistic/patches = tig or oxy/acetylene
*coach building = oxy/acetylene"
Great information Trevor! Good to see you back. 😍 Cheers mate!
Trevor I got a Cobra Torch !! Oxy/Acetylene made for aircraft welding!! Aluminum and steel sheet metal its fantastic for auto, bikes and things as such!! Don
Thank You Trev excellent video Its so nice to have someone to explain things in such a manner that is easily understood
Please don't stop the videos I'm sure you are missed by all your followers
really good content and so informative
Take care
wow! You you just blew the fog out of my head about this stuff, all the while, while just speaking to the camera, Super great delivery. I am getting ready to remove and replace the back section of my rusted roof rain gutter section of my van with a perfectly good section I clipped out of a wrecked vehicle. I have a welding pro guy with me but I want to do this job.... I've done a fair amount of DIY welding in the past, but your video pushed me over the edge.... I'm gonna set up, Jig up and go for it. You know how to speak to people like us! Thanks and definitely subscribed from USA.
Awesome insights. Thank you!
Thanks Trev!
Some excellent advice Trevor , Thank you !
I agree, I agree, I agree. I made the mistake of buying a tig machine to fix my rusty car. It's the wrong machine. You might of mentioned that tig welding anywhere other than a bench is nearly impossible. I tig welded 12 ' of rocker panel laying on the floor with a foot pedal between my knees. I stuck the tungsten twenty times and that means regrinding. I had to borrow a mig machine to do most of the unreachable spots and build the inner structure. Even to tig weld it is helpful to have a mig to tack things together. Another thing to mention is that you need two hands to tig and only one for mig. You can hold something up and mig it in place very, very easily.
Great analysis and solid suggestions!
Thanks, great information.
More more more trev … thanks for your time and help
Thanks Trev some very useful info as usual, great vid
Great to see you back trev . Looking forward to new workshop.
Glad to see another video from you. What a great video to have after such a long time. I learned a ton!
Glad to see you Trev....top notch video.
Glad your back trev 👍👍👍
Good to see you back Trev. Another informative epp. ❤
So good to see you back Trev, cant wait to see what you cook up next in your new workshop!
This is fantastic- thank you!!!
Good to see you haven't dropped the torch so to speak always enjoy watching you and the wife trading with Betty the Bedford take care 😀😊❤️
Thanks Trev, great to see you again. Good luck with the new shed build.🤗
Always love your videos!
I'm so glad your back!! Thanks again trev. Very informative as always
Perfect vid for this newbie, Trev. Good on you!
Glad to have you back and great explanation on the source of confusion!
Thanks Trev! There's always something to learn from your videos 😎🤘
A new workshop sounds very exciting!
Great explanation . Pleased to see you back.
Hope that new workshop builds up soon, cause your videos are great.
Great video Trev, hope you and family are good.
Great tuitional advise , thankyou
Great to see you back Trev!! Great vid and very informativ. Thanks for sharing!!😊😊 Gus🇳🇴
Great video great to see looking well your panel work videos are really missed great to see the baking bird is doing great
Hi Trevor great to see you back again. Hope this is one of many.
We missed you, and I am sure, because of you are managing personal and business issues in a quite difficult ballance. Please keep going and keep in mind: "Finished job is better than the perfect-one". We love your approach and we are asking your more videos. Köszönöm
Top video. You hit the point. The only point of criticism, this shouldn't be "tips and tricks #65".
It should be the first video of "The basics of car body repairing, resauration and coachbuilding".
Good grief you know your stuff Trev, explained a lot to me.I don't do much welding these days (I'm 78) but my 1970 Morris Traveller is still doing OK after my welding efforts many years ago. Thanks for sharing and best regards from Ireland.
Thank you Trev! Useful video even for someone with a bit of body restoration experience) Waiting for more videos!
love the video Trev, been following for a few years and you have taught me things i wouldn't of figured out myself. keep up the good work.
Trev! You were missed, welcome back
Good to see some new welding/bodywork content from you Trev. I enjoyed all the videos on your Bedford. Hope to drop by for coffee and a cake someday.
Yayyyy your back Trev, good to see and hear you again. As always an excellent video with brilliant explanation by your good self. Dont be a stranger Trev we miss you too much.👍
Trev, again an excellent video on the what welder to use and why, from a lifetime of experiences with all types of automotive restoration and building. Thank you.
Hello Trev. Thanks for this roundup, it's very relevant to me, I'm welding up a very rusty 100E. Old Cebora 130 analogue. I'm not doing too bad, and your tips will help. Good luck with the business and thanks for the content. Mart from Mart's Garage.
As others have said, great to see you back, Trev. Make of mig welder recommendations would be appreciated.
Nice to see you again Trev. You are the absolut best to explain processes by breaking them down.
The clips used in this one, made me want to look back at your older videos. Looking forward to see new videos, when you finish up you building more space. All the best👍
Good Video. For those interested. You can buy a 3 in 1 Inverter welder, Mig, Tig, Stick. I replaced my transformer type Mig Welder when it died. You spend more time setting up the welder to get a good weld than actual welding. I replaced it with a Kempi Evo Miniarc 200A. Welds Mild Steel, Aluminium , Stainless Steel and Bronze weld for low distortion on car panels on presets on the welder. Just go up a size in the gun tip size for aluminium to avoid jamming the Aluminium Wire in the Torch. Run parallel welds for welds in steel over 5mm Thick. You can TIG weld up to 1.6mm Mild Steel edge on edge without filler wire and is as strong as the parent metal. You can TIG weld any metal with the appropriate filler rod. 30 years ago I did a 60 hour welding course for $60. Invaluable. The instructor made the class weld 10mm plate, V beveled, to show us why you use TIG for sheet metal and MIG for above 3mm. The Metal was so hot it lit the room. Making parallel runs to fill the bevel. I have all 4 types of welders. I mainly use MIG because a monkey can MIG weld or somebody out of practice, which is the same thing.
🌟Excellent info Trev. (Might get an inverter mig welder, I have a boggo SnapOn 130 now, bought new in 1992😆).
How he said to save the panet🤣🤣 @20:33
Excellent video 👍👍👍👍
I’ve missed your videos and I hope to see more soon 🙏
Bloody great to see you back Fantastic content,Been mig welding for years,,Was first taught gas welding then went to mig,but now will be buying a tig as I have found out i miss the fineness of gas
Fantastic knowledge with great information given on mig /tig welding in such a short amount of time,
Never thought about modern cars using strengthened steel and replacing damaged wing with mild steel,how that would effect the weld.
You also gave a in site to the type of weld in coach work, interesting,
As only been using stick welder AC for home projects and are limited with this, its time to get out my 4 in 1 new welder going,
There`s a huge amount to learn with welding so many professional welders have so much info to give, but weird how they can have different methods, many way to skin a cat as the expression goes, `
Even using the wrong mix of gas could over strengthen a weld, witch can make it stronger in hardness but brittle and will crack further down the line,
Its a fascinating profession to go into and dangerous toxic wise , especially galvanized and stainless steel when breathing in there fumes,
I hope in your next video you could find the time to talk on the safety aspect about the dangers welding with certain metals when heated, Not many professional welders speak on this subject, its important to newbies to know this,
But got to mention you came across very professional in explaining the pit falls with the two types of welding,
I think its could be a life time learning curb as Technics change with materials,
Thank you 😊
Wow very informative. Welcome back into my head. 😅. First experience was gas welding quite liked it found it easy. Stick or arc welding even thin stuff. I do have and use a mig welder sometimes as I no long have bottles. Quite fancy a tig just to have a go.
Cheers Austin
How about that I’m a newb looking for my first welder ! Brilliant vid Trev thanks mate I know what to buy now 👌👍
Great advice and video Trev. Just bought a Unimig 230 Ac/dc multi. Amazing machine, my old Unimig was great and gave it to my best mate. These modern machines do anything, going to try tig . Seems very similar to oxy fusion and i used to be great with that in the old days.
Yup, Waxoyl is far too waxy and not oily enough these days. I feel that it better many years ago??
I got a load of 4 inch square steel plates and applied different mixes of waxoyl to half of each. They sat for a few years and it was clear to see that the standard waxoyl didn't really creep at all and kind of dried up and could easily be flaked off. The most effective mix (tried several different oils and greases in several different ratios) was a 50:50 mix (hot) with cheap 15/40 engine oil. This gives a decent amount of creep to fill scratches etc, but isn't too soft and 'wet', though I'd far rather get mucky working on something, than have it rust.
I'm sure that this ratio would be different in different climates. I'm in Scotland, so cold and wet....
You can also mix Waxoyl with normal black underseal which makes a waxy coating very similar to Dinitrol black 4941 when sprayed with shutz gun 👍
Ace explanation Trev, I did oxy (with and without filler rod) and Arc as an apprentice and then later got MIG for myself for hobbying, after many mods to the welder, including separate motor supply, feed mod, Euro gun mod, and welding leads mod, the lesson learnt was, that you should always buy the best welder you can afford, or wait a little longer, does what I want out of it now (56 yr old now :D) but the explanation of where, when and how to apply the applicable type of weld was really well put and I am still learning! Thanks
Good thing I bought a mig to work on my tractor and mower-deck then, though learned on gas at art-school - forty years ago mind!! Been following Pete Williams too as I have replacement motorbike tank to make (thanks ethanol!) - prolly use the spool-gun that came with the mig, if I choose to go with aluminium - more learning ahead for this ole geezer!
Thanks for your vids mate, always inspirational, if not always quite attainable!
Good to see content again Trev. So my question you can answer later concerns direction. Does it matter really if you push your weld bead with the torch or you trail it? Pushing the weld bead seems to work well for me, but it does create a fair lump to smooth out again. Loving your work from Sydney 🇦🇺 .
Welcome back, glad to see you still have all your hair!😅
Hi Trev. Tremendous video and great advice. I do want to weld aluminium in the future so like you I will buy an analogue ac/dc tig welder. I also found my mig welder is an inverter type and as you say its great out the box but difficult to know the changes to make to make it perfect. Still your brilliant as is your wifes channel great work.
I started with stick welding and a very simpel transformer based welder.
You forgot to mention is how many years you have been practicing and honing your skills. :) It all takes practice, real practice! Practice, Patients, Practice, Patients...REPEAT TIG takes a lot of skill and coordination, there is the torch, heat input/pedal, and wire feeding. Thats a lot. Don't think your going to buy a TIG and weld thin steel like Trev :) I love your videos and admire your easy going way and great work! Cheers!
It's a lot easier to learn TIG for anyone that can gas weld. Very similar really just using a plasma 'flame' instead of gas flame. I agree it still takes a fair bit of practice though 👍
This video was really informative. I have done a bit of mig welding (1936 Austin 7 Ruby and 1972 Wolseley 18/85 Landcrab). Certainly not to professional standard. But I still own the Austin, and after 25 years she is still pretty solid.
Now I understand what TIG welding is all about. I also have some idea of how you were able to get such an incredible finish on the panels you fabricated for the Bedford. Thank you very much.
Iv discovered that you have to allways have a gap between your metal because when you start welding the gap closes slightly and if you dont have a gap the metal has nowhere to go so it warps and I allways keep an airline with a blower to hand to blow cold air on the metal to prevent it from warping. And iv discovered your wire thickness is important 0.6 mm works best on car bodywork because it takes less power to melt it and causes less distortion.