Elizabeth Montgomery was hands down the best Lizzie. The sweat on her face ( It was a stifling hot day that day according to reports), her eyes, and subtle nuances of the character - perfection.
@@ghostcityshelton9378 Found online: "While Elizabeth and Lizzie were not directly related, the were however related. Elizabeth is the sixth cousin (once removed) of Lizzie and Emma Borden. They are related through their common ancestors Samuel and Sarah Luther. So yes, they are technically related."
@@Jeff98177 Wow ! Thank you for the info. Still it's pretty interresting. How would you like the person that murdered you ('if' she did it) be buried where you are? CREEPY.
My father was the Cameraman on the Elizabeth Montgomery movie .. My father also lived near the original house in Massachusetts when he was a child... So gave insight into the murders from rumors in the 1930's... I was also on the set during filming assisting my dad... I am also a Cameraman in Hollywood... May I say that Elizabeth was a fantastic and great lady to work with... Anything my dad needed her to do to get the shot right...more chilling...she was right there...!!!
I stayed in the Lizzie Borden house, my sister and I stayed in Lizzie and Emmas' rooms, interesting but no ghosts. I have been fascinated by this case since I was a kid, have read anything and everything ever written about it. Love this stuff!!!!!
You’re a brave person. No way. No how. I would never sleep a wink. I’d probably die from a heart attack of my own doing just waiting to see an axe coming at me.
I've been to the Bordens house 3 times. Not including the 1st time I went there with the Sightings Camera Crew. She was a swell looker. The best film adaption ever was Elizabeth Montgomery!
My sister and I stayed at The B&B in Lizzie and Emmas' rooms, we both read every book ever written on the case, I became interested in this story when I was very young, I would say I was 10, and today when I am closer to 80 then to 70, I still can't get enough of it.
I went there too! I was so excited but when I got in the house, I got sick feeling immediately.. did you feel oppressed in the house? Who's room were you in
I hope that you have had the opportunity to obtain and read the book PARALLEL LIVES written by Michael Martins and Dennis Binnette, curator and assistant curator of the Fall River Historical Society. It's nearly 1,000 pages with hundreds of photographs. It covers her entire life from her birth in 1860 to her death in 1927, as well as the history of Fall River between those same years, hence the title of the book. A loong but great read that took ten years to produce.
How do you leave out Elizabeth Montgomery who's family tree traces back to her being a distant relative to Lizzie as well!!??!!?? Her performance was my favorite out of them all!!!
Probably because the voice over probably isn’t old enough to know Elizabeth played the role. You are right she played the role much better than anyone else.
New theory has it the murder weapon was a "sad iron" or cast iron which Lizzie was using to iron that morning. Even a cursory examination of the wounds to the skulls shows this is the most realistic weapon. It has a practical handle, is heavy metal and has both sharp edges and pointed ends. Use, rinse and display. Repeat. No one would be the wiser. I think the theory has great merit.
@@martavdz4972 Lizzie was ironing. In several documentaries and historical documents there is mention of a cast iron and some sort of board on which ironing was done in the kitchen that day. It's been reported multiple times and corroborated that the maid was tasked with washing windows that morning. In any case, it's not my theory, but it's a dandy! A "sad iron" ... perfect!
Y'all need to change your copy to include Elizabeth Montgomery as Lizzie Borden. While the other two actresses may have done a good job, and have in other roles they've played, Elizabeth Montgomery deserves credit for her stunning performance!
One of the most interesting aspects of the Lizzie Borden case is that a Fall River police officer saw Bridget Sullivan, the Borden family maid, at dusk on the day of the murders of Andrew and Abby Borden, make two trips across the street from the Borden house to a house across the street. The second time, unlike the first time, Sullivan was noticeably limping. The officer incredibly failed to stop Sullivan to ask her why she was limping! It is very possible that she was limping because she had attached the murder weapon - the hatchet - to her leg and it may have been banging against her knee causing her to limp. Although this is speculation, Sullivan's limping is one of the most interesting mysteries in that infamous case!
@@lhl9010 . The major flaw to your suggestion that Bridget Sullivan could simply carry away the murder weapon in a parcel is obvious - putting the hatchet into a parcel and visibly carrying that parcel outside the Borden house would draw attention to the parcel and to the fact that she is carrying a parcel and raise questions as to what is in the parcel! But by carrying the hatchet in a concealed fashion attached to her leg under her dress, she would be more likely to be able to dispose of the murder weapon unnoticed!
@@lhl9010. It is exceedingly unlikely that Bridget Sullivan would have carried the bloody hatchet that Lizzie Borden used to kill her father and stepmother across the street with police standing guard outside the Borden house in a parcel that could be seen! She would much more likely carry it in a concealed fashion under her dress! If she were so foolishly stupid as to carry the hatchet across the street in a parcel, the police could stop her and question her as to what she was carrying in the parcel AND feel the parcel which would reveal to them the configuration of the hard hatchet inside the parcel!! So my point in my previous posted response comment remains totally valid!
You mention two actresses who portrayed Borden yet you don't even mention Elizabeth Montgomery's portrayal which for my money surpassed the other two hands down.
Maybe they didn't mention Elizabeth Montgomery ,because that movie was just a little TV movie and she was just a TV actress, but Christina Ricci is an accomplished movie actress .... Maybe ?
@@liztexera2230 Just because it's on the big screen doesn't mean it was better. Also, Montgomery was a talented actress well respected in her profession.
What about John Morse, Lizzie's uncle, who was visiting the Bordens? He disappeared the morning of the murders. John was also a big, strong butcher who toted some serious butcher tools. The day before the murders, John and Andrew had gotten into a big fight over a business deal wherein John accused Andrew of cheating him. Does anybody ever talk about those little details? Another point to consider is the fact that Lizzie Borden was found innocent of all charges by a jury of her peers.
@@Galen-864 Do you know where I can read about it? After all these years, people still won't let the woman rest in peace. I would like to give her a fair shake....maybe clear her name.
@@sylviaklages6871 Lizzie has been vilified for over a century now. I apologize, but I don't remember where I heard about the uncle's intricate alibi. I just remember the cops thought it had too much detail to be a normal alibi. Not to mention, when the uncle returned the day of the crime, instead of asking the crowd or police what happened, he just went into the backyard and was seen eating a pear. One of Lizzie's alibis. The whole thing is sure a head scratcher.
@@sylviaklages6871 there is this lawyer who talked about it go check him out. His channel is law and lumber. He and some other friends go through the history and the case itself
After reading 4 books on this case, I'm inclined to go with the boyfriend theory. Lizzie said so on what she thought was her deathbed, but then didn't die. Also, a Lot of money was at stake. Her step mother dying first in Not a coincidence.
women were not as motivated by money in those days as they are today, most were not even involved in the finances. it could be a boyfriend of Emma's and that is why they never spoke much and Emma did not have much to say.
Yes - produced in 1974 - released in early '75 - Elizabeth Montgomery shed her 'good girl' image while proving she had real range as an actor. And she and Lizzie Borden were actually distant cousins - although Elizabeth was apparently never aware of that - as the genealogy linking the two was confirmed much later.
@@garyc39 ~~ actually - even though there has long been debate about it - many consider the term 'actor' appropriate regardless of gender - and long before 'gender-neutral' became a thing.
This video briefly shows the pigeons that were Lizzie's pets. Andrew cut their heads off in a fit of anger against something Lizzie had done. THAT'S why she finally flipped out and killed them both. I also wonder if she wasn't being sexually abused by him. There were some really weird family dynamics going on in that household, besides just the 'Andrew was a miser' ones.
None of this is verified, Wikipedia says those are just rumours and might not be true. But I totally agree about the dynamics. When I read about the case and saw the pictures of the family members, it gave me a "I wouldn't like to meet them, let alone live in their house" kind of feeling. I finally saw where the Western fascination with 19th century crimes comes from. (We don't have that in my country, 19th century is a much more "national revival" and "small town comfort and gossip" kind of time period.)
I agree. Both girls were considered pretty. With their wealth, education decent for the time, and moral character, men should have been beating down the doors to get to marry them. Yet, I think Emma only had one suitor and Lizzie none. There was definitely something wrong in that house way before the murderers. Could be simply laws of the time. Andrew was getting old. If he died before Abby, Abby got it all and could kick Emma and Lizzie out.
Some sources insinuate that there was molestation of Lizzie and Emma by their father...this would explain a lot regarding both of their never marrying and isolating personal characteristics.
Yes but we can't be sure. It was also common for one daughter to remain unwed to take care of her parents. Some refused to marry as they also had very high standards too.
I wondered about their still being single at that age, when many young ladies were usually married by the time that they were between 18-22, or somewhere near that age. Some people are notorious for living double lives. Not saying that that's the case here, but it admittedly does lead to some speculation.
I heard stories that both sisters were molested by their father, which would explain neither marrying and that was one reason that Lizzie was found not guilty.
That couldn't have been the reason, as something like that would have been kept very hush-hush. People talked about things like that in villages but not in uptight upper-class society.
Lizzie was found not guilty because the prosecution didn't have any actual evidence. As far as the incest theories - nothing seems to support them, it's always possible but no evidence whatsoever.
Another hatchet murder occurred in the town during the trial which greatly influenced the outcome. It was determined that culprit had arrived after the Borden murders however.
A few things I wonder about: Why were there no bruising or trauma to Lizzie's hands? This would have occurred to anyone wielding a weapon with several hard impacts involved. Also with this type of killing there would have definitely been blood in her hair, yet her hair had not been washed. And why did Lizzie and Emma stop speaking to each other after the murders? Never spoke to each other ever again. Just some things to ponder. 🤔
Lizzie and Emma didn't stop speaking to each other until much much later. Most believe Emma moved out of their new home after Lizzie became close friends with actress Nance O'NEIL
It occurs to me that the COMPLETE absence of blood on Lizzie after the murders happened may actually speak to her guilt instead of her innocence. If you read the Q&As of the Inquest Lizzie claims after she found her father she did not know if he was dead or not. (Yet she immediately ran to the bottom of the stairs and yelled up at Bridgett (Maggie) that someone had come in and killed him. She did not start screaming at her father desperately wanting a response from him. No effort for or hope of his survival is made or even claimed to have been made.) I think most innocent people if they walked in and to their utter surprise saw a loved one beaten and/or stabbed to a bloody mess would rush to their aid and thereby get blood on them and because they are truly innocent would not be concerned about blood getting on them and making them look guilty because their primary concern is helping their injured loved one. However, a guilty murderer would go to the lengths of making sure they are completely blood free as Lizzie was (minus the small speck on her undergarment). As for the bruising on the hand I would say I have been a martial arts instructor for many years and I teach Stick and Knife and I have also done hatchet throwing/fighting. It is MORE than possible to successfully weld a weapon without bruising your hands. Yes, perhaps less likely with an untrained person just going into a frenzy but still possible. Also, while I am not aware of any question or mention of bruising to her hands I'm sure if there was she would have easily made an excuse that could not be disproved. (Remember OJ cut his finger too, made an excuse and got away with it.)
Keep in mind, it’s a different era, in time, women were not as free as we are today, shock can do many things to people , also his head was beaten to pulp, that had to be gruesome and would put anyone in a mental state , they didn’t have ems like we do or were taught cpr Completely different services provided to communities
Enough already...Elizabeth Montgomery, Elizabeth Montgomery. Elizabeth Montgomery...We're not talking about a TV actress or a movie made for TV wake up!
Without modern legal procedures and modern forensic techniques we will never know who killed the Bordens. The case against Lizzy was not strong in the first place.
“Close the door, lock and latch it. Here comes Lizzie with a brand new hatchet.” “Lizzie Borden took an axe and gave her father forty whacks. When she saw what she had done, she gave her mother forty-one.” ⛏. I grew up close to Fall River, MA, and those were the rhymes I grew up with about the murders.
I have always wondered if Lizzie's Uncle, (who I believe was her "mother's" brother), Lizzie, her sister & the maid were all in on it together, covering for each other and all sharing the inheritance. The Uncle could have easily killed the stepmother & father, cleaned himself up and left. Having the girls cover for him. Just a thought.
Bridgette (the maid) said on 2 occasions when she thought she was on her deathbed and needed to clear her conscience stated she helped Lizzie clean herself and hid the dress in a container of "menstrual rags" because a male cop wouldn't search in there. Interestingly Bridgette left the house that day and never returned because she was afraid
Elizabeth Montgomery was actually lizzie's distant cousin..but didn't know it until after the movie was made..she played her own cousin and didn't even know it..crazy..
Nicholas Shade If the timeline is correct, the drifter killed Abby around 9:30 in the morning sat around for an hour and a half than killed Andrew, nothing in the house was stolen and what was the motive ? Lizzy had a motive.
It’s a lot like OJ Simpson in that there was no other scenario that really made sense apart from “(S)he did it,” though Lizzie had sense enough not to write about how she would have gone about performing the murders.
I went to elementary school just up the street from the Borden House and grew up with the stories of the famous murder. Always wondered who really did it. Lots of speculation, but I tend to lean toward Lizzie. She had motive and opportunity.
I've always thought it highly unlikely. She went up before a jury all too ready to hang her and ended up being acquitted. Just not enough evidence. The possibility that she may have been involved somehow or suborned others to do it can't be ruled out though.
Wait..while Lizzie was outside, the maid was upstairs, and only came down when Lizzie called her. Could not the maid have killed both while Lizzie was outside?
@@CanadianMonarchist We don't know. Maybe they were not paying her. Maybe he had unfairly given her her notice. Maybe there was a sexual problem. I am not saying any of these things are true, just that we don't know.
While forensics was limited at the time it was still capable of determining a timeline based on the stomach contents of both victims abby had died somewhere between 1-2 hours before Andrew. As we knew they ate at the same time that morning. Andrew had fully digested his food, Abby's was just moving into the intestine. According to not only Bridget, but John Morse - Abby, Andrew and John ate together that morning. Bridget's outside talking to a neighbor's maid around 9:15, if the maid did it by herself then Lizzie would have been telling the truth that Abby had come downstairs and talked to Lizzie somewhere around 9:30ish (she doesn't know the exact time). Bridget then goes to wash windows, and does not come in for quite a while and Lizzie did generally confirm that.
A good number of commentors, myself included, insist that Grunge revamp this video so that Elizabeth Montgomery is mentioned at the same time as the other actresses who have played Lizzie Borden. It has been pointed out that the 1975 TV movie _The Legend of Lizzie Borden_ and Ms Montgomery are mentioned later on but I assert that fans of the latter should not have to wait.
5:40 Good observation. People often think right to an attorney (Miranda rights) only came to be in the late 1960's. That was the supreme court national mandate. Before then, it was up to the local jurisdiction. So some states were doing it all along.
Emma, Lizzie & Bridget (Maggie) were all in on it. I will always believe that. They all made out quite well after Emma got control of the estate. Emma had to be out of town. She was the one who was going to inherit the bulk of the estate, because she was the oldest. Had she been there, it would've put a wrench in her claim to the estate and and she would've been a prime suspect. Maggie, who was so poor that she couldn't even send much money home...went to Canada and made out pretty well. She wouldn't have been able to afford a train ticket from Massachusetts to Canada. She wanted to move to New York, but she could never save enough money. But she ended up leaving the country altogether? Yeah, I'm sure she did leave the country. I will always believe no matter who swung the ax, that all three women were in on it and were rewarded handsomely well, with Andrew Borden's money.
One of Alfred Hitchcock’s weekly shows tells a story of what happens in the Borden house about a year after Lizzie was acquitted. Sir Alfred had an interesting take on the situation, very(!) interesting. He really knew how to tell a story!
" Lizzie Borden had an axe 🪓 She gave her Mother 40 whacks When she saw what she had done She gave her Father 41 " in Fall River this is considered a good jump rope song 😂😂☠👻🤘
There is a short story about the murders indicating that the daughters had been molisted by their father over a number of years. A short story only, but interesting.
I think if the story is ever to be known, the key is why these two sisters were never married, which was very unusual in that time. This is the first time in all the writing, movies or video I have seen about this case, that their not being married is even mentioned.
I believe that lizzie had a door , the only door that directly opened on her father,s bedroom. Perhaps he molested both daughters, thst,s why they never got married. there,s still so much controvercy about who killed them. I suppose lizzy is the prime suspect, however it would be extremely hard for her to erase every trace of blood; unless she had an acomplice. Hetr sister...the maid, or...not very likely-someone else altogether. A fascinating case, that will probably never be sloved,. Or will it?🐦la👀🐦l
With neither the Borden's maid or gardener cleared and no idea who killed their parents, they decided to stick together because they each knew the other was innocent and thought the person or people who killed their parents would kill them too
@@michaelmckinnon1591 I don't think Lizzy was too worried as she slept in the house after the murders even the night after the murders while their bodies were still laid out downstairs. Someone was even spotted going downstairs that night and walking around (someone holding a lantern descending the stairs in the middle of the night spotted by outside press members), it is believed to have been Lizzy. The fact that she was not worried about staying in the house directly after the murders lead me to believe that she felt safe and knew whoever killed them were not going to kill her (especially if she herself committed the murders or knew who did). The murders were also committed in such a way that made those murders personal, not a stranger. I really do think that if she did kill them, that it was for more than one reason. Intentional poisoning is more the act of a female. I think that she wanted to poison her stepmother and her father but was thwarted. Her father had been generous to Abby's relatives but stingy with them on a day to day basis and with the belief that on his death all might be left to Abby, Liz and her sister saw Abby as a threat to their livelihoods and well being, plus they just did not like her and refused to acknowledge her as a 'mother'. A 'crime of passion' but it must have been well thought out ahead of time. I think the murder plot moved forward quickly directly after Liz's father killed (murdered in Lizzy's eyes).... her pet pigeons and in her rage she decided that her father and her stepmother would suffer the same fate as her beloved pigeons. She did have to murder Abby first for inheritance reasons. Lizzy's sister's role is more mysterious as her sister was very religious. Liz was outwardly religious but not so much after time went on after the murders (hosting parties with the decadent art crowd etc..) which led to a falling out between the two sisters when they parted ways and never spoke again. I don't think the maid was directly involved but knew of the tensions that were bubbling underneath in the household. How much she knew is hard to say but she may not have liked Lizzy's father and stepmother much either as they were miserly and she was working in a very unpleasant atmosphere under their control. I do think she was given a handsome sum to leave the area permanently and to eventually leave the country. The other theories just don't add up as much to me, especially as I consider the two brutal murders to have been very personal and whoever did it was filled with rage.... resulting in the over kills. I think Lizzy did it and her sister was probably aware that Lizzy wanted to do it (especially to Abby) well before it took place. Lizzy's sister, being so religious, would not have allowed herself to take part in murders but may have convinced herself that it was okay to keep quiet and not intervene. She was not afraid of Lizzy after the murders, she lived with her for years until the fall out and the fall out appears to have been because Lizzy's sister was far more puritanical than Lizzy was. So Lizzy was not afraid of whoever the murderer was or of being murdered herself and Lizzy's sister does not appear to have been afraid of Lizzy. Considering that their mom died when Lizzy was two and Lizzy's sister took over the role of mom, I do wonder if there is something to the rumors that child molestation by the father might have been involved, especially during the time period after their mother's death and before he married Abby. We will never know and it is hard to speculate as it may not be true and that would be unfair to the father if it is not true. It would help to explain why the sisters never married though, which was very unusual at that time. Whatever the case may be, Lizzy's father and stepmother did not deserve to be hacked to death. Lizzy may have been thinking that her pets, her pigeons, did not deserve to be hacked to death. I do think the the pigeons were the main trigger of what happened and when it happened. It is unfortunate that during that time period and society, women in the sisters position had very few options, if they were living under father's rule in an unhappy situation, other than marriage as an escape. Mind you, if I remember correctly, their father did give his two daughters some rentals with tenants and they could have tried harder to make a success of that and have possibly earned and gained some independence from that but that did not go well and they ended up being sold. Also, Lizzy was known for stealing from stores, thefts that her father covered up for her. I do think Lizzy wanted the high life and her father being a scrooge may have led up to their murders. Also, Lizzy could have moved from the area after she was set free after the trial. She could have moved to another part of the country or to another country, but she did not even though she was ostracized. I think she perhaps enjoyed being whispered about, being the center of gossip, she preferred the negative attention versus living a life of anonymity somewhere else. She strikes me as possibly being narcissistic.
I don't know why "not getting married was unusual" is mentioned everywhere. It wasn't so extremely unusual that it requires explanation by incest. Jane Austen never married. And people died a lot then. One of the Borden girls might have fallen in love with a guy who died of tuberculosis or cholera. I actually know a woman today who dated a guy who later died of cancer, and she hasn't married in order to honour his memory. If people like that exist today, the more likely it is that they existed in the 19th century.
Just a thought. Today, you sometimes hear of these types of crime where sexual abuse is involved. The father abuses and the mother (stepmother) knows, but looks away. Was that ever considered?
It's definitely been suggested, including by profiler John Douglas when writing about the Borden case in his book "The Cases That Haunt Us", a very interesting read.
The bedroom doors upstairs were not to a hall way but to other bedrooms. Definitely an odd set up, lack of privacy. In addition to information given Mr. Borden didn’t just have his wealth in cash assets but also gold bars. Made him more wealthy then normally understood. Crime of passion or attempted murder for wealth gain. Insider or just a failed attempt to gain wealth via a plan 6 levels deep, who knows. There would have to be some sort of information in depth about who approached the living family member afterwards in their state of shock and grief. Follow the money...
That could very well have been the case, that very same scenario happened to me personally throughout my childhood....I never told my mom so I'm not really sure if she knew or not, but after I got older and went to therapy they encouraged me to confront my father , when I did ,in front of my mom ,she said that didn't happen you're n drugs , said no ,you have it backwards, I used drugs because of the sexual abuse !
I think they were a lot more than just thoughtless. They didn't even learn her name, and called her by the name of a previous Irish maid they'd had. I don't think she did it, but they were just awful to her.
@@kimberlyplayer She could quit and move on. Killing her employers wouldn't benefit her at all. She'd still need to find another job. Also, her name was Bridget but they insisted on calling her Maggie, which annoyed her.
Lizzie had no guarantee of any inheritance. MA law at the time would give all the estate to the oldest heir (Emma) if there was no will. Now Emma did by her own accord split the money, but under law she didn't have to.
Better than most I've heard, and you mentioned the Brown book which suggests Andrew Borden's illegitimate son. I read it and found it very compelling. Taken in the light that Lizzie was covering for him, some of the odd statements she made make more sense.
@Anne Goodreau, Could it be that the reason why she made such contradictory statements to the police be because she was, how to put it? Super high on morphine? From what I have read, Lizzie was given morphine by the family doctor because of her nerves.
@@cindyaraya7317 I know that's the long held belief. But when I read the book by Mr. Brown, he goes over that testimony in the light of his theory that Lizzie knew John Borden had been on the property, had motive and opportunity, and was covering for him. Looking at it that way, there were some "aha" moments about what she said and how she said it. If you can get the book, I think you'll enjoy it. It might not change your mind, although it did mine, but I think you'll see that his alternate theory has some merit.
@@annegoodreau4925 Or just that she was high. Why make it so overly complicated? When you think about it, if she was high on morphine, it makes sense about a lot of her weird contradictory statements.
Because there could be evidence that Lizzie didn't do it. It could clear her name. Just like it is today, mistakes can be made if all evidence isn't taken into consideration. Very, very few people have considered the evidence that John Borden was there, and there is such evidence.
Didn't some forensic psychologist investigate this crime a few years back and suggest that incest between father and daughter or daughters, may have been the motive for murder. Obviously Lizzie was acquitted, but the mindset of the day wouldn't think it possible that a father was having sexual relations with his daughter or daughters. I think it's entirely possible that both sisters were involved.
It's a plausible theory, but it doesn't explain why the stepmother was killed first. It would have made sense to kill the father and then his wife because she witnessed the murder or because she was an enabler. Had it been Lizzie's own mother who was the enabler, I would understand Lizzie's built-up feeling of betrayal by her and subsequent blind hatred. But Abby was just her stepmother.
Though there aren't a lot of them, I've noticed that in photographs of her, Lizzie Borden had strange-looking eyes, a strange expression. I've also seen a photograph of Lizzie's mother and she also had unusual-looking eyes; there was something unsettling about mother and daughter. I wonder what Lizzie's mother was like.
Yeah, and Lizzie's mother's brother, too. To be honest, they all look a bit scary to me in the pictures. They remind me of a guy I knew and suspected of sociopathy. That doesn't automatically make them dangerous, though, as pointed out above.
Lizzie couldn't stand her father, she resented her stepmother, offing them both put her in line for a large inheritance, murder of passion, an 'axe' to grind so to speak.
I am not sure if the stories about Lizzie hating her father and stepmother were true. She had known no other mother. Children often resent a stepmother if the parents are divorced or the mother dies when the child is old enough to remember...But Lizzie was not. And the stories about the father being a pinchpenny are probably not true either, he gave a house to his wife's relatives, and gave Lizzie and Emma a house, sent Lizzie to tour Europe. When he died, he had a ring on his finger that Lizzie had gifted to him. That does not sound like hate to me.
@@cathy1112 Yes. I don't think there is much to the story that there was trouble in the family. I think someone hid upstairs, killed Emma, then when the time was right, came down and killed the father, then left.
I think it was Lizzy and i also think that using the hatchet was her second option cause from what i have heard is that apparently she had stopped taking meals with her family, funny thing when other family members had been feeling ill and thinking that someone had been trying to poison them, then we know that Lizzy tries to get some poison at a pharmacy but was told she couldnt have it. On the day of the murders either her step mother probably had said something to her which she didnt like or she was fed up of trying it with the poison ,that out came the hatchet, Then when her father arrived she told the maid to go and lay down a little while as she wasnt feeling well (maids room was in the attic and wasnt going to hear anything) and her tight fisted father also got done with the hatchet. Bad girl Lizzy naughty naughty
Elizabeth Montgomery was better at portraying Lizzy than all those "remakes" out there. Elizabeth got into character better because she actually did the research of Lizzy and her life and CA & DA she suffered by the hands of her father not long after his first wife died when Lizzy was a toddler.
After watching this and reading some of the comments I about jumped out of my skin when the wind blew outside, jerking my bathroom door shut. I didn't even realize how creeped out I was until then. How anyone could sleep in the bedroom where Abby was murdered is beyond me. I wouldn't be caught dead doing it!
That these girls were severely abused is a given. I wouldn't want to be on a jury to convict either of them. I suspect neither sister was ever convicted because nobody was willing to judge them. They were punished all their lives, adding more would be redundant.
@@awakingone I wish I was as abused. 5K for a house given to me. A generous weekly allowance. A 19 week tour of Europe. A 2500 sq. foot house. Never working a day in my life. A live in maid for a household with three adult women with no jobs. A Dad that frequently referred to his daughters as "my girls". Mr. Borden was even still wearing the gold ring on his finger when he was murdered, a gift from Lizzie.
These girls were not severely abused! When he died, the father was wearing a ring that Lizzie gave him. He wasn't really stingy either. He had paid for Lizzie to tour Europe, and gave Lizzie and Emma a house. Lizzie loved her dad. He was not mean to them. All the stories that he was mean to them or stingy with them are just coming from authors trying to lend credibility to the idea that Lizzie did it.
@@johndoe-wv3nu Just one maid for a biggish house and a four-member family wasn't that much. That's what my grandmother had as a kid, and her father was just a clerk with a small flat in the 1930's with labour-saving appliances, not a millionaire with a biggish house in the 1890's. Either the maid was overworked, or the ladies did some chores. You're forgetting how much work everything took then. Doing the laundry by hand, the ashes in the fireplaces, carpets beaten by hand...
@@martavdz4972 it's documented that the other 3 woman did chores. As did Andrew. Keep in mind our station in life is measured by those around us. See: Hetty Green and Newpor, RIt mansions (Vanderbilt's etc.).
Elizabeth Montgomery is related to Lizzie Borden they are cousins in real life. I have seen Christina Ricci's and Elizabeth Montgomery's verison both are good. Lizzie Borden took her secrets to the grave. The Lizzie Borden home is Haunted I went there in 2019 and it was apart of my birthday present.
@@pixivity2 I dontvknow. I know you can still go to the B & B (Bed and Breakfast). I want to go so bad. It sounds like so much fun. I'd have to go walking around the town. WWJD ✝
Sometimes, you had to use the men's low education and superstitions of women's functions against them. XD I'll bet you could still pull it off in a 3rd world country, or in the deep American South someplace.
I've always been fascinated with Lizzie Borden ever since I was a young girl. I am from New England myself and it was I big thing to learn about. I grew up in both northern and southern N.H. Massachusetts was only a state away from us. I recall the jump rope song about her as I was constantly jumping when not in school.
Andrew Borden had a meeting that morning, that his wife was to meet him there to sign some papers. This could have been Lizzie's trigger, since her grandfather's house had already been given to his wife's indigent sister. Possible motive?
It was thought that the wife/stepmom was killed first because when she died everything went to the husband/dad. Then he died everything went to daughters. If dad died first everything went to wife and wifes family. If she died second the wife's family got everything....Food for thought?
Christina Ricci did a really good job in this. I always rooted for Lizzie because she had a miserly father and an awful stepmonster who was keeping her from her rightful inheritance. they even served leftover lamb stew that had not been refrigerated for breakfast that morning the old man was so cheap, everybody barfed and got sick. She was lucky to be found not guilty but she never did ever marry and was considered a local pariah!! Poor Lizzie?!?
I read a book, dont remember author or title, that speculated that Lizzie and the maid were found together by Abbey in an intimate situation and Lizzie flipped out about Abbey telling the father and the scandel that would follow.
Doing my family tree it turns out Lizzie (the bordens) are part of my family. Since then I have done a lot of research and put a lot of thought into this, and No I do not believe she actually killed her father and stepmother. On the other hand if she did , I believe it was because her father sexually abused her and her sister which is why they were never married and both a bit off.
So if you look at the time line of Andrew's death, it shows Lizzie probably didn't do it unless Bridget was involved. Bridget said when she got upstairs and lied down on her bed (she does not undress) she heard the town hall clock chime 11 so we have our first timestamp. Shortly there after she hears Lizzie screaming for her. She gets up and goes down to the kitchen where Lizzie tells her something happens to father and sends her to get Dr. Bowen. Bridget runs diagonally across the street to the Bowen house (this house is no longer there, today there is a court house there, actually where aaron hernandez was tried but this would have been around 60~ yards from the kitchen entry to his door). She knocks on the door, his wife answers. Bridget explains there is an emergency at the borden house, the wife indicates he's out on a house call but she will send him over when he returns. She goes back to the side kitchen door, Lizzie is standing there. She tells Lizzie borden isn't there. Lizzie asks then if she knows where Alice Russell lives. She says she does, and begins the run towards Alice Russell's house. A neighbor, named Adelaide Churhill is returning from the market. She sees Bridget run by her house (she has to be going to Russell's at this point because she's on the borden house side of the street). She thinks its strange but doesn't stop Bridget. Churhill goes to put her groceries away in her kitchen. She looks at the window and sees Lizzie standing in obvious distress, she yells out the window to ask lizzie what is the matter. Lizzie says, Do come over something terrible has happened. She exits her house and walks around the fence. She meets lizzie by the side entrance and Lizzie now tells her more details of what has taken place. At the same time, a man is walking by and overhears the conversation. He checks the house number and then goes to a store (a little less than a half mile away) and calls the police. That call is logged at 11:15 by the police station clock which is synched with the town hall clock. So all of these events took place in 15 minutes. If you experiment on how long it would take all these back and forth that take place and then go to the store the make call, the fastest its going to happen is 4 minutes. In other words Lizzie had 11 minutes, to kill andrew, completely clean up herself, dispose of the murder weapon, dry off, redo her hair, dispose of the bloody clothes, she had to do all of this without leaving blood trails throughout the house. No way she did it. There wasn't even modern plumbing in that house.
@@davecm1605 Thanks for the details! I read that she might have killed him while dressed in his own cloak and it's possible no blood got on her hair - that would dispose of some of the problems you mention. But I agree, there are still too many actions left and too little time.
@@greyeaglem If that was the case, it would make sense to me that she killed her father and then her stepmother. Not butcher the stepmother probably in a fit of rage, hurt and frustration, then quietly wait for 1,5 hour, then butcher the father.
So we'll never know the real story. I am originally from Massachusetts and even though I know her name and that a murder took place I didn't know she was acquitted. I guess this is the OLDEST cold case on record. Only in Massachusetts!
Definitely not the oldest cold case. You do realize there were civilizations with some kinds of police and judges and records thousands of years before 1892?
funny how on top of each other they all were, like Emma had to go thru Lizzie's room to get to her own, or the maid had to go through Andew's room to get to her attic bedroom. That'd drive me mad. Did they rent the maid's attic room out as well for B&B?
It was a conspiracy. Morse was Sarah Bordon's ( the mother of Lizzie and Emma ) brother who had something to gain in the deaths. Just because Emma was stated to be in Fair Haven doesn't mean she was actually there. What a great alibi. Morse had his alibi by visiting family that morning and returning on a street car with several Priests. He did return to the home wandered around the people to the Pear tree before being allowed in. He was merely a drop in unexpected diversion so that Emma who was hiding in one of the several locked rooms could wait for Lizzie to need her to clean up the blood on her and redress her for both murders. Morse would have been paid a handsome amount of money to transport Emma there from Fair Haven before daylight. He must have asssisted to get her to a carriage to arrive later in the day Lizzie did the murders and Emma the clean up. Laugh all you want ! Just a theory since I always found it weird that Morse just showed up. Remember if you find the right snake, you can always buy an airtight alibi !
I've always thought Uncle John Morse was involved, and I don't understand why he isn't talked about more as a suspect. It's suspicious af the murders occurred the morning after he arrived. His tense conversation or argument with Andrew the night of his arrival (the details of which have been lost to history). Morse's too-perfect alibi, memorized down to the streetcar numbers, seems overdone, too perfect, and pre-planned. And then there's his very odd behavior after supposedly running errands and returning to the Borden's to find a huge crowd gathered in the street and the property overrun with police because his hosts has been hacked to death. Did Morse rush in, shocked, to get details and comfort his niece? Nope. He went to the backyard and just wandered around chillin, eating pears. WHAT?!
unsupported speculation, remember no bathtubs in the house, any blood on someone would have been noticed and it was a hot day a fire to burn bloody clothing would also have been noticed. Uncle John had left in the morning to visit his niece across town he left his nieces house after the supposed time that Andrew was murdered and returned to the house after the police were there, he came in the back gate that is why he was not aware of what was going on inside.
She should have moved away to another city, rather than stay in Fall River. She would have fared better. But, maybe she wanted to be buried with her father.
I would have stayed there. I would've ate better than she did. And I would've exercised more than she probably did. I would have jogged around the block, like everyday. WWJD ✝
@@SymphonyBrahms I believe she loved him but DID kill him. She was about to be disinherited by her father and was unmarried; plus, she wanted more freedom to spend and do as she wished than he allowed her. If she hadn't killed him and been acquitted, she would have been poor after his death, and probably homeless. That was unacceptable to Lizzie.
I’m surprised that you didn’t even mention Elizabeth Montgomery’s portrayal of Lizzie Borden! She gave a very chilling performance. And yes, I believe Lizzie Borden committed the murders.
She was interviewed first and told the very specific detail that the door was locked and she struggled to open it for Andrew and as she did so she heard Lizzie laugh from upstairs. in Lizzie's first interview she said she was in the kitchen reading a magazine when her dad came home. At that point Abby was already dead upstairs. also, the maid was outside cleaning the windows at the time Abby was killed. interestingly, the maid was pretty freaked out and spent the following night at another house.
Do you think Lizzie Borden killed her parents or was it someone else?
I think that it must have been either her evil twin 'LEZZIE" Borden, or a TRUMP supporter!
She was grouped by joe biden
She did it.
@@pathetictroll7557 You really are, aren’t you?
How come the maid(Sullivan) didn’t hear anything during her nap when the murders were happening? I mean the house wasn’t really that big.
Elizabeth Montgomery was hands down the best Lizzie. The sweat on her face ( It was a stifling hot day that day according to reports), her eyes, and subtle nuances of the character - perfection.
Fun fact: Elizabeth Montgomery was distantly related to Lizzie Borden.
@@dbzgal04 Really? That is fascinating. I didn't know that. How is she related?
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@@elizabeth-tl9pv yes? Hello?
Elizabeth Montgomery definitely was the best Lizzie
Elizabeth Montgomery did a great job portraying Lizzie Borden.
Exactly. I don't know how you forget her portrayal.
Yes. I love her version.
She was actually part of the Borden family, I don't know what as ...but generations going forward. It can be looked up.
@@ghostcityshelton9378 Found online: "While Elizabeth and Lizzie were not directly related, the were however related. Elizabeth is the sixth cousin (once removed) of Lizzie and Emma Borden. They are related through their common ancestors Samuel and Sarah Luther. So yes, they are technically related."
@@Jeff98177 Wow ! Thank you for the info. Still it's pretty interresting.
How would you like the person that murdered you ('if' she did it) be buried where you are? CREEPY.
My father was the Cameraman on the Elizabeth Montgomery movie ..
My father also lived near the original house in Massachusetts when he was a child...
So gave insight into the murders from rumors in the 1930's...
I was also on the set during filming assisting my dad...
I am also a Cameraman in Hollywood...
May I say that Elizabeth was a fantastic and great lady to work with...
Anything my dad needed her to do to get the shot right...more chilling...she was right there...!!!
I just watched that version with Elizabeth Montgomery last night. Your Dad did a great job.
Robin thanks for commenting here that's so interesting. WWJD ✝
Yeah right
Your Dad was the ONLY camera man on that movie? You male it sound so.
wish i could have been there - just rewatched - love Ed Flanders and Fritz Weaver
I stayed in the Lizzie Borden house, my sister and I stayed in Lizzie and Emmas' rooms, interesting but no ghosts. I have been fascinated by this case since I was a kid, have read anything and everything ever written about it. Love this stuff!!!!!
You’re a brave person. No way. No how. I would never sleep a wink. I’d probably die from a heart attack of my own doing just waiting to see an axe coming at me.
Staying there would feel ghoulish!
@@floydkingi4364, I LOVE Hungarian goulash!!
It’s our dream to stay in the Lizzie Borden house! Fascinating story, would love to film an episode there!
Wow what fun! I can't wait to spend the night there! I guess I'm just awful!
The way they were killed was personally. Whoever killed them knew them and hated them
Learn English before you post!
That's what I was going to say. Obviously, a crime of passion, a definite personal connection.
@@jameswoods6900 how rude.
@@jameswoods6900 can you not be critical of a person who's first language is not English?
I myself think it was a drifter. WWJD ✝
I've been to the Bordens house 3 times. Not including the 1st time I went there with the Sightings Camera Crew. She was a swell looker. The best film adaption ever was Elizabeth Montgomery!
Elizabeth montgomery and lizzy were distance cousins
I've never heard of it until today.
@@kimberlyplayer Hello 👋 Playgirl, it's a real story and just walking in the door 🚪 you can feel something in the air !
Thank you! I just said that in the comments, and this site didn't even mention her!
While the corpses of Andrew and Lizbeth "Lizzie" Borden's stepmother were still there under glass or after they were buried?
My sister and I stayed at The B&B in Lizzie and Emmas' rooms, we both read every book ever written on the case, I became interested in this story when I was very young, I would say I was 10, and today when I am closer to 80 then to 70, I still can't get enough of it.
Did your parents die of natural causes?
I went there too! I was so excited but when I got in the house, I got sick feeling immediately.. did you feel oppressed in the house? Who's room were you in
I hope that you have had the opportunity to obtain and read the book PARALLEL LIVES written by Michael Martins and Dennis Binnette, curator and assistant curator of the Fall River Historical Society. It's nearly 1,000 pages with hundreds of photographs. It covers her entire life from her birth in 1860 to her death in 1927, as well as the history of Fall River between those same years, hence the title of the book. A loong but great read that took ten years to produce.
How do you leave out Elizabeth Montgomery who's family tree traces back to her being a distant relative to Lizzie as well!!??!!?? Her performance was my favorite out of them all!!!
She is the definitive Lizzie. She never got enough credit for her dramatic work
Probably because the voice over probably isn’t old enough to know Elizabeth played the role. You are right she played the role much better than anyone else.
I loved her in that role too!
She’s amazing in that part.
Thank you for the warning. Now I am pre-pissed-off properly.
New theory has it the murder weapon was a "sad iron" or cast iron which Lizzie was using to iron that morning. Even a cursory examination of the wounds to the skulls shows this is the most realistic weapon. It has a practical handle, is heavy metal and has both sharp edges and pointed ends. Use, rinse and display. Repeat. No one would be the wiser. I think the theory has great merit.
Is there proof Lizzie was ironing? They had a maid for that.
@@martavdz4972 Lizzie was ironing. In several documentaries and historical documents there is mention of a cast iron and some sort of board on which ironing was done in the kitchen that day. It's been reported multiple times and corroborated that the maid was tasked with washing windows that morning. In any case, it's not my theory, but it's a dandy! A "sad iron" ... perfect!
She was ironing that morning. Easier to hide before Bridget came downstairs and clean before cops came too.
Lizzie was just trying to iron out a couple of issues within the family😉
@@kellysamons1065 so you don't think that bloody clothes or rags would not be noticed
Elizabeth Montgomery did an amazing job playing Lizzie Borden.
Read that they are distance relatives
@@ritawilliams8686 Yes, I just read about that yesterday. Fascinating!
I agree
Yes! Great movie. Saw it for the first time at around 6 years old, and that's where my interest in true crime began.
@@ritawilliams8686 Elizabeth Montgomery and Lizzy Borden?
Y'all need to change your copy to include Elizabeth Montgomery as Lizzie Borden. While the other two actresses may have done a good job, and have in other roles they've played, Elizabeth Montgomery deserves credit for her stunning performance!
Elizabeth Montgomery was also related to Lizzy Borden, sixth cousins
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Seriously?🤔 Never heard that before!
@@Septemberwitch24 I watched an interview she made and she talked about the movie she starred in as Lizzie Borden and she mentioned it.
It was the best.
One of the most interesting aspects of the Lizzie Borden case is that a Fall River police officer saw Bridget Sullivan, the Borden family maid, at dusk on the day of the murders of Andrew and Abby Borden, make two trips across the street from the Borden house to a house across the street. The second time, unlike the first time, Sullivan was noticeably limping. The officer incredibly failed to stop Sullivan to ask her why she was limping! It is very possible that she was limping because she had attached the murder weapon - the hatchet - to her leg and it may have been banging against her knee causing her to limp. Although this is speculation, Sullivan's limping is one of the most interesting mysteries in that infamous case!
there would be no reason to attach a weapon to her leg she could have just as easily bundled it up in a parcel
@@lhl9010 . The major flaw to your suggestion that Bridget Sullivan could simply carry away the murder weapon in a parcel is obvious - putting the hatchet into a parcel and visibly carrying that parcel outside the Borden house would draw attention to the parcel and to the fact that she is carrying a parcel and raise questions as to what is in the parcel! But by carrying the hatchet in a concealed fashion attached to her leg under her dress, she would be more likely to be able to dispose of the murder weapon unnoticed!
@@michaelbarlow6610 No flaw she had already made two trips to the other house carrying parcels.
@@lhl9010. It is exceedingly unlikely that Bridget Sullivan would have carried the bloody hatchet that Lizzie Borden used to kill her father and stepmother across the street with police standing guard outside the Borden house in a parcel that could be seen! She would much more likely carry it in a concealed fashion under her dress! If she were so foolishly stupid as to carry the hatchet across the street in a parcel, the police could stop her and question her as to what she was carrying in the parcel AND feel the parcel which would reveal to them the configuration of the hard hatchet inside the parcel!! So my point in my previous posted response comment remains totally valid!
You mention two actresses who portrayed Borden yet you don't even mention Elizabeth Montgomery's portrayal which for my money surpassed the other two hands down.
Yes they did, it's at 11:55
Maybe they didn't mention Elizabeth Montgomery ,because that movie was just a little TV movie and she was just a TV actress, but Christina Ricci is an accomplished movie actress .... Maybe ?
@@liztexera2230 They did mention her at 11:55
Hello that was the first movie he mentioned go back to 1155 what it is
@@liztexera2230 Just because it's on the big screen doesn't mean it was better. Also, Montgomery was a talented actress well respected in her profession.
Don't forget the 1975 Elizabeth Montgomery TV Film. Perhaps the Best version on the Lizzie Borden Murders.
Fun fact: Elizabeth Montgomery was a distant relative of Lizzie Borden.
never saw the Christine Ricci version but the mini series in the 1970s with Elizabeth Montgomery was amazing and the best i have ever seen.
Both versions are excellent! Elizabeth is amazing!!! Miss her!!!💔
What about John Morse, Lizzie's uncle, who was visiting the Bordens? He disappeared the morning of the murders. John was also a big, strong butcher who toted some serious butcher tools. The day before the murders, John and Andrew had gotten into a big fight over a business deal wherein John accused Andrew of cheating him. Does anybody ever talk about those little details?
Another point to consider is the fact that Lizzie Borden was found innocent of all charges by a jury of her peers.
The uncle's alibi was also too perfect, as if he memorized it.
@@Galen-864 Do you know where I can read about it? After all these years, people still won't let the woman rest in peace. I would like to give her a fair shake....maybe clear her name.
@@sylviaklages6871 Lizzie has been vilified for over a century now. I apologize, but I don't remember where I heard about the uncle's intricate alibi. I just remember the cops thought it had too much detail to be a normal alibi. Not to mention, when the uncle returned the day of the crime, instead of asking the crowd or police what happened, he just went into the backyard and was seen eating a pear. One of Lizzie's alibis. The whole thing is sure a head scratcher.
@@sylviaklages6871 there is this lawyer who talked about it go check him out. His channel is law and lumber. He and some other friends go through the history and the case itself
@@tiaayana Thank you, Ayana. I will check this guy out.
I never saw Christina's version, I saw Elizabeth Montgomery's version and it was really good.
Elizabeth Montgomery was the better of the 2. I saw both
Both versions are excellent! Elizabeth is amazing!!!❤
Did a mock trial of Lizzie in 8th grade... Was on her defense... Wish information was easier to get 23 years ago lol
What was the verdict?
@@cuongbui9708 if I remember correctly it was guilty lol
Or 123 yrs. ago!!
@@danielman4057 NO, she was found not guilty.
@@saphireblue3563 do you remember the reason as to why they found her to be not guilty.
After reading 4 books on this case, I'm inclined to go with the boyfriend theory. Lizzie said so on what she thought was her deathbed, but then didn't die. Also, a Lot of money was at stake. Her step mother dying first in Not a coincidence.
women were not as motivated by money in those days as they are today, most were not even involved in the finances. it could be a boyfriend of Emma's and that is why they never spoke much and Emma did not have much to say.
Elizabeth Montgomery also did a wonderful portrayal of Lizzie....a TV movie I believe
Yes - produced in 1974 - released in early '75 - Elizabeth Montgomery shed her 'good girl' image while proving she had real range as an actor. And she and Lizzie Borden were actually distant cousins - although Elizabeth was apparently never aware of that - as the genealogy linking the two was confirmed much later.
The best version. IMO.
@@billyz5088 You mean actress,actor is male
@@garyc39 ~~ actually - even though there has long been debate about it - many consider the term 'actor' appropriate regardless of gender - and long before 'gender-neutral' became a thing.
Yes she did.
This video briefly shows the pigeons that were Lizzie's pets. Andrew cut their heads off in a fit of anger against something Lizzie had done. THAT'S why she finally flipped out and killed them both. I also wonder if she wasn't being sexually abused by him. There were some really weird family dynamics going on in that household, besides just the 'Andrew was a miser' ones.
Wow I didn’t know that I don’t blame her then!
None of this is verified, Wikipedia says those are just rumours and might not be true. But I totally agree about the dynamics. When I read about the case and saw the pictures of the family members, it gave me a "I wouldn't like to meet them, let alone live in their house" kind of feeling. I finally saw where the Western fascination with 19th century crimes comes from. (We don't have that in my country, 19th century is a much more "national revival" and "small town comfort and gossip" kind of time period.)
@@dalemmmm You were actually right when you didn't know that, experts aren't sure those stories are genuine.
I agree. Both girls were considered pretty. With their wealth, education decent for the time, and moral character, men should have been beating down the doors to get to marry them. Yet, I think Emma only had one suitor and Lizzie none.
There was definitely something wrong in that house way before the murderers.
Could be simply laws of the time. Andrew was getting old. If he died before Abby, Abby got it all and could kick Emma and Lizzie out.
Andrew repeatedly raped the maid who was Lizzie’s lover.
Some sources insinuate that there was molestation of Lizzie and Emma by their father...this would explain a lot regarding both of their never marrying and isolating personal characteristics.
No doubt every kind of evil imaginable happened in that house !!!
Yes but we can't be sure. It was also common for one daughter to remain unwed to take care of her parents. Some refused to marry as they also had very high standards too.
I wondered about their still being single at that age, when many young ladies were usually married by the time that they were between 18-22, or somewhere near that age. Some people are notorious for living double lives. Not saying that that's the case here, but it admittedly does lead to some speculation.
@@ronaldshank7589 Well Lizzie was a lesbian for one thing. She ultimately began a relationship with actress Nance O'Neil.
@@davem8836 Seriously? I didn't know that she was a Lesbian! I'd never seen anything about that aspect of her life.
Wow!
I heard stories that both sisters were molested by their father, which would explain neither marrying and that was one reason that Lizzie was found not guilty.
People are annoying. I don't know why people can't leave others alone. It's almost as if people have forgotten the golden rule.♥🌈
@@nicholasshade Did the majority even know it or care?
That couldn't have been the reason, as something like that would have been kept very hush-hush. People talked about things like that in villages but not in uptight upper-class society.
Lizzie was found not guilty because the prosecution didn't have any actual evidence. As far as the incest theories - nothing seems to support them, it's always possible but no evidence whatsoever.
most people who are molested can't wait to get away at any cost
Elizabeth Montgomery of Bewitched series also played Borden...it was a stunning performance
Cara Robertson's "The Trial of Lizzie Borden" is a really great book on the subject. 🌟🌟🌟🌟
Thanks. I will look for it.
Another hatchet murder occurred in the town during the trial which greatly influenced the outcome. It was determined that culprit had arrived after the Borden murders however.
A few things I wonder about: Why were there no bruising or trauma to Lizzie's hands? This would have occurred to anyone wielding a weapon with several hard impacts involved.
Also with this type of killing there would have definitely been blood in her hair, yet her hair had not been washed.
And why did Lizzie and Emma stop speaking to each other after the murders? Never spoke to each other ever again. Just some things to ponder. 🤔
Lizzie and Emma didn't stop speaking to each other until much much later. Most believe Emma moved out of their new home after Lizzie became close friends with actress Nance O'NEIL
@@mittykitty8957 yeah it's believed she got pissed off at Lizzie due to all the parties Lizzie was throwing at their house for the sake of Nance
Why there wasn't blood in her hair has an easy answer, she just had to cover it. I wonder if they ever looked at her hands for bruising.
It occurs to me that the COMPLETE absence of blood on Lizzie after the murders happened may actually speak to her guilt instead of her innocence. If you read the Q&As of the Inquest Lizzie claims after she found her father she did not know if he was dead or not. (Yet she immediately ran to the bottom of the stairs and yelled up at Bridgett (Maggie) that someone had come in and killed him. She did not start screaming at her father desperately wanting a response from him. No effort for or hope of his survival is made or even claimed to have been made.) I think most innocent people if they walked in and to their utter surprise saw a loved one beaten and/or stabbed to a bloody mess would rush to their aid and thereby get blood on them and because they are truly innocent would not be concerned about blood getting on them and making them look guilty because their primary concern is helping their injured loved one. However, a guilty murderer would go to the lengths of making sure they are completely blood free as Lizzie was (minus the small speck on her undergarment). As for the bruising on the hand I would say I have been a martial arts instructor for many years and I teach Stick and Knife and I have also done hatchet throwing/fighting. It is MORE than possible to successfully weld a weapon without bruising your hands. Yes, perhaps less likely with an untrained person just going into a frenzy but still possible. Also, while I am not aware of any question or mention of bruising to her hands I'm sure if there was she would have easily made an excuse that could not be disproved. (Remember OJ cut his finger too, made an excuse and got away with it.)
Keep in mind, it’s a different era, in time, women were not as free as we are today, shock can do many things to people , also his head was beaten to pulp, that had to be gruesome and would put anyone in a mental state , they didn’t have ems like we do or were taught cpr
Completely different services provided to communities
I remembered Elizabeth Montgomery playing Lizzie Borden when I was a kid.
Omg. Really? I remember her playing as a teen and she was good.
Me too!
I loved Elizabeth Montgomery as Lizzie. It was unexpected bc all I knew was her as Samantha in Bewitched
Give it a rest......you must be a 13 year old!
I was just thinking they didn’t mention Elizabeth Montgomery, she was incredible in this role!
Enough already...Elizabeth Montgomery, Elizabeth Montgomery. Elizabeth
Montgomery...We're not talking about a TV actress or a movie made for TV
wake up!
Without modern legal procedures and modern forensic techniques we will never know who killed the Bordens. The case against Lizzy was not strong in the first place.
“Close the door, lock and latch it. Here comes Lizzie with a brand new hatchet.” “Lizzie Borden took an axe and gave her father forty whacks. When she saw what she had done, she gave her mother forty-one.” ⛏. I grew up close to Fall River, MA, and those were the rhymes I grew up with about the murders.
I grew up in Georgia and we said the same rhyme.
I live in UK and I remember that rhyme too in the 70s
I have always wondered if Lizzie's Uncle, (who I believe was her "mother's" brother), Lizzie, her sister & the maid were all in on it together, covering for each other and all sharing the inheritance. The Uncle could have easily killed the stepmother & father, cleaned himself up and left. Having the girls cover for him. Just a thought.
and if the rumors were true about the incest. He had reasons to despise Andrew. Maybe Lizzie or Emma told their uncle what was happening.
In the movie starring Elizabeth Montgomery, the uncle was not even shown.
Don't think so. They all wanted the money. Cannot see them colluding.
Even the main actually who ended up going far away to the other side of America, directly after the whole situation occurred
Bridgette (the maid) said on 2 occasions when she thought she was on her deathbed and needed to clear her conscience stated she helped Lizzie clean herself and hid the dress in a container of "menstrual rags" because a male cop wouldn't search in there. Interestingly Bridgette left the house that day and never returned because she was afraid
She was also a life long animal rights activist and, upon her death, left most of her estate to a local animal shelter.
@ozymandias nero nulifidian So you were there?
@ozymandias nero nulifidian Whatever, I stand with Lizzie. If she did it, she was pushed over the edge and did what she felt she had to do.
ASPCA
WWJD ✝
@ozymandias nero nulifidian Whatever. Animals are better than people.
Wednesday's certainly grown up!!
Practice, authentic girl scout cookies with real girl scouts? Lol
Lol i said the same thing haha im officially old 😂😂😂
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Monster didn't tell you that?
Creepy. You couldn’t pay me to spend the night in that hose or go to watch a re-enactment.
It would be interesting.
Elizabeth Montgomery was a distance relative to Lizzie Borden. They found out after Elizabeth passed away. Distance cousins.
No, that was Elsie and Elmer Borden.
Distant cousin.
There’s no denying the resemblance of Elizabeth Montgomery and Lizzie Borden.
I think a distance cousin
@@erichani1 Distant cousin.
Elizabeth Montgomery was actually lizzie's distant cousin..but didn't know it until after the movie was made..she played her own cousin and didn't even know it..crazy..
It is a very interesting case
It is such a shame what she went through if she didn’t commit the murders
She did it.
I myself think a drifter did it. WWJD ✝
Its like the town becams jealous of her wealth once she bought that big house.
Seems like she didn’t do it to me.
Nicholas Shade
If the timeline is correct, the drifter killed Abby around 9:30 in the morning sat around for an hour and a half than killed Andrew, nothing in the house was stolen and what was the motive ? Lizzy had a motive.
Love true stories
ME TOO
We don't know what's true?
She was also portrayed by Elizabeth Montgomery.
The best portrayal of Lizzie Borden was done by Elizabeth Montgomery.
It’s a lot like OJ Simpson in that there was no other scenario that really made sense apart from “(S)he did it,” though Lizzie had sense enough not to write about how she would have gone about performing the murders.
Right??? If I did it...🤣
That's what I say
BOTH WERE THE TRIALS OF THE CENTURY!!
I don't believe that she did it. I suspect the uncle or a business rival of her father.
neither did OJ
I went to elementary school just up the street from the Borden House and grew up with the stories of the famous murder. Always wondered who really did it. Lots of speculation, but I tend to lean toward Lizzie. She had motive and opportunity.
I've always thought it highly unlikely. She went up before a jury all too ready to hang her and ended up being acquitted. Just not enough evidence. The possibility that she may have been involved somehow or suborned others to do it can't be ruled out though.
Yes!!!
I was in the 1st.grade in Fall River.
I don't believe that she was the one who killed them.
Wait..while Lizzie was outside, the maid was upstairs, and only came down when Lizzie called her. Could not the maid have killed both while Lizzie was outside?
The maid didn’t have any reason to kill them.
@@CanadianMonarchist We don't know. Maybe they were not paying her. Maybe he had unfairly given her her notice. Maybe there was a sexual problem. I am not saying any of these things are true, just that we don't know.
@@saphireblue3563 It’s possible but also impossible to prove. I guess that’s the fun of the Lizzie Borden case.
While forensics was limited at the time it was still capable of determining a timeline based on the stomach contents of both victims abby had died somewhere between 1-2 hours before Andrew. As we knew they ate at the same time that morning. Andrew had fully digested his food, Abby's was just moving into the intestine. According to not only Bridget, but John Morse - Abby, Andrew and John ate together that morning. Bridget's outside talking to a neighbor's maid around 9:15, if the maid did it by herself then Lizzie would have been telling the truth that Abby had come downstairs and talked to Lizzie somewhere around 9:30ish (she doesn't know the exact time). Bridget then goes to wash windows, and does not come in for quite a while and Lizzie did generally confirm that.
@@davecm1605 But how could the maid have been upstairs cleaning and not seen Abby's body?
Elizabeth Montgomery also played her in a TV movie in the early seventies.
A good number of commentors, myself included, insist that Grunge revamp this video so that Elizabeth Montgomery is mentioned at the same time as the other actresses who have played Lizzie Borden. It has been pointed out that the 1975 TV movie _The Legend of Lizzie Borden_ and Ms Montgomery are mentioned later on but I assert that fans of the latter should not have to wait.
5:40 Good observation. People often think right to an attorney (Miranda rights) only came to be in the late 1960's. That was the supreme court national mandate. Before then, it was up to the local jurisdiction. So some states were doing it all along.
What about Elizabeth Montgomery? She was alleged to be related to Lizzie Borden?
She was a distant cousin.
50 year's different in age, Elizabeth wasn't a blink in her mom's eyes yet. 😊🙄🙄🙄
Emma, Lizzie & Bridget (Maggie) were all in on it. I will always believe that. They all made out quite well after Emma got control of the estate. Emma had to be out of town. She was the one who was going to inherit the bulk of the estate, because she was the oldest. Had she been there, it would've put a wrench in her claim to the estate and and she would've been a prime suspect. Maggie, who was so poor that she couldn't even send much money home...went to Canada and made out pretty well. She wouldn't have been able to afford a train ticket from Massachusetts to Canada. She wanted to move to New York, but she could never save enough money. But she ended up leaving the country altogether? Yeah, I'm sure she did leave the country. I will always believe no matter who swung the ax, that all three women were in on it and were rewarded handsomely well, with Andrew Borden's money.
Bridget Sullivan moved to Montana where she worked, married, & lived to old age.
interesting imagination
One of Alfred Hitchcock’s weekly shows tells a story of what happens in the Borden house about a year after Lizzie was acquitted. Sir Alfred had an interesting take on the situation, very(!) interesting. He really knew how to tell a story!
That was a great episode. In that version, Emma did it.
What is the title of the episode please?
@@pmdk1953 The Older Sister.
@@nassauguy48 Thank you :D
" Lizzie Borden had an axe 🪓
She gave her Mother 40 whacks
When she saw what she had done
She gave her Father 41 " in Fall River this is considered a good jump rope song 😂😂☠👻🤘
considered a good jump rope song in the western part of Massachusetts where I grew up in as well
Lololol 🤘
Not just falls river. We did it here in NY while jump roping
I grew up w/that jumprope rhyme in Northern NJ.
@@naps4all 😎🛌🪓☠👻
I lived 5 minutes from the house..awesome tour
I remember when I was in middle school decades ago our school did a play about Lizzie Borden.
I still remember the old Lizzie Borden rhyme during it.
Lizzie Borden is widely considered to be the best hacker of her time.
She was the original hacker
Elizabeth Montgomery was excellent as LB.
The movie that Elizabeth Montgomery appeared in was a masterpiece.
Master piece...LOL
There is a short story about the murders indicating that the daughters had been molisted by their father over a number of years. A short story only, but interesting.
...and also an unfounded theory. Dreamed up in the 1990's.
which some people have assumed was based on fact
I think if the story is ever to be known, the key is why these two sisters were never married, which was very unusual in that time. This is the first time in all the writing, movies or video I have seen about this case, that their not being married is even mentioned.
I believe that lizzie had
a door , the only door that directly opened on her father,s bedroom. Perhaps he molested both daughters, thst,s why they never got married. there,s still so much controvercy about who killed them. I suppose lizzy is the prime suspect, however it would be extremely hard for her to erase every trace of blood; unless she had an acomplice. Hetr sister...the maid, or...not very likely-someone else altogether. A fascinating case, that will probably never be sloved,. Or will it?🐦la👀🐦l
With neither the Borden's maid or gardener cleared and no idea who killed their parents, they decided to stick together because they each knew the other was innocent and thought the person or people who killed their parents would kill them too
@@michaelmckinnon1591 I don't think Lizzy was too worried as she slept in the house after the murders even the night after the murders while their bodies were still laid out downstairs. Someone was even spotted going downstairs that night and walking around (someone holding a lantern descending the stairs in the middle of the night spotted by outside press members), it is believed to have been Lizzy. The fact that she was not worried about staying in the house directly after the murders lead me to believe that she felt safe and knew whoever killed them were not going to kill her (especially if she herself committed the murders or knew who did). The murders were also committed in such a way that made those murders personal, not a stranger.
I really do think that if she did kill them, that it was for more than one reason. Intentional poisoning is more the act of a female. I think that she wanted to poison her stepmother and her father but was thwarted. Her father had been generous to Abby's relatives but stingy with them on a day to day basis and with the belief that on his death all might be left to Abby, Liz and her sister saw Abby as a threat to their livelihoods and well being, plus they just did not like her and refused to acknowledge her as a 'mother'.
A 'crime of passion' but it must have been well thought out ahead of time. I think the murder plot moved forward quickly directly after Liz's father killed (murdered in Lizzy's eyes).... her pet pigeons and in her rage she decided that her father and her stepmother would suffer the same fate as her beloved pigeons. She did have to murder Abby first for inheritance reasons.
Lizzy's sister's role is more mysterious as her sister was very religious. Liz was outwardly religious but not so much after time went on after the murders (hosting parties with the decadent art crowd etc..) which led to a falling out between the two sisters when they parted ways and never spoke again.
I don't think the maid was directly involved but knew of the tensions that were bubbling underneath in the household. How much she knew is hard to say but she may not have liked Lizzy's father and stepmother much either as they were miserly and she was working in a very unpleasant atmosphere under their control. I do think she was given a handsome sum to leave the area permanently and to eventually leave the country.
The other theories just don't add up as much to me, especially as I consider the two brutal murders to have been very personal and whoever did it was filled with rage.... resulting in the over kills.
I think Lizzy did it and her sister was probably aware that Lizzy wanted to do it (especially to Abby) well before it took place. Lizzy's sister, being so religious, would not have allowed herself to take part in murders but may have convinced herself that it was okay to keep quiet and not intervene.
She was not afraid of Lizzy after the murders, she lived with her for years until the fall out and the fall out appears to have been because Lizzy's sister was far more puritanical than Lizzy was.
So Lizzy was not afraid of whoever the murderer was or of being murdered herself and Lizzy's sister does not appear to have been afraid of Lizzy.
Considering that their mom died when Lizzy was two and Lizzy's sister took over the role of mom, I do wonder if there is something to the rumors that child molestation by the father might have been involved, especially during the time period after their mother's death and before he married Abby. We will never know and it is hard to speculate as it may not be true and that would be unfair to the father if it is not true. It would help to explain why the sisters never married though, which was very unusual at that time.
Whatever the case may be, Lizzy's father and stepmother did not deserve to be hacked to death.
Lizzy may have been thinking that her pets, her pigeons, did not deserve to be hacked to death. I do think the the pigeons were the main trigger of what happened and when it happened.
It is unfortunate that during that time period and society, women in the sisters position had very few options, if they were living under father's rule in an unhappy situation, other than marriage as an escape.
Mind you, if I remember correctly, their father did give his two daughters some rentals with tenants and they could have tried harder to make a success of that and have possibly earned and gained some independence from that but that did not go well and they ended up being sold. Also, Lizzy was known for stealing from stores, thefts that her father covered up for her.
I do think Lizzy wanted the high life and her father being a scrooge may have led up to their murders. Also, Lizzy could have moved from the area after she was set free after the trial. She could have moved to another part of the country or to another country, but she did not even though she was ostracized.
I think she perhaps enjoyed being whispered about, being the center of gossip, she preferred the negative attention versus living a life of anonymity somewhere else. She strikes me as possibly being narcissistic.
@@Anna-iz1tt If anyone harmed one of my animals,I'd b murderous too!
I don't know why "not getting married was unusual" is mentioned everywhere. It wasn't so extremely unusual that it requires explanation by incest. Jane Austen never married. And people died a lot then. One of the Borden girls might have fallen in love with a guy who died of tuberculosis or cholera. I actually know a woman today who dated a guy who later died of cancer, and she hasn't married in order to honour his memory. If people like that exist today, the more likely it is that they existed in the 19th century.
I always had a strong feeling and I was right ...Elizabeth was related to Lizzie Borden
Just a thought. Today, you sometimes hear of these types of crime where sexual abuse is involved. The father abuses and the mother (stepmother) knows, but looks away. Was that ever considered?
It's definitely been suggested, including by profiler John Douglas when writing about the Borden case in his book "The Cases That Haunt Us", a very interesting read.
They played that scenario in the last bell witch movie. Dad, donald Sutherland, molesting daughter. Creating a poltergeist phenomenon.
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The bedroom doors upstairs were not to a hall way but to other bedrooms. Definitely an odd set up, lack of privacy.
In addition to information given Mr. Borden didn’t just have his wealth in cash assets but also gold bars. Made him more wealthy then normally understood.
Crime of passion or attempted murder for wealth gain. Insider or just a failed attempt to gain wealth via a plan 6 levels deep, who knows. There would have to be some sort of information in depth about who approached the living family member afterwards in their state of shock and grief. Follow the money...
That could very well have been the case, that very same scenario happened to me personally throughout my childhood....I never told my mom so I'm not really sure if she knew or not, but after I got older and went to therapy they encouraged me to confront my father , when I did ,in front of my mom ,she said that didn't happen you're n drugs , said no ,you have it backwards, I used drugs because of the sexual abuse !
the number of blows against the victims was such overkill, suggesting rage over profit - so I've always wondered about abuse
Lizzie had a motive, her father's money. The maid really had no reason to kill Mr. & Mrs. Borden even if they were thoughtless employers.
I don't agree. Sure, Lizzie wanted and needed money but I'd be pretty annoyed if I were a maid working for pennies.
I think they were a lot more than just thoughtless. They didn't even learn her name, and called her by the name of a previous Irish maid they'd had. I don't think she did it, but they were just awful to her.
@@kimberlyplayer She could quit and move on. Killing her employers wouldn't benefit her at all. She'd still need to find another job. Also, her name was Bridget but they insisted on calling her Maggie, which annoyed her.
@@annegoodreau4925 A lot of employers did that at the time, and I don’t think Bridget Sullivan expressed any resentment for the Bordens.
Lizzie had no guarantee of any inheritance. MA law at the time would give all the estate to the oldest heir (Emma) if there was no will. Now Emma did by her own accord split the money, but under law she didn't have to.
Better than most I've heard, and you mentioned the Brown book which suggests Andrew Borden's illegitimate son. I read it and found it very compelling. Taken in the light that Lizzie was covering for him, some of the odd statements she made make more sense.
@Anne Goodreau, Could it be that the reason why she made such contradictory statements to the police be because she was, how to put it? Super high on morphine? From what I have read, Lizzie was given morphine by the family doctor because of her nerves.
@@cindyaraya7317 I know that's the long held belief. But when I read the book by Mr. Brown, he goes over that testimony in the light of his theory that Lizzie knew John Borden had been on the property, had motive and opportunity, and was covering for him. Looking at it that way, there were some "aha" moments about what she said and how she said it. If you can get the book, I think you'll enjoy it. It might not change your mind, although it did mine, but I think you'll see that his alternate theory has some merit.
@@annegoodreau4925 Or just that she was high. Why make it so overly complicated? When you think about it, if she was high on morphine, it makes sense about a lot of her weird contradictory statements.
Because there could be evidence that Lizzie didn't do it. It could clear her name. Just like it is today, mistakes can be made if all evidence isn't taken into consideration. Very, very few people have considered the evidence that John Borden was there, and there is such evidence.
Yes I agree! I read the book as well as three others about the murders, and this convinced me.
Didn't some forensic psychologist investigate this crime a few years back and suggest that incest between father and daughter or daughters, may have been the motive for murder. Obviously Lizzie was acquitted, but the mindset of the day wouldn't think it possible that a father was having sexual relations with his daughter or daughters. I think it's entirely possible that both sisters were involved.
Her sister Emma was hundreds of miles away visiting friends.
It's a plausible theory, but it doesn't explain why the stepmother was killed first. It would have made sense to kill the father and then his wife because she witnessed the murder or because she was an enabler. Had it been Lizzie's own mother who was the enabler, I would understand Lizzie's built-up feeling of betrayal by her and subsequent blind hatred. But Abby was just her stepmother.
Was this filmed in Nova Scotia ? The graveyards look like two here in Halifax. Just curious, now I have to watch this :)
It was. Stephen McHattie you would have recognized I hope playing the father Andrew. He's great across every genre. Sara Botsford from Ontario, etc.
@@charlieross-BRM Thanks, I've seen him in Murdoch Mysteries and Republic of Doyle, but I'd forgotten his name 😊
Though there aren't a lot of them, I've noticed that in photographs of her, Lizzie Borden had strange-looking eyes, a strange expression. I've also seen a photograph of Lizzie's mother and she also had unusual-looking eyes; there was something unsettling about mother and daughter. I wonder what Lizzie's mother was like.
Her eyes must've been very light blue.
🙄 that doesn’t make her a murderer .
@@Ladyboywonder I never said it did. Also I lean toward the theory that Lizzie's sister commited the crimes.
Yeah, and Lizzie's mother's brother, too. To be honest, they all look a bit scary to me in the pictures. They remind me of a guy I knew and suspected of sociopathy. That doesn't automatically make them dangerous, though, as pointed out above.
Lizzie couldn't stand her father, she resented her stepmother, offing them both put her in line for a large inheritance, murder of passion, an 'axe' to grind so to speak.
I am not sure if the stories about Lizzie hating her father and stepmother were true. She had known no other mother. Children often resent a stepmother if the parents are divorced or the mother dies when the child is old enough to remember...But Lizzie was not. And the stories about the father being a pinchpenny are probably not true either, he gave a house to his wife's relatives, and gave Lizzie and Emma a house, sent Lizzie to tour Europe. When he died, he had a ring on his finger that Lizzie had gifted to him. That does not sound like hate to me.
@@cathy1112 Yes. I don't think there is much to the story that there was trouble in the family. I think someone hid upstairs, killed Emma, then when the time was right, came down and killed the father, then left.
@@saphireblue3563 I believe that one of the father's enemies killed them.
@@SymphonyBrahms I agree. That guy who was supposedly gone and had an alibi,,I think he was hiding in the house.
I think it was Lizzy and i also think that using the hatchet was her second option cause from what i have heard is that apparently she had stopped taking meals with her family, funny thing when other family members had been feeling ill and thinking that someone had been trying to poison them, then we know that Lizzy tries to get some poison at a pharmacy but was told she couldnt have it. On the day of the murders either her step mother probably had said something to her which she didnt like or she was fed up of trying it with the poison ,that out came the hatchet, Then when her father arrived she told the maid to go and lay down a little while as she wasnt feeling well (maids room was in the attic and wasnt going to hear anything) and her tight fisted father also got done with the hatchet. Bad girl Lizzy naughty naughty
Elizabeth Montgomery was better at portraying Lizzy than all those "remakes" out there. Elizabeth got into character better because she actually did the research of Lizzy and her life and CA & DA she suffered by the hands of her father not long after his first wife died when Lizzy was a toddler.
After watching this and reading some of the comments I about jumped out of my skin when the wind blew outside, jerking my bathroom door shut. I didn't even realize how creeped out I was until then. How anyone could sleep in the bedroom where Abby was murdered is beyond me. I wouldn't be caught dead doing it!
That these girls were severely abused is a given. I wouldn't want to be on a jury to convict either of them. I suspect neither sister was ever convicted because nobody was willing to judge them. They were punished all their lives, adding more would be redundant.
It's a given that both girls were severly abused? Are we talking about the same case?
@@awakingone I wish I was as abused. 5K for a house given to me. A generous weekly allowance. A 19 week tour of Europe. A 2500 sq. foot house. Never working a day in my life. A live in maid for a household with three adult women with no jobs. A Dad that frequently referred to his daughters as "my girls". Mr. Borden was even still wearing the gold ring on his finger when he was murdered, a gift from Lizzie.
These girls were not severely abused! When he died, the father was wearing a ring that Lizzie gave him. He wasn't really stingy either. He had paid for Lizzie to tour Europe, and gave Lizzie and Emma a house. Lizzie loved her dad. He was not mean to them. All the stories that he was mean to them or stingy with them are just coming from authors trying to lend credibility to the idea that Lizzie did it.
@@johndoe-wv3nu Just one maid for a biggish house and a four-member family wasn't that much. That's what my grandmother had as a kid, and her father was just a clerk with a small flat in the 1930's with labour-saving appliances, not a millionaire with a biggish house in the 1890's. Either the maid was overworked, or the ladies did some chores. You're forgetting how much work everything took then. Doing the laundry by hand, the ashes in the fireplaces, carpets beaten by hand...
@@martavdz4972 it's documented that the other 3 woman did chores. As did Andrew. Keep in mind our station in life is measured by those around us. See: Hetty Green and Newpor, RIt mansions (Vanderbilt's etc.).
I liked Elizabeth Montgomery's portrayal
Elizabeth Montgomery is related to Lizzie Borden they are cousins in real life. I have seen Christina Ricci's and Elizabeth Montgomery's verison both are good. Lizzie Borden took her secrets to the grave. The Lizzie Borden home is Haunted I went there in 2019 and it was apart of my birthday present.
@@Choices2aa I bet that was an interesting trip!
I went to high school in New Bedford across the street from the court where she was tried.
Elizabeth Montgomery portrayed her first, and best.
House was just sold and will remain as a B&B
I want to go and stay there. WWJD ✝
do they still do ghost tours there?
@@pixivity2 I dontvknow. I know you can still go to the B & B (Bed and Breakfast). I want to go so bad. It sounds like so much fun. I'd have to go walking around the town. WWJD ✝
Yikes! No thanks
" A seizure caused by menstruation"?! Please! 🙄
lmao
Oh man. Love it! So that was really what they thought back then..Ha
The worst case of PMS ever!!! lmao
Yeah! I live with epilepsy. I’m yet to hack people to death with a big ole 🪓 axe. lol.
Sometimes, you had to use the men's low education and superstitions of women's functions against them. XD
I'll bet you could still pull it off in a 3rd world country, or in the deep American South someplace.
I've always been fascinated with Lizzie Borden ever since I was a young girl. I am from New England myself and it was I big thing to learn about. I grew up in both northern and southern N.H. Massachusetts was only a state away from us. I recall the jump rope song about her as I was constantly jumping when not in school.
Andrew Borden had a meeting that morning, that his wife was to meet him there to sign some papers. This could have been Lizzie's trigger, since her grandfather's house had already been given to his wife's indigent sister. Possible motive?
It was thought that the wife/stepmom was killed first because when she died everything went to the husband/dad. Then he died everything went to daughters. If dad died first everything went to wife and wifes family. If she died second the wife's family got everything....Food for thought?
@@cv6928 I wonder how well that was understood back then by most. If so, sure makes the timeline more calculated
Loved Elizabeth Montgomery in this story.
Christina Ricci did a really good job in this. I always rooted for Lizzie because she had a miserly father and an awful stepmonster who was keeping her from her rightful inheritance. they even served leftover lamb stew that had not been refrigerated for breakfast that morning the old man was so cheap, everybody barfed and got sick. She was lucky to be found not guilty but she never did ever marry and was considered a local pariah!! Poor Lizzie?!?
Being miserly deserves a death sentence?
@@awakingone when you keep your daughters from moving forward in life I'm sure it was very frustrating for Lizzie.
oh yes and Andrew sent Lizzy to Europe for a holiday, he had his quirks but it wasn't all miserly
I read a book, dont remember author or title, that speculated that Lizzie and the maid were found together by Abbey in an intimate situation and Lizzie flipped out about Abbey telling the father and the scandel that would follow.
Lizzie Borden was also portrayed by Elizabeth Montgomery as well, I believe.
I’ve been to Lizzie Borden’s house and couldn’t get into Christina’s movie! The house was all wrong! It was a creepy place!
I’ve been to her house as well. I couldn’t get into the movie either.
Don't forget Elizabeth Montgomery, who did it best.
Doing my family tree it turns out Lizzie (the bordens) are part of my family. Since then I have done a lot of research and put a lot of thought into this, and No I do not believe she actually killed her father and stepmother. On the other hand if she did , I believe it was because her father sexually abused her and her sister which is why they were never married and both a bit off.
I also thought the possibility of abuse, although it doesn't make sense for the killing of her stepmom, unless she thought of inheritance then
@@puddlespickles8810 Or because her stop mom let it happen and didn't stop it.
So if you look at the time line of Andrew's death, it shows Lizzie probably didn't do it unless Bridget was involved. Bridget said when she got upstairs and lied down on her bed (she does not undress) she heard the town hall clock chime 11 so we have our first timestamp. Shortly there after she hears Lizzie screaming for her. She gets up and goes down to the kitchen where Lizzie tells her something happens to father and sends her to get Dr. Bowen. Bridget runs diagonally across the street to the Bowen house (this house is no longer there, today there is a court house there, actually where aaron hernandez was tried but this would have been around 60~ yards from the kitchen entry to his door). She knocks on the door, his wife answers. Bridget explains there is an emergency at the borden house, the wife indicates he's out on a house call but she will send him over when he returns. She goes back to the side kitchen door, Lizzie is standing there. She tells Lizzie borden isn't there. Lizzie asks then if she knows where Alice Russell lives. She says she does, and begins the run towards Alice Russell's house. A neighbor, named Adelaide Churhill is returning from the market. She sees Bridget run by her house (she has to be going to Russell's at this point because she's on the borden house side of the street). She thinks its strange but doesn't stop Bridget. Churhill goes to put her groceries away in her kitchen. She looks at the window and sees Lizzie standing in obvious distress, she yells out the window to ask lizzie what is the matter. Lizzie says, Do come over something terrible has happened. She exits her house and walks around the fence. She meets lizzie by the side entrance and Lizzie now tells her more details of what has taken place. At the same time, a man is walking by and overhears the conversation. He checks the house number and then goes to a store (a little less than a half mile away) and calls the police. That call is logged at 11:15 by the police station clock which is synched with the town hall clock. So all of these events took place in 15 minutes. If you experiment on how long it would take all these back and forth that take place and then go to the store the make call, the fastest its going to happen is 4 minutes. In other words Lizzie had 11 minutes, to kill andrew, completely clean up herself, dispose of the murder weapon, dry off, redo her hair, dispose of the bloody clothes, she had to do all of this without leaving blood trails throughout the house. No way she did it. There wasn't even modern plumbing in that house.
@@davecm1605 Thanks for the details! I read that she might have killed him while dressed in his own cloak and it's possible no blood got on her hair - that would dispose of some of the problems you mention. But I agree, there are still too many actions left and too little time.
@@greyeaglem If that was the case, it would make sense to me that she killed her father and then her stepmother. Not butcher the stepmother probably in a fit of rage, hurt and frustration, then quietly wait for 1,5 hour, then butcher the father.
So we'll never know the real story. I am originally from Massachusetts and even though I know her name and that a murder took place I didn't know she was acquitted. I guess this is the OLDEST cold case on record. Only in Massachusetts!
I am just now finding out she was acquitted as well.
This is hardly the oldest cold case, not in the state and certainly not in the US in general 😆🤦🏽♀️
Maybe the oldest in American history. But jack the ripper has never been solvedn
@@kevinpiacente3456 true
Definitely not the oldest cold case. You do realize there were civilizations with some kinds of police and judges and records thousands of years before 1892?
Elizabeth Montgomery "Bewitched" played Her First back in the 70's.
Yo that was such a good video
I agree. It's a pretty cool upload. 😎 WWJD ✝
She did it. 90 minutes is enough time to clean up and hide evidence for back then.
She didn't do it. There is absolutely no proof that she did. The court case was so flimsy that it collapsed.
The Maid looks suspiciously like K Stew....so....Vampires.
When I visited the Borden house - the only creepy vibe I got was from the maid's room.
funny how on top of each other they all were, like Emma had to go thru Lizzie's room to get to her own, or the maid had to go through Andew's room to get to her attic bedroom. That'd drive me mad. Did they rent the maid's attic room out as well for B&B?
@@awakingone I don't know BUT I do know you can go there and rent a room for the night.
It was a conspiracy. Morse was Sarah Bordon's ( the mother of Lizzie and Emma ) brother who had something to gain in the deaths. Just because Emma was stated to be in Fair Haven doesn't mean she was actually there. What a great alibi. Morse had his alibi by visiting family that morning and returning on a street car with several Priests. He did return to the home wandered around the people to the Pear tree before being allowed in. He was merely a drop in unexpected diversion so that Emma who was hiding in one of the several locked rooms could wait for Lizzie to need her to clean up the blood on her and redress her for both murders. Morse would have been paid a handsome amount of money to transport Emma there from Fair Haven before daylight.
He must have asssisted to get her to a carriage to arrive later in the day
Lizzie did the murders and Emma the clean up.
Laugh all you want !
Just a theory since I always found it weird that Morse just showed up. Remember if you find the right snake, you can always buy an airtight alibi !
I've always thought Uncle John Morse was involved, and I don't understand why he isn't talked about more as a suspect. It's suspicious af the murders occurred the morning after he arrived. His tense conversation or argument with Andrew the night of his arrival (the details of which have been lost to history). Morse's too-perfect alibi, memorized down to the streetcar numbers, seems overdone, too perfect, and pre-planned.
And then there's his very odd behavior after supposedly running errands and returning to the Borden's to find a huge crowd gathered in the street and the property overrun with police because his hosts has been hacked to death. Did Morse rush in, shocked, to get details and comfort his niece? Nope. He went to the backyard and just wandered around chillin, eating pears. WHAT?!
unsupported speculation, remember no bathtubs in the house, any blood on someone would have been noticed and it was a hot day a fire to burn bloody clothing would also have been noticed. Uncle John had left in the morning to visit his niece across town he left his nieces house after the supposed time that Andrew was murdered and returned to the house after the police were there, he came in the back gate that is why he was not aware of what was going on inside.
That Lizzie, always such a cut up:) !
That is a slap in the face to bury the murderer next to her parents and despite what the jury says Lizzie is guilty as sin
She wasn’t found guilty she was found innocent and let go of. She didn’t have any evidence doing it! She was outside when it happened she says
The only thing that sucks about this video is that it isn’t longer.
Elizabeth Montgomery did a great job as lizzy also
She should have moved away to another city, rather than stay in Fall River. She would have fared better. But, maybe she wanted to be buried with her father.
I would have stayed there. I would've ate better than she did. And I would've exercised more than she probably did. I would have jogged around the block, like everyday. WWJD ✝
She is buried next to her father. I believe that she loved him and didn't kill him.
@@SymphonyBrahms I believe she loved him but DID kill him. She was about to be disinherited by her father and was unmarried; plus, she wanted more freedom to spend and do as she wished than he allowed her. If she hadn't killed him and been acquitted, she would have been poor after his death, and probably homeless. That was unacceptable to Lizzie.
I’m surprised that you didn’t even mention Elizabeth Montgomery’s portrayal of Lizzie Borden! She gave a very chilling performance. And yes, I believe Lizzie Borden committed the murders.
I can't help but wonder why or how they cleared the housekeeper.
Hmmmmmmm.... too bad forensics wasn't what it was today
There’s quite a few books with that answer.
What would the housekeeper gain from killing her boss other than unemployment?
She was interviewed first and told the very specific detail that the door was locked and she struggled to open it for Andrew and as she did so she heard Lizzie laugh from upstairs. in Lizzie's first interview she said she was in the kitchen reading a magazine when her dad came home. At that point Abby was already dead upstairs. also, the maid was outside cleaning the windows at the time Abby was killed. interestingly, the maid was pretty freaked out and spent the following night at another house.
@@kylez8010 oh wow that is very interesting. Thanks for the info! :)