Sad how some women are in competition with their daughters. I don't understand it isn't it every mother's dream for their child to do better than them? Nobody is perfect and I find it so strange how some parents drag their kids down rather than let them fly in life.
So much focus and energy on things that are not important and no importance placed on the important things in life : relationships, kindness, generosity, and development of intellect.
If anyone is interested, there's a television series (that I believe has now ended) on HBO called "The Gilded Age" and it shows how nasty and cutthroat many of these prominent families and their society could be. Carolyn Aster is a character on the show, as are a few others. The drama series just gives you an idea of what that society was like, and it's very interesting to watch.
The main reason New York society wanted to attend Alva's ball is because the guest of honor was a high-ranking European royal. Americans were desperate to mingle with an English Duke or German prince.
Because the American elites WANTED that same level of control and type of class system that was still in Europe, implemented here in the USA, too. Early American elite considered themselves American royalty to a large degree, and always took steps to differentiate themselves from regular Americans. They still do, actually.
Among others, Winston Churchill was the son of an American woman from a wealthy family and a British nobleman. One might argue that this "dynamic American blood" in these 19th century marriages invigorated the British upper class, delaying its gradual decline from the two centuries of ruling the oceans and the colonies around the world.
My grandmother was like Alva. At the time and for 60 years I resented it, and I was very angry. When I hit 60, I realized that my grandmother prepared me for life. Her ways served me very well during my life….! Hindsight is very interesting.
So many mother's directing their daughter's lives. Too bad they had a miserable life, they want to ruin their daughter's too! Or live through their daughter's lives?
Throughout history families have married off their male and female children for family advantage, whether it was for money or power. Still happens today her and abroad.
It's a story about ambition and power. The fact that Alva managed this at a time when many women were basically slaves in their marriages makes it more impressive. If Alva had the benefit of a makeover in today's world she could be quite fetching. Would that have altered her path? We will never know.
Would like to hear him say Pascagoula or Biloxi? I thought Biloxi has the best sandy beaches white,soft sandy beaches! Truly beautiful and St. George's Island was second and they have really nice bars!
Timothy Olyphant must come from this branch of the Vanderbilts. Although he is a fairly good-looking man, which no doubt has assisted his acting career, his features resemble that of Alva.
@Joanie-cu7wr I'm reading the thread and your reply and lack an understanding of what you're talking about. Obviously, you're not a regular CNN viewer because most people know Anderson Cooper, not Cooper Anderson. Gloria Vanderbilt had four sons: Leopold Stokowski, Christopher Stowkowski, Carter Vanderbilt Cooper, and Anderson Hays Cooper (a very famous person on his own).
@@claydobbins9342 oh ExCUSEE Me.. I would have sworn that I said Anderson Cooper. No I Don't watch CNN or fox . I will not make a comment again unless I have you check for errors.
I read her daughter's autobiography. It was clear that Alva was raising her daughter to marry her off to the highest status bidder--which turned out to be the Duke of Marlborough. He married her for her money and the marriage was a disaster.
The times that Alva was raised, owning slaves, instilled heartlessness towards humankind. The superior attitude was already there. The nastiness continued because noone put her in check. Being a narcissist, getting older doesn't end well for them. Their shenanigans catch up to them in the end.
So what relationship is Gloria Vanderbilt to her ?,because that name Gloria Vanderbilt was on some of the best clothes. The Gloria Vanderbilt jeans 👖 was the best ,it use to fit just perfect.
Interestingly her find a grave names her as Alva Erskine Stirling Smith Belmont Born Alva Erskine Smith; dob ♑︎[materializtic mountain climbing Capricorn] January 17, 1853, died at the age of 80 January 26, 1933 in idealist ♒Aquarius. Alva Erskine Belmont also known as Alva Vanderbilt.. "Murray Forbes Smith, a commission merchant,[clarification needed] and Phoebe Ann Desha. Smith was the son of George Smith and Delia Forbes of Dumfries, Virginia." Hmm, related to Forbes. John Kerry is also a Forbes and Bill Gates is related to that family, I believe the name is also known as Fobes, the insanley wealthy Are also know to and tend to change names as well as arrange their children's marriages. Alva at 0:51, even as a 17 yr old if that is in fact her at that age, wasn't attractive, truth be told her boyish super short hair style didn't do her face shape any favours if it were below her chin, it would played down her square chin and jaw, and instead of those silly bangs longer would of placed focus on her eyes, a smile wouldn't of hurt her looks any either, she has an air of sterness & distance. I'm going to presume, [could be wrong] given the era & being wealthy living in Mobile, Alabama, that her family were slave holders. I read they purportedly left the US and return after the The American Civil War April 12, 1861 - May 26, 1865, the real history behind that war, like all wars, is victor's narrative.
AAACK!!!! This video is full of misinformation and opinions based on 21st Century mores. Please, if you find this at all interesting, do read up on what really happened, why it happened, the social and political trends of the times. IMHO, Alva wasn't "ugly." Imagine her smiling and speaking with enthusiasm, expressing her intellect, as people saw her then. In the days when make-up was worn only by women of ill-repute, people looked like themselves. Camera lighting and photoshop didn't exist. What you see in the images is reality. However, she did herself no favours with her always-too-short bangs/fringe. 😬 For example, women had few rights and couldn't even vote in the US until 1919 and England until 1928!!! Women, especially those in wealthier classes, were married off for status and transfer of wealth. Married women in England could not legally own property in their own name until 1882; they could not divorce their husbands using the same reasons as men until 1937. For example, men often openly maintained mistresses. Lord Randolph Churchill - Winston's father - famously had syphilis. In the 1880s in England, women could only divorce a man for adultery if it was accompanied by other matrimonial offenses, such as physical cruelty, incest, or bestiality. Men could divorce their wives for a single instance of adultery. Men were usually granted custody of the children as women were either not entitled to their own money or had none. So - loveless marriages weren't uncommon. During the Edwardian period, many previously hidden and not spoken about situations started to change. Even when laws changed, one thing this video has correctly stated that is that "society" continued to operate under the old systems. Alva Vanderbilt's hitting her daughter was common discipline in many homes even in the 1970s. Women wore corsets and rods to improve their posture well into the mid-20th century. 🤷♀ To me, this video sounds as if it's been assembled by a 30 Something who needs to do some reading or take a social history class. If you find this topic at all interesting, do read up on what actually was happening. There is a nice bibliography on this page that includes the fascinating stories of material marriages and social customs during The Gilded Age.www.edwardianpromenade.com/women/the-american-heiress/
Excuse me, it's pronounced as" Mo-Bill " the " e" is silent. Mobile Alabama has a rich history. It's home of Madi Gras. People think New Orleans, Louisiana is the birth place of Madi Gras. It's downtown has a historic park that bears the name of one of it's founders. Jean-Baptiste Le Moyne, Sieur de Beinville. Im sure that Alva Vanderbilt rub elbows with these French founders or their family when she became a very wealthy person. Footnote: Beinville Square is large and at one point had these huge live oak trees, roth iron fences, statues and benches. Keep in mind that the down town area is ine street over from the docks in the Gulf of Mexico. For those who have time and interest do a research about it. You can go here on TH-cam to watch videos of it people who have drove through this area.
Excuse me. As the ancient daughter of an early 20th century union ironworker, I have never heard of "roth" iron. As I am well versed in wrought iron ephemera I am wondering if this is a colloquialism with which I am simply unfamiliar due to location. Please advise if this is the case. Thank you.
It is Mardi Gras (French) Mardi = Tuesday + gras = fat --> Fat Tuesday, the last day before Ash Wednesday when Lent (fasting period) begins. And: the name is spelled Bienville
This is a LOT of verbiage, meaning extra words are used to say the same thing. Mispronouncing names, locations, and even common words shows viewers the narrator has no clue of what they're saying. The title is click baiting, as a main topic is never expressed. The research, writing, and delivery were lazy, at best. Do better, "Factinate".
Why don’t narrators learn to pronounce words correctly before doing a video? Mobile, Alabama is NOT pronounced “MobIle,” with a a long I. The correct pronunciation is “Mo-beal,” like a long E.
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Imagine hating someone just cuz they actually earned their wealth instead of just inheriting it
Love that you addressed Alva's lack of looks bc it makes her cunning behavior more interesting
She could probably suck the chrome off a reciever hitch through a garden hose!😮😅😅❤
Alice Roosevelt Longworth remembered seeing Consuelo’s wedding and wrote she was the saddest bride she had ever seen.
I've seen portraits of Consuelo at Blenheim Palace with her husband and children and she looks so sad I actually wept for her.
Classic narcissistic mother! they’d rather harm you than let you have your own life
@@dancingnature okay now I get it…..I never cared for her either.
Yes, very much so.
Later in life she & daughter reunited . Both women pushed for women and workers rights !
Sad how some women are in competition with their daughters. I don't understand it isn't it every mother's dream for their child to do better than them? Nobody is perfect and I find it so strange how some parents drag their kids down rather than let them fly in life.
Or sister.
So much focus and energy on things that are not important and no importance placed on the important things in life : relationships, kindness, generosity, and development of intellect.
If anyone is interested, there's a television series (that I believe has now ended) on HBO called "The Gilded Age" and it shows how nasty and cutthroat many of these prominent families and their society could be. Carolyn Aster is a character on the show, as are a few others. The drama series just gives you an idea of what that society was like, and it's very interesting to watch.
The main reason New York society wanted to attend Alva's ball is because the guest of honor was a high-ranking European royal. Americans were desperate to mingle with an English Duke or German prince.
Thank you. I was wondering and somehow missed that.
It shows you how savvy she was in self marketing or the get around the establishment. She was like fine , I’ll show you .
Because the American elites WANTED that same level of control and type of class system that was still in Europe, implemented here in the USA, too. Early American elite considered themselves American royalty to a large degree, and always took steps to differentiate themselves from regular Americans. They still do, actually.
Among others, Winston Churchill was the son of an American woman from a wealthy family and a British nobleman.
One might argue that this "dynamic American blood" in these 19th century marriages invigorated the British upper class, delaying its gradual decline from the two centuries of ruling the oceans and the colonies around the world.
My grandmother was like Alva.
At the time and for 60 years I resented it, and I was very angry.
When I hit 60, I realized that my grandmother prepared me for life.
Her ways served me very well during my life….!
Hindsight is very interesting.
Alva was not ugly, but she was plain.
Eh, she was homely
Beauty is subjective: She beyond homely.
She was EVIL
I beg to differ. She looks like a mean man
What a tragic mess!
So many mother's directing their daughter's lives.
Too bad they had a miserable life, they want to ruin their daughter's too!
Or live through their daughter's lives?
Throughout history families have married off their male and female children for family advantage, whether it was for money or power. Still happens today her and abroad.
Mrs Caroline Astor was also a member of the "unfortunate looking" club
It’s pronounced mobeel, Alabama
Thank you. I was going to point that out if nobody else beat me to it.
Thanks for the excellent vlog!
It's a story about ambition and power. The fact that Alva managed this at a time when many women were basically slaves in their marriages makes it more impressive. If Alva had the benefit of a makeover in today's world she could be quite fetching. Would that have altered her path? We will never know.
There is nothing admirable about this woman or her actions. Unless you a feminist, that is.
She looked like Ena Sharples!
You're showing your age, dear!
A classic battleaxe!!
😂😂😂
Mobile Alabama, pronounced Mobeel
What a bunch of superficial standards
Read Anderson Cooper's book. It covers the gilded age and all of this and is so interesting and well written. I enjoyed it from cover to cover.
Lol b/c I haven't had enough of him on CNN.
@@RosyOutlook2 he's a vanderbilt and a slave owner
Facts mixed with gossip and untruths. Try the book instead. Alva was rejected for decades and unloved.
So whats the name of this book that your suggesting?
Alva looked very masculine.
She certainly did. There is no life in her eyes.
I thought so myself,her face showed something deep within her soul .
Mo- bile Alabama??! Really?
I've lived in Al 65 years and it's the first I have heard of it
Yeah, I can’t watch these videos without mispronunciation of basic names.
Would like to hear him say Pascagoula or Biloxi? I thought Biloxi has the best sandy beaches white,soft sandy beaches! Truly beautiful and St. George's Island was second and they have really nice bars!
@@lindadeal3344 - Bye-loki for (Biloxi) 😂😂😂
@@nadiaddis1145How can you get bye loki ,biloxi is pretty simple .
Stop ai and get someone who can read and pronounce words properly
Very interesting documentary!
Marlborough: Marl-BURRA
Blenheim: Blen-em
😊
Ive been to the Biltmore a few times....Money cant buy happiness
But it’s ahead of number two!
Really interesting.
Plz use human readers. The grammar is killing me and I can’t watch anymore
Sounds human to me
Also they mispronounce names.
She shafed under their disapproval 😅
Most AI narrations I find very boring with the grammatical errors and unbearable monotone. Seldom stay with them.
I agree! Pitiful.
She seems to have been a sadist
Vanderbilts made their money in blood.
The pronunciation of Mobile Alabama is Mo-beel, not Mo-bīle.
Interesting Alva was from the South.
If Envy Was Contagious, How Many Pockered Face People Would Be Around?
She's not ugly
Not on the outside, anyway😊
Uhhhhh.....
She's not attractive....at all.
She probably was for the time period.
Yeah, she looked fine for the times. I couldn't imagine the reader mentioning a man multiple times through a story as homely or dowdy.
But not pretty
Alva was a sociopath.
A real DEMOCRAT!
Timothy Olyphant must come from this branch of the Vanderbilts. Although he is a fairly good-looking man, which no doubt has assisted his acting career, his features resemble that of Alva.
Yes Timothy Oliphant is a extremely good looking Man. And kind and funny.
Also so Gloria Vanderbilt is Cooper Anderson's Mother
@@Joanie-cu7wr Anderson Cooper. Gloria Vanderbilt is not Timothy Olyphant's mother.
@@claydobbins9342 that's what I said.
@Joanie-cu7wr I'm reading the thread and your reply and lack an understanding of what you're talking about.
Obviously, you're not a regular CNN viewer because most people know Anderson Cooper, not Cooper Anderson.
Gloria Vanderbilt had four sons: Leopold Stokowski, Christopher Stowkowski, Carter Vanderbilt Cooper, and Anderson Hays Cooper (a very famous person on his own).
@@claydobbins9342 oh ExCUSEE Me.. I would have sworn that I said Anderson Cooper. No I Don't watch CNN or fox . I will not make a comment again unless I have you check for errors.
Ward McAllister
“It’s pronounced “Mo Beel” not like a phone!!!!
thank you very interesting love
At 19:15 : Is that a man with a moustache and beard standing next to Alva in the white dress??!! Is it just the light?
I'm glad that I read the comments before watching the video to see any juicy info. Thank you and now I'm going to watch the video.
😮after enlargement-yup! I miss Joan Rivers; she'da known EXACTLY what to say...or not.RIPJoan🕊
I read her daughter's autobiography. It was clear that Alva was raising her daughter to marry her off to the highest status bidder--which turned out to be the Duke of Marlborough. He married her for her money and the marriage was a disaster.
No, just a very unattractive woman.
I don’t think she was homely
The times that Alva was raised, owning slaves, instilled heartlessness towards humankind. The superior attitude was already there. The nastiness continued because noone put her in check. Being a narcissist, getting older doesn't end well for them. Their shenanigans catch up to them in the end.
Pity the narrative voice seems computerised.
what horrible snobs!
So what relationship is Gloria Vanderbilt to her ?,because that name Gloria Vanderbilt was on some of the best clothes. The Gloria Vanderbilt jeans 👖 was the best ,it use to fit just perfect.
Alva married a Vanderbilt no blood relationship.
Anderson Cooper is Gloria's son, great grandson of Alva, slave owner like all democrats
I have read all the comments and I still do not know what the video is about.
Neither do they.
See the utube on Consuelo Vanderbilt.
😂😂😂
I wonder if Alva is the inspiration for Rudyard Kipling
??
@@JGLy22086 "the female of the species" poem by Rudyard Kipling
Pronounced Duke of Malbroug ( that’s it )🇬🇧
Malbruh
Great, energetic narrator - and great biographer.
Interestingly her find a grave names her as Alva Erskine Stirling Smith Belmont
Born Alva Erskine Smith; dob ♑︎[materializtic mountain climbing Capricorn] January 17, 1853, died at the age of 80 January 26, 1933
in idealist ♒Aquarius. Alva Erskine Belmont also known as Alva Vanderbilt..
"Murray Forbes Smith, a commission merchant,[clarification needed] and Phoebe Ann Desha. Smith was the son of George Smith and Delia Forbes of Dumfries, Virginia."
Hmm, related to Forbes. John Kerry is also a Forbes and Bill Gates is related to that family, I believe the name is also known as Fobes, the insanley wealthy
Are also know to and tend to change names as well as arrange their children's marriages.
Alva at 0:51, even as a 17 yr old if that is in fact her at that age, wasn't attractive, truth be told her boyish super short hair style didn't do her face shape any
favours if it were below her chin, it would played down her square chin and jaw, and instead of those silly bangs longer would of placed focus on her eyes, a smile wouldn't of hurt her looks any either, she has an air of sterness & distance.
I'm going to presume, [could be wrong] given the era & being wealthy living in Mobile, Alabama, that her family were slave holders. I read they purportedly left the US and return after the The American Civil War April 12, 1861 - May 26, 1865, the real history behind that war, like all wars, is victor's narrative.
AAACK!!!! This video is full of misinformation and opinions based on 21st Century mores. Please, if you find this at all interesting, do read up on what really happened, why it happened, the social and political trends of the times.
IMHO, Alva wasn't "ugly." Imagine her smiling and speaking with enthusiasm, expressing her intellect, as people saw her then. In the days when make-up was worn only by women of ill-repute, people looked like themselves. Camera lighting and photoshop didn't exist. What you see in the images is reality. However, she did herself no favours with her always-too-short bangs/fringe. 😬
For example, women had few rights and couldn't even vote in the US until 1919 and England until 1928!!! Women, especially those in wealthier classes, were married off for status and transfer of wealth. Married women in England could not legally own property in their own name until 1882; they could not divorce their husbands using the same reasons as men until 1937. For example, men often openly maintained mistresses. Lord Randolph Churchill - Winston's father - famously had syphilis. In the 1880s in England, women could only divorce a man for adultery if it was accompanied by other matrimonial offenses, such as physical cruelty, incest, or bestiality. Men could divorce their wives for a single instance of adultery. Men were usually granted custody of the children as women were either not entitled to their own money or had none. So - loveless marriages weren't uncommon. During the Edwardian period, many previously hidden and not spoken about situations started to change.
Even when laws changed, one thing this video has correctly stated that is that "society" continued to operate under the old systems. Alva Vanderbilt's hitting her daughter was common discipline in many homes even in the 1970s. Women wore corsets and rods to improve their posture well into the mid-20th century. 🤷♀
To me, this video sounds as if it's been assembled by a 30 Something who needs to do some reading or take a social history class. If you find this topic at all interesting, do read up on what actually was happening. There is a nice bibliography on this page that includes the fascinating stories of material marriages and social customs during The Gilded Age.www.edwardianpromenade.com/women/the-american-heiress/
Thank you!
Dang ,they were hard on the eyes back then😮😢
Yet educated, intelligent and tattoo free!!
Much better dressed than today's women, tho!
She was a handsome girl!
They may it sound like her family had slaves- no, the blacks who worked for her family were free!
Yes she was
She looked mixed
You lost me at the mispronunciation of Mobile, Alabama.
Excuse me, it's pronounced as" Mo-Bill " the " e" is silent. Mobile Alabama has a rich history. It's home of Madi Gras. People think New Orleans, Louisiana is the birth place of Madi Gras. It's downtown has a historic park that bears the name of one of it's founders. Jean-Baptiste Le Moyne, Sieur de Beinville.
Im sure that Alva Vanderbilt rub elbows with these French founders or their family when she became a very wealthy person.
Footnote: Beinville Square is large and at one point had these huge live oak trees, roth iron fences, statues and benches. Keep in mind that the down town area is ine street over from the docks in the Gulf of Mexico. For those who have time and interest do a research about it. You can go here on TH-cam to watch videos of it people who have drove through this area.
Mobile has always been pronounced "Mo-beel" by the Americans I have encountered.
I was raised near there. It is DEFINITELY MoBeel!
Excuse me. As the ancient daughter of an early 20th century union ironworker, I have never heard of "roth" iron. As I am well versed in wrought iron ephemera I am wondering if this is a colloquialism with which I am simply unfamiliar due to location. Please advise if this is the case. Thank you.
@@katherinethegreat They probably meant wrought iron and just misspelled wrought; just a guess on my part though.
It is Mardi Gras (French) Mardi = Tuesday + gras = fat --> Fat Tuesday, the last day before Ash Wednesday when Lent (fasting period) begins. And: the name is spelled Bienville
She fell out of the ugly tree, and hit every branch on the way down.😖
"Mo-bile" Alabama.
I hate AI readers
It is pronounced as Mobeal
Mo-beel
Mo-BILL
Not sure this is 100% true. Citations?
I think the hair styles Alva favored were horrible-and maybe those hats and sloppy dresses too
Screw all the Vanderbilts...including Anderson Vanderbilt Cooper!
Why?
I mean, specifically Anderson.
Yes, why?!
???
Kinda sounds like a you problem.
This is a LOT of verbiage, meaning extra words are used to say the same thing. Mispronouncing names, locations, and even common words shows viewers the narrator has no clue of what they're saying. The title is click baiting, as a main topic is never expressed. The research, writing, and delivery were lazy, at best. Do better, "Factinate".
Mo beel Alabama
Why don’t narrators learn to pronounce words correctly before doing a video? Mobile, Alabama is NOT pronounced “MobIle,” with a a long I. The correct pronunciation is “Mo-beal,” like a long E.
Probably computer-generated voice.
Petty.
This one sounds like he might be real and f I es not really know reading very well.
PROMISES PROMISES. load of nothings
She looks masculine
Mmmm, sad some r not models
Oh, for a, good cosmetic surgeon😊
Or plastic surgery
I'm not even gonna watch this video cause I'm so sick of Computer-generated voices that cannot pronounce Mobile, Alabama.
It’s not Ai voice. People can mispronounce words also.
Mo-byle, Alabama? MacGregor OUT.
AI voices are so awful misreading and mispronouncing words.
Not AI voice
B.T.W.....Its pronounced, MO BILL, Not Mo bile
Deyřo
I think Harry’s wife, MM, studied and copied Alva.
m. not as loyal,discreet or smart/selfaware &I hope not as successful as A. Good catch!!!😂😅
Silly
In the 21st century, the Vanderbilts' golden boy is a gay television journalist and author. Any takers on who that might be?
@kimsmith1746 Anderson Cooper
Who cares?
I admire Anderson Cooper greatly , he is an admirable person .
Duh
Stop, please. You must have something better to focus upon. Anything…