"We Drafted Two Grown Men Today" | Seahawks 2023 NFL Draft Day 2 Press Conference

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  • GM John Schneider and head coach Pete Carroll met with media to recap the second day of the 2023 NFL Draft, where the Seahawks made two second-round selections, linebacker Derick Hall with pick No. 37 and running back Zach Charbonnet with pick No. 52.
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  • @barrytemplin3675
    @barrytemplin3675 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    John and Pete are always locked in, but the last few years just seem different. It’s like there on another level lately.

    • @johnny_405
      @johnny_405 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@poocrafter2you don’t know anything about football

    • @bradneumann9075
      @bradneumann9075 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Completely agree

    • @The_Chris_Pope
      @The_Chris_Pope ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@poocrafter2 If you think they are bad at drafting just look at last years draft, Seahawks had possibly the best rookie class in the league

    • @itsmedio6208
      @itsmedio6208 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@poocrafter2 think about it like this. Zach Carbonnet has excellent hands, frame, stability, and pass protection. An excellent 3rd down back and change of pace RB to have on the roster. We're getting an elite Kareem Hunt type RB on the roster who can help during passing downs. He's also a bruiser which makes defenses on confused on 3rd n short whether we are passing, pounding it in for the 1st down, or going out for a swing/screen pass. Also keeps the offense from being stagnant if K9 goes down. I wasn't sold on the pick at first but when you put it that way, it makes sense.

    • @goldbullet345
      @goldbullet345 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@The_Chris_Pope i think he was talking about the 10 year gap

  • @macboizen2951
    @macboizen2951 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I'm stoked for the two guys we got. I didn't know much about Hall and Charbonnet beforehand, but they both look like super physical players. Sure, it's not IOL like JMS or an interior defensive lineman, but I'm more than willing to see what we've got in the last few rounds of the draft. Who knows? We could pick up someone in the later rounds who balls out like Tariq did last year.
    Pumped for the season and ready to see what our boys can do.

  • @drewblahnik5859
    @drewblahnik5859 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    People are going be surprised by how good this team will be this year. Yeah we still got a few holes, but look at how stacked we are with talent on both sides of the ball.

    • @GeorgeConner69420
      @GeorgeConner69420 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agree. They also have great leadership which is going to help these young guys so much. Reminds me a lot of when a high character guy like Lockett comes in and Baldwin etc. take him under their wing to produce fairly quick. I think that will happen with jsn and spoon. Then guys like coby, wool, cross, lucas, mafe, k9 getting even better. Young and fast

  • @TrevynPlays
    @TrevynPlays ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Love all the pick besides adding another edge rusher to the already stacked edge rushers we already have. That being said hearing that they don't force any picks I understand why now. Can't wait to see the Seahawks win the NFC west this year & hopefully a Super Bowl again.

    • @All_Hawks_IN
      @All_Hawks_IN ปีที่แล้ว

      we will get one in the third or in later rounds bro we already have tre’mont jones but most definitely need another beast in that position

  • @roottwo6764
    @roottwo6764 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    We're building the team the right way. The super high character physical guys we're bringing in will produce a team greater than the sum of its parts... And the sum of its parts will be pretty damn high as is.
    We probably won't go to the super bowl next year, but we'll have a shot. A year, two years after that we will absolutely have one of the best rosters in football. I hated the trade back today at first, but I really think it makes sense. We missed out on some guys but an extra third next year is super valuable, and we will still have good options at 108, perhaps even Ade Ade.

    • @meisterwindu1141
      @meisterwindu1141 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Super Bowl Teams are built through the trenches... or a franchise QB

    • @mattgowans547
      @mattgowans547 ปีที่แล้ว

      Legion of boom making a comeback

    • @meisterwindu1141
      @meisterwindu1141 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Stefan / Educated Tyrone it's been years now where we didnt attack the trenches enough (especially the D-Line)
      so i am not satisfied with postponing it again to the next draft

  • @rowenadangersign
    @rowenadangersign ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I just LOVE how in tune these guys are. They are on the same page, with the same vision, and it shows. Talent and ability are really important...but they amount to nothing without a common purpose. That's what these guys are building: a TEAM.

  • @Tarius369
    @Tarius369 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Remember Bush and White for his USC days. That one two punch was a huge reason they went three straight Chips ✌️😎

  • @_JimmerReay
    @_JimmerReay ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Will the Seahawks respond? I love the players that we drafted good job Pete and John!!!

  • @AuburnTigersonALcom
    @AuburnTigersonALcom ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Check out our 4-part docuseries on Derick Hall's journey from childhood to the Seahawks! Your team is getting one great guy. (Episode 4 coming Tuesday) th-cam.com/play/PLbsSDb89SBAN97Q_B-2Xp7GVclDXBn7wZ.html

    • @michaelm.1947
      @michaelm.1947 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you! What a story. Lookin' forward to seeing more of Baby D when the season starts.

    • @markp.9707
      @markp.9707 ปีที่แล้ว

      Amazing story about Derick. Every Seahawk fan needs to watch it.

    • @markp.9707
      @markp.9707 ปีที่แล้ว

      Here is a 5 minute video of how a child defied the odds of life to become a man in every sense of the word. Proud Jon and Pete drafted him. He will be an amazing Seahawk
      th-cam.com/video/5wSZIAVqcu0/w-d-xo.html

  • @scottfisher7563
    @scottfisher7563 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Pete and John are talking about building family and showing up. Great job let's go!!

  • @videogames9829
    @videogames9829 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    sad most fans and pundits forget we addressed the interior D-line, by signing dremont jones, and resigning reed. B wags coming back will help against the run game to, and of course letting cody barton walk was one of the best moves looool. That dude was a statue as a linebacker. Never seen a player hesitate so much after a snap. Was painful to watch.

  • @lukehuelsman1083
    @lukehuelsman1083 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Seahawks are stacked.

  • @calvinwood7120
    @calvinwood7120 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I’ll love that trade if we can steal Adetomiwa and get a free 3rd from Denver

    • @calvinwood7120
      @calvinwood7120 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is why we can’t have nice things

  • @georgeboss1523
    @georgeboss1523 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Two lockdown corners. Aged Bobby wagner in the center. All-pro Safety. Looking like a blitz heavy Defense in 2023.

  • @65Diesel1
    @65Diesel1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome picks with the draft so far I’m excited to see what they can bring this next season!!

  • @randyrozayy1670
    @randyrozayy1670 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got goosebumps listening to Pete explain bringing them in the the locker room.

  • @jaedenmclaughlin1585
    @jaedenmclaughlin1585 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    We still have Noah fant right

  • @tonynguyen4204
    @tonynguyen4204 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember when we got rid of RW y’all was telling them to fire John and Pete! now y’all happy!??? Smh these two change our franchise in the past 13 years! I trust them!

    • @tronmoneymaker8881
      @tronmoneymaker8881 ปีที่แล้ว

      My ass another Tre Brown CB and Dee Eskdrige receiver picked. Rather trust my ex wife than trust theirs ugly ass

  • @azumarillmain
    @azumarillmain ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Who needs a Dline or iOL when there's a running back right there.

  • @xXxlLEGENDZlxXx
    @xXxlLEGENDZlxXx ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We were sat at the top of the 2nd, with every IOL still on the board bar Avila, and instead, two rounds later, we have another edge, who likely has a similar ceiling to what we already have on the team, and another RB... from knocking it out the park day 1 to just confusing on day 2, what a rollercoaster 😂

  • @theonlydjtopcat
    @theonlydjtopcat ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Any guesses to who the "upsets" were? I have to believe Siaki Ika, and Benton were at least two.

    • @danielbailey9049
      @danielbailey9049 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think Calijah Kancey getting picked at 19

    • @chriszweifel8766
      @chriszweifel8766 ปีที่แล้ว

      Broderick Martin is one of my guesses. I think they were aggressive at other spots thinking he’d fall to 83

    • @derekwoods4026
      @derekwoods4026 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think Martin was a guy they thought would be a UDFA. Ika was still there at 83 as well. Probably Tippmann and/or Benton going before 52 is what they mean.

  • @jimmyholliday8453
    @jimmyholliday8453 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    AWSOME Day guys, Now dominate 4-7. And y’all are experts so the trade in the 3rd was a shocker but again y’all are the expects. But can take a look at these names WR Justin Shorter from Florida, WR speedster Bryce-Ford Wheaten, and one more LB Anfernee Orii, and Shaka Heyward. These guys, not telling you how to do your jobs. Two out of four of these players will be AWSOME immediate impact players. And I think they fit the Hawk integrity character. Thanks for allowing this platform. Oh and I know OL and QB, is going to addressed I get it. But we have a decent line, which depth at the position is cool to. But we can run the ball already. And in terms of QB I’m not concern because we run the football. Geno Smith and Drew Lock are efficient enough but it’s ok to bring in a big smart effective qb SORRY FOR LONG WINDED COMMENTS. Now Go DOMINATE this draft

    • @jimmyholliday8453
      @jimmyholliday8453 ปีที่แล้ว

      Justin Shorter is my Wideout sleeper and either LB would be great choices

  • @tylert4170
    @tylert4170 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Now is it enough to beat San Fran

    • @katstacks1316
      @katstacks1316 ปีที่แล้ว

      We had enough to beat San Fran before the draft

    • @shazmagoon
      @shazmagoon ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@katstacks1316 No we haven't, which is why we got swept last season. Fucking stop it.

    • @brus3460
      @brus3460 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@Kat Stacks no we didn't. We got smoked 3 times

    • @onewhowaits7321
      @onewhowaits7321 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also, I would say that SF is uniquely built to kick the “stuff” out of us.

    • @charlesd6060
      @charlesd6060 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We would have a great defense too if we had a decade of top 10 picks

  • @georgeboss1523
    @georgeboss1523 ปีที่แล้ว

    Better get them watching Film starting tomorrow and explaining concepts with Geno Smith.

  • @juanaction2715
    @juanaction2715 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There are some guys I was hoping you had chosen when the opportunity was there but all these choices look great. After last year, it is difficult to not trust your plan. With 4 picks in the next 50 or so, you guys have the opportunity to fill some other vital "holes" in our lineup. Please some O & D linemen as well as a project QB in the 4th and 5th. Great so far. Excited to see our team on the field.

  • @Boarsheadcontracting
    @Boarsheadcontracting ปีที่แล้ว

    Looking forward to seeing Bella cheer for the Hawks...

  • @spockb1186
    @spockb1186 ปีที่แล้ว

    Need more than one Defensive Tackles, over 300 pounds, strong and agile before round 7 is over.

  • @bashedbrains
    @bashedbrains ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The day these two split will be the day I stop being a Seattle fan

  • @CHRIS-pz5sr
    @CHRIS-pz5sr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Compete win WIN THE NFC WEST...then dominate in the big dance SUPERBOWL...😝😝😝

  • @jaedenmclaughlin1585
    @jaedenmclaughlin1585 ปีที่แล้ว

    Derick hall is gonna b insane with derrel Taylor a d nwouso

    • @joeblow1031
      @joeblow1031 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bro and rotating Mafe and Tyreke

    • @jaedenmclaughlin1585
      @jaedenmclaughlin1585 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joeblow1031 exactly bro 😂😂 that’s a insane d line

    • @jaedenmclaughlin1585
      @jaedenmclaughlin1585 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Than we have a pretty good free agent center Charles crocs Abraham than we have Julian love a insane running back wr corners are stacked safeties are nutty with Julian love

  • @KLeeMr
    @KLeeMr ปีที่แล้ว

    They wanted Richardson. Damnit.

  • @andredrake7340
    @andredrake7340 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Reporter is asking about a QB when our Need is DT or Maybe even another RB like Pittsburghs Isreal Cause we lost Penny which was like loosening 2 Backs cause he had the rare combo of speed & Power and all of our DTs from last year are gone that's why When we didn't get Carter it was like Well they got, to get the Kid from Waco ,Texas Baylor's Own Polynesian 🐻‍❄ or the Kid from Michigan or both

    • @davidnguyen270
      @davidnguyen270 ปีที่แล้ว

      Seriously..I really like the Mazi kid from Michigan

  • @ivermectin1974
    @ivermectin1974 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well at least we have 10 edge rushers now. Maybe a few of them can gain 40-50 pounds to play DT.

    • @williamcooke6056
      @williamcooke6056 ปีที่แล้ว

      Like Pete says, you can never have enough pass rushers.

  • @GeorgeConner69420
    @GeorgeConner69420 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Derick Hall just sounds like a future Seahawks ring of honor inductee
    Stetson Bennett tomorrow please

  • @Seattle808
    @Seattle808 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pete would rush for 150+ up the middle on this DL

  • @Benny_bandit
    @Benny_bandit ปีที่แล้ว

    I still don’t understand why we haven’t address the interior on both sides of the ball yet. This a glaring need to me. I know that Shelby Harris is still unsigned after we released him I have a feeling we might bring him back. Hawks are known to do that. I’m hoping day 3 is nothing but interior players

    • @Benny_bandit
      @Benny_bandit ปีที่แล้ว

      @Stefan / Educated Tyrone same here. We need to sure up the interior. Especially, with teams like San Fran who love to run

  • @FreshlySnipes
    @FreshlySnipes ปีที่แล้ว +1

    … Soo is next years Draft D-Line heavy??

  • @ggsnubs
    @ggsnubs ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why spend a 2nd round pick on a backup RB? Especially in a loaded RB class, and especially after already using a luxury pick on an offensive weapon in round 1. Something wrong with K9?

    • @davidnguyen270
      @davidnguyen270 ปีที่แล้ว

      No man. Injuries are a huge problem for football teams. We need a back up RB

    • @williamcooke6056
      @williamcooke6056 ปีที่แล้ว

      We now have quality RB depth, in case Walker gets hurt. We still need another RB.

  • @chriszweifel8766
    @chriszweifel8766 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They seem bummed

  • @ArjunGhag-ix7te
    @ArjunGhag-ix7te ปีที่แล้ว

    NFL has not seen an Alpha of Alphas like Derek Hall since ... Well... The great Kam Chancellor
    A of A's only come around once a decade ( eg Mike Singletary - Ray Wilson - Bam Bam & now Mr Derek Hall (of Fame) - Future multi SB winner w 12s😊

    • @markp.9707
      @markp.9707 ปีที่แล้ว

      He is an alpha for sure and this explains why
      th-cam.com/video/5wSZIAVqcu0/w-d-xo.html

  • @theshadowswithin9896
    @theshadowswithin9896 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Alright, now let JSN take over kick/punt return duties. Tired of watching Deejay Dallas return punts.

  • @bigdzzzy
    @bigdzzzy ปีที่แล้ว +7

    How many damn edges did you need when you got no DTs and no Interior OL

    • @TrevynPlays
      @TrevynPlays ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Exactly 5 edge rushers. I am super confused but love all the other pick so far.

    • @brus3460
      @brus3460 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@TrevynPlays 6 now (Nwosu, Mafe, Taylor, Hall, Robinson, and Smith)

    • @TrevynPlays
      @TrevynPlays ปีที่แล้ว

      @B Rus OH, yea your right.

    • @edubb2491
      @edubb2491 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@brus3460we are obviously getting rid of Robinson

    • @brus3460
      @brus3460 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@edubb2491 you're probably right

  • @autiebell1357
    @autiebell1357 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    RB, Slot Receiver, CB???????? WTF ARE YOU DOING?????????????

  • @theonlydjtopcat
    @theonlydjtopcat ปีที่แล้ว

    At least one DE is on the way out. Alton Robinson? hmm

  • @BrewdasDM7419
    @BrewdasDM7419 ปีที่แล้ว

    These drafts are a series of business contracts (12's). It's business. Sometimes I wonder if Pete gets that.
    🤘😎🏈

  • @key-onthesmartestidiot6177
    @key-onthesmartestidiot6177 ปีที่แล้ว

    They had a great draft last year, but let's not forget the 5 terrible drafts before that. I'm cool with hall but A RB in the second is just stupid when we need oline, Linebacker, and Inteterior D-Line

    • @steventipton7369
      @steventipton7369 ปีที่แล้ว

      He was projected to go late 2nd, we need another running back just as almost any position.

    • @tronmoneymaker8881
      @tronmoneymaker8881 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@steventipton7369 dude you don’t take a back up RB real high 2nd round 37 overall is like 1st rounder bonus.
      When the beast were here they took 2 good solid back up Rb late rounds Chris Carson and Raw Thomas

  • @chrisshank3632
    @chrisshank3632 ปีที่แล้ว

    But look what this project might become! 5 years later the project is good but signed to a different team....

  • @trenchant2
    @trenchant2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    They seem a little disappointed on players they didn't get more than excited with who they drafted.

    • @timsully8054
      @timsully8054 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah that's the same feeling that I've gotten. It's not that they don't really like the guys they picked.... But maybe not exactly what they wanted to do

    • @Activist88
      @Activist88 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      On day 1 I think they were going for will Anderson and or any of the 3 qbs young'stroud then I think the colts sniped Richardson so they went with nightmare scenario
      I also think right before JSN pick they were gonna pick kancey but then the bucs sniped them
      I think teams been sniping their pick just before their pick 😂😅
      Just my .2

  • @yeaight8439
    @yeaight8439 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Definitely could’ve gotten Hall in the later rounds, no?

    • @slightlyeducated450
      @slightlyeducated450 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nope, he was a solid second round pick, maybe later second. He may have slipped, but you never know.

    • @amitbali7214
      @amitbali7214 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@slightlyeducated450 hall has 34.5 inch arms ran 4.55 and weighs 255… you honestly like him more to translate than Nolan smith or will McDonald who went in the first…. Plus auburn was ASS they were in a dark place as a program but hall came in everyday wit his HIGH MOTOR that shit will play in the NFL

    • @markp.9707
      @markp.9707 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No way! Guys like him teams don’t talk about because they don’t want to show their cards but I can tell you he was going in the 2nd round to someone but super happy he is a 12

  • @daviddiazgopar2133
    @daviddiazgopar2133 ปีที่แล้ว

    First

  • @ransac82
    @ransac82 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love you Pete and John but I'm not looking forward to Donald and Hargrave running through our interior o-line like toilet paper after missing all those centers... makes me want to drink....

    • @justinbright8039
      @justinbright8039 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Casuals

    • @edubb2491
      @edubb2491 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      We got a C from Detroit

    • @tknucklesupnext
      @tknucklesupnext ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Center for Ohio state is still there

    • @xXxlLEGENDZlxXx
      @xXxlLEGENDZlxXx ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@edubb2491 why do people keep pointing this out?! We sign a rotational guy on a 1 Yr, $2.5m flier and say "Hey, we're all good at C now!"?

    • @edubb2491
      @edubb2491 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xXxlLEGENDZlxXx well..i guess because he is better the Austin was bro..thats all.looks lile we jis drafted another C

  • @ayo6076
    @ayo6076 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please clean house and fire John and Pete. The most disappointing draft as always who would have expect from this organization

    • @davidnguyen270
      @davidnguyen270 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂 please shut up

    • @Am20044
      @Am20044 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why don’t you just be a chiefs fan or something and don’t claim the team when they’re elite.

  • @j.ruhland21
    @j.ruhland21 ปีที่แล้ว

    All this money and you can’t get the audio, mics and proper color of video. Wtf y’all doing, get it together. It’s not that hard, I do this and this is not even the first time for a fumble. Draft someone in the production department ffs. Watched this live, I guess good job after the fact? Smh.

    • @brus3460
      @brus3460 ปีที่แล้ว

      We've been at this for years. At this point, it has to be purposeful. It's not even worth bringing up anymore honestly 😂

  • @Construct87
    @Construct87 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    They failed today with those picks. 2nd Round picks have very high value, those are ideally starters in positions of needs.
    They reached at 37 for a guy that was ranked around 70-80 and wasnt even a need at all. OLB/DE is one of the deepest positions on the roster.
    Then you go RB (which you needed) in the second round in a extremely deep RB class and again pass on finally adressing DL.
    "Great character" only takes you so far, the roster has needs and you need talent. Hall is not better than Mafe and you simply dont get a backup HB in round 2. They shined day 1 and really fumbled the bag on day 2 bad

    • @brotherk57
      @brotherk57 ปีที่แล้ว

      No team has the exact same rankings and you don't know where they ranked Hall. They took two really good football players today.

    • @markp.9707
      @markp.9707 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don’t agree with you on these 2nd round picks. Time will tell. You could be right. I do appreciate your comments and thought process. Like you I found myself disappointed more because I didn’t know who really either player was but now that I have watch some film on them both I can see why both Pete and Jon picked up the phone and called them.

    • @davidnguyen270
      @davidnguyen270 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Don't be that dude. Same guys that complained about K9 last year. 🤦‍♂️

  • @bigdzzzy
    @bigdzzzy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We should of gotten 14 picks this draft by trading back. To much talent not to get more guys especially when the biggest need’s are ignored

    • @Max-zg2ci
      @Max-zg2ci ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No RB after K9 or Dallas? That’s a need, champ.
      And that damn grammar again…Sweet Jesus man, it’s like a daily DOL lesson. I came here to talk Seahawks not have Vietnam flashbacks to 5th grade English

    • @Seattle808
      @Seattle808 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Max-zg2ci right because an RB in the second made sense, there were plenty of other fish in the sea.....as you blatantly ignore the weakest Interior defensive line in the NFL

  • @bigdzzzy
    @bigdzzzy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Don’t complain about runn8ng the ball when you don’t get anybody upfront clowns

    • @Max-zg2ci
      @Max-zg2ci ปีที่แล้ว

      I’d be offended if your grammar wasn’t as bad as a 3rd grader. It’s honestly more funny than anything, takes a second to look back and go “huh…that 8 doesn’t go there”

    • @justinbright8039
      @justinbright8039 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Casuals

    • @edgerosales1093
      @edgerosales1093 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      couch gms everywhere

  • @tronmoneymaker8881
    @tronmoneymaker8881 ปีที่แล้ว

    The picked cb spoon all this happened is Russell Wilson and Denver Broncos fault they didn’t lose enough games for the Seahawks landing # 4 picked scooping up Anthony Richardson Hawks don’t need spoon they need folk

    • @Corzas7
      @Corzas7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I almost had a stroke reading this

  • @greasesicle
    @greasesicle ปีที่แล้ว

    Why do fans call the team, team management, players and staff 'we' and after those people get arrested, turn gay or republican the fans call them 'they'?