TIP FOR PUTTING SCREWS BACK INTO EXISTING HOLES: Turn the screw counter-clockwise(backwards) slowly until you feel it drop into the threading. This then uses the original thread track instead of reaming out a new one as this, over time, will strip out the hole.
Thank you thank you thank you for this! I’m repairing my old fender dreadnought to give to a coworker that wants to learn guitar and I need all the tips I can get!
Suggestion: If you're going to upgrade to locking tuners, check which kind of tuners you've got already and see if the same manufacturer makes a locking version that has the identical post size and mounting holes. Most Ibanez guitars come with Gotoh tuners and I know for sure the locking Gotohs use exactly the same sizes and holes, so they are going to be a direct retro-fit -- that's exactly what you want. Pretty sure Fender / Gibson have the same kind of options. Fender's OEM locking tuners are pretty good too -- from what I remember they use a two pin design.
mark heyne Not true. Locking tuners do help with tuning stability, and also don’t require you to stretch the strings as much after you put them on, compared to conventional wrap friction tuners. They’re much faster too, of course. It’s a no brainer, really. And like I said, there should be no need to make new holes in the headstock.
Sure but a lot of ppl throw locking tuners into a budget guitar that comes with crappy off brands. It’s easy to just measure the new tuner with a caliper and open the up the holes.
@@tylerthompson1842 …Or you can just get locking tuners that have the post size of whatever off brand your guitar came with, lol. It’s not like there’s any real advantage to getting any specific kind, they’re all variations on the same basic design 🤷♂️
3:15 A Reamer is the most important tool when putting Sealed Gear Tuners on Vintage instruments (which is great for improved tuning stability) cause it keeps those holes nice & clean.
Suggestion for the drill jig....just use some carbon copy paper on the end of the tuner and let it mark the pin locations. Cheap but accurate solution. Great video.
Sealed Gear Tuners are a huge improvement because they allow the instrument to always hold tune. 4:19 They make Sealed Gear Tuners w/ a Vintage Tuner shape to them, good balance between look & tuning stability.
Agree. I love how Mr. Dan does his work. That guy is a total-pro. I use a Yoga Mat = best thing ever, for working on my Precious instruments. oNe LovE from NYC
One area that needs to be considered is the thickness of the peg head and the length of new machines' string posts. I have an Epiphone ET-275 and its peg head is very thick. The string post of many machines is not long enough to get at least three turns on the EAD strings. People should be encouraged to check the specs so they waste time and money on a machines that will not work. Thanks for the good video Erick!
You can plug the holes with dowels and then re-drill the holes. That’s what I would do when I’m replacing those type of Tuner machines that have to have a larger holes with tuners require smaller holes, it’s simple you just take some dowels stick about the same diameter of the holes, Cut each dowel stick about an inch the size of the width of the headstock and then roll each stick in gorilla glue, and tap the sticks into the headstock evenly, and then regriel each hole when the glue dries. If it’s not even you can always stand it off and repaint the head stock, or run part of it through a bandsaw to cut the dowel sticks to an even level.
Many thanks - real helpful. Just about to take the electronic tuners off of a Gibson SG Standard HP USA 2017 and replace with Grovers - was a little concerned about hole diameter and screw fittings - this makes things a lot clearer thanks. I am going to replace with modern Grover in chrome to match the rest of the guitar - much like the 2018 version of the same model guitar where Gibson themselves have now seen the light and dropped the E-tune.
Perfect timing (for me anyways). I got slighky used Darco tuners for my guitar i keep in the truck. I'm planning on doing the work myself andvthis vid answered all my questions. Very interesting use of a reamer on correcting the hole sizes, instead of a drill or wooden dowel/drill-out steps. Since you a very lightly " filing-down" (so to speak) the insude walls of those holes. The reamer can dk the job in under a minute each. No glues, retouching paint of clear coat...and no noisy drill or drill press. That reamer is just as quiet as came. Makes sense.
The first thing I'm interested in when considering a tuner is the gear ratio. Aside from configuration, the rest of the specs are of secondary importance to me.
5:33 So these are Press Fit Peg head Conversion Bushings, they're slightly bigger Press Fit Peg head Bushings that allow the Vintage tuners to work w/ enlarged holes.
Good but would have appreciated you showing how you would install new tuning heads with different mounting tab locations. Would you drill pilot holes? Would you use a drill press?
Hey man, I am from the UK and I have a problem. I bought a Takemine P5J (NOT SURE IF THEY EVEN MAKE THAT MODEL NOW) Any way, I have to replace six machine heads for the Pro series, every site that had the same ones as mine had run out of stock. The nearest had an amber button on, apart from that not being just gold, it is the same. Would you go for those? I wanted to keep it as it was made, but it seems I am fast running out of options. T Y Any advice would be welcome
What a brilliant and informative video, i have some guitars i am modifying the machine heads on, i want locking ones, you have helped me so much with this lesson.
Quick question, if my guitar has 14:1 gear ratio tuners, can I install 18:1 gear ratio tuners on it?? I can’t seem to find any good looking 14:1 tuners.
Hi Stuart, I've been playing guitar since I was nine years old (near 71, now), but I ran into something I never realize existed. It has to do with replacement keys. I understand that there are to basic configurations, L3-R3 and 3+3 guitar tuning keys. However, I can find no reliable information that explains the difference between the two types of key sets. Would you mind educating me on this subject? Thanks in advance. -- Lynn
I wanted to upgrade my gold keystone tuners on my Les Paul to locking versions. But I just decided to go with original keystone Grovers in Gibson packaging. Nothing wrong with old set. Just losing a bit of gold and I wanted to freshen it up a bit. No regrets. I used to never be a big fan of Grovers. But the ones on Gibson’s seem so much nicer. Perfect tactile feel and operation. Comparable to the Gotohs on my ESP. That’s why I got the Grovers in the “Gibson “ packaging. I don’t know if Gibson gets a better tuner than standard Grover packaged stuff. But it seriously seems that way?
Very interesting! I have what I think are Fender Ping tuners on my Mexico Deluxe strat, but I want to upgrade them to Gotoh's vintage style locking.. but I'm not sure if they will fit. I have never removed the original tuners so I don't really know what to look for in order to make it properly. My wish is to just have the new ones slide in without any problem, but I'm not sure on what to look for :/
I've been mainly playing a Seagull acoustic for a long time (~7 years) and I pulled out my old Gibson dreadnought and couldn't believe how much smoother the tuners were on the Gibson than the Seagull.
Seagull tuners suck... 2 of the little plastic collars that sit between the button and the rest of the tuner broke, and it's incredibly hard to turn now. I've been putting off fixing it for a while now... but I think it's time! I did a little more research, and I think it's because the screw on the button was tightened too tightly. Not a big deal! In fact, I shouldn't have to upgrade my tuners at all. I'll just buy replacement plastic washers. Awesome!
I bought a Chinese or Korean made Mustang and within the first year, had to change the tuners. I got locking tuners and it's great. All in, I have invested $410 including tax. It's a great deal on a great Fender
Hello, can you tell me the brand and model the one with indexing pin underneath the housing? My strat has these special holes for the indexing pin, it's just one hole in the middle. I can't find any tuners with just one indexing pin in the middle, so it could fit without any unnecessary drilling. Thank you
Those conversion bushings are a great idea! The only thing I'd respectfully add is to use just a little lubricant on the string posts where they rub on the inner surface of the bushings. And use a little lanolin grease on the threads of rusty screws before you return them to the timber.
@@TylrVncnt Lanolin grease is great as a rust treatment, plus it doesn't run into timber grain like some other greases/oils. If you put rusty screws back into timber, there's a good chance the next luthier won't be able to get them out. The rust bonds to the timber fibres.
I own an electric sitar which includes 7 metal guitar style geared tuners but I want to upgrade to locking ones. How do I find out what ones I have or need to get? Should I take one off & send it by registered return post to a specialist seller so they can see exactly what needs to be matched? Thanks.
Much appreciated, the tuners that I ordered had those pressfit bushes and I needed a little more information on what to do. (It's a unusual instrument but it uses the same pegs as those used in ukuleles)
I have a squire affinity that has all Tele electronics. Want to change the tuners so they lock. The originals each have a single indexing pin. Would u or folks reading here suggest a replacement locking tuner (6 long, not staggered) that has only one indexing pin so I don’t have to drill please? Tnx. Very informative video.
When you have the metal Grove tuners but you want the vintage looking ones. Can you use the Grove Tuners from 4:20 with only the bottom screw? Mostly it holds in place with the big threat through the head and the small screw seems only for positioning, am I right?
Helpful video. I've seen one brand (maybe Hip Shot), offers a cover plate that goes between the tuning machines and the headstock and covers those old mounting holes.
For the sealed gear tuners, can you simply replace the knobs/buttons by unscrewing the old, and screwing in a new one? For example, I want to replace the steel buttons with white/yellow plastic buttons for their vintage look?
I'm new to guitars, if I mix match tuners, will it affect the guitar in any way? I got an old strat from my uncle and it had missing tuners, so I took 3 from a les paul pee wee and put them on it. They barely fit, but I cant test it until I get some new strings.(old ones were corroded)
I have a 1984 E series Japanese Stratocaster. I want to replace the Gotoh tuners with grovers. Does Grover make a machine head that will drop in ? Thank You
I have a broken button on an old 90s epiphone. The tuner is okay. I am currently tuning with a pair of pliers. Anyone know if I can buy a replacement button and not the whole head?
Before you get into a discussion about replacing tuners, you should also talk about the mechanics of how they wear out. In my experience I never had tuners wear out, only the tuning plate which you put your fingers on but not the mechanisms itself
I bought Imperial buttons to replace the stock Grover buttons on the tuners on a Sheraton ll but the new buttons are too small. What can i do? Is there any adapter?
NICE~! I'm thinking I want a wide-neck and the best option for a righteous sound @cost (?) is to convert a classical to steel, and I definitely would like to make that tuner conversion - all the way to lockers. Ever see that?? Best
Are sealed gear chrome tuner heavier than the plastic open gear tuners? Lately I am into travel guitar choosing between Washburn Rover 10 or Martin Backpacker. But I want to replace their chrome tuners to reduce weight of the headstock. And plastic tuners are more airline friendly compared to the chrome one.
You can get those Hipshot grip lock tuners with a mounting plate you don't need to screw into the headstock, expensive but potentially save a lot of aggro.
When using the original screws, is it important for each screw to end up back in the exact hole it came from, or are they presumably interchangeable? And if they have to go back into the original holes, what measures do you take to avoid an accidental mix-up? I find it very challenging to keep components organized when taking something apart and reassembling it.
If you take the screws out and they're obviously the same screw that's been manufactured exactly the same then you can put them back into different holes and it will be fine
I have a les Paul that was made in 98 and the original tuners were Grover’s but it only had one screw that went on the bottom. The guitar is used so the previous owner took off the originals and installed vintage Grover’s with the pearled buttons. Too bad for me I like to keep it original but there was 6 more screw holes drilled and it bothered me so I went and put the vintages back on. I do like those tuners the best but I like to keep my guitars as original as possible
I have an Epiphone Les Paul Standard with the chrome grover tuners. I want to put on aged pearl tuners, tulip shaped you would see on a Gibson Les Paul. Which ones can I order that requires no drilling?
Why don't you use a jig over the peghead? I made some, and have never chipped out a veneer or any wood, since I started using them. They have a hole you line up over the bushing, clamp it down and press the bushing out. I like the Planet Waves self trimming machines, Gotoh 510 Deltas, Schaller, Waverly, & Stewmac's Golden Age are a great replacement tuning machine, or set.
Ive two pin holes on my schector neck but fender replacement locking tuners the two pins are farther apart. I wonder what staggered chrome set will match the pinholes on the neck.
Some companies, like Graphtec, make mounting plates that match the screw holes on whatever is factory installed so you have no need to drill new holes.
Just got a 73 SG with highly necrssary/ sought after "Repaired Neck" mod. Anywho: came with installed replacement tuners and a bag with original Gibson tuners. Should I put old ones back in? How to test them for badness? Guitar won't stay in tune anyway. Could be the nut or the Bigsby or some evil curse. But new tuners didn't fix tuning problem; apparently
Man ive got three sets of staggered 2 pin tuners but my schector neck uses a smaller 2 pin pattern. Where can I find staggered 6 inline small 2 pin pattern for my strat? Locking?
Unfortunately, we're unable to directly cross-reference other manufacturer's technical specs for a specific make or model of instrument. We recommend removing one the tuning machines on your Fender DG-8S and measuring the diameter of the peghole. Then, compare that measurement to the specs listed on our website to see if the new tuners will fit the pegholes on your guitar. You will be able to determine if the tuners will be a direct replacement or if you will have to drill new screw mounting holes, or use our conversion bushings in the peghead. The tuners on a Fender Stratocaster are in a 6-in-line configuration, so they will not be a direct replacement on your Fender DG-8S with a 3L/3R configuration.
I took the Grovers off my Gibson J-45 custom, they worked fine until the string tensioned then they went so tight I couldn't turn em.. I replaced them with Schaller vintage ones, these are the bollocks, as smooth as silk at any tension and look great on the guitar ! I have a Guild 12 string guitar that I want to change the tuners, they have back lash and want to swap em out for a good set, but Schallers will cost me a fortune for 12, whats a good alternative ??
Both Grover and Gotoh make tuning machines that are less expensive options, that are still high quality tuners. Unfortunately, we're not able to directly cross-reference other manufacturer's technical specs for a specific make or model of instrument. We recommend removing a tuner from your Guild and measuring the diameter of the peghole. Then, compare that measurement to the technical specs of the tuners we offer, listed on our website. You should also not the placement of any tuner mounting screw holes. www.stewmac.com/SiteSearch/?search=Guitar%20tuning%20machines%20for%20a%20solid%20peghead&facet=%7cTUNERCFG%3a3L3R%7cTUNERCFG%3a6L6R
so all the guitar stuff is cool , but there is not hardly any videos for us bass players. Need some bass videos please. BTW you are the coolest guy at stewmac.
can tuners have different gear ratios within the same set? building a kit, and I swear they have different ratios but I'm not sure which to put where. or maybe I'm seeing things?
One important thing that was overlooked is the mounting screws. Never ever strip those holes out, or if you do, what needs to be done to fix the problem. Hard to stay in tune if your tuning pegs are not firmly in place due to a stripped out mounting-screw hole.
I got a tuner tip. If you want to upgrade don't dig back in the box of old tuners you have from other times you upgraded. 2nd tip. It's worth drilling out the headstock to upgrade to locking. I got an old box of tuners from all of my Squier and Mexican strats and teles I've had over the years. I'll sell them to you if you want.
Grover's guitar tuners require a 10mm-diameter peghole for the threaded hex bushing they use. However, vintage style Kluson tuners are going to have a press-fit bushing that will likely require a smaller 11/32"-diameter peghole. To remedy this issue you can either plug and redrill the pegholes to the new required diameter, or you could use some of our conversion bushings. www.stewmac.com/Hardware_and_Parts/Tuning_Machines/Tuner_Parts/3_8_Conversion_Tuner_Bushing.html You should also note the location of any tuner mounting screw holes, and measure the distance on-center from the peghole to these screw holes. Then, compare those dimensions to those of the Kluson tuners.
I have a 1987 Jackson Soloist, and I want to replace the tuners with non-staggered, locking, chrome Schallers. I believe they're the (left)M6 135, but someone told me I need the XL 21mm. Do you have a part# or link on StewMac? I'll buy them right now! Thanks. Excellent video, too!
Unfortunately, the only 6-In-Line Locking Schaller Guitar Machines we sell is the model with the staggered post heights. www.stewmac.com/Hardware_and_Parts/Tuning_Machines/Solid_Peghead_Guitar_Tuning_Machines/Schaller_Locking_6-In-Line_Guitar_Machines.html
Yeah, since my Soloist has a tilted-back headstock, I don't want or need staggered heights. I wonder if I called Schaller if they could help me out. I don't know what else to do. Too bad I don't speak Deutsch... Hey, thanks for replying.
Do 'better' tuners correct for string binding such as common on the G string on LP's? Some apparently believe so...I have my doubts. Binding is a sign of poorly cut nut, not cheap tuners. Right?
Speaking specifically to the G string problem common on Les Pauls, this is most often caused by not properly splaying the nut slot. In most cases any binding of strings while tuning is either a problem at the nut or bridge slots, but bad tuners can issues as well.
TIP FOR PUTTING SCREWS BACK INTO EXISTING HOLES: Turn the screw counter-clockwise(backwards) slowly until you feel it drop into the threading. This then uses the original thread track instead of reaming out a new one as this, over time, will strip out the hole.
See I wouldn’t have done that!🤦♂️
This is also for necks
You need a Medal of Honor. That sounds interesting
Thank you thank you thank you for this! I’m repairing my old fender dreadnought to give to a coworker that wants to learn guitar and I need all the tips I can get!
Suggestion: If you're going to upgrade to locking tuners, check which kind of tuners you've got already and see if the same manufacturer makes a locking version that has the identical post size and mounting holes. Most Ibanez guitars come with Gotoh tuners and I know for sure the locking Gotohs use exactly the same sizes and holes, so they are going to be a direct retro-fit -- that's exactly what you want. Pretty sure Fender / Gibson have the same kind of options. Fender's OEM locking tuners are pretty good too -- from what I remember they use a two pin design.
Gotohs fit on my Jacksons, too.
EXCELLENT suggestion. I'm going to find some for my Ibanez too then.
mark heyne Not true. Locking tuners do help with tuning stability, and also don’t require you to stretch the strings as much after you put them on, compared to conventional wrap friction tuners. They’re much faster too, of course. It’s a no brainer, really. And like I said, there should be no need to make new holes in the headstock.
Sure but a lot of ppl throw locking tuners into a budget guitar that comes with crappy off brands. It’s easy to just measure the new tuner with a caliper and open the up the holes.
@@tylerthompson1842 …Or you can just get locking tuners that have the post size of whatever off brand your guitar came with, lol. It’s not like there’s any real advantage to getting any specific kind, they’re all variations on the same basic design 🤷♂️
3:15 A Reamer is the most important tool when putting Sealed Gear Tuners on Vintage instruments (which is great for improved tuning stability) cause it keeps those holes nice & clean.
I just took advantage of the Gotoh sale and ordered a set of 510 3x3 midsize in cosmo black from you guys. Thanks, can’t wait to install them!
Suggestion for the drill jig....just use some carbon copy paper on the end of the tuner and let it mark the pin locations. Cheap but accurate solution. Great video.
Sealed Gear Tuners are a huge improvement because they allow the instrument to always hold tune. 4:19 They make Sealed Gear Tuners w/ a Vintage Tuner shape to them, good balance between look & tuning stability.
Wow, super clear and concise advice here. No frills, only the important info is presented very clearly. Instant subscribe! Thanks for posting this!
The best video covering the different peg types and how to identify them.
No towel or something soft to protect the bottom of that SG when you place is on the wooden table? Other than that, great video, very well done.
Agreed, it's first thing that I thought. It made me uncomfortable.
Yeah, I was triggered too by that microaggression 🤣
Agree. I love how Mr. Dan does his work. That guy is a total-pro. I use a Yoga Mat = best thing ever, for working on my Precious instruments. oNe LovE from NYC
There’s really no need for it,not setting it on the driveway it’s a nice bench
One area that needs to be considered is the thickness of the peg head and the length of new machines' string posts. I have an Epiphone ET-275 and its peg head is very thick. The string post of many machines is not long enough to get at least three turns on the EAD strings. People should be encouraged to check the specs so they waste time and money on a machines that will not work.
Thanks for the good video Erick!
You can plug the holes with dowels and then re-drill the holes. That’s what I would do when I’m replacing those type of Tuner machines that have to have a larger holes with tuners require smaller holes, it’s simple you just take some dowels stick about the same diameter of the holes, Cut each dowel stick about an inch the size of the width of the headstock and then roll each stick in gorilla glue, and tap the sticks into the headstock evenly, and then regriel each hole when the glue dries. If it’s not even you can always stand it off and repaint the head stock, or run part of it through a bandsaw to cut the dowel sticks to an even level.
Wow. Incredibly informative. Tons of great info here.
This is by far the best video on tuner upgrade on TH-cam. Very well done! Thanks!
Enjoyed learning about new items like the bushings. It's good to know about, thank you!
Many thanks - real helpful. Just about to take the electronic tuners off of a Gibson SG Standard HP USA 2017 and replace with Grovers - was a little concerned about hole diameter and screw fittings - this makes things a lot clearer thanks. I am going to replace with modern Grover in chrome to match the rest of the guitar - much like the 2018 version of the same model guitar where Gibson themselves have now seen the light and dropped the E-tune.
Perfect timing (for me anyways).
I got slighky used Darco tuners for my guitar i keep in the truck.
I'm planning on doing the work myself andvthis vid answered all my questions.
Very interesting use of a reamer on correcting the hole sizes, instead of a drill or wooden dowel/drill-out steps.
Since you a very lightly " filing-down" (so to speak) the insude walls of those holes.
The reamer can dk the job in under a minute each. No glues, retouching paint of clear coat...and no noisy drill or drill press. That reamer is just as quiet as came.
Makes sense.
5:40
А classic carpenter's trick for that is to glue a dowel in there and re-drill the hole.
shurdi3 genius.
He specifically mentions this if you watched the video
@@airgliderz he did?
This was gold. Watch it all the way through lads.
The first thing I'm interested in when considering a tuner is the gear ratio.
Aside from configuration, the rest of the specs are of secondary importance to me.
I like them to stay in tune for at least 20 minutes
5:33 So these are Press Fit Peg head Conversion Bushings, they're slightly bigger Press Fit Peg head Bushings that allow the Vintage tuners to work w/ enlarged holes.
Sucks Gibson stopped offering the Steinberger gearless tuners to you guys. They were my favorite tuner :(
Excellent tips. I'm about to put some Hohners on my 40 year old D-10 copy.
This is a very informative and very professional video. You guys deserve much respect. Thank you.
Good but would have appreciated you showing how you would install new tuning heads with different mounting tab locations. Would you drill pilot holes? Would you use a drill press?
3.25: "it keeps the holes round, square...& clean" that's poetry bro !
I think he means tight or snug and not the shape
If my current stock tuners post height is 19mm what would happen if i installed tuners that otherwise fit but were 19.5mm instead?
Hey man, I am from the UK and I have a problem. I bought a Takemine P5J (NOT SURE IF THEY EVEN MAKE THAT MODEL NOW) Any way, I have to replace six machine heads for the Pro series, every site that had the same ones as mine had run out of stock. The nearest had an amber button on, apart from that not being just gold, it is the same. Would you go for those? I wanted to keep it as it was made, but it seems I am fast running out of options. T Y Any advice would be welcome
What a brilliant and informative video, i have some guitars i am modifying the machine heads on, i want locking ones, you have helped me so much with this lesson.
Thanks dude. Your video has helped me decide on which tuners I am going to get.
Quick question, if my guitar has 14:1 gear ratio tuners, can I install 18:1 gear ratio tuners on it?? I can’t seem to find any good looking 14:1 tuners.
Hi Stuart, I've been playing guitar since I was nine years old (near 71, now), but I ran into something I never realize existed. It has to do with replacement keys. I understand that there are to basic configurations, L3-R3 and 3+3 guitar tuning keys. However, I can find no reliable information that explains the difference between the two types of key sets. Would you mind educating me on this subject? Thanks in advance. -- Lynn
skysentinel - L3-R3 are right hand (L3) and left hand (R3) Its simple if you're dyslexic.
That black SG is awesome! That's one of my dream guitars, an SG standard with P90s.
I wanted to upgrade my gold keystone tuners on my Les Paul to locking versions. But I just decided to go with original keystone Grovers in Gibson packaging. Nothing wrong with old set. Just losing a bit of gold and I wanted to freshen it up a bit. No regrets. I used to never be a big fan of Grovers. But the ones on Gibson’s seem so much nicer. Perfect tactile feel and operation. Comparable to the Gotohs on my ESP. That’s why I got the Grovers in the “Gibson “ packaging. I don’t know if Gibson gets a better tuner than standard Grover packaged stuff. But it seriously seems that way?
Very interesting!
I have what I think are Fender Ping tuners on my Mexico Deluxe strat, but I want to upgrade them to Gotoh's vintage style locking.. but I'm not sure if they will fit.
I have never removed the original tuners so I don't really know what to look for in order to make it properly.
My wish is to just have the new ones slide in without any problem, but I'm not sure on what to look for :/
I've been mainly playing a Seagull acoustic for a long time (~7 years) and I pulled out my old Gibson dreadnought and couldn't believe how much smoother the tuners were on the Gibson than the Seagull.
Seagull tuners suck... 2 of the little plastic collars that sit between the button and the rest of the tuner broke, and it's incredibly hard to turn now. I've been putting off fixing it for a while now... but I think it's time!
I did a little more research, and I think it's because the screw on the button was tightened too tightly. Not a big deal! In fact, I shouldn't have to upgrade my tuners at all. I'll just buy replacement plastic washers. Awesome!
Best material used for a tuners? I see zinc alloy on a majority of specs of tuners.
Are their any solid brass tuners? Solid stainless steel?
These are very solid videos. Well done.
I bought a Chinese or Korean made Mustang and within the first year, had to change the tuners. I got locking tuners and it's great. All in, I have invested $410 including tax. It's a great deal on a great Fender
Hello, can you tell me the brand and model the one with indexing pin underneath the housing?
My strat has these special holes for the indexing pin, it's just one hole in the middle.
I can't find any tuners with just one indexing pin in the middle, so it could fit without any unnecessary drilling.
Thank you
Those conversion bushings are a great idea! The only thing I'd respectfully add is to use just a little lubricant on the string posts where they rub on the inner surface of the bushings. And use a little lanolin grease on the threads of rusty screws before you return them to the timber.
Why lanolin?? Stuff is sticky as all hell 😬
@@TylrVncnt Lanolin grease is great as a rust treatment, plus it doesn't run into timber grain like some other greases/oils. If you put rusty screws back into timber, there's a good chance the next luthier won't be able to get them out. The rust bonds to the timber fibres.
I own an electric sitar which includes 7 metal guitar style geared tuners but I want to upgrade to locking ones. How do I find out what ones I have or need to get? Should I take one off & send it by registered return post to a specialist seller so they can see exactly what needs to be matched? Thanks.
Much appreciated, the tuners that I ordered had those pressfit bushes and I needed a little more information on what to do. (It's a unusual instrument but it uses the same pegs as those used in ukuleles)
I have a squire affinity that has all Tele electronics. Want to change the tuners so they lock. The originals each have a single indexing pin. Would u or folks reading here suggest a replacement locking tuner (6 long, not staggered) that has only one indexing pin so I don’t have to drill please? Tnx. Very informative video.
When you have the metal Grove tuners but you want the vintage looking ones. Can you use the Grove Tuners from 4:20 with only the bottom screw? Mostly it holds in place with the big threat through the head and the small screw seems only for positioning, am I right?
conversion bushings are great. I have used them on more than one guitar.
Helpful video. I've seen one brand (maybe Hip Shot), offers a cover plate that goes between the tuning machines and the headstock and covers those old mounting holes.
This is so informative - thank you!
I love your tool box with all the stickers on it.It looks like mine.
For the sealed gear tuners, can you simply replace the knobs/buttons by unscrewing the old, and screwing in a new one? For example, I want to replace the steel buttons with white/yellow plastic buttons for their vintage look?
I'm new to guitars, if I mix match tuners, will it affect the guitar in any way? I got an old strat from my uncle and it had missing tuners, so I took 3 from a les paul pee wee and put them on it. They barely fit, but I cant test it until I get some new strings.(old ones were corroded)
I have a 1984 E series Japanese Stratocaster. I want to replace the Gotoh tuners with grovers. Does Grover make a machine head that will drop in ?
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I have a broken button on an old 90s epiphone. The tuner is okay. I am currently tuning with a pair of pliers. Anyone know if I can buy a replacement button and not the whole head?
I need 6 inline rail tuners for a mid 80's peavey patriot.
Where can i get those??
Do you guys have a drop in replacement???
Before you get into a discussion about replacing tuners, you should also talk about the mechanics of how they wear out. In my experience I never had tuners wear out, only the tuning plate which you put your fingers on but not the mechanisms itself
I bought Imperial buttons to replace the stock Grover buttons on the tuners on a Sheraton ll but the new buttons are too small. What can i do? Is there any adapter?
I had no idea Elton John knew this much about guitar tuners lol
Andrew Sandberg lol
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💀i just started watching when i read this now i cn’t unsee
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That not funny especially at 3:10 Elton John and reaming.
NICE~! I'm thinking I want a wide-neck and the best option for a righteous sound @cost (?) is to convert a classical to steel, and I definitely would like to make that tuner conversion - all the way to lockers. Ever see that??
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Are sealed gear chrome tuner heavier than the plastic open gear tuners? Lately I am into travel guitar choosing between Washburn Rover 10 or Martin Backpacker. But I want to replace their chrome tuners to reduce weight of the headstock. And plastic tuners are more airline friendly compared to the chrome one.
I was totally immersed watching this first-rate video, and I'm not even considering changing my tuners !
I think its a good video but I would suggest having something between the guitar and the table to protect the guitar.
Gerald W. Williams Looked like he had a piece of green leather between the body and the bench, and a leather sandbag under the neck.
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If using a tapered rimmer how can you get the hole the correct size completely thru the neck without over sizing the hole.
You can get those Hipshot grip lock tuners with a mounting plate you don't need to screw into the headstock, expensive but potentially save a lot of aggro.
When using the original screws, is it important for each screw to end up back in the exact hole it came from, or are they presumably interchangeable? And if they have to go back into the original holes, what measures do you take to avoid an accidental mix-up? I find it very challenging to keep components organized when taking something apart and reassembling it.
If you take the screws out and they're obviously the same screw that's been manufactured exactly the same then you can put them back into different holes and it will be fine
I have a les Paul that was made in 98 and the original tuners were Grover’s but it only had one screw that went on the bottom. The guitar is used so the previous owner took off the originals and installed vintage Grover’s with the pearled buttons. Too bad for me I like to keep it original but there was 6 more screw holes drilled and it bothered me so I went and put the vintages back on. I do like those tuners the best but I like to keep my guitars as original as possible
I have an Epiphone Les Paul Standard with the chrome grover tuners. I want to put on aged pearl tuners, tulip shaped you would see on a Gibson Les Paul. Which ones can I order that requires no drilling?
Why don't you use a jig over the peghead? I made some, and have never chipped out a veneer or any wood, since I started using them. They have a hole you line up over the bushing, clamp it down and press the bushing out. I like the Planet Waves self trimming machines, Gotoh 510 Deltas, Schaller, Waverly, & Stewmac's Golden Age are a great replacement tuning machine, or set.
Seth is an awesome name. :)
Ive two pin holes on my schector neck but fender replacement locking tuners the two pins are farther apart. I wonder what staggered chrome set will match the pinholes on the neck.
Some companies, like Graphtec, make mounting plates that match the screw holes on whatever is factory installed so you have no need to drill new holes.
How can you tell if tuners need to be replaced? My '73 SG came with a bag of original Gibson tuners. They seem mechanically sound.
Just got a 73 SG with highly necrssary/ sought after "Repaired Neck" mod. Anywho: came with installed replacement tuners and a bag with original Gibson tuners. Should I put old ones back in? How to test them for badness? Guitar won't stay in tune anyway. Could be the nut or the Bigsby or some evil curse. But new tuners didn't fix tuning problem; apparently
You are nothing like the real stew mac! ii wish we had the original stew!
Lmao you mean Dan Erlewine?
Man ive got three sets of staggered 2 pin tuners but my schector neck uses a smaller 2 pin pattern. Where can I find staggered 6 inline small 2 pin pattern for my strat? Locking?
What an amazingly crafted video.
That conversion bushing section at the end was weirdly satisfying haha
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Which tuners go where? Mine have numbers on the back (1-1,1-2,1-4) etc
I have an acoustic Fender Dg-8S, you know what kind of tuners can I put. The tuners for Fender start are the same or not?
Unfortunately, we're unable to directly cross-reference other manufacturer's technical specs for a specific make or model of instrument. We recommend removing one the tuning machines on your Fender DG-8S and measuring the diameter of the peghole. Then, compare that measurement to the specs listed on our website to see if the new tuners will fit the pegholes on your guitar. You will be able to determine if the tuners will be a direct replacement or if you will have to drill new screw mounting holes, or use our conversion bushings in the peghead.
The tuners on a Fender Stratocaster are in a 6-in-line configuration, so they will not be a direct replacement on your Fender DG-8S with a 3L/3R configuration.
Kudos on the excellent video. I was thinking you guys should offer "aged" conversion bushings (if you don't already).
I took the Grovers off my Gibson J-45 custom, they worked fine until the string tensioned
then they went so tight I couldn't turn em..
I replaced them with Schaller vintage ones, these are the bollocks, as smooth as silk at any
tension and look great on the guitar !
I have a Guild 12 string guitar that I want to change the tuners, they have back lash and
want to swap em out for a good set, but Schallers will cost me a fortune for 12, whats
a good alternative ??
Both Grover and Gotoh make tuning machines that are less expensive options, that are still high quality tuners. Unfortunately, we're not able to directly cross-reference other manufacturer's technical specs for a specific make or model of instrument. We recommend removing a tuner from your Guild and measuring the diameter of the peghole. Then, compare that measurement to the technical specs of the tuners we offer, listed on our website. You should also not the placement of any tuner mounting screw holes.
www.stewmac.com/SiteSearch/?search=Guitar%20tuning%20machines%20for%20a%20solid%20peghead&facet=%7cTUNERCFG%3a3L3R%7cTUNERCFG%3a6L6R
Where'd you get those groovy vice grips? What's the technical name of those?
Great straightforward no nonsense information Stewart. Many thanks.
Thank you for the valuable information.
It's possible to open Kluson vintage style tuners? Thanks
Good video. The callouts that were added really helped.
so all the guitar stuff is cool , but there is not hardly any videos for us bass players. Need some bass videos please. BTW you are the coolest guy at stewmac.
can tuners have different gear ratios within the same set? building a kit, and I swear they have different ratios but I'm not sure which to put where. or maybe I'm seeing things?
There's a new kid on the block called ratio tuners that matches the ratio for each string, so yes, I think Hipshot makes them.
Actually, Graphtec makes them. Yep, the same company that makes basically every guitar nut ever makes tuners
Awesome information! Thank you!
Fascinating! Thanks for posting.
My acoustic has three on a plate but those screws are so rusted. How do i remove the rusted screws?
One important thing that was overlooked is the mounting screws. Never ever strip those holes out, or if you do, what needs to be done to fix the problem. Hard to stay in tune if your tuning pegs are not firmly in place due to a stripped out mounting-screw hole.
I got a tuner tip. If you want to upgrade don't dig back in the box of old tuners you have from other times you upgraded. 2nd tip. It's worth drilling out the headstock to upgrade to locking. I got an old box of tuners from all of my Squier and Mexican strats and teles I've had over the years. I'll sell them to you if you want.
Some folks just like vintage. Let em be.
Like finding a left handed ax, finding info on left handed reverse headstock tuners is also quite a chore,,
What if I try to change grover tuners to kluson vintage style tuners? are more or less the same? answer me please...
Grover's guitar tuners require a 10mm-diameter peghole for the threaded hex bushing they use. However, vintage style Kluson tuners are going to have a press-fit bushing that will likely require a smaller 11/32"-diameter peghole. To remedy this issue you can either plug and redrill the pegholes to the new required diameter, or you could use some of our conversion bushings.
www.stewmac.com/Hardware_and_Parts/Tuning_Machines/Tuner_Parts/3_8_Conversion_Tuner_Bushing.html
You should also note the location of any tuner mounting screw holes, and measure the distance on-center from the peghole to these screw holes. Then, compare those dimensions to those of the Kluson tuners.
Great video! Nice breakdown of a lot of options to change tuners. Good food for thought. ROKKON!! \m/
Thanks for watching!
What are the best tuners for a les Paul? It’s a tokai. I think it’s based of the 1990s black Gibson but idk
Your tips are alway thorough and super. Thank you.
Well done! Great video! I upgraded a $100 guitar to a $300- $500 guitar in my opinion, function-wise, with a tuner upgrade.
Replacing PRS Phase I locking tuners with something usable....?
I have a 1987 Jackson Soloist, and I want to replace the tuners with non-staggered, locking, chrome Schallers. I believe they're the (left)M6 135, but someone told me I need the XL 21mm. Do you have a part# or link on StewMac? I'll buy them right now!
Thanks. Excellent video, too!
Unfortunately, the only 6-In-Line Locking Schaller Guitar Machines we sell is the model with the staggered post heights.
www.stewmac.com/Hardware_and_Parts/Tuning_Machines/Solid_Peghead_Guitar_Tuning_Machines/Schaller_Locking_6-In-Line_Guitar_Machines.html
Yeah, since my Soloist has a tilted-back headstock, I don't want or need staggered heights. I wonder if I called Schaller if they could help me out. I don't know what else to do. Too bad I don't speak Deutsch...
Hey, thanks for replying.
Do 'better' tuners correct for string binding such as common on the G string on LP's? Some apparently believe so...I have my doubts. Binding is a sign of poorly cut nut, not cheap tuners. Right?
Speaking specifically to the G string problem common on Les Pauls, this is most often caused by not properly splaying the nut slot. In most cases any binding of strings while tuning is either a problem at the nut or bridge slots, but bad tuners can issues as well.
Which will be the great choice for Martin omjm