@@TheCloZer11no like a conversation like sit there and talk about it cause there’s so many good pgs before cp3 you got Oscar you got John magic curry Westbrook Isiah Thomas nash and a ton more fr
Westbrook triple double averages were stat padded. The points cool, but the rebounds were definitely being fed to him, and the assists as crazy as it sounds were unnatural. If you look back, there were multiple times where Russ was passing up open shots in close games in clutch situations because he was close to 10 assists. He was literally forcing his teammates to shoot sometimes. He was losing games to force that shit. 😂
@@TheCloZer11 He did it twice. The last one was just pure effort. I'm talking about the MVP season mainly. No one said anything about the 2nd time because they knew he was padding those numbers heavy. He always plays hard, though, for sure. That's his biggest plus as a player. Sometimes he plays too hard though. 😂
How Tony Parker never gets mentioned is criminal. And sure he played with Manu, and Tim. But if u were old enough to watch this man in mid 2000s and later when he was in his absolute prime, then u know already just how unguardable this man was. At one point in his career in a season he led the league in points scored in the paint, when the league still had guys like shaq, Duncan, Garnett, etc, and he was a little guy. Iam taking Parker all damn day over CP3 easy. Parker was a winner and showed up in big games. Pure legend.
Tony Parker isn’t even better than Damian Lillard, kyrie Irving, or even peak Deron Williams respectfully. He shouldn’t sniff a top 5 point guard conversation or sniff a Chris Paul conversation and this is coming from a person that hates Chris Paul since he’s a dirty player but I can’t deny his skill set and even his accolades. I’m happy he hasn’t won a championship though😂.
Boog all the way wrong. Nash had Dirk, and stoudamire, and etc. Stockton had a top all time scorer to pass to his whole career. Cp3 only ever got to play with Harden for a couple years and would’ve won the chip had he not got hurt and we all know that. Other than that cp3 has never played with any superstars. Kd for a half of a year don’t count, warriors on the last leg don’t count, and he even took the suns to the chip with just him and d book.
Boogie played the game but either he doesn't like cp3 or he doesn't understand the game,cp3 is top 5 for sure because he made a lot of average dudes All-stars, you can't just look at stats and awards but overall impact and russ and a few of those guys didn't do what cp3 did and his impact
The problem with making top5 for point guards is that usually the point guard is the shortest guy on the team which means based on all humans, point guard is the most common position/body type So there's just more players who have played the position, it's easily the deepest position, so top15 is fine
Uhhh nah that logic doesn’t apply here 😂 every team needs 2-3 players of each position so it’s actually pretty even across the board. And PG is probably the least deep position actually. For example PG: Magic, Steph, Oscar, Zeke, Stock, Nash, Cousy, Kidd, Westbrook, Walt SG: Jordan, Kobe, Wade, Iverson, Pistol Pete, Harden, TMAC, Vince, Clyde, Gervin SF: Lebron, Bird, KD, Havlicek, Dr. J, Elgin, Scottie, Kawhi, Wilkins, Pierce PF: Duncan, KG, Giannis, Dirk, Malone, Barkley, AD, McHale, Rodman, Webber C: Wilt, Hakeem, Kareem, Shaq, Bill, Jokic, David Robinson, Moses, Wemby, Ewing, Mikan, Walton, Dwight, Embiid, and so many more… The center position is easily the deepest position. And in my opinion the PG’s have the least depth
@@squashua7222 everybody 6'4" and under has to be special and still had to work so hard to add things to their natural ability just to get a second look just to get the opportunity to show some talent because 90% of the basketball players in the world are 6'4" and under. If you think the point guard position has the weakest top10 or whatever, maybe that's because teams have been obsessed with exploiting height since George Mikan. Basketball has been inside out until recently. Steve Nash Mark Price Mahmoud Abdul Rauf would go crazy if they could shoot 12 threes a game. And on the flip side, a lot of great bigs don't shine so bright if teams were shooting 45 threes a night
CP was an incredible PG. but I respectfully agree he isn’t top 5. Top 10- I’m open to that discussion but he isn’t top 5. And that’s tough to say cause damn he is incredible!
You’re crazy that he’s better than those 3…. I’ve watched basketball since the mid 80’s, he is not in a Top 5. PG ever discussion. I’ve always liked him and rooted for him but no, not even 10.
@colinnixon7739 iDK man while CP3 may be one of the greatest game managing PGs of all time, BUT he was always hurt in the playoffs at the wrong time, was part of numerous meltdown teams. I wouldn't put westbrook above him on my list but Tony P...very similar players, not quite the distributor CP was but was a great game manager and scorer and shooter and had the rings as well. Kyrie I wouldn't put him above CP yet
Bob Cousy has to be top 5. He was an mvp, 6 time champ, led the league in assists 8 straight years, was first team all nba 10 straight years, and made the AS team every year of his career
He played when there was like 12 nba teams …. And let’s be real… he didn’t have any elite competition like any of the people named in this video …. He played against plumbers, truck drivers, and mechanics lol
@@dolo305It doesn't matter bro he still is right he dominated his competition not his fault he was more developed and ahead of his time. You can't discredit someone for a era they lived in. That's like saying Malcom X wasn't a real ninja because he wore a suit. Fool everybody wore a 2 piece suit or 1 piece suit back then😅
"We talking bout accolades,performance, chips" Whole time CP3 is -2nd all time in assist -3rd all time steals -Right behind dwade all time scoring -made the playoffs on every team he's ever played for.
Cumulative records are cool and all, but the only thing they actually show is how long a player stuck around Like just because LeBron and Kareem are 1 and 2 on the all time scoring list does that now mean they are the two greatest scorers of all time? Heck no
Dont make him wrong. Nash two MVPs puts him on another level. Kidd took his team to two finals & in PHO they took out some quality teams w him. Top 3 are guaranteed & Stockton never choked like CP3 did. Cp3 couldnt stop the bleeding of losing 20 pt lead when team was up 3-1 to HOU. Rockets came back w Harden on the bench. HOU didnt take it, Clippers gave it away. Russ could take it over him if you like stats & parker played better within a system. Oscar is better than Russ. The Glove had a 63 win team in the finals & was DPOY locking up MJ. We can keep going.
There’s really a lot of weirdos on here trying to say CP3 isn’t top 5 PGs and it’s irritating seeing it. I’m not gone list everything for you but I’ll list a few and you can do your own research and compare it to your favorite PGs like Kyrie, Westbrook and Rose. -2nd All time assist (5 assist titles) -3rd All time assist (won the most ever steal titles with 6) -1st in Assist/TO ratio -36th in all time points -1 finals appearance @36 y/o (2 conf finals appearances) -6 seasons averaging at least 15 pts and 10 ast -11x all NBA (4x first team) -9x all Defensive team -12x all star -2006 ROY -EVERY team he has played statistically wins MORE, EVERY TEAM HES ON A lot of ya are willfully lying and/or blatantly ignorant when it comes to CP3s greatness but I digress. Ya can carry on with ya stupid takes ig 🤷🏽♂️
Underrated Top 5 PG. Elevated every team he went to towards Championship Contention. Only Magic Johnson, Oscar Robertson, Jason Kidd, and Zeke were better than CP3. He was a carry job. Nash is overrated who didn’t deserve any of his MVPs, Steph’s not a true PG and Westrbrook’s the most overrated PG of all time. Stat padded with zero Basketball IQ.
I agree with you. People disrespect CP3 like he really not one of them ones. Everybody keep talking about MVPs but its more to it then that. You already dropped his list of accomplishments so I don't need to repeat it. Chris Paul got a lot of other players paid as well. He's a real PG because of how he plays the game not just because of his size. I just think people don't appreciate his greatness
Dumb. On a team youre picking cp3 over steph, magic, stockton, westbrook, O robinson, j kidd? If you say you would you a damn lie. Nobody on the planet is taken that shi.
Bro your talking about all time greats. Everybody accomplishments look like that. Hes great but just not top 5. Steph, stockton, westbrook, magic, and zeke are all clear locks. Hes kinda like Carmelo Anthony to me. All time great numbers but no legacy behind it to push him over everybody else
1. Magic 2. Steph 3. Isaiah 4. Big O. 5 ? Take your pick. If you say Stockton I understand but CP is in the running. Chris Paul and LeBron James are the only people in the 20,000 point 10, 000 assist club. That’s it. CP never won an MVP but he was top 10 8 times. In New Orleans and the Clippers CP could score and assist with the best of em. He definitely had some playoff failures. But teams he led constantly ended up in the playoffs.To me number 5 pg could be CP, Stockton, or JKidd. To say he’s not in the running doesn’t pass the eye and stats test.
Totally agree. You could argue 10...and that's not a knock. It's just that PG is the deepest position historically. Magic, Stockton, curry, nash, zeke, Kidd, D rose, Big O, Gary payton, & AI all have an argument.
@@wannabegolfin24-72 no, you’re right CP is awesome, but the league has seen It’s fair share of phenomenal guards. So much so that I’m not sure why folks were putting him in a top five to begin with. Top five of his draft class, maybe. Top five of the decade he entered the league, maybe. But not top five of all time.
Each of those mentioned point guards brings a different skillset to the table. It’s a matter of which skillset would you want to build your team around
@@jrnew1970 Chris Paul avg 10+ assists for 7 seasons in his career. Stockton did that 10 times, 8x at 11+, 5xs at 13.5+. The guy was averaging more than CP's highest season for about half his career. He averaged 14+ twice, and only missed 22 games in 19 seasons. Give me Stockton everyday.
@@Pangea_7Houston was meh. Let's be real, they were good, but they weren't winning shit. Also he got injured when they were gonna make the finals. Then the team completely shit the bed without him. And the Suns were also good, but they were not ready.
He’s the best dual threat pg ever, he’s a consistent 20 n 10, while leading the league in steals and bein 1st team all defense, how many pgs can say dat ? None except him to
Nash OVER Paul is crazy when CP3 has done that man MVP season 3 times and got no votes. Nash got a pity trophy. TWICE bc 19 18 points ain't it with 11 Assist. Cp3 has done 21 and 11 with less talent. DC is a KNOWN CP3 hater. CP3 has the BEST ASSIST to Turnover ratio. No PG has a higher one. No one has played the PG POSITION better.
Doesn't really matter honestly. CP3 still isn't top 5. Magic Curry Stockton Zeke Russ/Nash/Kidd/Kyrie/Dame/ Cp doesn't beat the top 3. We start there. He doesn't beat Zeke nor Russ out. And he barely makes his case against Nash, O-Rob, GP, Kidd, Kyrie or Dame. As insane as it sounds for the top three assists man, he doesn't have any hardware that sets him apart from basically everyone on the list. Stockton is the exception because he has basically unbreakable records.
Chris Paul is a really good player that has never won, and doesn’t have the resume of other PGs he’s compared to. That does not take away from his accomplishments and/or his legacy. But truthfully, when ranking guys of the same positions against each other, you have to give the edge to MVP award winners, scoring titles winners and those who have compiled stats that are nearly untouchable. Also, I would say a huge factor is the way a players style of play effected the game overall. Again, CP3 is a really good player, but there are quite a few PGs ahead of him, keeping out of the top 5.
Iverson!!! 🔥🔥🔥 To me TOP 3: Magic, Steph, Iverson. To me TOP 5: TOP 3 + Penny, Kyrie. To me Honorable mentions: Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Isiah Thomas, Stephon Marbury, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, John Stockton.
Steph is not a traditional point guard. He's literally a 2 guard. Neither is Westbrook. CP3 is a point guard. Now i agree that there's guys ahead of him but mostly because of his size and injury history. Shout out to Rhondo. Playoff Rhondo was a real thing. There's very few players that got better in the playoffs. And Rhondo is on that very short list. And 2 championships.
U don’t get to create narratives because u don’t agree with the style of play. There is no defitive definition of what a point guard is. Steph is a lead guard. There is no technicality here.
If you are not running the offense, then you are not a point guard. You can’t be running around screens trying to get open to shoot if you are a point guard. That’s like saying Kyle korver was a point guard. Nope. Sorry.
@firstlast9916 just because he doesn't fit your definition of a point guard, doesn't mean he's not a point guard. You are not the epitome of basketball knowledge. Go back to your 9 to 5
He's a 12-time NBA All-Star, five-time assists leader, and six-time steals leader. In 2021, Paul became the first player in NBA history to record 20,000 points and 10,000 assists in their career. It's easier to argue he is, than he is not.
@@darkmasage Your standard is waaaaaaay to high. 2x MVP is still zero for you? Also, Nash run 7 of the top 20 most efficient offensive teams in NBA history.
Magic, Steph, Big O, Zeke, Stockton are top 5 The next tier is CP3, Kidd, Nash, Payton, Westbrook, Kyrie, D-Rose, Penny, and Dame in no order. Luka and SGA will probably pass all of them by the time they retire.
Cp3 quits on his team a lot. Cp3 just a cool kid in the group that gets recognized bc he's cool with everybody... Similar to melo, dude was good, but did nothing to get the hype that surrounded him. He just gets shout outs bc he's in the cool clique. Not bc he's actually won anything.
This the list. I'm definitely taking Kidd over Nash. Nash and CP3 are equals in my opinion. I may take Rondo over CP3 but you can't go wrong with CP3. He definitely not taking those Nets teams to back to back finals. He could've done EXACTLY what Nash did in Phoenix under D'Antoni. He's not doing what Parker did in San Antonio either.
The hate for Chris Paul is a little out of control granted, he is not top five point guards of all time at all but you have to admit some players make teams better but Chris Paul has made organizations better! Plus you could argue Chris Paul did have a MVP run with Oklahoma City Thunder at 34... Judge players in their prime man not on their down slope. He's top 20 of all time, that's a solid career 🎉
Nash was the perfect PG. Wasn’t selfish with the ball & had elite court vision/game IQ. There’s a reason that team could not function without him. He was the floor general for his team.
Nash and Kidd had weaknesses on different sides of the ball but cp3 didn’t. He’s the most complete pg ever. How doesn’t cp3 not clear them??? Nash gets 1 mvp but 2 is goofy. Cp3 mvp was stolen by Kobe and no Kobe shouldn’t have deserved more mvps. Name the years if you think so, don’t just say it. Westbrook stats might look amazing but he’s horrible at the point. He’s a double edged sword and his mvp should have went to harden. There’s no way Jokic almost has 4 mvps but harden has 1. Russ kept getting triple doubles but no more mvps. Maybe I’m crazy or he shouldn’t have ever had 1 to begin with. Y’all gave Nash 2 for doing the same thing but not Russ????? Stockton was never the lead on his team. He always choked. Cp3 never choked. His teammates always choked. Do y’all watch the games????? Steph isn’t a point. He’s an undersized 2 being hidden at the 1. If he isn’t making shots he gives you nothing which means no pg qualities. Magic doesn’t even need to score and he’s a great pg, hell he’s a great player. CP3 easily top 5 and why don’t y’all ever have Jerry west on the pg lists?????
I respect your opinion even i dont agree in most of thr things you mentioned but about Stockton you are straight up wrong. Stockton was the leader and engine of the Jazz, was a better defender than CP3, went twice in a row to the nba finals, not too mention that in the same amount of years in the league, gave more than 3000 more assists than CP3. CP3 is an amazing player all around and has made better every team he played in but you are off about Stockton
@ Stockton wasn’t the leader of the jazz. That was Karl’s team. It took for the west to die out for Karl and John to make the finals. If John was the player people make him out to be then not only would they have won titles during Hakeem back to back but they would of beat the bulls also. They should have at least 2 rings. Stockton played in a system that elevated his stats but you can’t find a single playoff game and say yeah John took over. All nba pgs would have monster totals if they had his durability. By that logic then lebron is the goat right???
@@joejett5084 Most of your arguments have nothing to do with Stockton as a player. As anyone that saw those Jazz teams everything started with John Stockton, which i didnt mentioned before is a better shooter than CP3. Dont get this wrong, I love CP3 as anyone who loves basketball, great skill, one the great pg all around but as I said your comments on why he should be ahead of Stockton are off. About Stockton durability, CP3 has played the exact same amount of seasons already and he is on his way to play more seasons than him. He is not even close to the number of assists Stockton had and is not because CP3 hasnt played with awesome scorers. And somehow LeBron is in the conversation and no LeBron wont be my GOAT but i completely understand people that say he is, the run he has had is something unseen even his haters cant denied is something unbelivable.
I think the idea the Paul was top 5 faded as the league as a whole surpassed him . Particularly the coming of curry Kyrie Westbrook . If Chris Paul career had taken the trajectory it at once’s seemed it would , he could be the best Pg of all time . A lot of it is lack of fortune and some of it is lack of size and good surroundings. The teams that tried to build around him either fell apart tragically or impatiently . Or they didn’t fully buy into him being the leader of the team until it became too late .
ABSOLUTE PROOF that just because you played, doesn't mean you know anything. Steph is a combo/ scoring guard. His contribution to championship teams is based on his scoring not passing. CP3 made EVERY team he played for exponentially better. NOBODY is picking Westbrook as their PG. He got a participation MVP. That ENTIRE LIST only 3 of them were the playmaker AND best player on their team. Magic Isiah Paul West/Oscar Stockton Kidd The next ones are debatable.
1. Magic 2. Steph 3. Zeke 4. Stockton 5. CP3 6. Nash 7. Kidd 8. Payton 9. Westbrook 10. Kyrie/Dame/Parker The all time goat PG list is a very deep one. It's one of the deepest positions in terms of depth. There's been a lot of all time great PGs. Then you also got guys that are top 10 in terms of skill like D.Rose and Penny but had shortened primes because of injuries.
Ive seen stockton throw a bad pass and ran across court stole ball back pass to Malone easy money Stockton is the greatest passer and 1 ever and he PLAYED DEFENSE
I like Cp3 back in Hornets and Clippers and after that i was done watching him...he was doing the same thing which is good. It shows consistency but he never leveled up.
The Answer even though everyone has the pg at sg led the league in steals multiple times drafted a pg giving only 7 assists but look at what he worked with
Rondo, he the only one outside the top 3 that’s actually won. He’s a multi time all star, as much of a “pure point” that can be said, and has lead or been an pivotal point of any team he’s played for success
If the topic is traditional PG's, NOT having Chris Paul in your top 5 is damn near hate. You can't name 5 PG's who played the position traditionally who were better at it than Chris Paul. Magic, Zeke, and Stockton are there without a thought. But after that you could argue Chris Paul is 4. No disrespect to Nash and Kidd, but they're not better PG's than Paul. Injuries at the worst possible times is why people view him the way they do. But if we're strictly talking about ability+production on the court, you can't name 5 better PG's than Chris Paul.
@@TiagoGomez-hb9te I personally think he's the best but it's hard to argue against Magic and Zeke's rings, and Stockton's absurd career totals. But just watching the game, it's hard to argue anybody has done it better than him on both sides of the ball. People usually tend to throw defense out the window in these discussions though.
@@Mr_HappyToBeHere Only 4 PGs are arguably than CP3. CP3 just suffered terribly from bad luck especially in the playoffs with injuries and his teammates not showing up. He’s still better than overrated PGs like Steve Nash, Ben Simmons, Damian Lillard and especially Russell Westbrook. Only player who can contend with CP3 as a Pure PG is Magic Johnson and even then that’s a huge maybe…
Boogie raised a good point, but I guess the narrative has always been IF we look at it from a playmaker's perspective. While mostly modern point guards nowadays are more focused on scoring more, true playmakers who focus on making good ball distribution (ex: Stockton, Kidd, Nash and Rondo) are valued, and CP, who is 2nd all-time in assists with relatively low turnovers per game with just 2.3 deserved to be top tier playmaker conversations. If we talk about the achievements and accolades such as MVPs and rings, CP is nowhere near those guys. But we need to agree that CP did better playmaking than great guards such as AI, Kai, Rose, Steph and more others.
CP is a winner. every team he went to he made A LOT better. not everyone can win a chip but he should be above some guys thst won mVP. Top 5 is still a debate with Magic, Steph, Oscar, Kidd, Nash, CP, Payton (especially on both ends), Zeke, Luka (5 times all nba firstcteamer… more than Steph), all in the mix
As a New Orleans sports fan it’s sad that CP3 had to spend most of his prime with us and the Clippers David Stern hated on him big time he wins at least 1 with Kobe we all know that people sleep on how elite CP3 was on defense also
No mentioning of Oscar Robertson is wild.
He wasnt a true pg he was a more natural scorer
@@Coolhandchris5
So is Steph, your point is what exactly? Big O is top 5 definitely
@@Coolhandchris5how??? He used to average double digit assists 😂 you don't know ball
More than steph@@Coolhandchris5
It was before his time. He doesn't know any players before the 80s
Boogie is a dope. Stockton Is all time assists, and steals leader. He’s top 5 no doubt.
He mentioned him as one of the 3 permanent top 5s
@ No he did not. Stockton was mentioned as, “then we have to start having a discussion.”
@@SquidGunman yeah a dope head 🤪🥴
@@TheCloZer11no like a conversation like sit there and talk about it cause there’s so many good pgs before cp3 you got Oscar you got John magic curry Westbrook Isiah Thomas nash and a ton more fr
@jojostorm yeah I know. I've been trying to highlight a lot of names that folks don't wanna give a shout to.
Oscar Robertson
1961-62
Averaged 30 points, 12 rebounds, 11 assists
( Entire season)
Russell Westbrook averaged a triple double :
2016-17
2018-19
2021-22
Westbrook triple double averages were stat padded. The points cool, but the rebounds were definitely being fed to him, and the assists as crazy as it sounds were unnatural. If you look back, there were multiple times where Russ was passing up open shots in close games in clutch situations because he was close to 10 assists. He was literally forcing his teammates to shoot sometimes. He was losing games to force that shit. 😂
@JROCK50054 2016-17
2018-19
2021-22
That's 3 seasons that he averaged triple doubles. Can't fake 3 different seasons.
@JROCK50054 And you can't fake effort. You should have paid attention to how hard he was playing during that window of time
@@TheCloZer11 He did it twice. The last one was just pure effort. I'm talking about the MVP season mainly. No one said anything about the 2nd time because they knew he was padding those numbers heavy. He always plays hard, though, for sure. That's his biggest plus as a player. Sometimes he plays too hard though. 😂
@JROCK50054 this year with the nuggets he's averaging about 12-4-6
How Tony Parker never gets mentioned is criminal. And sure he played with Manu, and Tim. But if u were old enough to watch this man in mid 2000s and later when he was in his absolute prime, then u know already just how unguardable this man was. At one point in his career in a season he led the league in points scored in the paint, when the league still had guys like shaq, Duncan, Garnett, etc, and he was a little guy. Iam taking Parker all damn day over CP3 easy. Parker was a winner and showed up in big games. Pure legend.
He was insane. Underrated cuz he played with Tim.
Tony is not a great PG. he a scorer man. & not Steph level at that
Still not top 5 though
Tony Parker isn’t even better than Damian Lillard, kyrie Irving, or even peak Deron Williams respectfully. He shouldn’t sniff a top 5 point guard conversation or sniff a Chris Paul conversation and this is coming from a person that hates Chris Paul since he’s a dirty player but I can’t deny his skill set and even his accolades. I’m happy he hasn’t won a championship though😂.
Honestly ask yourself what cp3 could've done with manu and Duncan. Stop the cap
This really a good conversation to have but it hard to keep him out of the top 5. If you define what is a point guard
Boogie is right
Wrong
@thelivetable Paul is not top 5.
@@trevorcunningham8687 Pure PGs … it’s debatable but he’s up there.
Boog all the way wrong. Nash had Dirk, and stoudamire, and etc. Stockton had a top all time scorer to pass to his whole career. Cp3 only ever got to play with Harden for a couple years and would’ve won the chip had he not got hurt and we all know that. Other than that cp3 has never played with any superstars. Kd for a half of a year don’t count, warriors on the last leg don’t count, and he even took the suns to the chip with just him and d book.
Boogie played the game but either he doesn't like cp3 or he doesn't understand the game,cp3 is top 5 for sure because he made a lot of average dudes All-stars, you can't just look at stats and awards but overall impact and russ and a few of those guys didn't do what cp3 did and his impact
The problem with making top5 for point guards is that usually the point guard is the shortest guy on the team which means based on all humans, point guard is the most common position/body type
So there's just more players who have played the position, it's easily the deepest position, so top15 is fine
Phenomenal point
Uhhh nah that logic doesn’t apply here 😂 every team needs 2-3 players of each position so it’s actually pretty even across the board. And PG is probably the least deep position actually. For example
PG: Magic, Steph, Oscar, Zeke, Stock, Nash, Cousy, Kidd, Westbrook, Walt
SG: Jordan, Kobe, Wade, Iverson, Pistol Pete, Harden, TMAC, Vince, Clyde, Gervin
SF: Lebron, Bird, KD, Havlicek, Dr. J, Elgin, Scottie, Kawhi, Wilkins, Pierce
PF: Duncan, KG, Giannis, Dirk, Malone, Barkley, AD, McHale, Rodman, Webber
C: Wilt, Hakeem, Kareem, Shaq, Bill, Jokic, David Robinson, Moses, Wemby, Ewing, Mikan, Walton, Dwight, Embiid, and so many more…
The center position is easily the deepest position. And in my opinion the PG’s have the least depth
@@squashua7222 everybody 6'4" and under has to be special and still had to work so hard to add things to their natural ability just to get a second look just to get the opportunity to show some talent because 90% of the basketball players in the world are 6'4" and under.
If you think the point guard position has the weakest top10 or whatever, maybe that's because teams have been obsessed with exploiting height since George Mikan. Basketball has been inside out until recently.
Steve Nash Mark Price Mahmoud Abdul Rauf would go crazy if they could shoot 12 threes a game.
And on the flip side, a lot of great bigs don't shine so bright if teams were shooting 45 threes a night
Ok but whose the best one tho??
@@barneybarnes7134curry or magic
The Glove, Gary Payton, was awesome to watch back in the day. He's at least top 10. The man had mad game 💯🔥
He's my top 3 players ever, I loved GP. I felt he was the best PG in the NBA at his peak.
Imagine it took the NBA Commissioner to stop CP3 from getting those accolades. We all know if CP3 joined Kobe, Kobe would've reached MJ in rings😂
Dawg its so easy to keep forgetting about J Kidd but damn, when i see his highlights, i completely am quickly reminded. That damn pass tho 😂
Respect for CP3 true hall of fame that facts 💯 🔥💯💯💯
CP3 elevates his teams play so much. Its the stuff you can’t really record on a stat sheet that he does so well
I would argue all the aforementioned PGs raise the players around them.
That’s every great PG.
John stockton didn't win season mvp
@@jamesevans6271or a ring but you don’t have to when you’re the record holder in assists one of the main attributes of a point guard 🤦🏽♂️
@jamesevans6271 but he all time in assist and steals.. thts All Time sir. As in everyone tht has ever played the game..
"Penny, Penny, Penny, Penny!"- Lil Penny
Nah that dude is in a different list, the greatest what ifs
@nassiglutt6587 Regardless, he was better than a few on the list! A small few!
Yea..Penny was a unicorn...just got injured
Naw he only had 3 great years.. Dude stayed hurt to much
@@michaelmckenzie6311 he's not on the same level as anyone mentioned...let alone better.
CP was an incredible PG. but I respectfully agree he isn’t top 5. Top 10- I’m open to that discussion but he isn’t top 5. And that’s tough to say cause damn he is incredible!
Those 5 then Russ Oscar Harden Tony Parker heck even Rajpn Rondo I'll take lol
@@M3_86Harden, TP and Rondo arent better than CP3 lmaoo
@ they definitely are. Tony Parker turned out in the finals like cp3 never could. Harden for sure is better than cp3 all time. Maybe rondo though lol
Ill take Hornets CP3 except Steph/Magic/Zeke
Just to see its ppl out here that’s debating wit actual facts is so refreshing 😂😂😂facts over feelings 💯⁉️
Kyrie, Tony Parker, Gary Payton
CP3 better than all dem
You’re crazy that he’s better than those 3…. I’ve watched basketball since the mid 80’s, he is not in a Top 5. PG ever discussion. I’ve always liked him and rooted for him but no, not even 10.
@constantinekoumantos3059 you watching and have no idea what you looking at.
I think there are too many great point guards but cp3 being top 5 maybe top 10
@colinnixon7739 iDK man while CP3 may be one of the greatest game managing PGs of all time, BUT he was always hurt in the playoffs at the wrong time, was part of numerous meltdown teams. I wouldn't put westbrook above him on my list but Tony P...very similar players, not quite the distributor CP was but was a great game manager and scorer and shooter and had the rings as well. Kyrie I wouldn't put him above CP yet
Derrick Rose has an MVP. Are we putting him ahead of CP3? I think not
Only due to health, that version of Rose was a better player 100%
Healthy Rose was way better than cp3 lol foh
DRose was way better the CP3! Every time they matched Rose cooked him! But... CP3 had a longer career so...
@@AbsurdHer8Same thing with Penny. Prime Penny was better than prime Rose who was better than prime CP3.
@@Regularguy92better at what?
Bob Cousy has to be top 5. He was an mvp, 6 time champ, led the league in assists 8 straight years, was first team all nba 10 straight years, and made the AS team every year of his career
He played when there was like 12 nba teams …. And let’s be real… he didn’t have any elite competition like any of the people named in this video …. He played against plumbers, truck drivers, and mechanics lol
@@dolo305It doesn't matter bro he still is right he dominated his competition not his fault he was more developed and ahead of his time. You can't discredit someone for a era they lived in. That's like saying Malcom X wasn't a real ninja because he wore a suit. Fool everybody wore a 2 piece suit or 1 piece suit back then😅
Strictly accolades, yeah. Anything else, fugget about it
@@clarencesmith467lmao I love your analogy because I love Malcolm x
Dennis Johnson is another. Bird and McHale scored most the points but DJ ran the team
CP should've been a mvp when he played in New Orleans but they wasn't gonna give it to somebody in a small struggling market.
"We talking bout accolades,performance, chips"
Whole time CP3 is -2nd all time in assist
-3rd all time steals
-Right behind dwade all time scoring
-made the playoffs on every team he's ever played for.
Underrated player
Last year he didn’t make the playoffs tbh for the warriors.
Cumulative records are cool and all, but the only thing they actually show is how long a player stuck around
Like just because LeBron and Kareem are 1 and 2 on the all time scoring list does that now mean they are the two greatest scorers of all time? Heck no
Stockton leader in assist
Steve nash 2 time mvp
Jason.kid champion and to finals twice
Zeke champion back to back
Magic 5 time champion .
@@modernway91who fault is that? Steph Curry he's the best player on the team Chris Paul is 40 past his best
Oscar, Magic, Stockton, Kidd, Nash, Curry, GP, MVP Rose
Rose isn't even top 20. Lay off the crack pipe.
Payton is not better than Kyrie
Not having Zeke on that list is sacrilege.
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Basketball is offense AND defense, Payton is definitely ahead of Kyrie
Boogie definitely hates Chris Paul. He tore his ACL on a play with CP
Dont make him wrong.
Nash two MVPs puts him on another level.
Kidd took his team to two finals & in PHO they took out some quality teams w him.
Top 3 are guaranteed & Stockton never choked like CP3 did. Cp3 couldnt stop the bleeding of losing 20 pt lead when team was up 3-1 to HOU. Rockets came back w Harden on the bench. HOU didnt take it, Clippers gave it away.
Russ could take it over him if you like stats & parker played better within a system.
Oscar is better than Russ. The Glove had a 63 win team in the finals & was DPOY locking up MJ. We can keep going.
@@capitanawesome44you’re spreading misinformation. If u called you on it you’d be completely embarrassed
@capitanawesome44 they say nash shouldn't have won one of those tho
@@capitanawesome44guy from the 60s better than Russ? Unless we’re talking wilt or bill russel gtfoh
@@SwuadeTVwho should have?
BS
Magic, Zeke, Steph, Nash, Stockton, Oscar, Kidd, Wesbrook, Tony Parker, Cp3
Oscar wasn’t a pg, and you never watched him play. You a clown
TP was the man for real
You'd take Zeke over Steph in today's game?
@@EternityMTCyes he was! What was he then? PG
Archibald
There’s really a lot of weirdos on here trying to say CP3 isn’t top 5 PGs and it’s irritating seeing it. I’m not gone list everything for you but I’ll list a few and you can do your own research and compare it to your favorite PGs like Kyrie, Westbrook and Rose.
-2nd All time assist (5 assist titles)
-3rd All time assist (won the most ever steal titles with 6)
-1st in Assist/TO ratio
-36th in all time points
-1 finals appearance @36 y/o (2 conf finals appearances)
-6 seasons averaging at least 15 pts and 10 ast
-11x all NBA (4x first team)
-9x all Defensive team
-12x all star
-2006 ROY
-EVERY team he has played statistically wins MORE, EVERY TEAM HES ON
A lot of ya are willfully lying and/or blatantly ignorant when it comes to CP3s greatness but I digress. Ya can carry on with ya stupid takes ig 🤷🏽♂️
Underrated Top 5 PG. Elevated every team he went to towards Championship Contention. Only Magic Johnson, Oscar Robertson, Jason Kidd, and Zeke were better than CP3. He was a carry job. Nash is overrated who didn’t deserve any of his MVPs, Steph’s not a true PG and Westrbrook’s the most overrated PG of all time. Stat padded with zero Basketball IQ.
I agree with you. People disrespect CP3 like he really not one of them ones. Everybody keep talking about MVPs but its more to it then that. You already dropped his list of accomplishments so I don't need to repeat it. Chris Paul got a lot of other players paid as well. He's a real PG because of how he plays the game not just because of his size. I just think people don't appreciate his greatness
Dumb. On a team youre picking cp3 over steph, magic, stockton, westbrook, O robinson, j kidd? If you say you would you a damn lie. Nobody on the planet is taken that shi.
Exactly and Steve Nash, Jason Kidd , and John Stockton NEVER averaged 20 ppg and 10 assists for a season
Bro your talking about all time greats. Everybody accomplishments look like that. Hes great but just not top 5. Steph, stockton, westbrook, magic, and zeke are all clear locks. Hes kinda like Carmelo Anthony to me. All time great numbers but no legacy behind it to push him over everybody else
1. Magic 2. Steph 3. Isaiah 4. Big O. 5 ? Take your pick. If you say Stockton I understand but CP is in the running. Chris Paul and LeBron James are the only people in the 20,000 point 10, 000 assist club. That’s it. CP never won an MVP but he was top 10 8 times. In New Orleans and the Clippers CP could score and assist with the best of em. He definitely had some playoff failures. But teams he led constantly ended up in the playoffs.To me number 5 pg could be CP, Stockton, or JKidd. To say he’s not in the running doesn’t pass the eye and stats test.
Nothing wrong with being a top 10 PG.
Is Harden considered a PG? Is Luka?
Ohhhh, in the full segment they asked about Bron as well 🤔🤔🤔
If Magic is a PG, I don't see why LBJ isn't.
@@dmi33 he plays point well but he traditionally isn't a point. Tim Duncan on Center type argument.
@@dmi33magic was a floor general averaged 11 ast a game. Not the same. I love both those players
Harden will be in history as sg not pg
If your going by the beginning of the nba to current. There are alot of great points guards. It's really hard to filter them out.
You're* not your 😢
I don’t know how they got on that conversation, but Boogie is correct. There are more than five guards that have had better Careers than CP
Totally agree. You could argue 10...and that's not a knock. It's just that PG is the deepest position historically. Magic, Stockton, curry, nash, zeke, Kidd, D rose, Big O, Gary payton, & AI all have an argument.
@@wannabegolfin24-72 no, you’re right CP is awesome, but the league has seen It’s fair share of phenomenal guards. So much so that I’m not sure why folks were putting him in a top five to begin with. Top five of his draft class, maybe. Top five of the decade he entered the league, maybe. But not top five of all time.
Cp 3 not even top 10
@@wannabegolfin24-72Gary has no argument and did you really just say rose? Please stop. Rose is my mans but stop.
@@wannabegolfin24-72and ai doesn’t count. He’s a 2
Each of those mentioned point guards brings a different skillset to the table. It’s a matter of which skillset would you want to build your team around
I'm taking CP3 over Westbrook any day. I don't care how many MVPs or triple doubles Westbrook has.
CP3 has the superpower of carrying whatever bad team he goes to towards Championship contention
Na he just has some absolute stars in front of him the talent ahead of him is undeniable
Steph is not a true point guard. Putting him with those other players just doesn't make sense. He's a small scoring 2, like A.I! 🤦🏾♂️😒
Their official position is all that matters. Get your feelings out of it
What a goofy comment. 😒🤦🏾♂️
He actually has a point. You Steph fans are in your feelings. If you don't know the duties of a PG just say so
He’s right though why is AI definitely a 2 guard but Steph isn’t?
Bron aint ain’t a small forward then
Tim AND Penny Hard away, Gary Payton and Rondo 👌🏿
Rondo? 😂
Bro this PG list is trash
@@trump45and2zig-zagsyes Rondo, you heard him
Bruh RONDO LMAOOOO😂😂😂😂
@@rashaudrobertson6357 you just as goofy! Lol
I agree with Boogie 💯👍💪😎
Magic - Steph - Isiah - Stockton - past that it gets shaky
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TONY PARKER
Oh if anyone ever has said cp is better than Stockton they are fools who do not understand this sport they are talking about.
Go look at there career stats they’re actually pretty similar, besides the fact that CP has a little bit more accomplishments. Nice try tho
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@@jrnew1970they’re not similar lol they’re not even close
@jrnew1970 Stockton holds the record for most career assists and steals, lol nice try tho lolol 😉
@@jrnew1970 Chris Paul avg 10+ assists for 7 seasons in his career. Stockton did that 10 times, 8x at 11+, 5xs at 13.5+. The guy was averaging more than CP's highest season for about half his career. He averaged 14+ twice, and only missed 22 games in 19 seasons. Give me Stockton everyday.
Oscar Robertson and Westbrook over Chris Paul any day
Injuries and bad organizations fucked up CP3… New Orleans/OKC CP3 was special
Idk bruh. CP has had some championship level teams and couldn't get the job done. Houston and PHX was prime time for him and he couldn't get it done
@@Pangea_7Houston was meh. Let's be real, they were good, but they weren't winning shit. Also he got injured when they were gonna make the finals. Then the team completely shit the bed without him. And the Suns were also good, but they were not ready.
@@Pangea_7I know Steph was going crazy but I feel like CP3 should’ve got at least ONE ring with that stacked Clippers squad he was on.
Special doesn't mean top 5... lots of Point Gaurds were Special.
Which teammates did he make better? 🤷🏽♂️
If you want to include injuries than Rose was better than cp3😂
Chris Paul won mvp before with the pelicans what he talking about
Cp3 is undoubtedly top 5 pg ever there’s no argument for anyone to knock him out
Why do you say this?
@@TiagoGomez-hb9te his resume speaks for itself, y r u not saying this ?
@@TrivicalMC How is he Top 5?
He’s the best dual threat pg ever, he’s a consistent 20 n 10, while leading the league in steals and bein 1st team all defense, how many pgs can say dat ? None except him to
Nash OVER Paul is crazy when CP3 has done that man MVP season 3 times and got no votes. Nash got a pity trophy. TWICE bc 19 18 points ain't it with 11 Assist. Cp3 has done 21 and 11 with less talent. DC is a KNOWN CP3 hater. CP3 has the BEST ASSIST to Turnover ratio. No PG has a higher one. No one has played the PG POSITION better.
Facts…just a bunch wimpy CP haters out there for some reason
And Nash NEVER went to the Finals
no thing such as pity mvp...
Doesn't really matter honestly. CP3 still isn't top 5.
Magic
Curry
Stockton
Zeke
Russ/Nash/Kidd/Kyrie/Dame/
Cp doesn't beat the top 3. We start there. He doesn't beat Zeke nor Russ out. And he barely makes his case against Nash, O-Rob, GP, Kidd, Kyrie or Dame.
As insane as it sounds for the top three assists man, he doesn't have any hardware that sets him apart from basically everyone on the list. Stockton is the exception because he has basically unbreakable records.
@@JCHR74dame is not better than cp3. He’s a better scorer that’s it. Dame not even a better OVERALL player than jrue holiday.
I agreed right up until they put Westbrick over CP3 as a point Guard.
And no zeke
Chris Paul is a really good player that has never won, and doesn’t have the resume of other PGs he’s compared to.
That does not take away from his accomplishments and/or his legacy. But truthfully, when ranking guys of the same positions against each other, you have to give the edge to MVP award winners, scoring titles winners and those who have compiled stats that are nearly untouchable.
Also, I would say a huge factor is the way a players style of play effected the game overall.
Again, CP3 is a really good player, but there are quite a few PGs ahead of him, keeping out of the top 5.
@@n.dewayneb9258 Every PG that won had a superstar with them, if Chris Paul would’ve made it to the Lakers it’d be a different story.
Name them
@@TheIcemanthomas Parker, magic, Kidd , Payton, kyrie curry
@@joel8692 Pure PGs not SG playing PG
Iverson!!! 🔥🔥🔥 To me TOP 3: Magic, Steph, Iverson. To me TOP 5: TOP 3 + Penny, Kyrie. To me Honorable mentions: Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Isiah Thomas, Stephon Marbury, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, John Stockton.
But Chris Paul won 2 NBA rings. 1 in the bubble.
Steph is not a traditional point guard. He's literally a 2 guard. Neither is Westbrook. CP3 is a point guard. Now i agree that there's guys ahead of him but mostly because of his size and injury history. Shout out to Rhondo. Playoff Rhondo was a real thing. There's very few players that got better in the playoffs. And Rhondo is on that very short list. And 2 championships.
U don’t get to create narratives because u don’t agree with the style of play. There is no defitive definition of what a point guard is. Steph is a lead guard. There is no technicality here.
Truth. Even Rondo better than Chris the choker Paul
Steph has never played the 2 in his career 😂 ..just cause the man is the greatest shooter of all time, doesn't make him a 2.. tf outta here
If you are not running the offense, then you are not a point guard. You can’t be running around screens trying to get open to shoot if you are a point guard. That’s like saying Kyle korver was a point guard. Nope. Sorry.
@firstlast9916 just because he doesn't fit your definition of a point guard, doesn't mean he's not a point guard. You are not the epitome of basketball knowledge. Go back to your 9 to 5
Remember that time CP3 got traded to the Lakers? This conversation would be different if the NBA didn't veto the trade.
He's a 12-time NBA All-Star, five-time assists leader, and six-time steals leader. In 2021, Paul became the first player in NBA history to record 20,000 points and 10,000 assists in their career. It's easier to argue he is, than he is not.
But he’s never won shit
@@DEIONCARTER21Steve Nash ain’t win shit either
Only due to longevity. His longevity doesn't even have durability.
@@darkmasage Your standard is waaaaaaay to high. 2x MVP is still zero for you? Also, Nash run 7 of the top 20 most efficient offensive teams in NBA history.
Other than a couple MVP titles, he's not won anything yeah@@darkmasageyou are correct.
cp3 made every team he every played incomparably better
Elaborate please
Magic, Steph, Big O, Zeke, Stockton are top 5
The next tier is CP3, Kidd, Nash, Payton, Westbrook, Kyrie, D-Rose, Penny, and Dame in no order.
Luka and SGA will probably pass all of them by the time they retire.
CP3 Average 20 and 10 while leading the league in steals for several years
Cp3 quits on his team a lot. Cp3 just a cool kid in the group that gets recognized bc he's cool with everybody... Similar to melo, dude was good, but did nothing to get the hype that surrounded him. He just gets shout outs bc he's in the cool clique. Not bc he's actually won anything.
Top 5 PG all-time
Magic Johnson 🪄
Oscar Robinson ✊🏿
Isaiah Thomas 🐎
John Stockton 🎷
Chris Paul 🏀
magic
steph
zeke
stockton
kidd
This the list. I'm definitely taking Kidd over Nash.
Nash and CP3 are equals in my opinion. I may take Rondo over CP3 but you can't go wrong with CP3.
He definitely not taking those Nets teams to back to back finals. He could've done EXACTLY what Nash did in Phoenix under D'Antoni.
He's not doing what Parker did in San Antonio either.
The Big O disrespect is crazy smfh
@@CDiesel720 rondo over cp3?
Steph is not a pure point guard. He is a shooter. This is a POINT guard list
@shaunphillips3236 you are totally right. I forgot about oscar... I would swap kidd with the big O ✌🏼
Jason kidd definitely in there and maybe Westbrook. He e averaged a triple double, I believe two seasons
4 seasons actually, but yeah I agree
3 seasons
@@reece565 4…(3 straight w/ OKC in ‘16-‘17, ‘17-‘18 & ‘18-‘19, & then again w/ Washington in ‘20-‘21)…google is your friend😉
Can't mention championships when Westbrook, Nash, and Stockton do not have titles either 😂
No, but Stockton has the most assists/steals of all time & Nash was a CRUCIALLY underrated PG/player.
The hate for Chris Paul is a little out of control granted, he is not top five point guards of all time at all but you have to admit some players make teams better but Chris Paul has made organizations better! Plus you could argue Chris Paul did have a MVP run with Oklahoma City Thunder at 34... Judge players in their prime man not on their down slope.
He's top 20 of all time, that's a solid career 🎉
Westbrook averaged a triple double.
Steve nash over cp3 is wild , im throwing those 2 mvps in the dumpster , cp3 actually got to the finals unlike steve
nash way beter
Nash was the perfect PG. Wasn’t selfish with the ball & had elite court vision/game IQ. There’s a reason that team could not function without him. He was the floor general for his team.
Nash and Kidd had weaknesses on different sides of the ball but cp3 didn’t. He’s the most complete pg ever. How doesn’t cp3 not clear them??? Nash gets 1 mvp but 2 is goofy. Cp3 mvp was stolen by Kobe and no Kobe shouldn’t have deserved more mvps. Name the years if you think so, don’t just say it.
Westbrook stats might look amazing but he’s horrible at the point. He’s a double edged sword and his mvp should have went to harden. There’s no way Jokic almost has 4 mvps but harden has 1. Russ kept getting triple doubles but no more mvps. Maybe I’m crazy or he shouldn’t have ever had 1 to begin with. Y’all gave Nash 2 for doing the same thing but not Russ?????
Stockton was never the lead on his team. He always choked. Cp3 never choked. His teammates always choked. Do y’all watch the games?????
Steph isn’t a point. He’s an undersized 2 being hidden at the 1. If he isn’t making shots he gives you nothing which means no pg qualities. Magic doesn’t even need to score and he’s a great pg, hell he’s a great player.
CP3 easily top 5 and why don’t y’all ever have Jerry west on the pg lists?????
I agree cp3 is a great PG. And is 5/6 for me but Stockton is 4. And CP definitely has choke level moments on his resumé
@ name his choke moments
I respect your opinion even i dont agree in most of thr things you mentioned but about Stockton you are straight up wrong.
Stockton was the leader and engine of the Jazz, was a better defender than CP3, went twice in a row to the nba finals, not too mention that in the same amount of years in the league, gave more than 3000 more assists than CP3.
CP3 is an amazing player all around and has made better every team he played in but you are off about Stockton
@ Stockton wasn’t the leader of the jazz. That was Karl’s team. It took for the west to die out for Karl and John to make the finals. If John was the player people make him out to be then not only would they have won titles during Hakeem back to back but they would of beat the bulls also. They should have at least 2 rings. Stockton played in a system that elevated his stats but you can’t find a single playoff game and say yeah John took over. All nba pgs would have monster totals if they had his durability. By that logic then lebron is the goat right???
@@joejett5084
Most of your arguments have nothing to do with Stockton as a player.
As anyone that saw those Jazz teams everything started with John Stockton, which i didnt mentioned before is a better shooter than CP3.
Dont get this wrong, I love CP3 as anyone who loves basketball, great skill, one the great pg all around but as I said your comments on why he should be ahead of Stockton are off.
About Stockton durability, CP3 has played the exact same amount of seasons already and he is on his way to play more seasons than him. He is not even close to the number of assists Stockton had and is not because CP3 hasnt played with awesome scorers.
And somehow LeBron is in the conversation and no LeBron wont be my GOAT but i completely understand people that say he is, the run he has had is something unseen even his haters cant denied is something unbelivable.
I been said that, how the heck is he in the top 5 convo? I’d choose Chauncey Billups before I bc goose Chris Paul.
Goofy fool
You crazy
I dont think you can compare cp3 to Westbrook i mean dude averaged 30 tripple double and he was MVP of the season
I think the idea the Paul was top 5 faded as the league as a whole surpassed him . Particularly the coming of curry Kyrie Westbrook . If Chris Paul career had taken the trajectory it at once’s seemed it would , he could be the best Pg of all time . A lot of it is lack of fortune and some of it is lack of size and good surroundings. The teams that tried to build around him either fell apart tragically or impatiently . Or they didn’t fully buy into him being the leader of the team until it became too late .
Westbrook even Tony Parker are better
TP better than CP3?? 😂😂😂
ABSOLUTE PROOF that just because you played, doesn't mean you know anything.
Steph is a combo/ scoring guard. His contribution to championship teams is based on his scoring not passing.
CP3 made EVERY team he played for exponentially better.
NOBODY is picking Westbrook as their PG. He got a participation MVP.
That ENTIRE LIST only 3 of them were the playmaker AND best player on their team.
Magic
Isiah
Paul
West/Oscar
Stockton
Kidd
The next ones are debatable.
Your list is absolutely amazing and correct.
Boogie speaking facts 💯
I'll take Stockton. He was relentless and reliable.
Nash didn't deserve those MVP's, steph is a shooting guard in a point guard body. Magic, Oscar, Isaiah, Stockton, Westbrook
Magic, Zeke, Stockton, E. Baylor, Payton, Penny, Mark Price, Curry, Nash, Westbrook
1. Magic
2. Steph
3. Zeke
4. Stockton
5. CP3
6. Nash
7. Kidd
8. Payton
9. Westbrook
10. Kyrie/Dame/Parker
The all time goat PG list is a very deep one. It's one of the deepest positions in terms of depth. There's been a lot of all time great PGs. Then you also got guys that are top 10 in terms of skill like D.Rose and Penny but had shortened primes because of injuries.
Ive seen stockton throw a bad pass and ran across court stole ball back pass to Malone easy money Stockton is the greatest passer and 1 ever and he PLAYED DEFENSE
Chris Paul is DEFINITELY a top true point guard:
Magic
Stockton
J Kidd
Nash
Chris Paul
Fax. Actual Pure PGs
STOP with the Erving Johnson is a top 5 point. Dude couldn't guard the position so he's not a point guard. He's not in the convo.
1. Magic
2. Steph
3. Cousy
4. Stock
5. Oscar
6. Frazier
7. CP3
so everybody just going to forget Allen Iverson
@@EDouble1 he was a 2, but I wouldn't put him above anyone on this list anyway
I like Cp3 back in Hornets and Clippers and after that i was done watching him...he was doing the same thing which is good. It shows consistency but he never leveled up.
1. Magic
2. Stockton
3. Oscar Roberson
4. Isaiah Thomas
5. Allen Iverson
It's a tough list to put together, too many great PG's.
AI’s not a PG
Cousey, Oscar, Payton, Tiny.. bruhh Boogie is on point
The Answer even though everyone has the pg at sg led the league in steals multiple times drafted a pg giving only 7 assists but look at what he worked with
He's like top 10, but it's really true he's definitely not top 5. That's ok though.
Steph is not a pg. He had 2 games this week with no assists. He's never led the league in assists. He doesnt even lead his team in assists. He's a sg.
Yes
Rondo, he the only one outside the top 3 that’s actually won. He’s a multi time all star, as much of a “pure point” that can be said, and has lead or been an pivotal point of any team he’s played for success
If the topic is traditional PG's, NOT having Chris Paul in your top 5 is damn near hate. You can't name 5 PG's who played the position traditionally who were better at it than Chris Paul. Magic, Zeke, and Stockton are there without a thought. But after that you could argue Chris Paul is 4. No disrespect to Nash and Kidd, but they're not better PG's than Paul. Injuries at the worst possible times is why people view him the way they do. But if we're strictly talking about ability+production on the court, you can't name 5 better PG's than Chris Paul.
CP3 is a Top 10 PG…
@@TiagoGomez-hb9te 👍🏾
@@Mr_HappyToBeHere He’s the most underrated PG of all time. He’s also the most pure PG of all time
@@TiagoGomez-hb9te I personally think he's the best but it's hard to argue against Magic and Zeke's rings, and Stockton's absurd career totals. But just watching the game, it's hard to argue anybody has done it better than him on both sides of the ball. People usually tend to throw defense out the window in these discussions though.
@@Mr_HappyToBeHere Only 4 PGs are arguably than CP3. CP3 just suffered terribly from bad luck especially in the playoffs with injuries and his teammates not showing up. He’s still better than overrated PGs like Steve Nash, Ben Simmons, Damian Lillard and especially Russell Westbrook. Only player who can contend with CP3 as a Pure PG is Magic Johnson and even then that’s a huge maybe…
Magic Johnson, John Stockton, Isiah Thomas, Jason Kidd, Oscar Robertson
I agree with Boogie, I always felt that way
Tony Parker can make some people quit mid game in 2k25 😂, automatic layup if it's not blocked.
🤣🤣🤣💯
Can we talk about Tony Parker really being most underrated Pg ever! He has to be top 5!
Stockton, Oscar, Magic, Kidd, Isiah, Nash, WB, Steph, Rondo, Gary Payton. My top ten.
Boogie raised a good point, but I guess the narrative has always been IF we look at it from a playmaker's perspective.
While mostly modern point guards nowadays are more focused on scoring more, true playmakers who focus on making good ball distribution (ex: Stockton, Kidd, Nash and Rondo) are valued, and CP, who is 2nd all-time in assists with relatively low turnovers per game with just 2.3 deserved to be top tier playmaker conversations.
If we talk about the achievements and accolades such as MVPs and rings, CP is nowhere near those guys. But we need to agree that CP did better playmaking than great guards such as AI, Kai, Rose, Steph and more others.
Magic, Stockton, Steph, Isiah, Nash, Kid, GP
True, Ion know why some put CP3 way up top, He shouldnt tbh
Magic, Big o, Jerry west , Isaiah Thomas, Steph curry, Westbrook, Stockton, Chris Paul, Mark Jackson,
Magic, Steph, Thomas, Stockton, Kidd, Nash
Magic Steph Isaiah Penny Hardaway Iverson (1st 5 Years N Philly)💯💪🔥
Magic , Oscar, Stockton, Kidd, Frazier, Curry, West
Magic
Zeke
Stockton
Oscar Robertson
Kidd
3 solidified.
Westbrooks & Oscar
He's right. Magic, Stephen, John Stockton, Isaiah, Steve Nash, Westbrook
Iverson
CP is a winner. every team he went to he made A LOT better. not everyone can win a chip but he should be above some guys thst won mVP.
Top 5 is still a debate with Magic, Steph, Oscar, Kidd, Nash, CP, Payton (especially on both ends), Zeke, Luka (5 times all nba firstcteamer… more than Steph), all in the mix
As a New Orleans sports fan it’s sad that CP3 had to spend most of his prime with us and the Clippers David Stern hated on him big time he wins at least 1 with Kobe we all know that people sleep on how elite CP3 was on defense also
Tony Parker, Rod Strickland, Gary Payton, Kevin Johnson, Tim Hardaway etc etc