Since I have specialized in this thing KONNAKOL as a guitar player it made me reflect on the fact that everything that we learn in music theory is based on language: note names, the scales and the harmonies - and on higher levels upper triads, substitutions etc. - all tonal events taking place in time - So the good thing to ask is : how do we practise time?, timing, subdivisions, polyrhythms & timekeeping ? And for that Konnakol is awesome because it is a language. A universal language.
In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is the king! But here, in the land of the deaf, the man with hearing in one year will still not be the king. Got it? 😁😁
I have definitely heard table being used in Karnataki music. In fact one particular instance springs to mind. In my college days, I was part of the organising committee for Viraasat - a cultural festival organised by Spic Macay and one of the performers invited were the Mysore brothers on violin - Karnataki music. They had table accompany them in their performance. That was a beautiful evening. They played many songs, and their re edition of “Krshna nee begane baaro” was ethereal.
I couldn't have said it better, and @BenLevin, so are you. I learn a lot from both of you, but what I like even more, you challenge my musical brain. I never want to feel like I have heard it all, or that I understand music. And both of you give me sth to chew on every single time. Thank you!
"Name your own price" for content of this quality is just astounding! You're a true gentleman, Jake...this is what the whole of YT *_ought_* to be like!
The Talam in The Second Exercise, is actually called as a Khanda Chappu Khanda meaning 5 Chappu means Irregular beat numbers like 5 and 7(that being Misra) Great vid!
Hope you found this video to be as fun as I did! The thing that Ben did still blows me away, I'm very grateful to have his awesome artwork in one of my lessons😁 Here's a few important things: 🔴I showed Hindustani music (instead of Carnatic music) during the intro. The rhythm I'm teaching occurs in both music styles though (both originate from India). As I mentioned right after, I can't teach Indian theory! 🔴Don't leave before watching 13:26 🔴Pete Lockett and Matthew Montfort get credit for exposing me to these rhythms via their online content. Matthew wrote a great book called "Ancient Traditions Future Possibilites" which was instrumental to my rhythmic knowledge 🔴The reductive 3's also works as reductive 5s, and is actually more common to hear in Indian music (at least in my experience). This still lies neatly within "adi tala", the 8 beat cycle. Basically, you can keep counting to 8 on your hands, but do reductive 5s in the exact same format and you'll end up on a one beat. This also works with 7's and 9s. 🔴If you're interested in this topic more, you can research "Konnakol lessons" here on youtube. I'd recommend @AsafSirkis for beginners, and for more advanced lessons, check out @StringsOfAndersen. The final boss of TH-cam konnakol is @ManjunathBCth-cam.com/users/sgaming/emoji/7ff574f2/emoji_u1f534.png
Thanks a lot. Nice video. I first heard about konnakol through Mattias IA Enklundh. His understanding and mastery of it is amazing. You may want to google him and his konnakol excercises for guitar. #freakguitar #mattiaseklundh
@@SignalsMusicStudio No worries, just adding nuance. Carnatic and Hindustani are very very different musical styles once you learn a bit about them. To me as a sitarist they sound nothing alike, Carnatic is mostly compositions while Hindustani is 90% improvisation.
Absolutely delightful to see constructive Input and jake owning up like already mentioned... Many different music genres and styles in our country... Your way of putting it up and analysing is really nice to see... And the music piece you constructed sounded straight out of a Hindi movie bgm
I bought a book on Northern Hindustani Classical music as a kid and quite a bit went swoosh over my head but the stuff that hit my rhythm and the way i look at phrasing it is nice to have that influence that advanced my overall education.
I’m glad someone else is recognizing the complexity of other worldly rhythms. A lot of people just stay to the westernization of music and miss out on a lot of cool complexities of other cultures in music. It’s a really cool exercise and I highly recommend people to up their rhythm game because it will allow you to create and express more. Hope you’re having yourself a wonderful week thank you for your contribution.
There are many complexities in varieties of western music as well. Western music incorporates rhythms and modes and scales from around the world. I'm tired of people treating all-things western as if it's monolothic and bland, and talking down to westerners under the presumption that westerners think non-western things are not as interesting or are inferior - particularly when fetishization of non-western things is commonly seen among westerners, and when non-western things are commonly held up as superior rather than different.
@@Objectified I think you misunderstood me. I’m not saying that its inherently bad I’m just saying that if you only focus on specifically western stuff you miss out on a lot of things that could inspire more.
Thank you for the effort and video. You mention Carnatic music, while simultaneously showing a video of Sitar and tabla, the typical Hindustani instruments. They are two very different traditions.
Each of your videos is worth its weight in gold. Thank you for bringing this to light. I always felt that the western way of writing down rhythms was inadequate. There are Indian progressive bands like agam and motherjane who are incorporating the Indian rhythm traditions in a hybrid western style. They live in a strange void where they are little known by the world outside India and unappreciated within India.
I agree with you on the verbal Ta Ki Ta, etc technique being a superior count method. And it's the way tabla players, (in India). become players, they must learn to 'say it before playing it", for years, before ever touching the drums.
I specialize in Arabian Rhythm's, But I've never learned to play Tabla, I just couldn't adapt my ' hand-eye co-ordination" to the techniques. Fortunately, with the 21st century predominance of various Grand Maestro, world beat genre, DJ/musician/producers who can morph, (with music software quantization, etc,) East Indian works into something that is much more straightforward and easier to drum to !!!
Messiaen loved using those rhythms! The beginning of the Quartet for the End of Time is just fascinating, the piano plays a progression of 29 chords over an Indian rhythm consisting of 17 notes (so the harmony and the rhythm restart at different places). I highly recommend to have a read through his book Technique of my musical language.
Excellent video, Jake! Ive been a fan of and terribly bad student of indian music for decades! Glad to see you embracing it. Shakti, Mahavishnu Orchestra & John MClaughlin have been favorites of mine my whole life! Konnokol is THE most wonderful rhythmic system in the world.
I want to second that appreciation for the group Shakti with John McLaughlin. It's a bit of East-West fusion but the Indian musicians are outstanding and the music is moving and exhilarating. They recorded two albums I know of. I was fortunate to see them live in the 1980s.
Beautiful, beautiful episode.🤘🏿It just shows how rich and profound Indian classical music is, just beautiful. And it definitely showed how well crafted the staff notation system is. No whatever what, it can note everything down, that's some amazing wonder to ponder upon. And of course, this video shows, how much you love music. Keep bringing these beautiful episode. 🤘🏿🤘🏿
Signalsssssssss You're my favorite, I love your style and especially your sense of humor, I credit your videos for helping me understand the modes and introducing me to harmonic minor. I still have yet to find any thing else online that explains it in a better way. And I've been teaching guitar for 15 years lol. It made me very happy to see this new video posted, you have some of the hands-down best guitar tutorials on the web. Keep it up el duderino, you're important
You are my inspiration dear sir❤ I am so happy that you’re back. You’re my childhood guitar teacher and now that im 20 I look back to all the great lessons you thought me for the guitar. Thank you ❤
Just AWESOME video! The information... The collaboration... Just awesome. I've been playing for 32 years, and I've learned, and continue to learn, more from this channel than just about anywhere else, short of actually playing with other people that were better than I was when I first started taking it seriously. Thank you to all three of you guys for this one. 👏👏👏👏👏
As an Indian who trained in Indian classical in childhood and forgot almost everything and who somehow has innate sense of western music even without training, I can clearly relate the both and could sense the Indianness in the composition. Also, funfact : Those "Ta ki Ta", "Ta di gi na dum" etc are called "Bol", which basically emulates the sounds of a Tabla or mridgangam, Tabla or Mridangam while has equivalence of different sounds coming out of different part of a complete drumset based on how they are played, but it also has an additional component of tune and timbre to it, which makes it bit more closer to how one would do beatboxing using mouth...and hence the word "Bol" which literally means "Speech". Another funfact : there is an indian equivalent of beatboxing, which is different as it comes out from not the movement of tongue or vocal chord or throat inside your mouth, but the mouth and throat is used as the resonating chamber and the beat is generated by beating your cheeks and throats using your fingers and palms like you do in a Tabla, it's called GaalVadya, literally meaning Cheek instrument.
With this technique I made a song in 27/8! And it sounds completely natural aswell! 5 Quarter Notes, 5 Dotted Eighth Notes, 5 Eighth Notes and Finally 6 Dotted Sixteenth Notes! Thank you so much for this video!
Super cool video thank you for making this. Completely agree that practicing the beats in between even if they dont line up exactly is good and like how this exercise breaks it down in a tangible way! So was really interesting to see how you put this together! Well explained and a great exercise to practice too! FYI for those interested in south indian classical music/finding resources :) the first tala cycle he showed (8 beat) is called Adi tala - really common, find a kruti (common song structure like a jazz head+chorus, and then verses) and look for some improv (maybe kalpana swaras, typically towards the end of the song) - can see some cool patterns esp towards the end of the improv (they have to improvise melodies that fit within the 8-beat cycle). Thilana's are other types of compositions that are quite rhythmic and the singers actually use sollu (rhythmic syllables - konnakol is the art of using these rhythmic syllables, and solkattu is saying these syllables with tala - at least is my understanding of it). U can also look at indian classical dance for some really interesting beat patterns - learning the solkattu is something that helps identify particular steps in dance/learn a dance routine - u can probably find videos of people saying it - but unlike konnakol its a bit more literal as opposed to making it sound pretty (konnakol). If ur more keen on 5 beat cycles - look into compositions with the tala kanda chappu (kanda refers to 5 beat divisions). Keep in mind the terms i used are mainly relating to South Indian music - Hindustani (north indian) has elements that are the same/similar but called different things (eg. 8-beat cycle is not called adi tala in hindustani music hahaha). Most resources on the web relate to hindustani music! Hope some of that helps :)
You're an incredible pedagogue. You're insanely talented. You seem like a chill, humble and nice guy. Love what you do. Thanks a million and keep doing it !
@@JohnPreston888 Sorry, I'm French. In French, "pedagogue" means someone who is very good at explaining things, who has a knack for teaching. A good teacher.
@@MCHiphopotamus Then your English is impressive, both the vocabulary, and the punctuation👍👍. But the translation to English of "pedagogue" becomes harsh criticism of the style of teaching (which is contrary to your other four sentences, and that is why I questioned it. Just helping...honest. )
Here is my take on the first rhythm and how you can see it slightly differently. The first rhythm is 30 + 3 + 30 + 3 + 30 = 96. The 3 in between the 30s is a gap. And now that we have a simpler structure in place we can now see that in your interpretation the 30 is 12 + 9 + 6 + 3. Another interpretation of 30 could be 15 + 10 + 5. So that's one. Also since the total is 96, this exact same rhythm can also be used with the subdivision of triplets (both 16th note and 8th note). Anyway thanks for this, it gave me nice ideas for some new rhythms.
I have seen musicians rehearse this kind of stuff. Called Konokol. They don't even touch their instruments. They talk and clap it out. When you have a few people sitting there clapping and saying "ta ki di mi ta ki di mi ta" on and on with greatly varying tempos it is completely mind blowing, as they just know when to stop and start. First person I ever saw do this was John McLaughlin. He is great at it.
Está muy padre la composición, yo estuve trabajando con el método Takadimi, pero claro está muy limitado, conozco un poco del Konnakol pero no ha profundidad, de nuevo, que padre ver un nuevo video tuyo.
The Ta Ki ta calculation has extra one maatra on whole becoming 33 whereas adi Thaalam on whole Is only 32 maatraa. Instead of finishing the end with takitatakita(6) if finished with takatakita(5), you would finish one avarthanam of aadhi Thaalam.
This sounded really beautiful .this why I love complex time signatures I used to listen to djent but the market is oversaturated and just boring now. You taught me a valuable lesson about other cultures and how to use them to inspire myself.
The rhythmic language of Indian classical music is so interesting and incredibly advanced.
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Wow! Wow! I grew up with some Ravi Shankar moods and later some pieces of Dr. L. Subramaniam. I was totally impressed by John McLaughlin’s »Shakti«, but in fact: I really didn’t understand what they were doing. My years in the conservatoire in Middle Germany were classical orientated, nobody shows interest in »world’s music« (beside some punks and Mark Pfurtscheller who formed the group »The Wirtschaftswunder«) … you see, I’m not the youngest. Anyhow, today my eyes, my ears, my soul woke up! Now, finally, I know the meaning of »ta di gi na dom« - thank you for your encouraging video, Jake! Now, with my nearly 70 years, I'm going to start drumming and … Konnakol 😎😜 Again: thank you!
I’d encourage you to check out Guitar Prasanna’s track Dark sundae in triplicane - this has exactly this kind of progression. Pretty much all the other tracks in that album - Electric Ganesha Land - are great.
Glad to have you back! You have no idea how much I learned from you during Covid! lol I learned more in that year or so that I had learned in 30+ years of playing. Thanks!
It’s all coming together it’s all beginning to make sense 3 within 3 it fits together perfectly now I realise thank you for this takes me back to my days listening to the Amazing John McAllen Mauvish orchestra sorry my error correction has no soul but you know you know who I mean music from the Gods
Jeeeeeeeeeesus Christ he reminds me of my first music teacher whose class I left in the middle because he was all talk but actually playing/showing/teaching anything!
Love this video. I've always felt that "Music theory" isn't the end all be all but merely one way to interpret music. We have a lot to learn from India and maybe other places too.
The way you constructively create is extraordinary! I feel that more people can learn how music isn’t complex, it’s just a process of creating. The theory is important to understand the reason how it all works. But it it’s truly derived from the creative infinite source of life 🙏🏽✌🏽🕊️
I'm a 58 year old boy and I picked up the guitar for fun. Found your channel some years ago and you make everything so easy to understand. And a very nice piece of music you wrote! (Mattias Ia Eklundh is very much into konnakol as well btw.)
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This is the first of your videos that i've seen and i really like it. You explain things very well. In a western style it seems complicated. For me, it's a bit different. I learned guitar by ear for more than 10 years, growing up in America. Now i've lived in India for almost 20 years and have immersed myself in the carnatic music of southern India. I haven't studied formally, but have spent countless hours playing on guitar and harmonium. The rhythm sounded familiar and i could get it without too much trouble, also by ear, not counting or thinking. The scale you're calling D mixolydian b6, is called Charukeshi in carnatic music. The ragas (scales) are amazing and if you haven't, i definitely recommend anyone looking into them. Thanks again. I'll check out more of your videos.
Great work Jake 👍. Would love to see some Indian and Western musicians working together in such a video to get the music styles closer . That will do great to music as a whole as Indian music is ancient and so diversified...not even explored 1% by the rest of the world. Western sound clubbed with Indian music basics will create an altogether new entertainment zone. Love ❤ from India 🇮🇳.
Haha, that's cool. Ben Levin actually was the first thought that came to my mind when you mentioned the ta ki ta stuff. He did a video about that stuff in the past. Gotta revisit his channel. Cool guy. Your channel is pretty cool, too!
That was interesting. I am a drummer and have 60 Indian albums, and have spent a lot of time on various rhythms and polyrhythms. I got the first exercise almost right away, but the second one I had to spend more minutes on because I haven't practiced talking that fast, as in the 16ths. but I have already created drum beats with the 5 beat polyrhymuc ideas so, pretty familiar. glad to know others are into these things.
The best way to learn this how BeardStank does it. I do it the same way. Just find the elementary time units (ticks) so that every beat of the pattern to play matches some tick. Then it is just memorizing a series of accents. When you play jazz, which also has rich rhythmic palette, this goes fairly easy because you are used to that kind of stuff.
When you were just counting without music it was a bit confusing for me, but when you played music with the pattern as a part, I instantly got it. I guess I understand music in a more instinctive way, so I can easily identify where each beat sits against the music without having to think about it, but if there's no music it's way harder for me. I'm bad at counting complex time signatures too for some reason, but I can play them. For example, I can play Discipline by King Crimson on guitar without counting and I never have a problem because the music is in my head, but if I start counting I get easily lost. It's a strange thing, but I suspect it's because when I count, the workload on my brain increases and it becomes more difficult to hear the song in my head while transferring it to the guitar.
I dont know know anything about music but what you played at 12:30 sounds like a Bollywood song especially from 90s or 2000s lol. I feel like i have heard this before.
I’d hate to live in your head, but the rhythms are entrancing as is the music you compose. Rhythmically far too demanding to try to learn at my advanced age, but keep on keeping on. Fascinating.😊
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Since I have specialized in this thing KONNAKOL as a guitar player it made me reflect on the fact that everything that we learn in music theory is based on language: note names, the scales and the harmonies - and on higher levels upper triads, substitutions etc. - all tonal events taking place in time - So the good thing to ask is : how do we practise time?, timing, subdivisions, polyrhythms & timekeeping ? And for that Konnakol is awesome because it is a language. A universal language.
Folks, listen to this man here! And watch his channel!!!
In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is the king! But here, in the land of the deaf, the man with hearing in one year will still not be the king. Got it? 😁😁
@@SignalsMusicStudio going to check him out for sure..I liked his comment big time
Please be polite. Not many understand the diversity of India and its okay for them to br wrong. Take it easy
I have definitely heard table being used in Karnataki music. In fact one particular instance springs to mind.
In my college days, I was part of the organising committee for Viraasat - a cultural festival organised by Spic Macay and one of the performers invited were the Mysore brothers on violin - Karnataki music. They had table accompany them in their performance.
That was a beautiful evening. They played many songs, and their re edition of “Krshna nee begane baaro” was ethereal.
Im so glad you are back. Your work is like no one else on youtube
I agree
It is always a treat
I went to write a comment only to see you already said exactly what I felt needed to be said.
@@nopenheimer great minds think alike i guess
@@nopenheimerAnd I went to write a comment only to see you already commented on this my behalf
Thank you for teaching me these wonderful exercises and inviting me to write with you! You're amazing at what you do and a great hang!
I couldn't have said it better, and @BenLevin, so are you. I learn a lot from both of you, but what I like even more, you challenge my musical brain. I never want to feel like I have heard it all, or that I understand music. And both of you give me sth to chew on every single time.
Thank you!
"Name your own price" for content of this quality is just astounding! You're a true gentleman, Jake...this is what the whole of YT *_ought_* to be like!
get it while it lasts! next year I'm going to start charging a reasonable price for it
Australian here, always liked and respected Indian music! It's really fascinating to explore some of the complexity!
The Talam in The Second Exercise, is actually called as a Khanda Chappu
Khanda meaning 5
Chappu means Irregular beat numbers like 5 and 7(that being Misra)
Great vid!
Hope you found this video to be as fun as I did! The thing that Ben did still blows me away, I'm very grateful to have his awesome artwork in one of my lessons😁 Here's a few important things:
🔴I showed Hindustani music (instead of Carnatic music) during the intro. The rhythm I'm teaching occurs in both music styles though (both originate from India). As I mentioned right after, I can't teach Indian theory!
🔴Don't leave before watching 13:26
🔴Pete Lockett and Matthew Montfort get credit for exposing me to these rhythms via their online content. Matthew wrote a great book called "Ancient Traditions Future Possibilites" which was instrumental to my rhythmic knowledge
🔴The reductive 3's also works as reductive 5s, and is actually more common to hear in Indian music (at least in my experience). This still lies neatly within "adi tala", the 8 beat cycle. Basically, you can keep counting to 8 on your hands, but do reductive 5s in the exact same format and you'll end up on a one beat. This also works with 7's and 9s.
🔴If you're interested in this topic more, you can research "Konnakol lessons" here on youtube. I'd recommend @AsafSirkis for beginners, and for more advanced lessons, check out @StringsOfAndersen. The final boss of TH-cam konnakol is @ManjunathBCth-cam.com/users/sgaming/emoji/7ff574f2/emoji_u1f534.png
Excellent as always!
So great to have you back mate. Fantastic teacher
I think you are talking about something like this.
th-cam.com/users/shortsAbcA46Q39_g?si=CgDHdt29TX1TY5xV
Thank you so much❤❤❤
Thanks a lot. Nice video. I first heard about konnakol through Mattias IA Enklundh. His understanding and mastery of it is amazing. You may want to google him and his konnakol excercises for guitar. #freakguitar #mattiaseklundh
I grew up listening to these rhythms.. still never saw them the way you explained.. awesome thank you
Sitar and tabla is not Carnatic, that’s south India with veena and mridangam. Anoushka plays North Indian music called Hindustani
My mistake!
@@SignalsMusicStudio No worries, just adding nuance. Carnatic and Hindustani are very very different musical styles once you learn a bit about them. To me as a sitarist they sound nothing alike, Carnatic is mostly compositions while Hindustani is 90% improvisation.
He’s in the ballpark. Good start. Keep going ..
Props for owning the error.
Absolutely delightful to see constructive Input and jake owning up like already mentioned...
Many different music genres and styles in our country... Your way of putting it up and analysing is really nice to see...
And the music piece you constructed sounded straight out of a Hindi movie bgm
I bought a book on Northern Hindustani Classical music as a kid and quite a bit went swoosh over my head but the stuff that hit my rhythm and the way i look at phrasing it is nice to have that influence that advanced my overall education.
There is a good reason why it takes MANY years to become a master of Indian music.
It’s wonderful!
Thanks for this break down!
I’m glad someone else is recognizing the complexity of other worldly rhythms. A lot of people just stay to the westernization of music and miss out on a lot of cool complexities of other cultures in music. It’s a really cool exercise and I highly recommend people to up their rhythm game because it will allow you to create and express more. Hope you’re having yourself a wonderful week thank you for your contribution.
There are many complexities in varieties of western music as well. Western music incorporates rhythms and modes and scales from around the world. I'm tired of people treating all-things western as if it's monolothic and bland, and talking down to westerners under the presumption that westerners think non-western things are not as interesting or are inferior - particularly when fetishization of non-western things is commonly seen among westerners, and when non-western things are commonly held up as superior rather than different.
@@Objectified I think you misunderstood me. I’m not saying that its inherently bad I’m just saying that if you only focus on specifically western stuff you miss out on a lot of things that could inspire more.
I don't think he was discounting Western music as "simplistic".
@@TheSeeking2know nah I wasn’t implying anything but admiration for other cultures of music outside of it and thanks for pointing it out.
So nice to see you back, and that too with Indian music! Keep creating man, love from India! 🇮🇳 ❤
Man, every now and then Ben drops something that unexpectedly bores deep down in my emotions, I felt that excerpt from him so hard
I'm so glad you've started studying Indian ancient music. It's my favorite. I have so much to say about this.
Thank you for the effort and video. You mention Carnatic music, while simultaneously showing a video of Sitar and tabla, the typical Hindustani instruments. They are two very different traditions.
Hell yeeeahhh.... The Indian rhythms are where it's at !!!
Thanks heaps for this lesson, very insightful !
Each of your videos is worth its weight in gold. Thank you for bringing this to light.
I always felt that the western way of writing down rhythms was inadequate.
There are Indian progressive bands like agam and motherjane who are incorporating the Indian rhythm traditions in a hybrid western style.
They live in a strange void where they are little known by the world outside India and unappreciated within India.
i got your book in the mail yesterday, so stoked.
you're the man Jake! thanks for all the amazing content over the years.
Woohoo! hope you enjoy!
Hey Jake! So glad to see you here again! Thanks again for all you do!
That melody you wrote is sooooo cool!!!
it's just a cool rhythm, played using a cool scale, of which we break down to make cool chords 😎
@@SignalsMusicStudio And you found the tone to bring it all together.
It really rocked and the drumming was superbly musical.
I agree with you on the verbal Ta Ki Ta, etc technique being a superior count method. And it's the way tabla players, (in India). become players, they must learn to 'say it before playing it", for years, before ever touching the drums.
I specialize in Arabian Rhythm's, But I've never learned to play Tabla, I just couldn't adapt my ' hand-eye co-ordination" to the techniques. Fortunately, with the 21st century predominance of various Grand Maestro, world beat genre, DJ/musician/producers who can morph, (with music software quantization, etc,) East Indian works into something that is much more straightforward and easier to drum to !!!
Messiaen loved using those rhythms! The beginning of the Quartet for the End of Time is just fascinating, the piano plays a progression of 29 chords over an Indian rhythm consisting of 17 notes (so the harmony and the rhythm restart at different places). I highly recommend to have a read through his book Technique of my musical language.
This is FUPPING GLORIOUS and you, Ben Levin and Beardstank should make an album and I promise you will get at least one sale (to me).
Excellent video, Jake! Ive been a fan of and terribly bad student of indian music for decades! Glad to see you embracing it. Shakti, Mahavishnu Orchestra & John MClaughlin have been favorites of mine my whole life! Konnokol is THE most wonderful rhythmic system in the world.
I want to second that appreciation for the group Shakti with John McLaughlin. It's a bit of East-West fusion but the Indian musicians are outstanding and the music is moving and exhilarating. They recorded two albums I know of. I was fortunate to see them live in the 1980s.
Not to forget John McLaughlin with Trilok Gurtu. I saw them live when I was a teen and was blown away.
4:50 exercise - 6:53 on guitar. - 8:06 in song. - 12:15 on piano (the piano one should be memorized)
13:25 final
God I waited nearly 7 mins to watch a 5 sec excercise
Indian music have its own language for every instrument and vocals
Why do you think I started learning Western music😅
Beautiful, beautiful episode.🤘🏿It just shows how rich and profound Indian classical music is, just beautiful. And it definitely showed how well crafted the staff notation system is. No whatever what, it can note everything down, that's some amazing wonder to ponder upon. And of course, this video shows, how much you love music. Keep bringing these beautiful episode. 🤘🏿🤘🏿
Wow the result is magical. This tells me that humans from different cultures can work together to create something out of this world.
The one and only guy that makes me want to practise exercices on guitar!🎉
so stoked to see this upload! great to see you exploring eastern music concepts! thanks for the great content as always signals
sometimes i forget how versatile you are bc you make it look doable n approachable
I don't play guitar or read music. ...
I can still appreciate the magic I've just witnessed. This is amazing.
...that's all the words I have left.
Signalsssssssss
You're my favorite, I love your style and especially your sense of humor, I credit your videos for helping me understand the modes and introducing me to harmonic minor. I still have yet to find any thing else online that explains it in a better way. And I've been teaching guitar for 15 years lol. It made me very happy to see this new video posted, you have some of the hands-down best guitar tutorials on the web. Keep it up el duderino, you're important
You are my inspiration dear sir❤ I am so happy that you’re back. You’re my childhood guitar teacher and now that im 20 I look back to all the great lessons you thought me for the guitar. Thank you ❤
great to see you back dude
thanks man! I gotta get you a copy of my new book, would love your thoughts on some of it
Everything was a bouncer above my head and i am Indian.
i just listened to music and it felt good !
simply...this man is the best music/guitar teacher on whole TH-cam...
Not only this is such a hard to compose, your story telling skills are unbelievable. You made us realise what you actually did which is this complex
Just AWESOME video! The information... The collaboration... Just awesome. I've been playing for 32 years, and I've learned, and continue to learn, more from this channel than just about anywhere else, short of actually playing with other people that were better than I was when I first started taking it seriously. Thank you to all three of you guys for this one. 👏👏👏👏👏
thank YOU! glad you enjoyed it as much as we did making it!
As an Indian who trained in Indian classical in childhood and forgot almost everything and who somehow has innate sense of western music even without training, I can clearly relate the both and could sense the Indianness in the composition. Also, funfact : Those "Ta ki Ta", "Ta di gi na dum" etc are called "Bol", which basically emulates the sounds of a Tabla or mridgangam, Tabla or Mridangam while has equivalence of different sounds coming out of different part of a complete drumset based on how they are played, but it also has an additional component of tune and timbre to it, which makes it bit more closer to how one would do beatboxing using mouth...and hence the word "Bol" which literally means "Speech". Another funfact : there is an indian equivalent of beatboxing, which is different as it comes out from not the movement of tongue or vocal chord or throat inside your mouth, but the mouth and throat is used as the resonating chamber and the beat is generated by beating your cheeks and throats using your fingers and palms like you do in a Tabla, it's called GaalVadya, literally meaning Cheek instrument.
With this technique I made a song in 27/8! And it sounds completely natural aswell!
5 Quarter Notes, 5 Dotted Eighth Notes, 5 Eighth Notes and Finally 6 Dotted Sixteenth Notes!
Thank you so much for this video!
Awesome to see you back in action again! Thank you, Jake!
Dude. Your music skills are unreal. Thanks for this.
12:15 my god.
What a beautiful composition ❤👏🏻💘 instantly touches your heart and emotions...
I'm an alto saxophonist and I have just come across your channel. Your work here is fascinating. Thanks. Subscribed.
Good to have you back. Please do not disappear again. Love from India.
Please never leave us
Super cool video thank you for making this. Completely agree that practicing the beats in between even if they dont line up exactly is good and like how this exercise breaks it down in a tangible way! So was really interesting to see how you put this together! Well explained and a great exercise to practice too!
FYI for those interested in south indian classical music/finding resources :)
the first tala cycle he showed (8 beat) is called Adi tala - really common, find a kruti (common song structure like a jazz head+chorus, and then verses) and look for some improv (maybe kalpana swaras, typically towards the end of the song) - can see some cool patterns esp towards the end of the improv (they have to improvise melodies that fit within the 8-beat cycle). Thilana's are other types of compositions that are quite rhythmic and the singers actually use sollu (rhythmic syllables - konnakol is the art of using these rhythmic syllables, and solkattu is saying these syllables with tala - at least is my understanding of it). U can also look at indian classical dance for some really interesting beat patterns - learning the solkattu is something that helps identify particular steps in dance/learn a dance routine - u can probably find videos of people saying it - but unlike konnakol its a bit more literal as opposed to making it sound pretty (konnakol).
If ur more keen on 5 beat cycles - look into compositions with the tala kanda chappu (kanda refers to 5 beat divisions).
Keep in mind the terms i used are mainly relating to South Indian music - Hindustani (north indian) has elements that are the same/similar but called different things (eg. 8-beat cycle is not called adi tala in hindustani music hahaha). Most resources on the web relate to hindustani music!
Hope some of that helps :)
You're an incredible pedagogue. You're insanely talented. You seem like a chill, humble and nice guy. Love what you do. Thanks a million and keep doing it !
pedagogue... You sure that is what you mean?
@@JohnPreston888 Sorry, I'm French. In French, "pedagogue" means someone who is very good at explaining things, who has a knack for teaching. A good teacher.
@@MCHiphopotamus Then your English is impressive, both the vocabulary, and the punctuation👍👍. But the translation to English of "pedagogue" becomes harsh criticism of the style of teaching (which is contrary to your other four sentences, and that is why I questioned it. Just helping...honest. )
Here is my take on the first rhythm and how you can see it slightly differently.
The first rhythm is 30 + 3 + 30 + 3 + 30 = 96.
The 3 in between the 30s is a gap. And now that we have a simpler structure in place we can now see that in your interpretation the 30 is 12 + 9 + 6 + 3. Another interpretation of 30 could be 15 + 10 + 5. So that's one.
Also since the total is 96, this exact same rhythm can also be used with the subdivision of triplets (both 16th note and 8th note).
Anyway thanks for this, it gave me nice ideas for some new rhythms.
Quality video as always! Normally I wouldn't go for this genre of music, but your example song sounds really great, and the context adds so much more.
Me and my band are working on a complex polyrythm composition right now… this couldn’t have come in the most perfect time!
Having played Tabla for 2 decades, try “लेयकारी” (le-ya-ka-ri) to blow your mind 😃
I have seen musicians rehearse this kind of stuff.
Called Konokol.
They don't even touch their instruments.
They talk and clap it out.
When you have a few people
sitting there clapping and saying "ta ki di mi ta ki di mi ta" on and on with greatly varying tempos it is completely mind blowing, as they just know when to stop and start.
First person I ever saw do this was John McLaughlin.
He is great at it.
Impressive! I first saw this concept applied by Mattias IA Eklund on guitar and I was flashed like "ok, this is far beyond, what I can understand" 🤯
Está muy padre la composición, yo estuve trabajando con el método Takadimi, pero claro está muy limitado, conozco un poco del Konnakol pero no ha profundidad, de nuevo, que padre ver un nuevo video tuyo.
Thanks for a headache and a insanely good piece of music 👌
The Ta Ki ta calculation has extra one maatra on whole becoming 33 whereas adi Thaalam on whole Is only 32 maatraa. Instead of finishing the end with takitatakita(6) if finished with takatakita(5), you would finish one avarthanam of aadhi Thaalam.
This sounded really beautiful .this why I love complex time signatures I used to listen to djent but the market is oversaturated and just boring now. You taught me a valuable lesson about other cultures and how to use them to inspire myself.
The rhythmic language of Indian classical music is so interesting and incredibly advanced.
Wow! Wow! I grew up with some Ravi Shankar moods and later some pieces of Dr. L. Subramaniam. I was totally impressed by John McLaughlin’s »Shakti«, but in fact: I really didn’t understand what they were doing. My years in the conservatoire in Middle Germany were classical orientated, nobody shows interest in »world’s music« (beside some punks and Mark Pfurtscheller who formed the group »The Wirtschaftswunder«) … you see, I’m not the youngest. Anyhow, today my eyes, my ears, my soul woke up! Now, finally, I know the meaning of »ta di gi na dom« - thank you for your encouraging video, Jake! Now, with my nearly 70 years, I'm going to start drumming and … Konnakol 😎😜 Again: thank you!
I’d encourage you to check out Guitar Prasanna’s track Dark sundae in triplicane - this has exactly this kind of progression. Pretty much all the other tracks in that album - Electric Ganesha Land - are great.
Glad to have you back! You have no idea how much I learned from you during Covid! lol I learned more in that year or so that I had learned in 30+ years of playing. Thanks!
13:25 - a great composition. Very creative. Suddenly, 14:03 gave me a "don’t hug me i’m scared" feels …
Just when I was getting into carnatic rhythm, signals uploaded this video 🥳
It’s all coming together it’s all beginning to make sense 3 within 3 it fits together perfectly now I realise
thank you for this takes me back to my days listening to the Amazing John McAllen Mauvish orchestra sorry my error correction has no soul but you know you know who I mean music from the Gods
Jeeeeeeeeeesus Christ he reminds me of my first music teacher whose class I left in the middle because he was all talk but actually playing/showing/teaching anything!
Love this video. I've always felt that "Music theory" isn't the end all be all but merely one way to interpret music. We have a lot to learn from India and maybe other places too.
wow super interesting and challenging lesson thanks jake! the song ben levin made is absolutely insane, nailed it
when I opened up the file he sent me my brain fell out! I thought I was just gonna get a groove or something lol
Loving this lesson and I’m so here for the Ben Levin collab! Happily surprised to see two of my favorite music TH-camrs join forces. 🙌
The way you constructively create is extraordinary! I feel that more people can learn how music isn’t complex, it’s just a process of creating. The theory is important to understand the reason how it all works. But it it’s truly derived from the creative infinite source of life 🙏🏽✌🏽🕊️
I'm a 58 year old boy and I picked up the guitar for fun. Found your channel some years ago and you make everything so easy to understand. And a very nice piece of music you wrote!
(Mattias Ia Eklundh is very much into konnakol as well btw.)
The finished song opened my third eye...
Listening to Tool pried open mine.
The compoſers are Sataniſts ſo, it is no wonder. Iuſt ſo thou knoweſt, as ſomeone with much experience in this field, the third eye, is a TWO WAY STREET, not a one way ſtreet. The whole agenda to open thy third eye is to let IN deuill ſpirits, that they could acceſſe thy body and faculties eaſier, all without thy detection.
The third eye ſhould be cloſed, vnleſſe Ieſus Chꝛiſt him ſelfe openeth it foꝛ thee foꝛ HIS purpoſe befoꝛe cloſing it againe. The whole idea of a third eye and the talk around it and purſuit to open it oꝛ awaken it are by people who are meaning to harm thee in the moſt painful of ways. Iuſt an FYI. If thou deſireſt trueth and life, it is found in Ieſus Chꝛiſt and in his woꝛds in the King Iames Bible.
The Goſpel that ſaueth and how to be ſaued accoꝛding to the woꝛd of God :
"1 MOꝛeouer bꝛethꝛen , I declare vnto you the Goſpel which I pꝛeached vnto you, which alſo you haue receiued,and wherein yee ſtand.
2 By which also yee are ſaued , if yee keepe in memoꝛie what I pꝛeached vnto you , vnleſſe yee haue beleeued in vaine.
3 Foꝛ I deliuered vnto you firſt of all , that which I alſo receiued , how that Chꝛiſt died for our ſinnes accoꝛding to the Scriptures :
4 And that he was buried,and that he roſe againe the third day accoꝛding to the Scriptures."
- 1 Coꝛinthians 15:1-4 Holy Bible 1611
"9 That if thou ſhalt confeſſe with thy mouth the Loꝛd Ieſus , and ſhalt beleeue in thine heart , that God hath raiſed him from the dead , thou ſhalt be ſaued.
10 Foꝛ with the heart man beleeueth vnto righteouſneſſe,and with the mouth confeſſion is made vnto ſaluation.
11 Foꝛ the Scripture ſaith, Whoſoeuer beleeueth on him , ſhall not bee aſhamed.
12 Foꝛ there is no difference betweene the Iew and the Greeke : foꝛ the ſame Loꝛd ouer all, is rich vnto all, that call vpon him.
13 Foꝛ whoſoeuer ſhall call vpon the Name of the Loꝛd,ſhall be ſaued."
- Romanes 10:9-13 Holy Bible 1611
Sounds more like Animals as Leaders rather than Tool
TOOL REFERENCE!
wooooow, defnitly one of my favorit compositions from your videos. amazing.
So good! I love how it feels like it is barely hanging on. It's like a trainwreck up ahead that never happens.
The visualisation at 6:25 using the 16th notes makes it so easy to play for me because it reminds me so much of exercises in my drum exams.
Amazing Collab! Two of the most creative minds on TH-cam
The intro sounds so much like the Indian raag charukeshi.... Great job guys ❤
youre the goat of music teachers Jake. keep it up
This is the first of your videos that i've seen and i really like it. You explain things very well. In a western style it seems complicated. For me, it's a bit different. I learned guitar by ear for more than 10 years, growing up in America. Now i've lived in India for almost 20 years and have immersed myself in the carnatic music of southern India. I haven't studied formally, but have spent countless hours playing on guitar and harmonium. The rhythm sounded familiar and i could get it without too much trouble, also by ear, not counting or thinking. The scale you're calling D mixolydian b6, is called Charukeshi in carnatic music. The ragas (scales) are amazing and if you haven't, i definitely recommend anyone looking into them.
Thanks again. I'll check out more of your videos.
Also, you did pick out the 3 chords that fit best within that raga; you just gave them a little more flavor. D, C, Gm. There could also be an Am.
Thank you for featuring Indian music, it's deep, complex and soulful. ❤
Nice lesson, I think this is a classic konnakol exercise, those guys really are masters of rhythm
Great work Jake 👍. Would love to see some Indian and Western musicians working together in such a video to get the music styles closer . That will do great to music as a whole as Indian music is ancient and so diversified...not even explored 1% by the rest of the world. Western sound clubbed with Indian music basics will create an altogether new entertainment zone. Love ❤ from India 🇮🇳.
Haha, that's cool. Ben Levin actually was the first thought that came to my mind when you mentioned the ta ki ta stuff. He did a video about that stuff in the past. Gotta revisit his channel. Cool guy. Your channel is pretty cool, too!
his video was literally one of the earliest I ever saw on the topic. 12 years ago!
That was interesting. I am a drummer and have 60 Indian albums, and have spent a lot of time on various rhythms and polyrhythms. I got the first exercise almost right away, but the second one I had to spend more minutes on because I haven't practiced talking that fast, as in the 16ths. but I have already created drum beats with the 5 beat polyrhymuc ideas so, pretty familiar. glad to know others are into these things.
The best way to learn this how BeardStank does it. I do it the same way. Just find the elementary time units (ticks) so that every beat of the pattern to play matches some tick. Then it is just memorizing a series of accents. When you play jazz, which also has rich rhythmic palette, this goes fairly easy because you are used to that kind of stuff.
So glad you are back
The backbeat with that pattern on drums sounds fantastic
The 5 count work you are doing is perfect and too good
This is such an underrated music theory channel, it's amazing how one idea can morph into thousands
Man! I really really enjoy your videos!!!! You're a really smart music professor
This is great. Great introduction to a deep mine of musical knowledge.
When you were just counting without music it was a bit confusing for me, but when you played music with the pattern as a part, I instantly got it. I guess I understand music in a more instinctive way, so I can easily identify where each beat sits against the music without having to think about it, but if there's no music it's way harder for me. I'm bad at counting complex time signatures too for some reason, but I can play them. For example, I can play Discipline by King Crimson on guitar without counting and I never have a problem because the music is in my head, but if I start counting I get easily lost. It's a strange thing, but I suspect it's because when I count, the workload on my brain increases and it becomes more difficult to hear the song in my head while transferring it to the guitar.
The electric guitar not resolving is perfect. Great way to keep the pace whilst preventing the track from settling.
From “My Pickup Truck Is My Best Friend” to this… 🤯👍🏽
I dont know know anything about music but what you played at 12:30 sounds like a Bollywood song especially from 90s or 2000s lol.
I feel like i have heard this before.
I’d hate to live in your head, but the rhythms are entrancing as is the music you compose. Rhythmically far too demanding to try to learn at my advanced age, but keep on keeping on. Fascinating.😊
kinda blew my mind to the possibilities with these kind of rhythm arrangements