Machining an Intake Manifold in the G&E Shaper
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- Sometimes you get those workpieces that are just tricky to hold and get set-up for machining. This is one of those jobs, but I decide to put the versatility of the shaper to use and show how easily these types of parts can be machined with this machine.
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That tilting table is a really neat feature.
When you said it's for a Honda motor, going in a Toyota MR-2, I fully expected you to say it's for Kyle from the Boosted Boiz
In the mr2 scene for a bit k20 is pretty popular.
There is a long rich history to the Machinist trade and tools, and I thank you for what you do to preserve it and pass the information to others. Beautiful job.
I forget how big your shaper is until I see you standing beside it.
Nice job on the manifold.
Thanks for showing the part on the engine. It’s great to see even a still of the finished product!
Once again, the Shaper takes us over the finish line! Came out great.
👍👍
I had a warped exhaust manifold I flattened using my parents drive way. Me and my dad grinded it back and forth for hours. Worked decent enough to fix the tick tick of exhaust leaking at the head. Mom was not thrilled with the driveway.
LOL, hey if it works it works.
Sometimes you only got what you got. Lol
My grandfather preached this to me my whole life.
You've whipped that old shaper into a fine machine. Any one would be proud to own and operate such a beautiful tool.
Really great to see the shaper earning her keep with job going out the door for a customer. What a fantastic machine.
Your patience and knowledge for precision is unbelievable.
@Tech Six ok bud.
Good job
Man, I really don't understand why there are so many negative comments on this video. I thought it was excellent and I really appreciated seeing the unique setup to cut machine this part on a shaper.
Agreed. like he said, there are a dozen ways to do this. Using the shaper has the advantage of being fun to watch
@@richardl4556 He should have mounted the camera to the ram
Like everything else you touch, it is pure gold now. Transcendental meditation watching that old girl do what she does best. Love it!
shapers are awesome for jobs like this, little chatter, low cutting forces. On a mill stuff like this is a nightmare. Keep up the good work!
Shaper added at least 100 hp to that Honda motor! Great job Adam! 👍🍻
Abom79= A pro’s pro. Best machining channel.
That finish is gorgeous. It never ceases to amaze me what the shaper can do.
Another lesson from the master. Thanks for letting us look over your shoulder Adam!
As a machinist I know you go for that great finish and you certainly did! As someone with a couple of SCCA championships I was glad to see you not take it any further. On mating surfaces, especially with positive pressures, you want your surfaces to have a bit of bite to them to keep your gaskets from walking or worrying under heat/pressure cycles. Depending on how good a job you did, I might even be inclined to hit that surface with a mild crushed glass at low pressure before assembly.
Watching this video I’m suddenly 20 years old again. I began my apprenticeship in machine tool building in the late 1970’s. We built large scale automated welding, assembly, machining, and transfer systems. Like auto body sized equipment. I’ve watched some of the “old school” European machinists operating a huge shaper to flatten welded machine base surfaces. 20’ X 10’ surfaces brought to a workable finish suitable for building up weldments into precision tools. These same craftsmen taught me to tighten Allen head bolts by hand with an Allen wrench until they squeaked. Still have a “firm” handshake from years of this practice. BTW, I’ve scraped in far too many ways and gibs over the years! Prussian Blue rules the earth in machining! Thanks for the thorough setup explantation. Great video.
I bet that thing is flatter than the head he’s bolting it to now. LOL Great job Adam.
I’m not a machinist but I love your videos. I watched others, they don’t show much of the preps that you do. It goes to show, preparation for any job is the most critical step.
Most machining jobs are 75 percent setup and only about 25 percent actual cutting.
I haven't used a shaper since I was an apprentice forty years ago. Useful tool, but takes a lot of time to do its stuff. . As an old shop hand once said to me "You can make anything with a shaper - except money!"
awesome. I spent nearly a week recovering from a surprise appendectomy and your videos made that more tolerable. Your attention of detail is mastery.
Thanks Adam. Your shaper does a beautiful job - nothing looks as nice as a shaper finish.
It's really refreshing to see such attention to detail and care in someone's work. The setup alone seems to be more than half the effort but the results surely pay off. Very nice work, sir.
Adam your video has made me calm down after a bad day at work the symphony of old iron yesssss thanks for another amazing video!!!!
Likely flatter than the head it will bolt onto. Great job. It’s great to see a shaper being used as intended.
I did not know what a shaper was untill I started watching your videos. Thank you for sharing this awesome machine. :)
same! The algorithm just popped up with shaping videos one day, and I decided to watch them. This guy knows so much
Nice!
I always appreciate that you spend time explaining the setup.
Thanks.
Great job on the "workhorse" of the shop. I remember co-workers not going near the shaper because they didn't understand it. It was one of my favorite machines and I'm enjoying watching someone that understands machine tools and how to use them.
I just love watching you work with the shaper, from the first time I made a 1, 2, 3 block on the shaper, mill surface grinder I had a great respect for the shaper, just seeing those big 50 thousandths chips and feed rates. Just making tools was a art in itself and you have shown how much you love this machine too, great work again Adam.
Great job. Perfect planing, professional job. This channel is a must-see for all people to become a precision mechanic.
Adam you never cease to amaze me, great video.
Your skill, attention to detail and commitment to produce the best product possible is the reason I watch and learn. I'm no novice either but you said it all when you said 'We learn from each other'. This is a dying art. Thanks for sharing.
My favorite shaper video yet.
Long single takes and excellent explanations. Don't see that too often on youtube.
Good example of having the right tool to get the job done. I had an ex girl friend tell me that once and she new nothing about metal work !
I found it extremely funny how much I've learned about machining thanks to dudes like Adam, TOT, AvE, Chris and many others and I haven't touched a single working machine like those.
Jigging and fixturing correctly is a good portion of insuring success and in another 50 years, Adam will be an "old jigger". :-)
I haven't used a shaper since my high school machine shop classes in the '70s. In 30 years of machining, I haven't seen a shaper in the dozen different shops I've worked. I dig old school equipment. Its fascinating to understand how complex machinery was built before computers came into the scene. Learning manual machining before CNC taught me a whole lot and made me a better CNC machinist. I started CNC about 2or 3 years after starting my machinist career. I still use and personally own manual machines in my retirement. There are many things that are easier and more efficiently to do on manual equipment than CNC. Especially maintenance work and single parts. Choosing the right equipment to do a job makes money. There's a lot to be said for a low cutting pressure with a single point cutter when you're trying to obtain a flat surface with a real good finish. Especially on a casting with irregular shapes to fixture to and interrupted cuts. The horizontal mill with a fly cutter might have been quicker and equally low pressure but he loves his planer. That's ok. This is obviously a labor of love for him. I don't think he's pressed for time or worried about making money in this case. I was always taught to do take the time to do a thing right the 1st time or don't do it all!
Hello, from the French community.
Happy holidays everyone
I was trained on this type of manual machine tool in high school, this brings back a lot of good memories. Thanks. I graduated in the sixties, thanks.
99% prep, 1% machining. Just incredible. It's mesmerizing to watch the attention to every detail you put into your work.
I say it every time but you can’t beat a shaper for that finish!
I really like your videos no BS, just straight forward professional work and procedures, great videos excellent work. Now days it's hard to find somebody that has pride in their work, and smart . Thanks for the videos.
Man, the "makers" that have blocked to this channel have completely ruined the comments section. No wonder Adam doesn't rely to comments anymore. Since they're makers, and are only watching machining videos so they can feel like they're actual trades workers, they completely miss the point of the videos. If you consider yourself a maker, may I suggest Laura Kampf, or Colin Furze. Those channels will be more your speed.
The shaper gave that particular aluminum an almost prismatic finish. Was really neat to see the finished part installed too!👍👊
I was trained on shapers in college but have never seen them used in the real world. Nice job!!!
I have a shaper attachment on my milling machine. I have had it for 20 years and never used it
I will find a reason to do so.
Thanks for the informative vid.
The more I watch the shaper the more I like it
The machining process is the easy part, the work holding is the puzzle. In a production environment you'd have tooling, but for one offs it's all down to experience. Nice Job.
@Abom79 that was an Awesome Job for the Shaper Machine. Everybody always wants to use a Mill. Ever since I started watching yours and Steve's channel I have fell in love with the Shaper. It is way more versatile of a Machine than most people realize. Great Video! Thanks for sharing it.
Plus having a great assortment of clamps, jacks, etc., for holding the part is just as important too. If ya can't hold it, ya can't machine it.
@@jimbeaver3426 I concur 100%
You certainly could flatten the face using a reasonably flat surface and sand paper. But He has a shaper so it has to be used. This video is a great lesson on setting up oddly shapped parts.
For those of us without a shop full of machine tools and measuring stuff you can get a decent flat plate by asking a shop that makes stone counter tops. Ask them for a sink cutout. I got mine for free. The operator said he would have to pay to have it hauled so i could take it away.
Brilliant idea about the granite sink cutouts!
I wanted to see what 70 strokes per minute looked like so I set the playback speed to 2x and I don’t blame you for keeping it at 40
Your knowledge , attention to detail and common sense approach to your work is rare for such a young man. Good job.
Totally agree with you! He would make both my Dad and Grandfather super proud!!
Pardon my french but damn, that finish is something to brag about. Your shaper did a magnificent job on that piece. Sat me back seeing you set that part up on that table and indexing the throw on the shaper ram. Showed me something new - thank you. Keep putting these videos out and I'll keep watching them.
abom79 you are a true craftsman. I would watch all day long if i did not have to work. Keep them coming and great work.
Man I know it's not the focus of the video but I'm mesmerized looking at the hand scraping that went into that shaper ram dovetail.
My dad was a machinist when I was growing up and I always regret never soaking up any of that knowledge or being able to discuss what he worked on before he passed. Love these videos, especially when you show how you need to mount and position the workpiece.
I always find that the more difficult holding challenges are the most interesting!
A really interesting video. I haven't seen a shaping machine here in the UK since I started a college course back in the early 80's. Seeing the surface finish you achieved compared with what I saw at college has only confirmed what I always thought, that being that the tutors were either no good or didn't care. I left the course as I was paying but learning nothing. I'm self taught and run my own little shop here making parts for vintage motorcycles. I believe that engineering is in a bad way here in the UK but at least some of us are trying.
Great video, inspiring. Thanks Adam.
I'm in the UK and need a small machinest for some of my creations, do you have a website or method of contact?
I need brake adapter brackets making immediately, I could just go the engineering firm route of course but I'd rather promote a small business being a small business myself! I build cars and engines, working with alot of composites these days, I'm in Dorset!
Can't wait to see how you manage that steam engine crankcase in that shaper!! That will be a challenge I think.
Need a bigger shaper!
I'm a big fan of your patience,and skill! Can't wait for your next video!
I really like the patience and time you take to correctly setup your hardware and exactly explain every single step.
here, hold my beer while I fire up the belt sander and flatten that for ya........ LOL
I really like your channel. Interesting projects with just enough tech talk to let us know what's happen but not so much as to put a non-machinist to sleep. Thanks for taking the time & effort to video and post your precision work.
The level of finish you're getting from that shaper is really impressive. No need to surface grind out the machining marks. I know those often don't matter, but I also know you like a top level finish on the parts you make.
I have watched just about everyone one of your videos. Your attention to detail is equalled only by your knowledge and experience. You value the tried and true that has gone before you and honor it in your craft.
You seem like a kind, and likable fellow. The fellow you did this job for is blessed to be able to call you friend.
a few things
-as a millwright I have to say please get your machine on the concrete, I know you know wood enough to know it won't last especially when it's being rocked on, but also consider that the wood retains moisture and that the absorption and evaporation of moisture is actually changing the footing of the machine differently at each point of contact, this can and will adversely affect your machine including the wear on your ways, the rocking will add to the problem. Sorry for the run-on sentence. I know you're a busy man and getting it on the ground and the perspective/finality of getting the machine in it's final place sometimes takes away from the magic/character of the machine. I always enjoy your videos and the final product your craft ends with. All the best.
cool approach for those with a shaper. Without, old school it on a surface plate (or granite counter, or glass sheet) with successive wet and dry paper will get it close enough to seal. Built many an engine in the shed with minimal tooling, some have gone a half dozen miles before grenading.
It's amazing that such a large machine that moves so much is so incredibly accurate. Love watching the shaper.
Very Nice Job. Now I know what a shaper is capable of doing.
That’s better than any fly cutter would do.Hats off!!
Always enjoyable to watch a true professional at work
That shaper is working so nice. Great setup. Great work. Thank you
Great to see you are helping the small car enthusiasts around you. It is so hard for us to find people that are willing to do stuff like this.
In Belgium it is even harder to find someone.
Ah a fellow Belgian on this channel 👍
Sounds like a business opportunity. Find some WWII era shaper, clean it up and start a Belgium Abom channel.
@@realfoggy If I had the place, a mill and a lathe would already be in my possession.
Have to wait a few more years until I get my garage build!
@@Dirkxke I understand and can't wait to see the first video. 😉
Tom Wagemans, even from The Netherlands !
Thats a very professional setup there. Thanks for the commentary. I appreciate the explanations.
If you go to put the shaper on the concrete check out E&E speciality products. They make awesome hollow leveling screws that may make leveling the shaper way easier.
Good job,tap magic for aluminum works wonders.When you first got the G&E I kinda thought wow,what a dinosaur,hadn’t seen one since 84’,senior year of HS,we had one in Mach Shop class. For a one man shop it has its advantages,you can set it up,let her run and do other work,and we all know time is money in a shop environment.
I love how clean your work benches are it really shows what a professional you are. Your Dad and Grandfather would be proud of your accomplishments
Adam is a master of his trade.
he;s certainly shaping, up to be.. xD
@@GNARGNARHEAD I almost had a stroke reading your name.
you should make an attachment for this G&E Shaper that allows you to put one of your polishing stones in to refine the surfaces with
In my early days I used to hand file intakes and port them. Oh how I would have loved a shaper back then. Seasons best and onward to 20.
The movement and sound of this machine is so relaxing and satisfying
It would be interesting if payed a angled plate on the flange before and after the GE shaper work to see the difference in flatness!
Honestly a lot of times with things like this and especially with cylinder heads, you want a little bit of the tool marks left as opposed to a mirror finish (I know this isn’t exactly mirror, but you see what I’m getting at). It helps the gaskets seal. I’m sure that will work just fine as well and you obviously know what your doing, just an observation from an engine builders perspective. That’s pretty damn cool.thanks for sharing again!
You're right, especially on head gasket surfaces. Sometimes the gasket company will give a 'spec' for surface finish...
That oughta seal all those Bars in just fine. Looks great, as expected.
Great job of setting up. Finished product better than original. When serving my time in 1947 we were warned not to get too close to the shaper as many student were hit on the head by the ram. Carl from down under Woy Woy Australia.
The woodworker in me says run it over the jointer. 🤷♂️🙂👍
This Old Tony used a hand plane in one of his videos.
Whoa, hold up there buddy. Was that an Imperial or Metric 90°? haha
As far as I'm aware, that weird rainbow pattern you're seeing in a fine smooth surface is an interference pattern reflecting different wavelengths of light at the size of the surface imperfections in the order of 0,4-0,7 microns, or somewhere just under a ten-thousandth. When your shaper work is affecting the physics of light, you're in the money!
Cheers for a great Sunday morning breakfast special as always, greets from Finland.
exactly.. similar to looking at the surface of a CD
Diffraction is the word you're looking for. Interference is something different.
As always great job! Appreciate the recommended alternative ways of getting the job done. Looking forward to your future projects!
Man this is another great video, now i understand why you prefer this method over milling. now your mate can seal this intake to his motor no worries. cheers!
Nice mirror finish on that aluminium looked like it been bored or honed , class work 👍 happy new year
It may have been interesting to run an indicator across the surface after cutting.
Too much in life nowadays i see people who are more proud of themselves at all the steps they skipped and corners they cut to get a job done and never try to do it right , with the right tools and the right way. I’ve come to realize thats what i like most about your work and channel. You aspire to do things the right way , with the right tools and a great example of how those efforts are always well worth the finished results. Way more pride in the time and effort to do it right than the pride of skipped steps and chances taken in my opinion.
Wished you lived down the road, would be honoured to have you as a teacher. :)
I really like watching you figure out your set-ups. Its my favorite part. Honestly, watching the shaper work is just mildly interesting to me, but that's my problem, lol.
It would have been interesting to take off the support and clamps and run the indicator to see if it maintained flatness.
Nice work 👍 love the shaper
Would of been nice to have seen you dial in side to side after clamping the piece down, love your work sorry to comment,
Exactly what I was wondering as well
I did that off camera just to double check, it was just straight after clamping as before.
I've machined just about everything there is to machine and there are three rules. Fast , cheap and accurate...You can have two and you sir, Gave him all three.
This video was awesome! Attention to detail is on another level. It’s really refreshing that you appreciate the process and treat specialty jobs as a piece of art not just another run of the mill job.
The person who designed that machine had to have been crazy as hell. That is the most Dr. Suess-ass device I have ever seen.
Nick Joslin: Nope, not crazy, just very smart engineers who fully understood how to design heavy duty machines for industry.