Many times video issues on PCI cards come from boards that do not assign a IRQ for the PCI slot adjacent to the AGP slot. Many boards do this so that they can incorporate six PCI instead of five. There are certain add in PCI adapters that do not require a IRQ address. Moving it to the second PCI slot should resolve the issue. This can also be caused by a hard jumpered preset IRQ on a device or a Plug N Play device that is plugged into a motherboard that is set to NON PNP OS. If you enter the BIOS menu and enter PNP OS instead of NON PNP OS it when you reset the system it will do a resource allocation instead of relying on you to preset the add in cards so that they do not conflict with the current hardware parameters.
Nice score on that P3 1ghz! Be careful with mounting coolers on those, notorious for chipping or cracking the corners of them. Some even had little pads in the corners to help mitigate that. Athlon CPUs did that too.
commenting early while you're overclocking the P3 600Mhz PCU, one thing I always did was reduce the multiplier but up the FSB, for example, 4x 150Mhz is still 600Mhz for the CPU, but with a 50% faster FSB, however some CPUs have locked multiplier (or multiplier set by jumper) so that sometimes that's not an option or harder to do...
For sure. I tried holding it more in the straight up position during one of the attempts and no luck. When I go to focus on this board a little more, I am going to be much more conscience of that. Thanks!
try and bridge the 2 pointing points of the chipset cooler on board number 4 with a wire even though one is missing. some of the mounts on those chipset coolers are part of a circut that should be closed to work properly
Great idea. I thought that and it still didn't work. I tested continuity and ground and nothing. There is definitely something funny with this board and probably the reason the heatsink was removed in the first place. I haven't given up yet - it's on my list of to do's (which is growing) haha. Thanks again!
14:30 You can push the FSB as far as 133 MHz as long as you keep the PCI bus as low as original which is 33 MHz. I suspect when the settings chosen for 120 MHz paired with 40 Mhz PCI failed because of the latter.
Thanks! I know you can choose manual VS the auto configuration on this board for tweaking. I suspect getting to. 700mhz wouldn't be too much of an issue. I've read online some have gotten over 800, although I am not sure how adventurous I want to be haha! Thanks for watching!
@@TheRetroRecall I remembered during the days that I had an 450 MHz Pentium III overclocked to 600 MHz with a PC 100 SDRAM just running the FSB to 133MHz. Everything ran just fine as long as the case doesn't get too toasty.
Why always talking in overclocking the CPU? Why not go in the downclock way in order to do a very flexible DOS machine? In now days, if we need a faster system move from slot 1 to skt370 for example
I guess I could, however generally at that time people OCd their systems and tried to get the most out if them. For any apps / games requiring slow CPUs today...I have many of those systems available to use.
@@TheRetroRecall I see your point. I was thinking like Phil Computer Lab, having a very flexible system that I could run games with speeds from 386 until the latest Windows XP or Windows 98. An AIO system
Haha, sounds like the perfect vintage build. I have a spare Voodoo2 Card... I should put that to use. My Voodoo3 PCI is in my P200... however I may be wasting its abilities being throttled by the CPU...
You can only push PCI cards to 37.5 MHz before they become unstable. Given the PIII-600 is a Katmai, it might not overclock as well as the Coppermine parts. I just recently acquired a PIII-550 Katmai, which I will be testing once I've cleaned it up.
I'm glad you enjoyed, and I think you mean the 4th MB. I'm sure we are fine as it was very short times and I stopped to prevent damage. It may also be a sign that there was an issue to begin with which is why the heatsink is off of it to begin with? Only time will tell!
Awesome. That's why I love them so much - stability and reliability. I also loved the AOpen boards as well, however they didn't top the Asus line! Thanks for watching!
The socket 939 board... from memory nVidia chipsets were kinda HOT, so be careful at heatsink and if it's hot maybe consider replacing the thermal paste. I don't think this chipset has that bad solder problem that caused lots of nvidia chipsets for Intel motherboards to break but double check - I had an Intel D805 with an Asus board that nVidia chipset (P5ND2-SLI-Deluxe) and that red chipset was very hot, was hovering at around 70-80c The super socket 7 board is indeed nice. Shame it didn't have some kind of onboard sound, but with the ISA slots it's a good opportunity to use an ISA soundcard. I would suggest running Windows 2000 on it, instead of Windows Me or 98 SE... with some library updates, you can still run modern browsers like Firefox or PaleMoon.
This is awesome, thanks for the advice and info. I've been itching to do a 2000 build, I think that may just be a great candidate. Suggestion on sound card?? :)
PCI freq and the video card could also be a reason it didn't post at 120 FSB. It's good to experiment with other options with more tame PCI speeds if even above 120 FSB. 133 FSB has multiple options for the PCI freq, so maybe it will post with that. Or maybe a different video card even. The P3B ASUS board.
Nice video, i think because i see that all that motherboard have USB slot, you can easily build a freedos USB drive with Rufus, get in some software some driver like unisound or even SB emu to test the onboard audio, i have done It for my system and It work fine on Pentium D m/b on Pentium 4 or core2duo and on i5 and i7 from the third to the fourth generation tested. With that you can test that board a lot Better if they are able to start from USB.
Thanks for the feedback and for the sub!! I knew going into the video we would be going over each one in detail and the thumbnail has a good indication of what they are so I figure we were good to go haha. Again thanks for subbing and watching. More to come :)
@@TheRetroRecall You can get a single throw switch to make your PSU turn on circuit. Be cheaper than buying some pre-built one. You can also make it cool and mount the POWER ENGAGE button on something
Hi, not sure what could be happening. TH-cam maybe? I know there is an E-waste Special that had issues with rendering and was uploaded that couldn't be corrected. All other videos have streamed well :)
Hi, nice boards! I have the 2 Asus P3's that you tested too. Slot 1 with Win98 and 370 with P3 1Ghz and Win2k. Both with Dimm ECC memory. I recommend updating the BIOS afterwards.
Wow that ECS Athlon 64 combo was the first PC I built with all the bargain bin items at PC World. The motherboard was barebones (but is still going strong), the CPU was a good workhorse, but unfortunately I paired it with the worst GPU ever (which I think was similar to the one you tested it with) and it struggled to run Windows desktop. It was so bad I 'upgraded' to a NVIDIA 210 and it seemed like a massive boost!
Thanks for sharing... this is exactly why I do this! I think getting 4 out of 5 boards is a good start to some future builds. Hope you are subscribed as there is more coming soon! :) thanks for watching!
About this AOpen 478 'board - it's not a memory,its something else,i think.
Probably,reflash the bios , with an external usb flasher.
For sure, it will be on the list if things to try. I'm convinced we can get it going!
Many times video issues on PCI cards come from boards that do not assign a IRQ for the PCI slot adjacent to the AGP slot. Many boards do this so that they can incorporate six PCI instead of five. There are certain add in PCI adapters that do not require a IRQ address. Moving it to the second PCI slot should resolve the issue. This can also be caused by a hard jumpered preset IRQ on a device or a Plug N Play device that is plugged into a motherboard that is set to NON PNP OS. If you enter the BIOS menu and enter PNP OS instead of NON PNP OS it when you reset the system it will do a resource allocation instead of relying on you to preset the add in cards so that they do not conflict with the current hardware parameters.
Awesome, thanks for this tip! Although we got through it, I am going to try it again. Thanks!
Nice score on that P3 1ghz! Be careful with mounting coolers on those, notorious for chipping or cracking the corners of them. Some even had little pads in the corners to help mitigate that. Athlon CPUs did that too.
Yes, was a great find! Sounds good. I will be very cautious!
commenting early while you're overclocking the P3 600Mhz PCU, one thing I always did was reduce the multiplier but up the FSB, for example, 4x 150Mhz is still 600Mhz for the CPU, but with a 50% faster FSB, however some CPUs have locked multiplier (or multiplier set by jumper) so that sometimes that's not an option or harder to do...
Smart. I don't think I gave it much thought as I was just playing around. I used to OC the Celeron 300A big time back in the day.
A super socket 7 board with AGP, PCI and ISA slots - damn, that's a lot of configurations you can do! Congrats!
Lots of great finds and sooo many options for future channel builds!
Even better... AGP Pro !!!
Yes! To be honest it was my first one I've come across :)
I'm guessing that the BIOS won't let you decrease the multiplier? If you could, you could probably run at 5x133 (667MHz) and have it be stable.
I think it can, I will have to take a look and double check. Thanks for the tip!!
Your 600 Pentium 3 seems to be a Katmai (2.0v core voltage) and 600~650Mhz is the limit for this version. latter 1.8v coppermine can go up to 1Ghz.
Awesome, thanks for that info!
WinME - 4 - LiFE!
Win 3.0 MME & Win ME, My First & My Favorite despite the trouble it got me into lol
Haha!
That Slot1 P!!! seems to me a Katmai one, which has an external 512k cache. I don't think that it will overclock well.
Thanks I will have to take a look and find out more about it. For the video, it was more for fun without much digging in :)
Expansion cards dont like being in the slot leaning off to the side…
Keep them sticking straight up…
For sure. I tried holding it more in the straight up position during one of the attempts and no luck. When I go to focus on this board a little more, I am going to be much more conscience of that. Thanks!
@@TheRetroRecall Great vids keep it up. Apologies if I sounded terse in the initial comment, in a rush.
No problem at all!!!!
try and bridge the 2 pointing points of the chipset cooler on board number 4 with a wire even though one is missing. some of the mounts on those chipset coolers are part of a circut that should be closed to work properly
Great idea. I thought that and it still didn't work. I tested continuity and ground and nothing. There is definitely something funny with this board and probably the reason the heatsink was removed in the first place. I haven't given up yet - it's on my list of to do's (which is growing) haha. Thanks again!
for the p4 board check the cpu 4 pin power connector. i had a few 875p boards that had bad 4 pin cpu connectors.
Love the suggestion, I will definitely do some testing.
how far a cpu can overclock really depends on luck because manufacture tolerances
For sure, I did it for a little fun. Much more testing for the future!
Very interesting video. Like!
Thanks!
With socket 7 it can be the video card it does not like, have had that issue myself
Thanks! I will definitely be trying others to ensure stability!
14:30 You can push the FSB as far as 133 MHz as long as you keep the PCI bus as low as original which is 33 MHz. I suspect when the settings chosen for 120 MHz paired with 40 Mhz PCI failed because of the latter.
Thanks! I know you can choose manual VS the auto configuration on this board for tweaking. I suspect getting to. 700mhz wouldn't be too much of an issue. I've read online some have gotten over 800, although I am not sure how adventurous I want to be haha! Thanks for watching!
@@TheRetroRecall I remembered during the days that I had an 450 MHz Pentium III overclocked to 600 MHz with a PC 100 SDRAM just running the FSB to 133MHz. Everything ran just fine as long as the case doesn't get too toasty.
Why always talking in overclocking the CPU? Why not go in the downclock way in order to do a very flexible DOS machine?
In now days, if we need a faster system move from slot 1 to skt370 for example
I guess I could, however generally at that time people OCd their systems and tried to get the most out if them. For any apps / games requiring slow CPUs today...I have many of those systems available to use.
@@TheRetroRecall I see your point. I was thinking like Phil Computer Lab, having a very flexible system that I could run games with speeds from 386 until the latest Windows XP or Windows 98. An AIO system
For sure. Maybe we will set something up like that in the future!
That 1GHz Pentium III and the board is great for a Windows 98 / Me retro machine, I'd add a VooDoo Card or a GeForce 3 Ti 200 in there.
Haha, sounds like the perfect vintage build. I have a spare Voodoo2 Card... I should put that to use. My Voodoo3 PCI is in my P200... however I may be wasting its abilities being throttled by the CPU...
You can only push PCI cards to 37.5 MHz before they become unstable. Given the PIII-600 is a Katmai, it might not overclock as well as the Coppermine parts. I just recently acquired a PIII-550 Katmai, which I will be testing once I've cleaned it up.
Thanks for the info. I'll test it out!!
The first thing,that "jumped" at me of the 478 motherboard,is that luck of northbridge cooler.
For sure. We are going to pursue getting it all fixed up - definitely hoping to get it going!
Nice video to wake up to, hopefully that 5th motherboard's chipset isn't totally fried without a heatsink!
I'm glad you enjoyed, and I think you mean the 4th MB. I'm sure we are fine as it was very short times and I stopped to prevent damage. It may also be a sign that there was an issue to begin with which is why the heatsink is off of it to begin with? Only time will tell!
Another great video! Slowly becoming my new favorite youtuber
Wow, thanks for the compliments!!!! It's a lot of work, but comments like this make it all worth while! Thanks again :)
Those Asus boards are solid. I used the P3B-F on my third computer with a Pentium III 700MHz. Stable and rock solid.
Awesome. That's why I love them so much - stability and reliability. I also loved the AOpen boards as well, however they didn't top the Asus line! Thanks for watching!
The socket 939 board... from memory nVidia chipsets were kinda HOT, so be careful at heatsink and if it's hot maybe consider replacing the thermal paste. I don't think this chipset has that bad solder problem that caused lots of nvidia chipsets for Intel motherboards to break but double check - I had an Intel D805 with an Asus board that nVidia chipset (P5ND2-SLI-Deluxe) and that red chipset was very hot, was hovering at around 70-80c
The super socket 7 board is indeed nice. Shame it didn't have some kind of onboard sound, but with the ISA slots it's a good opportunity to use an ISA soundcard. I would suggest running Windows 2000 on it, instead of Windows Me or 98 SE... with some library updates, you can still run modern browsers like Firefox or PaleMoon.
This is awesome, thanks for the advice and info. I've been itching to do a 2000 build, I think that may just be a great candidate. Suggestion on sound card?? :)
PCI freq and the video card could also be a reason it didn't post at 120 FSB. It's good to experiment with other options with more tame PCI speeds if even above 120 FSB. 133 FSB has multiple options for the PCI freq, so maybe it will post with that. Or maybe a different video card even. The P3B ASUS board.
Awesome, thanks for this info!
My first Pentium(90) had an ATI Mach 64 card, that was back in Oct/Nov 1994.
Nice!!
Nice video, i think because i see that all that motherboard have USB slot, you can easily build a freedos USB drive with Rufus, get in some software some driver like unisound or even SB emu to test the onboard audio, i have done It for my system and It work fine on Pentium D m/b on Pentium 4 or core2duo and on i5 and i7 from the third to the fourth generation tested. With that you can test that board a lot Better if they are able to start from USB.
Thanks for this info! I will definitely look into doing that to test!
you need chipset holder thingy to make contact with two leads, you are missing one, so find a way to connect them
Thanks for this! Will do!
The intro, I kept trying to look closer at the boards and your hands are in the way! I sub'd!
Thanks for the feedback and for the sub!! I knew going into the video we would be going over each one in detail and the thumbnail has a good indication of what they are so I figure we were good to go haha. Again thanks for subbing and watching. More to come :)
@@TheRetroRecall You can get a single throw switch to make your PSU turn on circuit. Be cheaper than buying some pre-built one. You can also make it cool and mount the POWER ENGAGE button on something
Anyone dropping frames on this one?
Hi, not sure what could be happening. TH-cam maybe? I know there is an E-waste Special that had issues with rendering and was uploaded that couldn't be corrected. All other videos have streamed well :)
Love slot 1 and socket A motherboards
Agreed!!!!
Sooo jealous...super socket 7
It was quite the find / surprise for sure!
Nice the p3 1000
Agreed! Very happy it fired up.
Hi, nice boards! I have the 2 Asus P3's that you tested too. Slot 1 with Win98 and 370 with P3 1Ghz and Win2k. Both with Dimm ECC memory. I recommend updating the BIOS afterwards.
Awesome!!! Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into it!
Wow that ECS Athlon 64 combo was the first PC I built with all the bargain bin items at PC World. The motherboard was barebones (but is still going strong), the CPU was a good workhorse, but unfortunately I paired it with the worst GPU ever (which I think was similar to the one you tested it with) and it struggled to run Windows desktop. It was so bad I 'upgraded' to a NVIDIA 210 and it seemed like a massive boost!
Thanks for sharing... this is exactly why I do this! I think getting 4 out of 5 boards is a good start to some future builds. Hope you are subscribed as there is more coming soon! :) thanks for watching!
I love the slot 1 boards too...have a couple Gateway amd slot A's as well
That's awesome!! It would be cool to get a dual slot 1 someday!
@@TheRetroRecall See them for sale all the time...expensive
Yes for sure! One of these days, you will see one on this channel haha!
Asus CUV4X is one of mine favorite motherboards, the SS7 is a good find too.
Awesome, I love Asus (and Aopen) boards in general! Thanks!!