So many people use Kibbe, color analysis, style essence etc. as rules instead of tools. They are confused because they think dressing according to these will give you style but style is taking who you are and expressing that to the world around you through the clothing you wear. Even if dresses opposite of best lines or colors if it’s authentic to the person it’ll likely work (there are some exceptions).😊
This is a great way to put it! Use them as a tool and not hard and fast rules. I take these into consideration but still dress outside of my lines and colors.
@@stylerefinement I know Kibbe does not use pure body types anymore but I think you might be a even closer to a pure natural than a soft natural. And that aligns even closer to your minimal boyish style.
The outfits with waist emphasis look best on you. So Soft Natural? I think the clothes that are loose or big on you overwhelm your body. For dresses, ankle length or above is more flattering on you.
I think SN. Tied shirt was great. I think the watercolour on the maxi breaks the vertical and makes it suitable for SN. I can see width in your shoulders and curve/flesh in your legs like you said. I don’t see vertical though, which is why I think you feel better showing ankle skin in the flowy trousers. The dramatic classic blouse was also flowy, so a “natural” version of structure. However, I’ve kind of given up on figuring out my exact type and just experiment because the system seems very finicky.
The tied shirt looks the best in my opinion. The blazer is too long and over-sized. The long dress: I like it with the belt. But the white dress was my favorite. The shirts: the last one. I love stripes!
I wish that we could have seen all of the outfits with your face included. That being said, I really think that natural family vibed with you while the DC and FG looked incongruent with your frame especially that cropped jacket. Donate that puppy now! I liked a little bit of oversizedness. I think your instincts were correct. You could do another video pairing FN and SN and show your face. Then we can say for sure.
I definitely think you were right the first time. I have never thought you could be anything other than a natural. I see a lot of bluntness , some width and I do see length . I think the gamine dress looked very disharmonious on you due to the narrowness , the short length and the narrow straps , it just made your shoulders look even wider and stronger and it looked very off , the stripe crop top and narrow trousers looked off on you but the same outfit with width looked fine . I think you would look great in fn or sn lines . Maybe go to a shop and try a cowl neck / draped neckline top and see if that resonates with your body?. Taking in all the details and rules in mind I'm most like an SG on paper but I don't actually look good in SG lines I just look disharmonious and silly but the TR lines look perfect on me and the details resonate well. At the end of the day it's an holistic approach not a rule book . It's not about what looks good on paper but what actually looks good on you ,It's about how we can look our best , what the best lines are for us , it's not about trying to squeeze ourselves into a cookie cutter shape it's about what looks harmonious on our body and what makes our body shine . With the details on paper most people seem to forget that
I like the Soft Natural styles on you the best. Although you do look adorable in some of the FG, you seem much more comfortable in the SN. Great video❤
I think you can rule out FG & DC. I see a Natural and I'm leaning FN. I know you don't have automatic vertical from your height and also that Kibbe doesn't consider your face anymore however, I think the length of your face is also hinting at the elongation in your bone structure
You seem to have good intuition about what looks good on you. I’ve never really had that intuition for myself. That is why knowing my kibbe is valuable to me, because now I don’t wear things that look awkward, nor buy things I’ll never wear.
Team Gamine! What a fun video! I think you have a short vertical line and gamine suits you best. Each of the natural categories made you look as if you were swimming in the clothes but the gamine styles fit your proportions perfectly.
I totally agree. I really don't fit any of these categories. Why try and squish ourselves into these groups? I do feel that most people can learn what really works for them without kibbe.
True I find the body matrix by ellie roydan jean much more helpful. It takes the aesthetics/vibes out of it, makes it very clear and all encompassing IMO
I like definitely the waist definition on you. I’m going with soft natural first and then flamboyant classic. You look great in almost all of the outfits imo.
This is excellent!! I think I have finally decided my kibbe body type doesnt really matter what matters is this journey got me to explore what I actually enjoy wearing. I think I always looked decent but I didnt enjoy or feel confident in being able to go in my closet and pull out something easily. I feel closer to a more authentic me now and while I am still sorting my wardrobe out, I feel happier than I have in a very long time. I can walk in my closet and have lots of options because I got rid of the noise.
I'll swim against the currents here and I'll say I think you got it right since the beginning. Vertical is having literal elongation (being tall) or having a prolonged straight line through the body, which is why short people aren't automatically disqualified from vertical-dominant IDs. It's clearly not too common but it can happen and I think you might be the perfect example of that! I also think width appears to be very clear on you. Besides all of that, the common problem with Kibbe's system and its discourse on youtube/tiktok is that people tend to reduce it to body parts and to trying the outdated clothing recommendations that were made for the 80s when it's pretty much an essence-based system too. Flamboyant Gamines have a playful sassiness to them that doesn't match the laid-back straight-to-the-point vibe that we see on your videos (and the same goes with Soft Naturals and their sensual girl-next-door type of beauty they emanate). I think that you match better with FN in most aspects and not only with the way clothes look on you Also for anyone who might see this (if someone does lol): Putting belts or emphasizing our waist is not something reserved to yin types, every type can do it and every type can look great with it
Can I like this twice?! 9/10 people look "better" with a little waist definition, so that can't define the body type. I'm an enthusiast, not an expert, but I definitely think you got it right the first time. I also think it's *wild* that anyone would describe you as fleshy. I think you have a moderately blunt, athletic build, but perhaps the perception of athletic figure has become really skewed by IG and the like.
I haven’t seen anyone else bring up the “essence” part of the Kibbe system. This is illuminating! Would you be able to add what is it about her that fits the FN essence? Maybe even include the last of the 4 - why not DC based on essence? Do you know of any place on YT or elsewhere that someone goes into the essence of each Kibbe ID? Thanks!
Also, waist definition and waist emphasis are two separate things in Kibbe’s system, as I understand it, many of us look good with waist definition but not necessarily the type of waist emphasis a romantic needs.
Honestly, my favorite look is 15:18 (right one, with blue jeans). The heaviness of the the jeans is nicely balanced by the tight top. Not only it looks beautiful on your frame, it also gives relaxed but slightly rebelious vibes. I'm biased though, bc I opt for similar silhouettes myself, and my build is pretty much like yours, even the same height. To exaggerated the proportions even more I like to put on even wider pants and a top that shows stomach a little.
My 2nd outfit thoughts: Oh interesting… I like it better with the belt! Without it, I cannot make out your lower frame, I’m overwhelmed by the wall of white, and the watercolor somehow seems muddied. But I love your shape with the belt and the watercolor looks lovely. Maybe it’s off bc you tend to cut your head off when showing the side by side?
Comparing yourself with people within your own demographics, if possible, is so important. To me, your body looks so narrow and delicate because I was comparing you with myself. Great job on this video as usual! I've been anxiously waiting for you to tackle this, thank you!
Soft natural Soft - some waist emphasis seems to be very flattering Natural- loose and relaxed fits are also very flattering. I dont know how well I understand natural style guidelines however so take my words with a pinch of salt 😊 you look lovely
Honestly, when I first found out about the body types and tried to place myself in that system, I thought I knew what I was. Then I took a test, which gave me a different result, which I accepted at first, but something didn't feel quite right. I took the test again and got yet another result, which made no sense to me at all and just confused me even more than I already was. In the end I just decided to go with my initial placement, because when I wear those lines it looks great on me, even though I had never worn them before (although I had wanted to, just didn't think it would suit me). I don't fit into my category 100% by means of the criteria, but when I wear those lines it just makes me look amazing. Same as with the color analysis, when I found my best color I just thought "wow!", because it looks so good on me. Basically, all of this is a good baseline to get an idea of what might suit you, but in the end you just need to see what really makes you pop and feel good as well. Everything else is just too confusing and you'll end up going around in circles making yourself crazy.
As you mentioned, you like certain elements of FG or different ID’s. That’s totally normal and good! Use them. Not everyone will only stick to suggestions from their type. I’m a SG and I hate certain high necklines on myself unless my shoulders are exposed, similar to you. I also love taking elements from FN such as elongation where I can, depending on texture and balance with the rest of the outfit, because I have a slightly ethereal essence which feels at home in something flowy. I can’t do cropped, short lines all the time everywhere and that’s okay. We do what we like and tailor or adjust it to suit our personal style and still flatter our frame!
I think natural lines complement you the best either way, but I think you suit FN best over SN actually. Also vibe-wise, so to say. The unconstructedness, longer lines and relaxedness of the clothes suits you (and of course even for FN's there's a point clothes get too loose haha). I think what you mention about focusing on what lines and elements suit you best, instead of types and rules, is indeed more helpful. (I mean, Kibbe has changed when (slight?) vertical happens to a shorter length, I believe that was around 2020, and now I suddenly can't be FG anymore, which really does suit my sharp, small/narrow and mixed length lines best. So I just go off these lines and tap into systems like McJimsey and Kitchener, leaning quite heavily into personality and preference/joy as well). I think that style has a big element of personality and preference anyways and if someone's style suits those two, I personally almost always like it (even when it's not for me).
Hi Jenn! You should look into the Japanese Skeletal Type System. I think you are the textbook example of a Straight type. Coincidentally, a lot of your style preferences follow the recommandations for this type. I like the flexibility the system gives towards choosing your own aesthetic, but adapting it to your morphology. EDIT: Nevermind, I just remembered you have a video on the topic. :P As for this video, I (still) think you are a Flamboyant Natural. Structure contradicts your beauty, because your body lines and face lines are of the more open, stronger, blunter type. (And while I love contrast between personal features and clothing, Kibbe isn't about that.) So I don't see FG and DC lines are your best in the Kibbe sense. The outfits are made of pieces that already suit you, so nothing is bad and some outfit are very cute, but you shine more in FN lines (again in the Kibbe sense). This brings me to my second part of my analysis: all the SN outfits you have shown are more suitable for FN types than for SN types. SN Outfit # 1: Even with the shirt tied around the waist, because it is still open, we see most of the narrow calf lenght dress whick still emphasizes your vertical. You don't to have a unbroken silhouette from neck to ankles to emphasis it. And because the black of the shirt is contrasting on the sides with the white of the dress, the dress looks even narrower and thus longer. And the way you tied up the shirt barely emphasis the waist, and it isn't enough even by SN standards. SN Outfit # 2: The belt separates the outfit 1:2 with the bottom part being longer. As in your video about youthful and mature faces, the fact that the bottom part that is longer tricks our eyes to make it seems the silouette is longer. Also, the watercolor motif at the bottom of the dress both brings the eye higher (by value contrast) and lower (still by value contrast as the blue is paler that the brown/grey part) and thus lenghten your silhouette. And (same problem as with SN outfit # 1) the belt is too thin (or too barely visible) and too loosely buckled to bring much waist emphasis or break the vertical significantly. Overall, for the pants outfits: Again, long solid-coloured high-waisted pants gives vertical to your outfits automatically. The pin tuck details and the straight fit of your dark blue pants contribute to this effect, and the slightly contracting sideseams of your jeans do too. And when you tuck your t-shirt in, it is the same effect as for tying your shirt or belting your dress from the same exact reason: it is done too loosely even by SN standards. (The white pants with the tigher waistband had potential though.) (Sorry if I get any detail wrong, I wasn't the most attentive during the latter part of the video.) Moreover combined with all of these details, the fabric of the clothing you use is not soft enough for a SN type. Or at least, not soft enough to outdo the other factors. Some FNs like their outfit to have less looseness and more waist emphasis than others, but it doesn't necessarily mean they are not dressing in their lines. Anyway, love your videos as always; they make me think a lot (productively) about my style. I'm over Kibbe now for my own style, but I love your brain too much to pass on the video. PS: English is not my first language.
Hm, this is actually not that easy. But my observations: Your shoulders do look dominant, your hips definitely don't. Also Kibbe curve is only about your bust, not your hips. Your bust has to create a curved out shape in combination with fabric falling down and over it. Width is about your shoulders, mainly, also has nothing to do with your hips. It is more about how a garment has to be constructed in order to not only fit you correctly, but also look right on you. That's why it's called "accomodations". I didn't dislike that last dress on you, but felt like it looked unbalanced and wanted to add some length to it. The bodice of it, I really loved, BUT I do like emphasized strong shoulders which has nothing to do with Kibbe's recommendations. He would probably tell you that the straps are way too delicate for you and you should not wear it. I actually felt like that dress made you look wider than you are AND shortened your vertical line. But I really love the style of it and if I was you, I would happily wear it, honestly. Because even if it isn't perfect for you, it still looks really cool and badass. And that also has nothing to do with how Kibbe's system works. I did stray away from using that system more and more, especially because I don't always wanna look the most polished and feminine (which is what the goal of all this actually is), I like tomboy-ish and androgynous looks, I like edgy looks, I like eclectic styles, I LOVE combining oddities. None of that would work out if I was to really stick to Kibbe's recommendations. But I did learn heaps from his system and that actually helped me to create all those visual effects with clothes that I love so much. So do I think his system is bad? No, not at all, it's a tool that can be incredibly helpful in order to create the EXACT image you want to achieve. But that's me having a very eclectic personality, I don't know how other people think about this, really (I'd like to hear the thoughts of your subscribers though, and yours if you happen to read this and find the time for it). Honestly I really liked that light dress you wore in the very beginning and loved it the most when you wore it just on its own. The black tops kind of created a broken line and also too much contrast. I think that makes it hard to decide which silhouette/shape works best for you. I personally love your style for you, your hair also adds a lot to it. You got such a beautiful and very special and interesting face too, that alone dominates your style or let's better call it "the visual effect of your style". I like what you do, I don't think there's a need for you to overcomplicate things and try to find your actual Kibbe image ID. But I know how it can feel if you REALLY wanna figure something out, I went through this too and am constantly finding other topics/systems that make me feel this way. Well... I guess I just like to push myself through and figure things out xD Maybe you're like that as well. I just wanna let you know that you are truly beautiful and already got such a cool style and sense of style. I don't care whatever system tells you whatever you should wear - that's just my perception and personal opinion. By the way, you give off strong, determined, independant and maybe even slightly intimidating vibes - which is absolutely not what a Soft Natural would "feel" like. But that could as well be part of your Kitchener essence blend. To me you don't appear soft and cute. You come across like a person one should take very seriously and a person one can rely on. That's the vibe I get from you at least. To me you also definitely don't come across like any type of Gamine. Their energy is different than yours. So if we got a close call, it would be between Dramatic Classic and Flamboyant Natural and yes, you can sit kind of in between the two. None of us fits perfectly in one box, or let's say MOST of us don't. I also used to think I might be FN and I was almost certain about this. Then I analysed my images with some more information on my mind and figured that I actually don't have width (or at least not enough to be FN), I also don't give off the FN vibe at all. I give off classic vibes. When I analysed my face, I felt like it would fit perfectly in the SC category, but my body doesn't. My body is more like that of a DC. But I don't look bad in any type of classic silhouette. I do think the fact that some recommendations for hair and make up can look CUTE and create a very sympathetic image, is what made me think that I could be a Natural. Because I do love that effect for myself. That broken up balance you can create on any classic with a slightly tousled and layered hairstyle. But as I said, I am not about creating "the most feminine, most polished" look on myself. When my mom said, the one celebrity she would say looked most like me when she was young, was Grace Kelly, and explained that she doesn't mean, I look exactly like her, but come across like her and have similar balance in my face, it clicked for me even more. And when she said that my type of elegance was different than that of Audrey Hepburn, I was like "Does my mom really just see all these things without knowing ANYTHING about Kibbe's system?!", also the "You're neither wide nor very delicate, but narrow and a bit square-ish because of your straight shoulders", comment really hit me. So maybe you know someone who has a great eye for proportions and shapes and you can ask them about it.
Thank you for this thoughtful comment! It's funny to me that you mentioned how I come across as somewhat intimidating, bc I actually get that a lot in person (before people get to know me I guess lol). It's so interesting how these impressions come across in similar ways even on this platform 😝 You're right about me being the type that needs to get to the bottom of things once curiosity is sparked haha! I also totally resonate with the "I don't always wanna be the most feminine and polished " as well - I think there can be more edge and interest created when we add our personal flair ❤
@@stylerefinement Since you're saying this, I should mention that you were the one that actually made me understand how the logic behind "your three style words" works. I somehow could not grasp it at all when watching other people's videos. But yours made it very easy to understand and I really resonated with your style words, maybe that's what made it click for me.
You might wanna check out Dwyn Larson`s style types - her system takes into account, that body proportions are incomplete without facial characteristics That`s how many more subtypes can be found in a more detailed and accurate way than KIbbe. Regarding the latter, I would have typed you a Soft Natural - but flamboyant gamine speaks to your rebellious side and angular body shape with rather sporty, small proportions. Your face on the other hand, gives off elongated, thus dramatic, and blunt, thus natural sides. Love your content!!! :)
I don’t know which outfit land in what category but for the white fitted dress i prefer with the tied black button down that highlights your waist, the wide leg pants with the cropped striped top, the long dress with water colour pattern belted (the black little dress is a close runner up but not with those running shoes must be personal preference but I just thing it was cutting your legs) in general I preferred your pants look with cuffed pants but I’m also 5’3 and it’s my go too so I don’t know if I just like what I regularly see in my mirror 😂
I liked the Soft Natural lines. I would say you are frame led with some softness. I don't think you are a gamine at all. There's nothing staccato about you, like you mentioned the long lines in your face. In my Kibbe journey I was hopeful I could feel confident in typing myself but I simply narrowed it down and all the clothing guidelines of those id's were similar enough and said here's a starting point. Then I started thinking about my daily life - I like cropped styles on me but I don't like cold ankles in the winter and when the mosquitoes are out I want full length pants. Sorry style is not worth 100 bites on my ankles. So I keep both lengths in my closet. I think my biggest take away from Kibbe was fabric. I think if you choose the right fabric for your body type you can get away with a lot of cuts that are "against your lines." Second biggest take away from Kibbe, is to learn how to see yourself objectively. It's infused at a young age to have hang ups about our looks and I didn't really start to unpack that until I started looking into Kibbe.
Love how much work you put in to every video pheew. Was the greatest watch of the week!!! I appreciate yhow much data you gave for us to think on and study lines. As for my opinion I think that categories are just categories, and you certainly know your body best and what a piece of clothing does to it more than anyone. But if we need an anchoring answer to which category you belong in the Kibbe and Mcjimsey system I would still insist that you are infact a flamboyant gamine: Firstly all the clothes are already coming from your wardrobe and I pointed how you already knew how to dress yourself. Aaaannd almost all of them are a variation of a FlamGam lines. Yet! I have to stress that there's not a definite like one perfect line for the gamine family, gamines are not like any other type and they have the most sub-categories. They come in very different shapes and sizes. So for example a higher neckline wont suit a flamboyant gamine woman with a busty or broader upper body (yes they exist) because that will make her top heavy and will look disregulated. What I'm saying is that you have contrasting body parts, your face is contrasting your body; your upper body is contrasting your lower half, your flesh is contrasting your skeleton, your bones as in their height individually are contrasting like your arms and legs. And voila! You by nature always pick contrasting colors, styles and fabrics as you may realize yourself aswell. We usually oversee our essences and mistaken them as our body type, which is still an improvement don't get me wrong, we all start somewhere to see ourselves objectively. Comment section is mostly leaning Soft Natural. Why is that? Firstly dare I say most Flamboyants Gamines like to wear natural lines with thicker fabrics, some slouchy gathers and its the best 2nd one of lines they can wear other than their own. Ooop! Starting with the first one: Shirt looks better because: your calves are showing and the dress drapes just right through your thighs to make their soft angles stand out. So you show off your softer and slightly muscular lower half. The blazers might suit your upper body however in this case makes the lower part look ambigious. And we already know that your upper body is frame dominant with blunt and sharp angles. So throwing on the shirt making it look unconstructed and giving it a waist emphasis making the look come together. The shirt has a thicker fabric and does not have a flowyness to it as its supposed to be to considered as a natural shirt. It keeps its shape with a contrasting color and fittedness around the elbow and waist. Also those sandals ties everything together. For the dress, I think this one is pretty easy, the dress itself is a flamgam dress alltogether. It cuts right on your ankle, has halter neck, it might lack contrast on some people, but againts your skin its popping and making a contrast with the white of your eyes and the darker value of your hair and eyes. You don't need a waist emphasis with every clothing for every flamboyant gamines, but then there's the likes of Kelly Osbourne who has so many blunt edges and wider stature without a fittedness around waist she would look heavier visually. However in your case you need a straighter look and could go maximum to an A line skirt maybe. I love the white denim has thick material with sharp plunging neckline but not in a sultry kind of way and looks just right with the black bandeau. As for the last dress i would consider it as a Theatrical Romantic outfit which you could pass it to someone else as you were contemplating hehe. It could look appropriate for you if it the skirt were a little longer and the top had coverage either for your arms like the first black shirt, or could cover up to the neck but the lower part then would had to be wider and loser. Best Ones: Baggier bottoms with a narrow top is superior to all of the other. Best next silhouette is a slimmer bottom with a fittedness at the upper waist and covering of the shoulders. Straight dress, no longer than ankles that shows the shoulders. Not the Best Ones: All classic lines Slimmer bottoms with unfitted shirt Top bottom flowy ones Extremely fitting bodycon TR presenting lines DC lines would be the least suitable type imo it just shadows your anima and for the poeple that predicted classic; just cause you love more subdued classic colors patters and clothes doesnt mean you are one, every color and pattern can accommodate every style Flamboyant Gamine ones are not truly Flamboyant Gamine as I said before they lean more Gamine to Soft Gamine except the TR dress. Anything other than the Flamboyant Gamine ones are the Flamboyant Gamine ones perse! Anyhow Jenn prioritizes comfort, simple coherent colors and patterns making her style essence classic and natural. Thats what we percieve out of what we see. Lines are a whole another thing. Thank you if you took time to read this piece of ''I had nothing today so I analyzed the grain out of Jenn's body and had fun doing it''. Love you Jenn 😘
Thank you so much for this comment - I resonated so much with "wearing natural lines with thicker fabrics" because I thought that SN lines would be absolutely PERFECT if fabric recommendations weren't as soft!
This is such a good idea for a video though I will admit I would find it easier to cast a vote if your face was in the side by sides too. I think head size and hairstyle gives more context too, just my personal opinion but you're stunning in so many things! As you said you've learned what works. Trust your instincts ❤🎉
On the white dress with horizontal ombre, when there is no waist definition, my eyes are drawn to your upper arms. When there is definition, my eyes are drawn toward the waist and your hands and the colors on the bottom.
I thought that the FN lines looked good until I saw the SN lines-every single time, I went ‘woah!’ The soft waist emphasis looks amazing. Cropping of FG looked more awkward to me (I’m a FG), and I thought it could look childish if done wrong. DC looked ‘fine’, just as you said, but a bit too stiff, and I felt like you looked restricted. If I had to rank, I’d go SN>FN>>DC/FG. But this was so interesting! I didn’t think I would have such a clear reaction.
For outfit 1, I'd say soft natural looks the most harmonious on you. The flamboyant gamine option also isn't bad, however I think I'd would be better with a shorter dress/ skirt😊
After watching this, I lean toward SN and DC for you, though all 4 styles had positive aspects. If SN is what feels the most comfortable on and your priority is comfort, then of course I support that ID, but I don't think one is overwhelmingly better than the other. But you bring up an interesting point about individual taste, comfort over style and how much personal bias influences what you see and think about your own style vs what others see and think. Maybe you could further discuss the impact and hindrance of personal bias when it comes to figuring out your own body type and colour season and how easily that can steer you in the right or wrong direction
I'm an FN and watching your prior video I was thinking you look softer, shorter and finer than I do (I'm 5'9"). I think you're a Natural, and I think even commented as such, but I think you're soft. The waist definition when the shirt is tied really balances your frame, same with the belt. You look great as an SN!
It's SN for me. I think regardless of Kibbe, being petite does require some general proportion tweaking for mass produced garments. So it makes sense to me that a petite SN would enjoy some FG recommendations.
Jenn! That process was SO Enjoyable! Thank you for your efforts. Put my vote into the soft natural zone. I also now think you are much softer than you are seeing. ( I am Natural, right in middle in Kibbe, and spring colour. You are more balanced through your bottom half than I). I liked the additional belt on the long dress. Would like to see another longer underlayer under the crop jacket, may make it work? I also think all systems need to be repurposed for different ethnicities. Heights and shapes and colouring etc inherently different right across the planet. Have fun with your rebranding and wish you the very best!
lol this video is just proving to ME that kibbe/body type styling can only do so much and the majority of "looking good" is personal taste. I'm jumping across all 4 categories and just landing on whatever "shape" or "vibe" I prefer in your outfits.
I love this system but it's quite confusing in practice, looking at every single feature individually won't always give the answer (length, vertical, curve or double curve) what I personally do is if the overall impression of the body is yin or yang leaning (SD is still a yang ID despite de curve), and narrow it down from there, I consider visual weight and angles more important than "accommodations" (structured vs relaxed).
I paused on the chart near the end that scatterplotted where the types lie in terms of contrast and yin/yang. I'm midsized/plus, so I've been struggling with how yin I am vs how much of it is flesh, and that's just what the chart showed for me! haha I'm looking among R, SC, and TR so it was funny to see where they were kind of clustered together.
Kibbe is so confusing to the point that I’ve kinda given up. I draw from Soft Dramatic, Flamboyant Natural, and Soft Natural silhouettes because those are the lines I’m most drawn to anyway. Beyond that, I’ve stopped stressing over it.
I have come to conclusion that I have features from all these same kibbe types and we have very similar frame, my shoulders are just slightly wider than yours I think. So difficult to decide which one I am! So looking forward to actually watching this now🤩🤌
The fourth style for me fits you the most, I liked the most when you accentuates your waist, with fluid fabric on the upper part of the body and a defined waist, you can use a fluid skirt, pants or dress on the bottom too, it looks nice. I think you are soft natural so rigidity, excessive ornamentation, won't go well together. Ancient greek outfits are a very good inspiration for your looks.
In most of your outfits, I liked in that order: soft natural Flamboyant gamine Dramatic classic..I didn't like it soo much of the Flamboyant natural until you showed us your face,than things matched perfectly,that's leave me thinking clothes don't really have ID and they are not soo diferent as I tought 🤔,dc,sn,fg and fn could share some pieces!! Note: I know not many people say this,but Flamboyant gamine actualy looks more like a mini natural than a dramatic, who looks like a mini dramatic is pure gamine. Dc can also have yang coming from natural but not to the point whereas width is dominant.
Definitely SN! 😊 Also, for classics, they don't actually look plain at all when they wear their lines, so it's an indicator that you are in fact not DC.
Great post. Agree with your summary and SN looks best. I think waist definition really suits as well as exposed ankles and wrists. You have best approach as you know what suits and breaking the rules doesn't hurt either as long as you feel confident...you'll look great which you do 😊
This was a fun video to watch - I'm not sure where I'd place you though. I liked the soft natural and flamboyant gamine looks the best though. I have a lot of trouble with kibbe and kitchener - I find it much easier to find my color season and analyze my face structure. I'm six feet tall, and don't feel like I fit into any of those other systems at all. Most of my clothes probably fit into some sort of classic/casual grouping.
That was a great video. You are one of the best TH-camr explaining Kibbe body types. I'm my opinion, you are FN, but still looks good in SN lines. I think people have a tendency to make everybody look like hourglass, that why so many votes for SN. you are definitely not FG (my body type) - it makes you look in younger sister clothes. Thicker and heavy, and you are absolutely not. DC, just no. Doesn't do anything to you. Boring. I love your chanel ❤ We need more topics like this one. Comparing styles is the easiest way to figure out where you are 😊
Kibbe’s book came out in 1987. I went to the salon/class that he offered in NYC in 1989 (or 1990🤷♀️I think..or 92..don’t remember exactly)So much fun to learn, get a makeup lesson for my type, hair cut and color, clothing and color schemes. A full day-but changed everything for me. I’m a classic-dramatic. Yes, I definitely am! I remember going home on the train and catching sight of myself in a store window-it stopped me in my tracks! I had arrived! Clothes, jewelry and my hair still represent this and I’ve always felt confident in my style and like myself. Best money I ever spent on myself. If you can do it, it will save you lots of $ and keep you from buying things that never work for you. I’ve had the book all these years and am grateful for it as a reminder.🩷
Dramatic Classic gives off sort of "too stiff" vibe on you, FG lines gives rebel/unexpected, which gives off fresh and fun vibe, without clashing with you in terms of "mature" features, as you give off creativity and passion as you speak and move. Both FN and SN look great, you are soo ... natural and cohesive in them, whilst FN is a "power"/"natural drama" (oversize does have a bit of rebellness in it) choice, SN is more of "balance"/"harmony" vibes.
Soft natural is really doing it for what I’m seeing, AND the tank dress with the basic blazer also looked good. Between DC and SN, I think. I totally feel you on 100% denim, it’s very restricting. I like a touch of elastane.
FG all the way to me Jenn ✨you absolutely lean towards yang but although strong you also look petite. You have that boyish vibe. You rock color blocks, narrow fitted shorter lines, and higher neckline cuts look better, not those N loose lines, but I'm no pro so..
these are all the style lines that I was struggling with! I love the Natural lines in general on you, with preference for the SN. The FG chops you up too much in the boxy cropped. I have heard, but I'm no expert, is that SN are loose and relaxed but with a little structure which is what you seem to like. Love the video, it helps me!
Thank you so much for this vid! After many years of trying to find my kibbe type, even after being typed by different style typers, youve actually helped me feel sure about my type! Like you, I'm not obviously curvy. However, the only jeans that have ever actually fit me are "curvy" ones. The other thing is i was underweight my whole life due to a health condition but now ive been able to gain weight to within the normal range. Now, ive noticed that i appear fleshy. The other thing is the weight i gained went to my face, upper arms, boobs and butt. I have been previously typed as a dramatic and as a Flamboyant natural. Both of these lines look horrible on me! The other day, i tried on soft dratic lines and seriously wow!!! I looked like myself! Its crazy. So ya just because we dont have small waists or large busts or even big hips, doesnt mean were not a soft type. I bet there are plenty of soft types who dont gain much in the thighs and hips byt do in the actual butt like me. Anyone else like this? Also wondering if there are any SD's here 👋
I not a soft dramatic but you put me doubt here...am I a romantic or teatrical romantic?? Or maybe I sm just gamine pure,I don't see much softness in my body😅,I just know I have petite..
seeing your faces changed it so much for me. I thought you were ricking the FG looks (not the blue dress & red shoes though lol maybe better with more simple shoes imo), but i agree that with your face it didn't quite match! very interesting. Keep up the amazing content!
The Kibbe system is a boxing system, offering a set of boxes, into which individuals seaking style help can put themselves based on a set of criteria, and once done, you have to dress/live the part - no room for rebelling against the assigned ”screen persona” (Kibbe’s system analyses the individual in two dimensions). Don’t forget that the Kibbe system PRE-assigned the essence to the body type. Yes, I know Kibbe has reworked the system, and it is now supposed to only work with body geometry, but it is still a system with preassigned essences, no matter how one tries to hide it - even the body type names are biased based on essence ideals, not neutral geometry-describing names. To be honest, I don’t see that many Kibbe self-styled people rocking great wardrobes, while I see a lot of people with great style, not following the Kibbe system. In my opinion, the reason why Kibbe’s own styling examples look good, is that he is a good stylist. His system doesn’t really replicate or systemise gis work process. There are many other style systems that don’t preassign any qualities that are not based on body geometry that seem more relevant. And judging from the spred in the comments, the system is a failure. You can’t be something specifically optimal and be everything else as well at the same time. If a body quality is to be somewhat objectively true, it should be observable to most of us.
My vote is also soft natural. You're such a fantastic creator and there is such a lack of modern SN content, so this result is definitely exciting! If you're interested in getting an objective opinion, Alyssa Rudman has typing services that are well priced. She typed me as an SN as well and I was really pleased to finally find my type and put the kibbe quizzes to rest once and for all.
I can tell you’re more comfortable in the SN lines. Your body moves differently. I think they look best on you. All of these looks look good on you in my opinion, but I see a difference between everything else and the SN. I also think your frame generally agreed with SN. Also, love your hair!!
I really like the soft natural and then the flamboyant natural on you. Although with the dip dye dress, I prefer it without a belt. This was a fun experiment, and a good idea for people who are trying to decide between image IDs . Especially your point about finding the common recommendations for the type you're torn between. I think you have a great eye for what works for you, though, so I agree that you don't really need to hold yourself to a type.
Great video! I totally agree that seeing your face with the outfit makes a difference to the overall impression. I have a similar struggle with typing myself. For years I've thought I was a dramatic classic though I find the need to tone down the formality and severity of those lines. But I think I may be flamboyant natural with a preference for simplicity. But I sometimes get confused and think maybe classic or soft classic . . .😅
I think Soft Natural. I like how you incorporate what you know looks good on you and what you avoid and other styling tools like Allison Bornstein's 3-words. Looking forward to more videos where you incorporate the many styling systems/tools together because, man, they can be confusing!!!
When you show your face, you are right, dramatic natural suddenly looks a lot better. You are right about the vertical lines in your face, too! You are very lucid and a very good judge of your style!
What I see is that you look best when there's a break in the waist area. The long A-silhouette dress makes you look childish which does not happen to flamboyant natural types. But with the belt your body immediately look more balanced. Agreed about the soft natural but flamboyant gamine - I think - could work with your face very well. You see, your facial features are not that soft, for example a sharp cat-eye looks amazing on you which means that your face is not very soft. So FG with its small V-necks, crop-tops and bright color accents could work well as well.
I am convinced you're a soft natural. All of the ones in that category looked so good on you (although you looked great in all) but the SN was the most fitting IMO.
I did like the bit of softness and looseness, but not way oversized for you. I would vote for soft natural. I think also I find that if pants are going to be "cropped", I think it should be tighter vs looser pants, personally. I think cropped wide leg looks like one outgrew their pants, but that's just me being old school I think. It was interesting to see how things looked on you, I would have thought gamine and tight would work great (it still looked good!), but I actually like a bit of looseness on you.
Like this comment if you'd actually like me to tally up the results and share it via Community post 😘
personally i think you are a gaminish soft natural ! like, a soft natural that is a bit closer to flamboyant gamine, if that makes sense :)
Did your Community tab disappear or is it just me?
Team soft natural 100%
So many people use Kibbe, color analysis, style essence etc. as rules instead of tools. They are confused because they think dressing according to these will give you style but style is taking who you are and expressing that to the world around you through the clothing you wear. Even if dresses opposite of best lines or colors if it’s authentic to the person it’ll likely work (there are some exceptions).😊
This is a great way to put it! Use them as a tool and not hard and fast rules. I take these into consideration but still dress outside of my lines and colors.
I think Soft Natural styling fits you in a beautiful and elegant way.
Based on your choices you are with no doubt a natural and in my opinion soft. 👍
Soft natural, with boyish/masculine/dramatic styling ! In any way, you look beautiful 🤩
Loved the "boyish/masculine/dramatic styling" part of this comment ❤
@@stylerefinement I know Kibbe does not use pure body types anymore but I think you might be a even closer to a pure natural than a soft natural. And that aligns even closer to your minimal boyish style.
@@PinkFlowersFoeverexactly what i was thinking right now!
The outfits with waist emphasis look best on you. So Soft Natural? I think the clothes that are loose or big on you overwhelm your body. For dresses, ankle length or above is more flattering on you.
I think the soft natural versions look very harmonizing on your body 😊
Although the others look fine; I think the slight waist emphasis in the soft natural silhouette is very flattering.
I agree.
I think SN. Tied shirt was great. I think the watercolour on the maxi breaks the vertical and makes it suitable for SN. I can see width in your shoulders and curve/flesh in your legs like you said. I don’t see vertical though, which is why I think you feel better showing ankle skin in the flowy trousers.
The dramatic classic blouse was also flowy, so a “natural” version of structure.
However, I’ve kind of given up on figuring out my exact type and just experiment because the system seems very finicky.
Tying the shirt at the waist and the belted waist are great on FN as well as SN because neither are severe at the waist. I'm an FN and wear both.
The tied shirt looks the best in my opinion. The blazer is too long and over-sized.
The long dress: I like it with the belt. But the white dress was my favorite.
The shirts: the last one. I love stripes!
I wish that we could have seen all of the outfits with your face included. That being said, I really think that natural family vibed with you while the DC and FG looked incongruent with your frame especially that cropped jacket. Donate that puppy now! I liked a little bit of oversizedness. I think your instincts were correct. You could do another video pairing FN and SN and show your face. Then we can say for sure.
Yes. Head size in assn to body is part of Kibbe elements and this was a strange choice and makes the experiment moot.
I definitely think you were right the first time. I have never thought you could be anything other than a natural. I see a lot of bluntness , some width and I do see length . I think the gamine dress looked very disharmonious on you due to the narrowness , the short length and the narrow straps , it just made your shoulders look even wider and stronger and it looked very off , the stripe crop top and narrow trousers looked off on you but the same outfit with width looked fine . I think you would look great in fn or sn lines . Maybe go to a shop and try a cowl neck / draped neckline top and see if that resonates with your body?. Taking in all the details and rules in mind I'm most like an SG on paper but I don't actually look good in SG lines I just look disharmonious and silly but the TR lines look perfect on me and the details resonate well. At the end of the day it's an holistic approach not a rule book . It's not about what looks good on paper but what actually looks good on you ,It's about how we can look our best , what the best lines are for us , it's not about trying to squeeze ourselves into a cookie cutter shape it's about what looks harmonious on our body and what makes our body shine . With the details on paper most people seem to forget that
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I like the Soft Natural styles on you the best. Although you do look adorable in some of the FG, you seem much more comfortable in the SN. Great video❤
I think you can rule out FG & DC. I see a Natural and I'm leaning FN. I know you don't have automatic vertical from your height and also that Kibbe doesn't consider your face anymore however, I think the length of your face is also hinting at the elongation in your bone structure
honestly I thunk considering face does make sense but nowadays is unreliable due to filters and plastic surgery so he stopped it
@@elizabethroa6970 he only considers face in in person appointments I believe ❤
You seem to have good intuition about what looks good on you. I’ve never really had that intuition for myself. That is why knowing my kibbe is valuable to me, because now I don’t wear things that look awkward, nor buy things I’ll never wear.
Team Gamine! What a fun video! I think you have a short vertical line and gamine suits you best. Each of the natural categories made you look as if you were swimming in the clothes but the gamine styles fit your proportions perfectly.
Maybe the problem is the theory itself. If we don't fit in the categories (I don't), what's the point of the theory?
I don't, either. Tall and wide (big bones) but curvy. My shoulders are not dominant and yet I am wide and 6' tall, with an hourglass shape
I totally agree. I really don't fit any of these categories. Why try and squish ourselves into these groups? I do feel that most people can learn what really works for them without kibbe.
@@isabelaisme6979 try ellie Jean royden. Her system is simplified and you would fit tall + wide + rounded
True I find the body matrix by ellie roydan jean much more helpful. It takes the aesthetics/vibes out of it, makes it very clear and all encompassing IMO
@@simransian9770Agreed 💯
I like definitely the waist definition on you. I’m going with soft natural first and then flamboyant classic. You look great in almost all of the outfits imo.
I haven't visited your channel for a long time. You look so cool! Fresher, brighter, younger!
Welcome back!❤
I liked soft natural the most.
This is excellent!! I think I have finally decided my kibbe body type doesnt really matter what matters is this journey got me to explore what I actually enjoy wearing. I think I always looked decent but I didnt enjoy or feel confident in being able to go in my closet and pull out something easily. I feel closer to a more authentic me now and while I am still sorting my wardrobe out, I feel happier than I have in a very long time. I can walk in my closet and have lots of options because I got rid of the noise.
I'll swim against the currents here and I'll say I think you got it right since the beginning. Vertical is having literal elongation (being tall) or having a prolonged straight line through the body, which is why short people aren't automatically disqualified from vertical-dominant IDs. It's clearly not too common but it can happen and I think you might be the perfect example of that! I also think width appears to be very clear on you.
Besides all of that, the common problem with Kibbe's system and its discourse on youtube/tiktok is that people tend to reduce it to body parts and to trying the outdated clothing recommendations that were made for the 80s when it's pretty much an essence-based system too. Flamboyant Gamines have a playful sassiness to them that doesn't match the laid-back straight-to-the-point vibe that we see on your videos (and the same goes with Soft Naturals and their sensual girl-next-door type of beauty they emanate). I think that you match better with FN in most aspects and not only with the way clothes look on you
Also for anyone who might see this (if someone does lol): Putting belts or emphasizing our waist is not something reserved to yin types, every type can do it and every type can look great with it
100% this!
Can I like this twice?! 9/10 people look "better" with a little waist definition, so that can't define the body type. I'm an enthusiast, not an expert, but I definitely think you got it right the first time. I also think it's *wild* that anyone would describe you as fleshy. I think you have a moderately blunt, athletic build, but perhaps the perception of athletic figure has become really skewed by IG and the like.
I agree 💯. She's an FN in my eyes. As am I, I think. Now I'm regretting all the structure coats I bought recently 😭😭😭
I haven’t seen anyone else bring up the “essence” part of the Kibbe system. This is illuminating! Would you be able to add what is it about her that fits the FN essence? Maybe even include the last of the 4 - why not DC based on essence? Do you know of any place on YT or elsewhere that someone goes into the essence of each Kibbe ID? Thanks!
Also, waist definition and waist emphasis are two separate things in Kibbe’s system, as I understand it, many of us look good with waist definition but not necessarily the type of waist emphasis a romantic needs.
Flamboyant gamine is best but like I am I want to use my favorites only. I think high neck line suits for you but take the one you like.
Honestly, my favorite look is 15:18 (right one, with blue jeans). The heaviness of the the jeans is nicely balanced by the tight top. Not only it looks beautiful on your frame, it also gives relaxed but slightly rebelious vibes. I'm biased though, bc I opt for similar silhouettes myself, and my build is pretty much like yours, even the same height. To exaggerated the proportions even more I like to put on even wider pants and a top that shows stomach a little.
Tight top + loose bottoms has been a combo I've been leaning into a lot these days ❤
My 2nd outfit thoughts: Oh interesting… I like it better with the belt! Without it, I cannot make out your lower frame, I’m overwhelmed by the wall of white, and the watercolor somehow seems muddied. But I love your shape with the belt and the watercolor looks lovely. Maybe it’s off bc you tend to cut your head off when showing the side by side?
Comparing yourself with people within your own demographics, if possible, is so important. To me, your body looks so narrow and delicate because I was comparing you with myself. Great job on this video as usual! I've been anxiously waiting for you to tackle this, thank you!
Soft natural in every case! Also, waist emphasis looks really good on you.
The black dress in a maxi length would be 🤩🤩
Soft natural
Soft - some waist emphasis seems to be very flattering
Natural- loose and relaxed fits are also very flattering. I dont know how well I understand natural style guidelines however so take my words with a pinch of salt 😊 you look lovely
Honestly, when I first found out about the body types and tried to place myself in that system, I thought I knew what I was. Then I took a test, which gave me a different result, which I accepted at first, but something didn't feel quite right. I took the test again and got yet another result, which made no sense to me at all and just confused me even more than I already was. In the end I just decided to go with my initial placement, because when I wear those lines it looks great on me, even though I had never worn them before (although I had wanted to, just didn't think it would suit me). I don't fit into my category 100% by means of the criteria, but when I wear those lines it just makes me look amazing. Same as with the color analysis, when I found my best color I just thought "wow!", because it looks so good on me.
Basically, all of this is a good baseline to get an idea of what might suit you, but in the end you just need to see what really makes you pop and feel good as well. Everything else is just too confusing and you'll end up going around in circles making yourself crazy.
As you mentioned, you like certain elements of FG or different ID’s. That’s totally normal and good! Use them. Not everyone will only stick to suggestions from their type. I’m a SG and I hate certain high necklines on myself unless my shoulders are exposed, similar to you. I also love taking elements from FN such as elongation where I can, depending on texture and balance with the rest of the outfit, because I have a slightly ethereal essence which feels at home in something flowy. I can’t do cropped, short lines all the time everywhere and that’s okay. We do what we like and tailor or adjust it to suit our personal style and still flatter our frame!
I think your soft natural instinct is 100% on point! ☀️
Soft natural for sure!!! Ive been into Kibbe a long time and am positive youre an SN!
My vote goes to Soft Natural!
I think natural lines complement you the best either way, but I think you suit FN best over SN actually. Also vibe-wise, so to say. The unconstructedness, longer lines and relaxedness of the clothes suits you (and of course even for FN's there's a point clothes get too loose haha).
I think what you mention about focusing on what lines and elements suit you best, instead of types and rules, is indeed more helpful. (I mean, Kibbe has changed when (slight?) vertical happens to a shorter length, I believe that was around 2020, and now I suddenly can't be FG anymore, which really does suit my sharp, small/narrow and mixed length lines best. So I just go off these lines and tap into systems like McJimsey and Kitchener, leaning quite heavily into personality and preference/joy as well).
I think that style has a big element of personality and preference anyways and if someone's style suits those two, I personally almost always like it (even when it's not for me).
Hi Jenn! You should look into the Japanese Skeletal Type System. I think you are the textbook example of a Straight type. Coincidentally, a lot of your style preferences follow the recommandations for this type. I like the flexibility the system gives towards choosing your own aesthetic, but adapting it to your morphology.
EDIT: Nevermind, I just remembered you have a video on the topic. :P
As for this video, I (still) think you are a Flamboyant Natural. Structure contradicts your beauty, because your body lines and face lines are of the more open, stronger, blunter type. (And while I love contrast between personal features and clothing, Kibbe isn't about that.) So I don't see FG and DC lines are your best in the Kibbe sense. The outfits are made of pieces that already suit you, so nothing is bad and some outfit are very cute, but you shine more in FN lines (again in the Kibbe sense).
This brings me to my second part of my analysis: all the SN outfits you have shown are more suitable for FN types than for SN types.
SN Outfit # 1: Even with the shirt tied around the waist, because it is still open, we see most of the narrow calf lenght dress whick still emphasizes your vertical. You don't to have a unbroken silhouette from neck to ankles to emphasis it. And because the black of the shirt is contrasting on the sides with the white of the dress, the dress looks even narrower and thus longer. And the way you tied up the shirt barely emphasis the waist, and it isn't enough even by SN standards.
SN Outfit # 2: The belt separates the outfit 1:2 with the bottom part being longer. As in your video about youthful and mature faces, the fact that the bottom part that is longer tricks our eyes to make it seems the silouette is longer. Also, the watercolor motif at the bottom of the dress both brings the eye higher (by value contrast) and lower (still by value contrast as the blue is paler that the brown/grey part) and thus lenghten your silhouette. And (same problem as with SN outfit # 1) the belt is too thin (or too barely visible) and too loosely buckled to bring much waist emphasis or break the vertical significantly.
Overall, for the pants outfits: Again, long solid-coloured high-waisted pants gives vertical to your outfits automatically. The pin tuck details and the straight fit of your dark blue pants contribute to this effect, and the slightly contracting sideseams of your jeans do too. And when you tuck your t-shirt in, it is the same effect as for tying your shirt or belting your dress from the same exact reason: it is done too loosely even by SN standards. (The white pants with the tigher waistband had potential though.) (Sorry if I get any detail wrong, I wasn't the most attentive during the latter part of the video.)
Moreover combined with all of these details, the fabric of the clothing you use is not soft enough for a SN type. Or at least, not soft enough to outdo the other factors.
Some FNs like their outfit to have less looseness and more waist emphasis than others, but it doesn't necessarily mean they are not dressing in their lines.
Anyway, love your videos as always; they make me think a lot (productively) about my style. I'm over Kibbe now for my own style, but I love your brain too much to pass on the video.
PS: English is not my first language.
Hm, this is actually not that easy. But my observations: Your shoulders do look dominant, your hips definitely don't. Also Kibbe curve is only about your bust, not your hips. Your bust has to create a curved out shape in combination with fabric falling down and over it.
Width is about your shoulders, mainly, also has nothing to do with your hips. It is more about how a garment has to be constructed in order to not only fit you correctly, but also look right on you. That's why it's called "accomodations".
I didn't dislike that last dress on you, but felt like it looked unbalanced and wanted to add some length to it. The bodice of it, I really loved, BUT I do like emphasized strong shoulders which has nothing to do with Kibbe's recommendations. He would probably tell you that the straps are way too delicate for you and you should not wear it. I actually felt like that dress made you look wider than you are AND shortened your vertical line. But I really love the style of it and if I was you, I would happily wear it, honestly. Because even if it isn't perfect for you, it still looks really cool and badass. And that also has nothing to do with how Kibbe's system works.
I did stray away from using that system more and more, especially because I don't always wanna look the most polished and feminine (which is what the goal of all this actually is), I like tomboy-ish and androgynous looks, I like edgy looks, I like eclectic styles, I LOVE combining oddities. None of that would work out if I was to really stick to Kibbe's recommendations. But I did learn heaps from his system and that actually helped me to create all those visual effects with clothes that I love so much. So do I think his system is bad? No, not at all, it's a tool that can be incredibly helpful in order to create the EXACT image you want to achieve. But that's me having a very eclectic personality, I don't know how other people think about this, really (I'd like to hear the thoughts of your subscribers though, and yours if you happen to read this and find the time for it).
Honestly I really liked that light dress you wore in the very beginning and loved it the most when you wore it just on its own. The black tops kind of created a broken line and also too much contrast. I think that makes it hard to decide which silhouette/shape works best for you.
I personally love your style for you, your hair also adds a lot to it. You got such a beautiful and very special and interesting face too, that alone dominates your style or let's better call it "the visual effect of your style". I like what you do, I don't think there's a need for you to overcomplicate things and try to find your actual Kibbe image ID. But I know how it can feel if you REALLY wanna figure something out, I went through this too and am constantly finding other topics/systems that make me feel this way. Well... I guess I just like to push myself through and figure things out xD Maybe you're like that as well.
I just wanna let you know that you are truly beautiful and already got such a cool style and sense of style. I don't care whatever system tells you whatever you should wear - that's just my perception and personal opinion.
By the way, you give off strong, determined, independant and maybe even slightly intimidating vibes - which is absolutely not what a Soft Natural would "feel" like. But that could as well be part of your Kitchener essence blend. To me you don't appear soft and cute. You come across like a person one should take very seriously and a person one can rely on. That's the vibe I get from you at least. To me you also definitely don't come across like any type of Gamine. Their energy is different than yours. So if we got a close call, it would be between Dramatic Classic and Flamboyant Natural and yes, you can sit kind of in between the two. None of us fits perfectly in one box, or let's say MOST of us don't.
I also used to think I might be FN and I was almost certain about this. Then I analysed my images with some more information on my mind and figured that I actually don't have width (or at least not enough to be FN), I also don't give off the FN vibe at all. I give off classic vibes. When I analysed my face, I felt like it would fit perfectly in the SC category, but my body doesn't. My body is more like that of a DC. But I don't look bad in any type of classic silhouette. I do think the fact that some recommendations for hair and make up can look CUTE and create a very sympathetic image, is what made me think that I could be a Natural. Because I do love that effect for myself. That broken up balance you can create on any classic with a slightly tousled and layered hairstyle. But as I said, I am not about creating "the most feminine, most polished" look on myself. When my mom said, the one celebrity she would say looked most like me when she was young, was Grace Kelly, and explained that she doesn't mean, I look exactly like her, but come across like her and have similar balance in my face, it clicked for me even more. And when she said that my type of elegance was different than that of Audrey Hepburn, I was like "Does my mom really just see all these things without knowing ANYTHING about Kibbe's system?!", also the "You're neither wide nor very delicate, but narrow and a bit square-ish because of your straight shoulders", comment really hit me.
So maybe you know someone who has a great eye for proportions and shapes and you can ask them about it.
Thank you for this thoughtful comment! It's funny to me that you mentioned how I come across as somewhat intimidating, bc I actually get that a lot in person (before people get to know me I guess lol). It's so interesting how these impressions come across in similar ways even on this platform 😝 You're right about me being the type that needs to get to the bottom of things once curiosity is sparked haha! I also totally resonate with the "I don't always wanna be the most feminine and polished " as well - I think there can be more edge and interest created when we add our personal flair ❤
@@stylerefinement Since you're saying this, I should mention that you were the one that actually made me understand how the logic behind "your three style words" works. I somehow could not grasp it at all when watching other people's videos. But yours made it very easy to understand and I really resonated with your style words, maybe that's what made it click for me.
Your comment is definitely the most accurate I’ve seen in the entire comment section.
Thank you for being yourself and being natural and loving!
You might wanna check out Dwyn Larson`s style types - her system takes into account, that body proportions are incomplete without facial characteristics That`s how many more subtypes can be found in a more detailed and accurate way than KIbbe. Regarding the latter, I would have typed you a Soft Natural - but flamboyant gamine speaks to your rebellious side and angular body shape with rather sporty, small proportions. Your face on the other hand, gives off elongated, thus dramatic, and blunt, thus natural sides. Love your content!!! :)
I don’t know which outfit land in what category but for the white fitted dress i prefer with the tied black button down that highlights your waist, the wide leg pants with the cropped striped top, the long dress with water colour pattern belted (the black little dress is a close runner up but not with those running shoes must be personal preference but I just thing it was cutting your legs) in general I preferred your pants look with cuffed pants but I’m also 5’3 and it’s my go too so I don’t know if I just like what I regularly see in my mirror 😂
I liked the Soft Natural lines. I would say you are frame led with some softness. I don't think you are a gamine at all. There's nothing staccato about you, like you mentioned the long lines in your face. In my Kibbe journey I was hopeful I could feel confident in typing myself but I simply narrowed it down and all the clothing guidelines of those id's were similar enough and said here's a starting point. Then I started thinking about my daily life - I like cropped styles on me but I don't like cold ankles in the winter and when the mosquitoes are out I want full length pants. Sorry style is not worth 100 bites on my ankles. So I keep both lengths in my closet. I think my biggest take away from Kibbe was fabric. I think if you choose the right fabric for your body type you can get away with a lot of cuts that are "against your lines." Second biggest take away from Kibbe, is to learn how to see yourself objectively. It's infused at a young age to have hang ups about our looks and I didn't really start to unpack that until I started looking into Kibbe.
Love how much work you put in to every video pheew. Was the greatest watch of the week!!! I appreciate yhow much data you gave for us to think on and study lines.
As for my opinion I think that categories are just categories, and you certainly know your body best and what a piece of clothing does to it more than anyone. But if we need an anchoring answer to which category you belong in the Kibbe and Mcjimsey system I would still insist that you are infact a flamboyant gamine:
Firstly all the clothes are already coming from your wardrobe and I pointed how you already knew how to dress yourself. Aaaannd almost all of them are a variation of a FlamGam lines. Yet! I have to stress that there's not a definite like one perfect line for the gamine family, gamines are not like any other type and they have the most sub-categories. They come in very different shapes and sizes. So for example a higher neckline wont suit a flamboyant gamine woman with a busty or broader upper body (yes they exist) because that will make her top heavy and will look disregulated. What I'm saying is that you have contrasting body parts, your face is contrasting your body; your upper body is contrasting your lower half, your flesh is contrasting your skeleton, your bones as in their height individually are contrasting like your arms and legs. And voila! You by nature always pick contrasting colors, styles and fabrics as you may realize yourself aswell. We usually oversee our essences and mistaken them as our body type, which is still an improvement don't get me wrong, we all start somewhere to see ourselves objectively.
Comment section is mostly leaning Soft Natural. Why is that? Firstly dare I say most Flamboyants Gamines like to wear natural lines with thicker fabrics, some slouchy gathers and its the best 2nd one of lines they can wear other than their own. Ooop!
Starting with the first one: Shirt looks better because: your calves are showing and the dress drapes just right through your thighs to make their soft angles stand out. So you show off your softer and slightly muscular lower half. The blazers might suit your upper body however in this case makes the lower part look ambigious. And we already know that your upper body is frame dominant with blunt and sharp angles. So throwing on the shirt making it look unconstructed and giving it a waist emphasis making the look come together. The shirt has a thicker fabric and does not have a flowyness to it as its supposed to be to considered as a natural shirt. It keeps its shape with a contrasting color and fittedness around the elbow and waist. Also those sandals ties everything together.
For the dress, I think this one is pretty easy, the dress itself is a flamgam dress alltogether. It cuts right on your ankle, has halter neck, it might lack contrast on some people, but againts your skin its popping and making a contrast with the white of your eyes and the darker value of your hair and eyes. You don't need a waist emphasis with every clothing for every flamboyant gamines, but then there's the likes of Kelly Osbourne who has so many blunt edges and wider stature without a fittedness around waist she would look heavier visually. However in your case you need a straighter look and could go maximum to an A line skirt maybe. I love the white denim has thick material with sharp plunging neckline but not in a sultry kind of way and looks just right with the black bandeau. As for the last dress i would consider it as a Theatrical Romantic outfit which you could pass it to someone else as you were contemplating hehe.
It could look appropriate for you if it the skirt were a little longer and the top had coverage either for your arms like the first black shirt, or could cover up to the neck but the lower part then would had to be wider and loser.
Best Ones:
Baggier bottoms with a narrow top is superior to all of the other.
Best next silhouette is a slimmer bottom with a fittedness at the upper waist and covering of the shoulders.
Straight dress, no longer than ankles that shows the shoulders.
Not the Best Ones:
All classic lines
Slimmer bottoms with unfitted shirt
Top bottom flowy ones
Extremely fitting bodycon TR presenting lines
DC lines would be the least suitable type imo it just shadows your anima and for the poeple that predicted classic; just cause you love more subdued classic colors patters and clothes doesnt mean you are one, every color and pattern can accommodate every style Flamboyant Gamine ones are not truly Flamboyant Gamine as I said before they lean more Gamine to Soft Gamine except the TR dress. Anything other than the Flamboyant Gamine ones are the Flamboyant Gamine ones perse!
Anyhow Jenn prioritizes comfort, simple coherent colors and patterns making her style essence classic and natural. Thats what we percieve out of what we see. Lines are a whole another thing.
Thank you if you took time to read this piece of ''I had nothing today so I analyzed the grain out of Jenn's body and had fun doing it''.
Love you Jenn 😘
Thank you so much for this comment - I resonated so much with "wearing natural lines with thicker fabrics" because I thought that SN lines would be absolutely PERFECT if fabric recommendations weren't as soft!
On an unrelated note, I really like the red you added to your hair!
For the first set of outfits, I prefer the first one which was for flamboyant gamine and the last outfit
This is such a good idea for a video though I will admit I would find it easier to cast a vote if your face was in the side by sides too. I think head size and hairstyle gives more context too, just my personal opinion but you're stunning in so many things!
As you said you've learned what works. Trust your instincts ❤🎉
On the white dress with horizontal ombre, when there is no waist definition, my eyes are drawn to your upper arms. When there is definition, my eyes are drawn toward the waist and your hands and the colors on the bottom.
I thought that the FN lines looked good until I saw the SN lines-every single time, I went ‘woah!’ The soft waist emphasis looks amazing. Cropping of FG looked more awkward to me (I’m a FG), and I thought it could look childish if done wrong. DC looked ‘fine’, just as you said, but a bit too stiff, and I felt like you looked restricted. If I had to rank, I’d go SN>FN>>DC/FG. But this was so interesting! I didn’t think I would have such a clear reaction.
For outfit 1, I'd say soft natural looks the most harmonious on you. The flamboyant gamine option also isn't bad, however I think I'd would be better with a shorter dress/ skirt😊
Okay, after the dress round I'm even more set on SN
After watching this, I lean toward SN and DC for you, though all 4 styles had positive aspects. If SN is what feels the most comfortable on and your priority is comfort, then of course I support that ID, but I don't think one is overwhelmingly better than the other. But you bring up an interesting point about individual taste, comfort over style and how much personal bias influences what you see and think about your own style vs what others see and think. Maybe you could further discuss the impact and hindrance of personal bias when it comes to figuring out your own body type and colour season and how easily that can steer you in the right or wrong direction
I'm an FN and watching your prior video I was thinking you look softer, shorter and finer than I do (I'm 5'9"). I think you're a Natural, and I think even commented as such, but I think you're soft. The waist definition when the shirt is tied really balances your frame, same with the belt. You look great as an SN!
It's SN for me. I think regardless of Kibbe, being petite does require some general proportion tweaking for mass produced garments. So it makes sense to me that a petite SN would enjoy some FG recommendations.
Jenn!
That process was SO Enjoyable!
Thank you for your efforts.
Put my vote into the soft natural zone.
I also now think you are much softer than you are seeing.
( I am Natural, right in middle in Kibbe, and spring colour. You are more balanced through your bottom half than I).
I liked the additional belt on the long dress.
Would like to see another longer underlayer under the crop jacket, may make it work?
I also think all systems need to be repurposed for different ethnicities.
Heights and shapes and colouring etc inherently different right across the planet.
Have fun with your rebranding and wish you the very best!
Love soft natural style on you 🙂 i think I'm soft gamine but i borrow from soft natural style because i love the more relaxed lines
in my eyes you’re a pure natural!
lol this video is just proving to ME that kibbe/body type styling can only do so much and the majority of "looking good" is personal taste. I'm jumping across all 4 categories and just landing on whatever "shape" or "vibe" I prefer in your outfits.
I love this system but it's quite confusing in practice, looking at every single feature individually won't always give the answer (length, vertical, curve or double curve) what I personally do is if the overall impression of the body is yin or yang leaning (SD is still a yang ID despite de curve), and narrow it down from there, I consider visual weight and angles more important than "accommodations" (structured vs relaxed).
Soft natural looks so great on you!
I paused on the chart near the end that scatterplotted where the types lie in terms of contrast and yin/yang. I'm midsized/plus, so I've been struggling with how yin I am vs how much of it is flesh, and that's just what the chart showed for me! haha I'm looking among R, SC, and TR so it was funny to see where they were kind of clustered together.
Kibbe is so confusing to the point that I’ve kinda given up. I draw from Soft Dramatic, Flamboyant Natural, and Soft Natural silhouettes because those are the lines I’m most drawn to anyway. Beyond that, I’ve stopped stressing over it.
Wow black looks really good on you!
I have come to conclusion that I have features from all these same kibbe types and we have very similar frame, my shoulders are just slightly wider than yours I think. So difficult to decide which one I am! So looking forward to actually watching this now🤩🤌
The fourth style for me fits you the most, I liked the most when you accentuates your waist, with fluid fabric on the upper part of the body and a defined waist, you can use a fluid skirt, pants or dress on the bottom too, it looks nice. I think you are soft natural so rigidity, excessive ornamentation, won't go well together. Ancient greek outfits are a very good inspiration for your looks.
Makes sense since resort wear is where my inspirations mostly come from during summer ❤
i like soft natural option on you the best!
I think you looked great in the classic outfit with the button up shirt, too
In most of your outfits, I liked in that order: soft natural
Flamboyant gamine
Dramatic classic..I didn't like it soo much of the Flamboyant natural until you showed us your face,than things matched perfectly,that's leave me thinking clothes don't really have ID and they are not soo diferent as I tought 🤔,dc,sn,fg and fn could share some pieces!!
Note: I know not many people say this,but Flamboyant gamine actualy looks more like a mini natural than a dramatic, who looks like a mini dramatic is pure gamine. Dc can also have yang coming from natural but not to the point whereas width is dominant.
Definitely SN! 😊
Also, for classics, they don't actually look plain at all when they wear their lines, so it's an indicator that you are in fact not DC.
I liked the 17:19 look. Those full length jeans with that top look amazing!
Great post. Agree with your summary and SN looks best. I think waist definition really suits as well as exposed ankles and wrists. You have best approach as you know what suits and breaking the rules doesn't hurt either as long as you feel confident...you'll look great which you do 😊
This was a fun video to watch - I'm not sure where I'd place you though. I liked the soft natural and flamboyant gamine looks the best though. I have a lot of trouble with kibbe and kitchener - I find it much easier to find my color season and analyze my face structure. I'm six feet tall, and don't feel like I fit into any of those other systems at all. Most of my clothes probably fit into some sort of classic/casual grouping.
That was a great video. You are one of the best TH-camr explaining Kibbe body types.
I'm my opinion, you are FN, but still looks good in SN lines. I think people have a tendency to make everybody look like hourglass, that why so many votes for SN.
you are definitely not FG (my body type) - it makes you look in younger sister clothes. Thicker and heavy, and you are absolutely not.
DC, just no. Doesn't do anything to you. Boring.
I love your chanel ❤
We need more topics like this one. Comparing styles is the easiest way to figure out where you are 😊
Soft natural 100%!! The outfits looked great!
Soft natural first and Flamboyant gamine second. I really liked the long ombré dress with the belt, but I understand the flow for a hot summer day.
Kibbe’s book came out in 1987. I went to the salon/class that he offered in NYC in 1989 (or 1990🤷♀️I think..or 92..don’t remember exactly)So much fun to learn, get a makeup lesson for my type, hair cut and color, clothing and color schemes. A full day-but changed everything for me. I’m a classic-dramatic. Yes, I definitely am! I remember going home on the train and catching sight of myself in a store window-it stopped me in my tracks! I had arrived!
Clothes, jewelry and my hair still represent this and I’ve always felt confident in my style and like myself. Best money I ever spent on myself. If you can do it, it will save you lots of $ and keep you from buying things that never work for you.
I’ve had the book all these years and am grateful for it as a reminder.🩷
Loved this video. You explained things so well here.
Dramatic Classic gives off sort of "too stiff" vibe on you, FG lines gives rebel/unexpected, which gives off fresh and fun vibe, without clashing with you in terms of "mature" features, as you give off creativity and passion as you speak and move. Both FN and SN look great, you are soo ... natural and cohesive in them, whilst FN is a "power"/"natural drama" (oversize does have a bit of rebellness in it) choice, SN is more of "balance"/"harmony" vibes.
soft shoulders and waist definition looks so amazing on you, i definitely think you’re also a soft natural
Sorry, can’t help. You look beautiful and cool in all these looks. 🤷♀️
Soft natural is really doing it for what I’m seeing, AND the tank dress with the basic blazer also looked good.
Between DC and SN, I think.
I totally feel you on 100% denim, it’s very restricting. I like a touch of elastane.
FG all the way to me Jenn ✨you absolutely lean towards yang but although strong you also look petite. You have that boyish vibe.
You rock color blocks, narrow fitted shorter lines, and higher neckline cuts look better, not those N loose lines, but I'm no pro so..
Spot on, completely agree.
You give me such a Kaylee Cuoco vibe! Shes a soft natural too!
these are all the style lines that I was struggling with! I love the Natural lines in general on you, with preference for the SN. The FG chops you up too much in the boxy cropped. I have heard, but I'm no expert, is that SN are loose and relaxed but with a little structure which is what you seem to like. Love the video, it helps me!
Thank you so much for this vid! After many years of trying to find my kibbe type, even after being typed by different style typers, youve actually helped me feel sure about my type!
Like you, I'm not obviously curvy. However, the only jeans that have ever actually fit me are "curvy" ones. The other thing is i was underweight my whole life due to a health condition but now ive been able to gain weight to within the normal range. Now, ive noticed that i appear fleshy. The other thing is the weight i gained went to my face, upper arms, boobs and butt.
I have been previously typed as a dramatic and as a Flamboyant natural. Both of these lines look horrible on me!
The other day, i tried on soft dratic lines and seriously wow!!! I looked like myself! Its crazy. So ya just because we dont have small waists or large busts or even big hips, doesnt mean were not a soft type.
I bet there are plenty of soft types who dont gain much in the thighs and hips byt do in the actual butt like me.
Anyone else like this? Also wondering if there are any SD's here 👋
I not a soft dramatic but you put me doubt here...am I a romantic or teatrical romantic?? Or maybe I sm just gamine pure,I don't see much softness in my body😅,I just know I have petite..
seeing your faces changed it so much for me. I thought you were ricking the FG looks (not the blue dress & red shoes though lol maybe better with more simple shoes imo), but i agree that with your face it didn't quite match! very interesting. Keep up the amazing content!
soft natural ❤
The Kibbe system is a boxing system, offering a set of boxes, into which individuals seaking style help can put themselves based on a set of criteria, and once done, you have to dress/live the part - no room for rebelling against the assigned ”screen persona” (Kibbe’s system analyses the individual in two dimensions). Don’t forget that the Kibbe system PRE-assigned the essence to the body type. Yes, I know Kibbe has reworked the system, and it is now supposed to only work with body geometry, but it is still a system with preassigned essences, no matter how one tries to hide it - even the body type names are biased based on essence ideals, not neutral geometry-describing names. To be honest, I don’t see that many Kibbe self-styled people rocking great wardrobes, while I see a lot of people with great style, not following the Kibbe system. In my opinion, the reason why Kibbe’s own styling examples look good, is that he is a good stylist. His system doesn’t really replicate or systemise gis work process. There are many other style systems that don’t preassign any qualities that are not based on body geometry that seem more relevant.
And judging from the spred in the comments, the system is a failure. You can’t be something specifically optimal and be everything else as well at the same time. If a body quality is to be somewhat objectively true, it should be observable to most of us.
My vote is also soft natural. You're such a fantastic creator and there is such a lack of modern SN content, so this result is definitely exciting! If you're interested in getting an objective opinion, Alyssa Rudman has typing services that are well priced. She typed me as an SN as well and I was really pleased to finally find my type and put the kibbe quizzes to rest once and for all.
I can tell you’re more comfortable in the SN lines. Your body moves differently. I think they look best on you. All of these looks look good on you in my opinion, but I see a difference between everything else and the SN. I also think your frame generally agreed with SN. Also, love your hair!!
I really like the soft natural and then the flamboyant natural on you. Although with the dip dye dress, I prefer it without a belt.
This was a fun experiment, and a good idea for people who are trying to decide between image IDs . Especially your point about finding the common recommendations for the type you're torn between.
I think you have a great eye for what works for you, though, so I agree that you don't really need to hold yourself to a type.
I like the soft natural styling on you a lot.
Great video! I totally agree that seeing your face with the outfit makes a difference to the overall impression. I have a similar struggle with typing myself. For years I've thought I was a dramatic classic though I find the need to tone down the formality and severity of those lines. But I think I may be flamboyant natural with a preference for simplicity. But I sometimes get confused and think maybe classic or soft classic . . .😅
I think Soft Natural. I like how you incorporate what you know looks good on you and what you avoid and other styling tools like Allison Bornstein's 3-words. Looking forward to more videos where you incorporate the many styling systems/tools together because, man, they can be confusing!!!
When you show your face, you are right, dramatic natural suddenly looks a lot better. You are right about the vertical lines in your face, too! You are very lucid and a very good judge of your style!
Flamboyant natural
What I see is that you look best when there's a break in the waist area. The long A-silhouette dress makes you look childish which does not happen to flamboyant natural types. But with the belt your body immediately look more balanced.
Agreed about the soft natural but flamboyant gamine - I think - could work with your face very well. You see, your facial features are not that soft, for example a sharp cat-eye looks amazing on you which means that your face is not very soft. So FG with its small V-necks, crop-tops and bright color accents could work well as well.
So excited for what’s to come!
I think you look BEST in soft natural lines 🥰
I am convinced you're a soft natural. All of the ones in that category looked so good on you (although you looked great in all) but the SN was the most fitting IMO.
I did like the bit of softness and looseness, but not way oversized for you. I would vote for soft natural. I think also I find that if pants are going to be "cropped", I think it should be tighter vs looser pants, personally. I think cropped wide leg looks like one outgrew their pants, but that's just me being old school I think. It was interesting to see how things looked on you, I would have thought gamine and tight would work great (it still looked good!), but I actually like a bit of looseness on you.
I preferred the SN and would like to see you in SG.