Beautiful work as in all your canoes. Question; do you see some wrinkling in your nylon skin when it is cool and damp? I've stretched my nylon skins to the max when pre wetted and the ambient temps are relatively warm....this has made a beautiful looking canoe in most conditions but during the cool spring and fall months, I'm seeing some subtle waviness just under the gunnels...at least until the sun hits the fabric and it shrinks up a bit. I'm thinking I need to skin my canoe when it's much cooler outside so I can benefit from maximum relaxation of the nylon fibers, thus giving me a wrinkle free fit in all temps? That make any sense to you. Cheers from Canada.
@@user-nu8eg8xg5h thanks for your kind words. The key for the wrinkles is the water(steam). The coating is diffuse for that. Yes some canoes got wrinkles an the other's not....
@@user-nu8eg8xg5h yes of course. I attached the nylon dry and fix it so smooth I can. Than I spray it wet before ironing. I think there is a little rest of water in the fabric before coating ...
Brilliant ideas with the hot glue, hanging bag and temporary sewing in the middle. Thanks for sharing this. Do you find the nylon remains tight or does it loosen up over time? Better than polyester cloth I assume since you use it here?
thats great stuff. it would never have occured to me to use hot glue. ive only done 3 sof kayaks before so stitching the top centre deck is all that is required if you have a wide enough cloth.
Okay - your´s is a kayak - this one i a canadian style canoe. There are no decks for stitching. The hot glue is an easy way for me to pre-fixing the fabric before mounting the outwhales. After mounting the outwhales comes ironing. Such as with your kayak : after stitching comes ironing. Different types of boats - different ways for building that. Thanks for your comment ..
bluewondercanoe the difference is obvious but your technique still has merit for a kayak to reduce the stress on the centre seam. the hot glue bead would act like a gasket and asdist with keeping the hull fabric under some tension independant of the seam tension. im all for learning tricks from other industries/methods to help. the bedt part is you can do a kayak hull in one colour fabric and the deck in another(because of fabric width maybee or custom printed fabric) and sticking with clear sealant. i saw one kayak skinned with a std printed fabric from the fabric store then polyeurathaned. all the best with you boat.its a great looking example of light n functional
It is still a kayak, not canoe. Canadian canoe has no frame, it relies on the sides/bottom planking (be that bark, cedar strips, plywood or polymer plastics) for structurall strength. Canoe also is not a multi-chine hull.
How does this method differ with polyester? I’m wanting to build a canoe, probably the arrow 14 (unless I can be guided otherwise). I’ve never built one before but I’m mechanically inclined and confident I have the skills. I want a solo canoe that tracks straight as an arrow and can hold gear, (think multi day deer hunting trip)
bluewondercanoe I’ve read the same thing, though polyester is still plenty strong enough to work. The advantage -as I’ve read- is that polyester is easier to paint and doesn’t absorb as much water as nylon. The skin can become less taught on the first use with nylon. Any thoughts?
@@lazydragonslayer Ok the facts: I use nylon fabric with COELAN for coating. Nice result. Nylon absorbs water and goes limply. Unfortunetly is COELAN also hygroscopic. Normaly a bad constelation. But in water the canoe goes for 8 hours without any problems. But if the humidity is hight, raining about the whole day and night, the skin goes limply. Wrinkles to be seen. One day in the sun, and teh skin looks fine again. I will do a try with polyester at a model... btw. Nice contact with you! Are you on facebook? You can find me : Bluewonder Canoe ..........
What is the name of this textil or nylon? How strong is after you cover with resins? If i hit a stone when i'm walking on wather i demage my canoe? Thank you for video. ;)
Offensichtlich Russischkurs ", der Heimat der Elefanten", aber die richtigen Stoff zu finden, ist schwierig. Ich denke, dicker Baumwolle tkanb für Farb- und Lack gehen?
Hallo! Ich liebe deiner Kanu's. Kann einer Kanu mit SOF uber einer Stein fahren ohne zu Riesen? ( Hello! I love your canoes. Can a canoe of this sort mit SOF ride over a rock without ripping the fabric? ) Danke :)
Thanks for your interest, but who want to ride a canoe over rocks ? It´s build for water ;-) By the way. In white water the stones are mostly roundet - no problem. In slowly or quiet water the stones can be very pointed and sharp. That´s a problem for the coating fewer for the nylon fabric. It takes a knife or broken glass to destroy the fabric by cutting not by ripping. These are my experiences.
I LOVE the "slings" you have the boat hanging in while you are gluing it. Great idea! And the method of skinning is so logical, let gravity help!
I have read books on wood strip canoes,but after seeing your methods I now want to build a skin on frame. Brillant !
cooler Beat im Hintergrund.👍👍
You are a craftsman.
Very cool - instead of using staples for the second overlap on the stems could you run another bead of hot glue and fold over that?
Ti sei un artista! Bravo!!!
grazie !
Try using a soldering Iron to “cut” the fabric.. it cuts clean and melts the edge too so it won’t fray!
Beautiful work as in all your canoes. Question; do you see some wrinkling in your nylon skin when it is cool and damp? I've stretched my nylon skins to the max when pre wetted and the ambient temps are relatively warm....this has made a beautiful looking canoe in most conditions but during the cool spring and fall months, I'm seeing some subtle waviness just under the gunnels...at least until the sun hits the fabric and it shrinks up a bit. I'm thinking I need to skin my canoe when it's much cooler outside so I can benefit from maximum relaxation of the nylon fibers, thus giving me a wrinkle free fit in all temps? That make any sense to you. Cheers from Canada.
@@user-nu8eg8xg5h thanks for your kind words. The key for the wrinkles is the water(steam). The coating is diffuse for that. Yes some canoes got wrinkles an the other's not....
@@bluewondercanoe Thank you so much for the quick reply and the helpful info. So you're skinning with damp nylon, then?
@@user-nu8eg8xg5h yes of course. I attached the nylon dry and fix it so smooth I can. Than I spray it wet before ironing. I think there is a little rest of water in the fabric before coating ...
Have you given a thought to cover SOF canoes with precoated fabrics? Like the ones used in the Yostwerks website?
Thanks for sharing.
Brilliant ideas with the hot glue, hanging bag and temporary sewing in the middle. Thanks for sharing this. Do you find the nylon remains tight or does it loosen up over time? Better than polyester cloth I assume since you use it here?
Thanks for your comment! The "oldest" Boat with Nylon-Skin is working since 8 years. Always tighten....
Did you shrink the skin tight with a steam iron.? This works great on polyester but I'm not sure about nylon.
No this not a steam iron. But I keep the nylon wet before ironing...
@@bluewondercanoe Thank you .I am about to skin my first canoe with nylon ,so your input is much appreciated.
thats great stuff.
it would never have occured to me to use hot glue.
ive only done 3 sof kayaks before so stitching the top centre deck is all that is required if you have a wide enough cloth.
Okay - your´s is a kayak - this one i a canadian style canoe. There are no decks for stitching. The hot glue is an easy way for me to pre-fixing the fabric before mounting the outwhales. After mounting the outwhales comes ironing. Such as with your kayak : after stitching comes ironing. Different types of boats - different ways for building that. Thanks for your comment ..
bluewondercanoe the difference is obvious but your technique still has merit for a kayak to reduce the stress on the centre seam.
the hot glue bead would act like a gasket and asdist with keeping the hull fabric under some tension independant of the seam tension.
im all for learning tricks from other industries/methods to help.
the bedt part is you can do a kayak hull in one colour fabric and the deck in another(because of fabric width maybee or custom printed fabric) and sticking with clear sealant.
i saw one kayak skinned with a std printed fabric from the fabric store then polyeurathaned.
all the best with you boat.its a great looking example of light n functional
oh yes : the stress of the centre seam - I have never thinking about that. Of course the hot glue can be helpfull, I think. Have a nice time.
It is still a kayak, not canoe. Canadian canoe has no frame, it relies on the sides/bottom planking (be that bark, cedar strips, plywood or polymer plastics) for structurall strength. Canoe also is not a multi-chine hull.
Hello...What kind of fabric?
Skillfull way to cover canoe frame. Do you know "ceconite". Is a poliester fabric used to cover airplanes, dope glued and iron streched. Greetings
well produced , what kind of fabric are you using ? i understand aeroplane fabric and its shrinking properties .. . . . Matt , California , USA
Matt Paine : I use 850 den Ballistic Nylon Fabric. Great stuff!
Friend, good morning .... What fabric is this that you wear in the canoe ?? Thanks and congratulations for the work.
It's ballistic nylon, 850 den.
Show! excelente trabalho, como conseguir o desenho do projeto? "excellent exhibition! Great job, how to get the project design?"
Kommt noch ein PU Beschichtung auf die Folie ?
How does this method differ with polyester? I’m wanting to build a canoe, probably the arrow 14 (unless I can be guided otherwise). I’ve never built one before but I’m mechanically inclined and confident I have the skills.
I want a solo canoe that tracks straight as an arrow and can hold gear, (think multi day deer hunting trip)
I never used polyester - so I can´t give the right answer - sorry. But I heard that nylon is much stonger an much more shrinkabel - so I use that.
bluewondercanoe I’ve read the same thing, though polyester is still plenty strong enough to work.
The advantage -as I’ve read- is that polyester is easier to paint and doesn’t absorb as much water as nylon. The skin can become less taught on the first use with nylon.
Any thoughts?
@@lazydragonslayer Ok the facts: I use nylon fabric with COELAN for coating. Nice result. Nylon absorbs water and goes limply. Unfortunetly is COELAN also hygroscopic. Normaly a bad constelation. But in water the canoe goes for 8 hours without any problems. But if the humidity is hight, raining about the whole day and night, the skin goes limply. Wrinkles to be seen. One day in the sun, and teh skin looks fine again. I will do a try with polyester at a model... btw. Nice contact with you! Are you on facebook? You can find me : Bluewonder Canoe ..........
bluewondercanoe
I am not on Facebook.
Thanks for the reply’s, I’ll sub so I can see your experience if you try polyester.
like stitching a wing
Beautifull work :D Please tell me where to buy this fabric in EU ? I am from Croatia .
Dado T. the fabric is available at: www.extremtextil.de
Thank you very much :)
What is the name of this textil or nylon? How strong is after you cover with resins? If i hit a stone when i'm walking on wather i demage my canoe? Thank you for video. ;)
Welche Art von Stoff verwenden Sie? Und im Grunde sei es, oder Sie können jeder nehmen?
Глеб Букреев Ich verwende 850 den ballistic Nylon. Alles andere funktioniert nicht so gut.
Aber nichts hindert, im Prinzip jede andere dünnen Stoff zu nehmen, so?
Глеб Букреев nicht dünn, eher dick!!! 300 Gramm pro Meter...
Offensichtlich Russischkurs ", der Heimat der Elefanten", aber die richtigen Stoff zu finden, ist schwierig. Ich denke, dicker Baumwolle tkanb für Farb- und Lack gehen?
Глеб Букреев ja Baumwolle ist auch gut.
smart. but reinforcing the hot glue with nails or staples would be a good move.
the hot glue is only for temporary fixing. After glueing the outwhale, the nylon is bulletproof fixed and ready for ironing. No nails needed ...
Cómo yo puedo conseguir un plano de Satanás cómo puedo conseguir un plano para esa canoa para saber la distancia de las medidas la longitud
Hallo! Ich liebe deiner Kanu's. Kann einer Kanu mit SOF uber einer Stein fahren ohne zu Riesen? ( Hello! I love your canoes. Can a canoe of this sort mit SOF ride over a rock without ripping the fabric? ) Danke :)
Thanks for your interest, but who want to ride a canoe over rocks ? It´s build for water ;-) By the way. In white water the stones are mostly roundet - no problem. In slowly or quiet water the stones can be very pointed and sharp. That´s a problem for the coating fewer for the nylon fabric. It takes a knife or broken glass to destroy the fabric by cutting not by ripping. These are my experiences.
Hello...What kind of fabric?
I use Nylon-fabric. 850den