Its actually quite incredible the importance of being a good leader. It's ace the way limit Max not only praises people, but the way he asks people to do tasks "help diamond, please help diamond, please" in a calm way, then finish off with "good". "this is perfect". Constant narration before whats going to happen and what theyre going to do. Then describe what they need to as its happening. Phenomenol display of good leadership, calm temperament and knowledge of the encounter. It's actually changed the way I approach raid leading to try be calmer, narrate a little more often and try to give good remarks when people do well - already seeing improvements. Awesome guy, love the content.
You should do a series like this where you raid lead with 1 random actual mythic guild for 1 full raid every week to help them where they know ahead of time it’s you (not undercover). As an experiment to see like how well good raid leading in mythic can carry. like how it was on Hungering in this video. And release like a montage video of that raid once per week. I’m sure there are a lot of guilds in the 3/10M-7/10M range that would totally be down for that to collaborate with you. Could do like a different guild every week type of thing.
Update on Waffle House Brawlers, one week later: I’ve been raiding with Waffle House as Brewmaster for the past two(ish) weeks (DK raid lead went to UH). We’ve downed Huntsman twice, and are getting good pulls in on Hungering. Haven’t been able to down it again, but are getting closer each night. I’ve done about 25 pulls with them, should be able to get it next week. Cool to see this video, just thought I’d give a “Where are they now” update. Fun guys, and I’ve enjoyed raiding with them.
I found this really inspiring! Seeing how you communicate whilst raid leading, the effort that you put into praising people. The way you encourage people to work together and help each other can really be heard. Thank you for these videos! It's no surprise why you are worlds first.
Very much agree. This is far better content than attempting to be "undercover", which inevitably gets exposed and ruined. A World First raid leader helping struggling teams improve and kill bosses is so much more interesting to watch.
yeah ngl, the other videos had always casually bullying in them. stop that childish BS, you represent something, or is your whole orga trashtalking like that ? inb4 is jus a joke. ye buddy sure
I loved this. I know it’s just a game but it’s kind of inspiring. The teamwork, leadership etc. Limit Max... reinforcing the community. One guild at a time.
This is great. A perfect example of how a person who knows exactly what the hell is going on and what needs to be done can help a group of people succeed. So cool.
Just wanted to say whoever has been doing the editing for your videos has been doing a fantastic job. Everything's been super clean and concise, and the bits they've added in have been hilarious. 👍
Best vid yet. The undercover stuff is fun and all, but it is when you activly raidlead that these vids shine the most. So cool to see what a well reas RL can do for his/her guild. It inspires all the thousands of RL out there to be better. It did for me atleast
Love the content, Max! You are the best! We have been struggling on Hungering for a couple weeks, and studying your raid leading, calls, and placements got us through it tonight. After weeks of 50% wipes, we started off with 15%, had a couple 2% wipes and finally got him on the last pull. Keep it coming!
I honestly really respect you for still helping them out even tho your cover got blown and still being respectfull after a full whipes on huntsman and hungering,im 3/10 so i know what its like to whipe on hungering myself,goodjob dude
Ghou... Ghou... Ghoul.... slayer I could see the cogs turning dude xD My guild took a total of about 60 pulls to kill hungering - more than shriek, huntsman and inerva combined!
Almost software engineer here: The reason his name change didn't apply instantly goes a LONG way explaining how Blizzard servers work. My theory is that their servers are AP (they prioritize availability and partition - fault tolerance). See, there's this theorem called the CAP Theorem that states that you can't be consistent, available 24/7 and partitioned at the same time. Which makes sense, if you think about it. If you have separated nodes that replicate the data, you're protected from completely losing all your data in case one of the nodes stops working. But that also means you have to be updating all the nodes all the time. Here you're faced with a choice: Option A: you temporarely "shut down" until every data node has the last version of the data Option B: you accept the fact that you might be responding "old" data but you always answer In Max's case, Blizzard is showing him the new name Ghoulgranny (new data) but the character still has the old name Thundercraig in other nodes 18:42, so the people in his raid still see him with the old name (old data). Something similar happens with server transfers, if you've ever noticed. Very interesting shit. P.S.: I love this series
gj man ggz do it more often its soo fun to see you raid leading random ppl . acuatly its more fun then that undercover thing its like soo cool to watch i dont know why really best of luck dude love yoa
Honestly I'd love for you to try and actually raid lead some guilds to boss kills they've never had before like you did towards the end, I don't really get a kick out of the undercover-thing, it seems to be too hard to make it work
Tbh, finding guilds that struggle and helping them out is so entertaining to watch. Would be great if you could somehow do this undercover but the reality is that it probably is nevet possible. More Adopt a mythic guild content!!!!!
ned thundercraig's mog for every dk. honest to god it's beautiful. every DK should be pandaren. with that look. you'll literally never not be able to tell where the DK is. serious note though i feel like what you're doing for the community is far more than what method has ever done in the past when they were dominant, far more than what blizzard could do in ten years. wow's retention problem could be solved if everyone up on the top of the food chain was more like you man.
I'm 3 years late, but I remember my average top1000 guild took some 30ish pulls to kill Hungering Destroyer. It's insane to see how good raid leading makes such a huge difference, that you can just pick up a random guild with people who had never killed the boss and get it down in a few pulls.
This was awesome man. I think the way going forward is definitely stay undercover in mythic and then help out when they're struggling or you're blown. The heroic undercovers were cool but it's definitely way more satisfying to see you lead a team to victory when they otherwise wouldn't have had a chance without your lead. Also probably more comfortable for you because I can tell you're worried about seeming douchey or stealing the raid leader's thunder by stepping in on heroic/normal.
I think there is space for a happy medium between full undercover and taking over raid leading like a lot of people are suggesting. I definitely love the undercover aspect and I think it is good to keep that. Maybe instead of getting rid of the undercover entirely, drop more hints/advice to the RL when there are some slight struggles. Only take over when you are fully exposed or when the group is in danger of falling apart. I think that would be a good compromise without getting rid of the whole idea of this series
This is the reason it takes time to kill... a lot of the time the leader is planning and learning them selves max enables them to just blast, so clutch
Castle Nathria is the first raid I can say I miss in quite some time. Just awesome fights imo especially Sire. 🌟 your vanity will cost you everything 🌟
actually enjoyed this one a bit more then the others ... also could be a great guide for raidleaders out there to see what they can watch for on bosses like calls etc ... =) still the name change thing is weird and blizzard should definitly look into it ..
I thought of a better tactic, that worked for us on hungering, and we were able to pull it off quite nicely after that. Give the people with miasma the task of leeching, so that you dont have to call out the leeching at all, while people without miasma are just standing on the markers. Miasmas have the responsibility to take care of their HP and not overleech, everybody else will then just be free to dps/heal. When resetting the stacks during consume, people only move into their markers once they drop their stacks.
The name change doesn't take effect for other people until they log out and back in. So the best way to go incognito would be to either transfer a character to another account (so they can't see your io) or to do the name change almost a full 24 hours ahead of time.
Any plans to do a SLG guide? Your guides for the previous bosses have helped my guild so much, hoping to see one soon since we just got to it this week!
if you agree that he most do more leading like random raids spam it . its not just fun but its help ppl tho helps alot . i even with my any geared charecter like to do it with you and help man
This is what the people need to see. You don't need a Disci Priest to kill Hungering Destroyer. A Disci priest ( just for the sake of a disc ) is not going to propell you forward 8 Mythic Bosses. A good raidlead does. Not a class. And remember that 80% of the disc priests are superb bad ( and that's okay ) but it doesn't justify them rolling Disc just because those guilds told them to.
@@benny489 yea, sure it Helps and I know there was one. But does that justify all the guilds looking for a disc priest just for the sake of one even if they are bad? No. A guild raidlead is 1000000 more worth than getting a disc priest is what im trying to say
To be fair the disc priest in that raid was amazing. He was the one who life gripped the shammy when he didn't go to his mark towards the end of the kill, and just in general he played out of his mind the entire time.
In case Limit Maximum sees this, when I named changed my mage, my guildies still saw my old name for several hours, but in the guild roster it only showed my new name. It took a full alt raid run for it to change the name.
Back in WotLK, i name changed from my alt Warrior from Casualqt to Imacasual and the game got bugged out and on my char info it show "Backupdata" but everyone else saw me as Imacasual. Nice game
It's crazy to see the HP pool bullshit this expansion. 41k hp and that's at mythic level S1. Now it's DPS with like 110k hp mythic level, nevermind the PVP HP pools. Jesus this expansion can't end sooner.
Its actually quite incredible the importance of being a good leader. It's ace the way limit Max not only praises people, but the way he asks people to do tasks "help diamond, please help diamond, please" in a calm way, then finish off with "good". "this is perfect". Constant narration before whats going to happen and what theyre going to do. Then describe what they need to as its happening. Phenomenol display of good leadership, calm temperament and knowledge of the encounter. It's actually changed the way I approach raid leading to try be calmer, narrate a little more often and try to give good remarks when people do well - already seeing improvements. Awesome guy, love the content.
Watching him flip the switch from kidding around undercover to becoming a serious, calm and collected raid leader was amazing
You should do a series like this where you raid lead with 1 random actual mythic guild for 1 full raid every week to help them where they know ahead of time it’s you (not undercover). As an experiment to see like how well good raid leading in mythic can carry. like how it was on Hungering in this video. And release like a montage video of that raid once per week. I’m sure there are a lot of guilds in the 3/10M-7/10M range that would totally be down for that to collaborate with you. Could do like a different guild every week type of thing.
actual fucking 5head idea
I support this
My guild is down for this 10000%
we would love this! we are stuck on council at 6/10M :(
Hell, I’ll volunteer my guilds 4/10 mythic working on Lady or Xymox mythic, 😉
The best part of this video is when you help them raid lead. I think that is so cool!
Update on Waffle House Brawlers, one week later:
I’ve been raiding with Waffle House as Brewmaster for the past two(ish) weeks (DK raid lead went to UH). We’ve downed Huntsman twice, and are getting good pulls in on Hungering. Haven’t been able to down it again, but are getting closer each night. I’ve done about 25 pulls with them, should be able to get it next week.
Cool to see this video, just thought I’d give a “Where are they now” update. Fun guys, and I’ve enjoyed raiding with them.
I need an update in dragonflight
its like a master class in raid leading, incredible how you stay so calm and collected and just stream calls
I found this really inspiring! Seeing how you communicate whilst raid leading, the effort that you put into praising people. The way you encourage people to work together and help each other can really be heard. Thank you for these videos! It's no surprise why you are worlds first.
This really does show the power of what a proper raid lead can do with a guild. Awesome vid and looking forward to more!
Totally agree
Yeah this is seriously impressive. The callouts are so crisp.
I like how this went, so much more enjoyable watching you step in to help out.
This format is way cooler than just pick a name and roasting ppl for bad decisions, imho.
Very much agree. This is far better content than attempting to be "undercover", which inevitably gets exposed and ruined. A World First raid leader helping struggling teams improve and kill bosses is so much more interesting to watch.
yeah ngl, the other videos had always casually bullying in them. stop that childish BS, you represent something, or is your whole orga trashtalking like that ? inb4 is jus a joke. ye buddy sure
LOVE IT !!!!!!!
nah the shittalk is funny and people dont take it to heart, fell asleep watching this one
@@kartongh77 you need to relax a lot
I loved this. I know it’s just a game but it’s kind of inspiring. The teamwork, leadership etc.
Limit Max... reinforcing the community. One guild at a time.
This is great. A perfect example of how a person who knows exactly what the hell is going on and what needs to be done can help a group of people succeed. So cool.
Just wanted to say whoever has been doing the editing for your videos has been doing a fantastic job. Everything's been super clean and concise, and the bits they've added in have been hilarious. 👍
LMAO that hungering montage was epic
Even though cover was blown early, this feels like the best one yet.
The grips to save Naniel were godly
Best vid yet. The undercover stuff is fun and all, but it is when you activly raidlead that these vids shine the most.
So cool to see what a well reas RL can do for his/her guild.
It inspires all the thousands of RL out there to be better. It did for me atleast
the last 10 minutes of this deserves its own vid
What a fantastic thing that you're doing with this Max. Great content and its helping lots of guilds with their prog. Awesome shit mate !!
Love the content, Max! You are the best! We have been struggling on Hungering for a couple weeks, and studying your raid leading, calls, and placements got us through it tonight. After weeks of 50% wipes, we started off with 15%, had a couple 2% wipes and finally got him on the last pull. Keep it coming!
I honestly really respect you for still helping them out even tho your cover got blown and still being respectfull after a full whipes on huntsman and hungering,im 3/10 so i know what its like to whipe on hungering myself,goodjob dude
That was so nice of you doing that. It just goes to show how valuable expert raid leading is.
This has been my favorite undercover raid lead yet, by far.
Dude this was such a good watch, love the format!
Ghou... Ghou... Ghoul.... slayer
I could see the cogs turning dude xD
My guild took a total of about 60 pulls to kill hungering - more than shriek, huntsman and inerva combined!
great video, editing & format here, seeing you help guilds kill bosses really shows off the affects good raid leading has
edge of my seat! fk undercover, these lil flowers bloomed with an experienced RL! GGs
Almost software engineer here:
The reason his name change didn't apply instantly goes a LONG way explaining how Blizzard servers work.
My theory is that their servers are AP (they prioritize availability and partition - fault tolerance).
See, there's this theorem called the CAP Theorem that states that you can't be consistent, available 24/7 and partitioned at the same time. Which makes sense, if you think about it. If you have separated nodes that replicate the data, you're protected from completely losing all your data in case one of the nodes stops working. But that also means you have to be updating all the nodes all the time. Here you're faced with a choice:
Option A: you temporarely "shut down" until every data node has the last version of the data
Option B: you accept the fact that you might be responding "old" data but you always answer
In Max's case, Blizzard is showing him the new name Ghoulgranny (new data) but the character still has the old name Thundercraig in other nodes 18:42, so the people in his raid still see him with the old name (old data).
Something similar happens with server transfers, if you've ever noticed. Very interesting shit.
P.S.: I love this series
Amazing series.... I think next to preach you'll be my favorite WoW content maker. I am bingeing all of your stuff. Please don't stop making videos!!
this was surprisingly wholesome. Awesome, man. Honestly, better content than watching people struggle anonymously.
Thanks for helping us out! Big appreciate 😁
You have to log in to a different character when you "log out" to actually log the character out for a new session.
gj man ggz do it more often its soo fun to see you raid leading random ppl . acuatly its more fun then that undercover thing its like soo cool to watch i dont know why really
best of luck dude love yoa
Can’t wait for these series to return. I literally only pvp but these vids are so fun.
Honestly I'd love for you to try and actually raid lead some guilds to boss kills they've never had before like you did towards the end, I don't really get a kick out of the undercover-thing, it seems to be too hard to make it work
Hé already does this
Had to come as soon as I seen the notice.
So nice to see another one of these out yay!
Tbh, finding guilds that struggle and helping them out is so entertaining to watch.
Would be great if you could somehow do this undercover but the reality is that it probably is nevet possible.
More Adopt a mythic guild content!!!!!
You're Thundercraig even in the log of the kill :')
Big fan of this video Max, good editing and keeping a perfect balance of fun/entertaining and like actually wholesome gameplay.
these videos show the magnitude and importance of good raid leading. well done
ned thundercraig's mog for every dk. honest to god it's beautiful. every DK should be pandaren. with that look.
you'll literally never not be able to tell where the DK is.
serious note though i feel like what you're doing for the community is far more than what method has ever done in the past when they were dominant, far more than what blizzard could do in ten years. wow's retention problem could be solved if everyone up on the top of the food chain was more like you man.
fun and engaging content to watch, thank you for making this video and I hope to see more undercover raidleading in the future
A good vs okay raid leader is like a night and day difference. Great vid
easily my favourite series you make. keep em coming
I'm 3 years late, but I remember my average top1000 guild took some 30ish pulls to kill Hungering Destroyer. It's insane to see how good raid leading makes such a huge difference, that you can just pick up a random guild with people who had never killed the boss and get it down in a few pulls.
This was awesome man. I think the way going forward is definitely stay undercover in mythic and then help out when they're struggling or you're blown. The heroic undercovers were cool but it's definitely way more satisfying to see you lead a team to victory when they otherwise wouldn't have had a chance without your lead. Also probably more comfortable for you because I can tell you're worried about seeming douchey or stealing the raid leader's thunder by stepping in on heroic/normal.
i love these undercover vids. Once i watched one im looking forward to the next.
I think there is space for a happy medium between full undercover and taking over raid leading like a lot of people are suggesting. I definitely love the undercover aspect and I think it is good to keep that. Maybe instead of getting rid of the undercover entirely, drop more hints/advice to the RL when there are some slight struggles. Only take over when you are fully exposed or when the group is in danger of falling apart.
I think that would be a good compromise without getting rid of the whole idea of this series
My favorite part of the video. "Yeah man sounds good, I mean I like watched your video sooo..." lol
This is the reason it takes time to kill... a lot of the time the leader is planning and learning them selves max enables them to just blast, so clutch
Castle Nathria is the first raid I can say I miss in quite some time. Just awesome fights imo especially Sire.
🌟 your vanity will cost you everything 🌟
I liked the 28 days later music during hungering 👌🏻 very hectic vibe with it
I want to sleep the way your dogs sleep and in the background.
actually enjoyed this one a bit more then the others ... also could be a great guide for raidleaders out there to see what they can watch for on bosses like calls etc ... =) still the name change thing is weird and blizzard should definitly look into it ..
Nice content, hope to see more of those in the future !
Moving to markers in phase one for sin seekers is a common thing for some.
They want every phase to be close to all others as possible..
"Hasn't updated yet " Omg I lol'd so much
Such great content mate, love it.
I thought of a better tactic, that worked for us on hungering, and we were able to pull it off quite nicely after that. Give the people with miasma the task of leeching, so that you dont have to call out the leeching at all, while people without miasma are just standing on the markers. Miasmas have the responsibility to take care of their HP and not overleech, everybody else will then just be free to dps/heal.
When resetting the stacks during consume, people only move into their markers once they drop their stacks.
The name change doesn't take effect for other people until they log out and back in.
So the best way to go incognito would be to either transfer a character to another account (so they can't see your io) or to do the name change almost a full 24 hours ahead of time.
I love this content so, so much! Well done!
Max: Move the boss, move the boss, move the boss
Tank doesnt move the boss
Max: Good
I read this as it happened lol
I saw chat suggesting "deadshade" and that, unironicly, was my first DKs name....
most troll AMZ i've ever seen @5:15
The importance of a solid RL. Impressive to watch.
Thundercraig lives forever
Hungering took us like 60 pulls. 8 pulls is insane, really good raid leading.
Any plans to do a SLG guide? Your guides for the previous bosses have helped my guild so much, hoping to see one soon since we just got to it this week!
Love this series wish it would come back
i love this series, keep it up
Awesome raid leading. Keep up good work!
Amazing. Love this series
I don't even raid either...
This is really cool Max!
I love content creator Max! Please keep making videos!
Maximus limitus told us to watch this. APE follow command
2:40 Yes, you sounded almost exactly like Deckard Cain lmao
Ohhh, undercover video, I'm a day late, what. Damn TH-cam, let's watch, no sleep yet it seems. :D
Unholy dk lore name: Ghoulash
This was fucking epic! Your best video imo.
Great vid! What was the first song playing during the final pull of Hungering?
Do you want to come undercover RL out Sire progress? You can sound like Deckard Cain the whole progression
if you agree that he most do more leading like random raids spam it . its not just fun but its help ppl tho helps alot . i even with my any geared charecter like to do it with you and help man
Do I hear the Surviving Mars soundtrack? :O
i love this series so much
This is what the people need to see. You don't need a Disci Priest to kill Hungering Destroyer. A Disci priest ( just for the sake of a disc ) is not going to propell you forward 8 Mythic Bosses. A good raidlead does. Not a class. And remember that 80% of the disc priests are superb bad ( and that's okay ) but it doesn't justify them rolling Disc just because those guilds told them to.
Hey Bro there is a Disc priest in the raid. Spirit shell is also mentioned By Max and it helps a Ton
@@benny489 yea, sure it Helps and I know there was one. But does that justify all the guilds looking for a disc priest just for the sake of one even if they are bad? No. A guild raidlead is 1000000 more worth than getting a disc priest is what im trying to say
To be fair the disc priest in that raid was amazing. He was the one who life gripped the shammy when he didn't go to his mark towards the end of the kill, and just in general he played out of his mind the entire time.
u dont need disc for Hungering, but if u have him, the fight is like 10 times easier
What is the weekaura for consumables?
Stay a while and listen - Deckard Kane
is there a video about your UI ? I want to see what you are using besides regular ElvUI . . .
In case Limit Maximum sees this, when I named changed my mage, my guildies still saw my old name for several hours, but in the guild roster it only showed my new name. It took a full alt raid run for it to change the name.
Back in WotLK, i name changed from my alt Warrior from Casualqt to Imacasual and the game got bugged out and on my char info it show "Backupdata" but everyone else saw me as Imacasual. Nice game
max raid led a pug through hungering...
Nice :)
Max should just do one of these but only record it, not stream it just for an experiment.
I would enjoy this more if the dog camera was somewhere other than the middle of the screen on top.
Ghouldan is a fucking great name.
Anyone got a list of the adons he uses. I've used my old ui for ever snd wanna change it up
If they were logged in while you changed name, they still see your previous database name.. They'll have to relog for it to show for them.
I'm pretty sure that this was the last "undercovdr raiding" or even helping to raid lead Mythic Guilds video.
Why?
It's crazy to see the HP pool bullshit this expansion. 41k hp and that's at mythic level S1. Now it's DPS with like 110k hp mythic level, nevermind the PVP HP pools. Jesus this expansion can't end sooner.
Good Job Max :D Very Wholesome