Local vs. Online Bike Shops
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ธ.ค. 2020
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When it comes to buying a bike, online shops win hands down on paper: they have a wider selection, they usually have better prices, and you can buy everything from the comfort of your own home without putting your grandma in the hospital. But there's some things that online shops will never be able to do compared to local bike shops. Here's local vs. online bike shops so you can decide where to best spend your hard earned money.
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That whole "Lady of the night vs. a loving Spouse" talk really lets me know Zach sure enjoyed his time in Singapore....
A vendor that sends you the wrong item shouldn't be charging a restocking fee. 😨
Sounds like a scam to squeeze extra cash out of customers how difficult is it to put stock back on a shelf???
I’ve had LBS that have lied about straight up breaking my carbon steerer and I’ve had LBS that have hooked it up with free work that would’ve been easier to just do than to wait or call me so they just took care of it for free. Everyone’s mileage varies. I recommend knowing how to do 90% of the jobs that have to be done in a pinch and relying on shops for that final 10%. Also helps to build a small network of cyclists around you for some team brainstorming and more area of coverage. During lockdown I quickly became the headset installer, bottom bracket rebuilder, bearing fixer, steered tube cutter as well as a litany of other jobs. Simply because I said “fuck it I’ll do it myself.”
My lbs is 50 miles away and they refused to regrease my bloody rear hub and kinda ruined it.
Zach, the moment you said that local bike shops are operated by "people who love cycling, people that want to make your day better", I just immediately decided to write this comment. That is not the case for the 2 local bike shops near me. They are so unapproachable and self-centered especially if they know that you only ride an entry-level fixed gear. These people won't even bother to entertain you. I may sound bitter, well I am. Dunno why this kind of "bike shop elitists" are prominent here in the Philippines.
For some reason that reminds of something that rhymes with celt cyclery lmaoo
Brazilian here and i completely understand you because our bike shops are exactly that way. I had a cheap entry level MTB once and everytime i had to take it to the bike shops they never take care of it properly. Years later a bought a better bike and the treatment changed by miles.... Unfortunately in third world countries cycling it's a extremely elitist sport. In fact here in Brazil some groups doesn't even let you ride with them depending on how expensive your bike is. Still ride a 26 inch bike? Forget about group rides...
@@cygnusx1858 awwwww, but they create entry-level fixed gear bikes right?
@@kimedisonclemente1935 you know in india if you asked a local people or even a bike shop that do you have fixed gear bike their reaction will be like what kind of creature is that
Had a bike shop like that here in PH too. If you didnt buy the bike from them, or you aint riding anything more expensive than 5k pesos, they wont even talk to you, Glad I found a good bike shop somewhere else that are actually approachable, and even host group rides.
There's a few LBS's out there that are overpriced snobs. Also quite a few shops that are truly excellent. Shout out to Good Weather bike shop and 20/20 Cycles, both in Seattle.
An older worker from my local bike shop appreciated me trying to resurrect an older road bike, and granted me permission to the scrap heap. However, the rest of the workers think of me a nuisance diving through the dump instead of busting bank for pricey new components. I get it though, they have to eat at the end of the day.
Great video Zach. I work at a local business that provides the same level of service the shops you spoke of do. Covid is really hurting so many local shops, they need your business if you want them to be around when you need them. Support local businesses!
great video! just the motivation I needed to get out of the house and go ride today. ✌🏼
I hope you do. Get the fuck out of the house and have fun:)
(I started 2,5 months ago and cycle roughly 10 miles/d. It’s fun, addiction and the two wheels also empower the two balls.)
My LBS is one of my favorite places in my neighborhood (helps that my buddy owns it and another in a separate part of town), and I worked at an incredible LBS this past summer - only time I shop online is if neither of those places can order what I'm looking for (which is rare)
This is the best video I've seen discussing this topic. Thanks Zach!
My problem is all my local bike shops do not carry fixed gear stuff. So even when I’m there. I have to look on line and have them order it. Like I ordered a seat post through one of them. Had to wait two weeks for the first one, wrong one came in. Then had to wait another two weeks to get the right one. But. They’re great guys.
I would just say, finding a frame small enough for me was a challenge, but I’m glad that a shop in Oakland had one that’s perfect for me, and now I couldn’t be more grateful and excited that I was able to get a frame and parts locally
I've gotten the vast majority of my bike stuff through "mail order" (remember that?) for many, many years for several reasons.
#1. I'm 6'5", so local shops NEVER have anything in my size
#2. I'm pretty particular about what I spend my money on, so I really like the variety of choices available on-line...I don't like to settle for what the LBS has in stock
#3. I don't like dealing with the "bros" at the shop...many of whom haven't been involved in cycling for as many years as I've had my NEWEST bike!
#4. I really like working on my own bikes, educating myself on the pros and cons of various components, and figuring out repairs. I haven't felt the need to take my bike to a shop in a loooong time.
#5. And finally...I'm a cheapskate and I really like the lower prices available on-line.
But, I definitely wouldn't fault anyone for preferring the personal benefits of a LBS.
I live in London. Almost all small bike shops have closed down over the decade's only leaving corporate owned retail shops. After learning then rebuilding 4 classic bikes summer 2020 I decided to buy 29er Barracuda Draco 4 for less than what it cost to retrofit my 30year old MTB with similar parts. Bike was perfect out of the box only needing grease on seat post during assembly
Thanks for shouting out the local bike shop scene. While there is absolutely no doubt that many local bike shops are no good, and cause many headaches for many people, there are some fucking excellent spaces out there that are an extremely relevant service. Thanks for the good word!
You've had much better luck, than I have Zach. I guess if my experiences were not polar opposites of yours, I'd be repping for B&Ms also.
I visited Velo Trap while in sac today and they were very friendly and had tons of cool parts. Definitely worth a visit for anyone in the area.
I like these kind of videos of you riding around
You had fine service because John at Velotrap is the best. Sac is so lucky to have Velotrap. I love visiting that shop when I visit home. Nice shots riding up 19th street and down N St next to Capital Park.
One day there will be no bricks and mortar shops left. You'll get a flat and there will be no place to buy a frickin tube. It's worth every penny to support my local bike shop.
That u-turn with the 360 camera was an amazing shot
Thanks for your video! I notice you have a set of splash guards on your bike. I live in a tropical weather and always are rainy days. Where can I find a good set of splash guards like yours? Thanks again a keep riding!
I'm a beyond fifty years of riding, cyclist, and it's only important to shop local, if you want to have neighbors, and a community. I don't have a local bike shop, but two an hour's ride either way. This covid scam will destroy our towns, cities, and communities, if we don't remember. I've been building and riding bikes since a boy, am waiting on a "fixed gear", got kind of drawn in by this and well, you know. I've not ridden a fixed gear since the 70's, but, just have to do it, and I can remember the small circle that did so back then. I've enjoyed going around the world too, and found bikes, wood work, and machines a connection in any country, any city. Life is much better when you've seen how much of the world lives, makes you consider your own ways, often. I've really come to enjoy this, something I've not felt in decades. Thanks for the pleasure of revisiting "old friends".
Love going to my local bike shop,we have two where I love.
One is no help at all. They only try to sell exercise equipment,? Soon as you walk in the door.
Or selling you a e-bike,or a 10,000$ trike with tons of stuff on it. It is more motorcycle then bike? Crazy,but other bike shop is cool 😎. It's named the bike rack,in Muskegon Michigan. Awesome shop,seen them help a kid patch his tire with no charge at all.
Wise words that I totally agree with .. thanks for your opinion
Wait! A wheel on a Wabi went out of true?!
It’s hard to imagine, based upon the content here. Wabis are magic. They must be.
(As an aside... I am now doing my own builds. But I will NEVER true wheels. I do not wish to die.)
That's... Awfully dramatic.
Trying wheels is literally turning two nipples to pull the wheel in one direction. Sure the first few hours can be hard, but after that it all sort of makes sense.
@@Ming3r You may well be right. But I am NOT a mechanic and believe some thing should be left to professionals.
Maybe I’ll try it. But it will be a while.
@Bebo Thank you for your input.
the only problem I have with local bike shops in my country is that they usually cater to one type of bike. I have good chances to shops whos specialty with road bikes. but have to travel almost 2hrs to get fixed gear specific parts
I love that they’re playing Hiatus Kaiyote in the bike shop
I own a small bike shop in Lisbon. Nice episode!! :-)
People prob don't need it, but I got the lifeline trying stand (park clone) for 80 bucks from crc earlier in the year. It's solid
Sacramento! Saw you ride by holy diver. Right on.
Nice tour of Sactown.
Can u please make a video on how to adjust brakes and do maintenance on them. I really need it
l ve done both and BOTH have been great so far !! We only have two LBS and l like em both with great experiences but one has more take off parts for me to save money on !! l love recycling bike parts!
Great video. Good looking out for your friend.
Golden Saddlery and DTLA bikes in L.A. are my go too's, great guys good hookups.
GSC is lit
DTLA Bikes is ripped off and bad service.
My local bike shop can't spend too much time tweaking a wheel to perfection. Time is money, ya know.
In the past, they got them good, then I tweaked to perfect. Now, I true wheels myself.
But, I do love my LBS...parts and education is great. They taught me alot.
BTW...80th "Like". WooHoo.
Where can I find an “every day is leg day” shirt?
Some things u gotta go in for like cleat seize and being measured by a pro to know your frame seize is valid stuff the selection is less but the quality of perfect fit is hard to beat
I like my local bike shop. One of the best places to hang out too. If you're ever in Malaysia, lookup Asticycles.
I go there for tools from time to time when I don't want to wait for shipping
This is facts
Is that a Wabi frame at the 2:59 mark? That's dope!!!
The online bike shop gives everyone the opportunity to avoid all the jerk off elitist that work in bike shops. I literally became a bike mechanic just so I would never have to go into another Bike Shop full of clicky Bros
Funny that I have similar conclusions about bike shop workers, I will say though that there are exceptions
Agreed. The one positive about being driven away from all my LBS's by the douchebag employee's was that it forced me to learn how to service everything myself.
I’ve definitely ran into those kinds of people at bike shops which is why I tend to avoid them. But my friend (who got an old bike from a friend for free) went into a local shop and told the guy straight up “I don’t know shit about bikes. Help me out here” and he was apparently actually super helpful.
Hey Zach I'm from the Philippines and any advice on using old steel frames for fixed gear?
What you think of tribe bikes, they got triple butted frame and cafe and bone shaker, double butted 6061 frame so it's low quality aluminum with high quality components
Hey Zach! Have you ever looked at products labeled as "tube protectors/tire liners?" Makes me wonder if you could run one of those and get cheaper rear tires while still having flat protection? I used to have those back in the day on my road bike, but they were a pain to install and I was short tempered one day while replacing tires, so I didn't re-install them... Anyways, I'm interested in your thoughts
The new camera angle is so cool 4:17
your worn mks straps, were they the laminated or non laminated version?
Would any of you recommend getting a bike fit before purchasing my first bike as an adult? I hear they are really useful for avoiding sizing issues later on. But it’s kinda expensive. Is it worth it if I’m new to biking?
What was the defect on the State bicycle bike, I was thinking of getting one..... maybe not now
when your LBS gives you the worst bike buying experience. i just go to LBS for labor these days, i can order exactly what i want and have it shipped faster.
Does a hub change the noise of a carbon wheel when it’s spinning ?
I respect the hiatus kayote playing at the bike shop
Finally a vlog!!!!!!!!! 😫😫😫😫 yessss so much more fun it really changes up everything. No more sitting down to talk more riding vids like this plzzzzzzzz
What camera do you use for filming?
Wish my local store was more like that.
Can i asked something about the low flange hub and high flange hubs what's the best for you high flange or low flange hubs?
Are you gonna keep the yellow Wabi when you get the purple one?
Protect Velo Trap at all costs...
yo i wanna build a fixed gear but is it possible to use a tt frame for a fixed gear bike?
Ultimately it depends on the shop. I live in an area in northern VA where there's tons of LBS, and ive done business with most of them, but theres only one i would call "good" by my standards. Alot of people at LBS are condescending assholes.
Especially when they think they are a know it all but end up damaging the parts you asked to remove/repair
you have a brother named Jeremy?
@@rafaeldelfino4549 yep I actually had a selle saddle come back with a nice big tear in it after a maintenance trip to my LBS. They refused to reimburse me.
@@viperocco sure dont
Right on
i do my own service, i only need parts and some instruction. my lbs is great for both...usually. but some parts i have to buy online.
my lbs..... tern of the wheel bradley, illinois. great place.
I like my LBS and use them as much as I can. But most times, when you know what you're looking for, there is just no way they can compete with the online buying experience. Most of those companies really have it together now. I can't justify spending an extra 20$ for a tire, or waiting longer for them to order something(and going back there to get it), just out of loyalty.
Yeah, my LBS doesn't exactly have great equipment on stock; outside of tools it's pretty poor.
hey Zach, what are your thoughts on the unknown singularity?
if you are in america DO NOT order ANYTHING FROM UNKNOWN they took my money for the unknown singularity and never sent a confirmation email or tracking address, I had to contact my bank to get back my money try somewhere else just not from unknown.
I want one of those invisible selfie sticks for the holidays.
HOW DOES IT WORK!!! IM SO CONFUSED
What camera are you using
My local bike shop saved a tire change on my bike with a stubborn tire + a stubborn tire. ✌
Yo zach what size is your dropbar?
How are you recording yourself riding on your bike as if your holding a selfie stick when there's no selfie stick in your hand that?
we need a teleportation tutorial
Good stuff. I took advantage of the "free to subscribe" offer lol
What type of drone are you using?
Does riding bikes make heads get bigger? Or is it the hats that get smaller?
Nice ride , look up " Guitar Man Merle Travis ."
I favor Good Local Bike shops as often as possible. Truly good Local Bike Shops (those with good Mechanics) are rare as hen's teeth. Back in the early 70's I used to have to go to Berkeley from Sacramento just to go to a good shop. Still you need to toughen up Zach (yes I'm as old as your father) and true the wheel. Do the tension by sound. I've been building my own wheels for more than 4 decades and my wheels do not pretzel, unlike the pro builders. Thanks for naming your local shop. I'll have to visit him For road bikes, I favor Bike Business and for Mountain I favor River Rat.
Wished there were LBS that has fixed gears here
Not such good luck with the B&Ms here in Florida, or previously in NYC. For some reason, it's just business as usual with these douche bags. I do my own repairs, I know exactly what I'm looking for, and I do my own upgrades (which is rare), so no need to deal with the primadonna bike snobs who think they have me out witted, or out enjoying life.
As a professional worker in IT maintenance, I also do some work that is not supposed to be done in a preventive way.
It just costs me time and no money BUT you can be sure those customers come back when they get a problem.
In your case, I guess being a youtuber (which I am not) makes things a tad different…
Now that your wheels are trued, it's just a Wabi cycle, not wobbly cycle anymore.
Hey, Zach any recommendations on companies that make good team jerseys?
GodNFamous is a good.
🤔 what would be the best or decent online bike shop?
FYI he doesn’t even get to the bike shop till 9:14 into the video.
I cant even find a decent track bike to buy online OR a store
What gear ratio are you running ?
13:17 Zach calling himself out dang
The streets of Boston are still shite, so I have to watch YT vids instead. We have interesting bike shop options here, community based nonprofit/educational shops, regional bike shop chain, expensive/pretentious tiny shops and trusted hole-in-the-wall shops. I bounce between three of those options avoiding the expensive/pretentious. Current bikes my wife and I ride were purchased from a company that made all-in-one ebike wheels (battery/motor in one wheel) and now is trying to bust into the scooter-share market. The company sold off all bike inventory (basic single speed bikes meant to be sold with e-wheels). Crazy low price. Found out at one of the expensive/pretentious shops (visited when first opened) that they were offered to purchase those bikes in bulk. When shop guy realized that the bike was ordered online his attitude changed and all answers to questions were done over his shoulder as if he couldn't be bothered. I've worked in shops and this attitude tracks with half the people I ever worked alongside. Made a purchase at that "new" shop (pedals and tubes) and never returned. Proverbial flip of a coin nowadays when in need of service. Wait times at shops have been as long as a month, but as fall yields to winter wait times have shortened. However parts shortages can keep a bike at a shop until they receive orders from distributors. During lockdown I've needed no service I couldn't do myself and split purchases down the middle between online and LBS.
I buy my bikes and stuff from Decathlon,and find the stuff is decent for the price,and sometimes from online.So many local bike shops stock bikes and equipment at frightning prices now.I mean £11,000 for a bike?The shop in question did have bikes for less than that price mind but I feel ordinary cyclists arent being best served now.I want to shop local but they only cater to rich buyers now,not interested in coffees bars in bike shops either......which seems to be the way things are going!
I have 4 LBS in my area and they are all 4 utter garbage. Never helpful, always refusing to do this job or that job on my bikes because some excuse, policy or whatever. And the few times I got them to do something the result was always worse than doing it myself. Perhaps I have been extremely unlucky with bikeshops but that's my experience.
Also, they sometimes only sell this or that brand not because it's a particularly good one but more because they have more or less margin or some exclusive deal with the brand.
1:31 which rack is that?
my LBS stripped my crank arm bolt while assembling my new bike
After 60 seconds of wtf!? I figured out that Zach is holding an invisible selfie stick...
Thank you for your time...
I want to convert my racing bike into a single speed (look at the video, I uploaded it). Is that a lot of effort and what about the costs?
So you have vertical dropouts, so you probably won’t be able to convert it to a fixed gear without getting the chain line/length absolutely perfect. However, a single speed is completely doable, you just need a chain tensioner. Check out r/singlespeed on reddit, people have some really clean examples on there. As far as costs, you’ll need a new chain, rear cog, chainring, possibly a new crank but you might be able to get away with the old one, and depending on your current handlebar/brake setup you might need new brake levers. Good luck!
@@markosverdhi I'll check, Thanks
Where can I shop for fixed gear components ?
Retrogression.com is the biggest one. Also citygrounds has good shit
Lady of the night...you seriously went there?
🤣
Wow
Was going through the clearance shoes looking to get some normal non-boa shoes with just Velcro straps.. The had neon pink but not in my size. I was willing to “go there” for shock value. I have zero pink attire currently but they were appealing to me. I blame the Rapha team for making pink look so good. Could only dream of such a cool shop here in Kansas City.
Clipless to flat interesting
weird, yo can't see the selfie stick in the video
Is that a drone?? And if not, where is the pole??
Some "action cams" have the ability to just sort of ignore the selfie-stick he's using. You can kind of see the end of it inside of his grip.
@@ME-hm7zm Ik I see how he’s holding it and see the pole in the shadows but how. Where is the pole why can’t I see it
@@benwilliams9051 The camera software digitally erases it. It's physically there, but the camera knows to edit it out automatically. Kind of like how your brain "edits out" your nose.
@@ME-hm7zm hmmm. How does it fill the space. And it doesn’t edit it out, u can see ur nose if u look down it’s more like if you close one eye u can’t see that one eye is black but if u close both they are both black. I don’t see how it can fill the space that smoothly, it’s amazing how technology has advanced
Yeah you might get your package stolen from ordering online but you can always get your money back and try another way to get your package but right now I just ordered a bike gloves I paid $18 for them I went to The bike shop they charged me like $30 so I took the chance and all them online and I got them so now I'm waiting for a bike crank kit and if I package you stole that I would get my money back and I can try somebody else to my package